3 hours ago, marty15 said:

Still shocking to see things being built on Scranton. I love it.

In both camps of “never imagined I’d see the day” and “can’t we do better than the ubiquitous four story wood frame over ground level parking” but at the end of the day, I’m good with it.

 

I may not live long enough to see the next phase but for the longest time, this area was never on the radar for any kind of residential development.

I'm with you I'm not a fan of the nondescript 4 story no ground retail buildings but I'm ok with this one. I think it's hard to ask for something perfect as the first real movers into an area that, as you said, wasn't even on the radar for all of recent history almost. I'm hoping once these are built and (hopefully) fill up quickly we'll see much more unique development once the area becomes more inviting to further development.

i just noticed houston is doing something kind of similar to scranton developments with the east river project.

 

— not to be vs, but ok lol, theirs seems more uniformly planned out and less of a unique setting, yet still interesting:

 

https://www.eastriverhtx.com/

 

From the Goodtime III this past weekend. 

 

I didn't realize there was anything more than 8-10 feet in elevation change.    There's a legit slope down to the seawall.

 

Is that bulkhead going to be replaced?

9 hours ago, BuckeyePlanner said:

Is that bulkhead going to be replaced?

 

I believe a boardwalk is planned along there. And while that concrete bulkhead doesn't look pretty, it's still pretty solid. It was designed to support an an iron ore yard with hundreds of thousands of tons of stored ore for the Republic/Upson steel mill that was on the other side of Carter Road. Removing that bulkhead might be destabilizing to the Silverhills development. I suspect the Thunderbird partnership (who owns the skinny strip of land along the riverfront) will find a way to pretty it up and maybe reinforce some of cracked portions as part of the boardwalk. 

After seeing @MayDay pics, I was excited and surprised to see the progress NRP group is making on their project, so I went back to some renderings to get a refreshed look on the project. I see good things and some bad things. The good is the actual development, I can't complain  much about that. The courtyard between the two buildings is really nice and the townhomes are fine. As far as the two main structures, does anybody else just look at them and think "suburbs, meh, oh well I'll take it"?

 

Is there any retail or restaurant development planned for this area? I know Great Lakes is moving in and Brew Dog exists but is that it? 

 

8 minutes ago, Henke said:

Is there any retail or restaurant development planned for this area? I know Great Lakes is moving in and Brew Dog exists but is that it? 

 

From what I remember when this was getting finalized, my biggest gripe was the lack of retail. As far as I remember it is all residential. Hopefully after these developments are built it attracts more development and can support lots of ground floor retail to start making a walkable neighborhood.

2 hours ago, GREGinPARMA said:

The courtyard between the two buildings is really nice 

 

 

You spelled "parking lot" wrong.

 

One of the most frustrating things about Scranton Peninsula is that despite is central location, I am guessing it will essentially function as a car-dependent enclave. Best hope is that the short line railroad eventually gets acquired by the Metroparks and in like 30 years a better owner can retrofit the project with some rear-facing retail and additional units that face an awesome interior pedestrian/bike route. 

 

ADDENDUM: to anyone who follows the "point access block" discussions on line, this development is Exhibit A for how blech US midrise multifamily housing is.

Edited September 13, 20231 yr by StapHanger

11 minutes ago, StapHanger said:

 

You spelled "parking lot" wrong.

 

One of the most frustrating things about Scranton Peninsula is that despite is central location, I am guessing it will essentially function as a car-dependent enclave. Best hope is that the short line railroad eventually gets acquired by the Metroparks and in like 30 years a better owner can retrofit the project with some rear-facing retail and additional units that face an awesome interior pedestrian/bike route. 

 

ADDENDUM: to anyone who follows the "point access block" discussions on line, this development is Exhibit A for how blech US midrise multifamily housing is.

I don't think anybody has ever been that excited by the architecture of the NRP and Silver Hills (is that the right name) apartments on the Peninsula.  The NPR design is only marginally better than their first proposal which was strongly rejected (I think to NRP's great surprise) by Planning Commission.  I think we are all just glad (in true Cleveland fashion) that something is being built and that future development might shown more promise.

^Oh, for sure. Seeing the renderings just reminded me how frustrating it is that the only comprehensive planning was the fakey Thunderbird marketing brochure. Even with meh architecture, this could have been a super cool area in its own right, instead of suburban Dallas with (legitimately) amazing views and good proximity to other stuff. 

It would be great if, one day, once development along the full length of the river reaches a certain level of density, a regular water taxi service could run the full length of the river with multiple stops.  Not just to cross the river but to travel from upstream, like Scranton Pen, or even farther upstream, to the mouth of the river.  Say you lived on Scranton Pen. and worked on Public Square.  You could take a short ride along the river and be dropped off at a stop at Settlers Landing and then just walk up the hill instead of taking what could be a tortious bus ride through the city.  Or say you live on SP and had reservations at Alley Cat.  Maybe on the way to or from dinner you stop at Irishtown Bend Park and grab a latter taxi for your final destinations.  On Browns game day you are dropped very close to the stadium (if it is still there) and not have to worry about parking.

 

Hopefully, some bright young turk can could up with a business model some day to make this work.

6 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Hopefully, some bright young turk can could up with a business model some day to make this work.

 

Many some bright young Turk will.  The Turks run a great water-borne commuter service along the shores of the Bosporus.

2 hours ago, StapHanger said:

 

You spelled "parking lot" wrong.

I was referring to the first picture posted. Between the two main buildings. To me, those look steps, trees, benches, pedestrians and even a food truck. Not a parking lot.

2 hours ago, Htsguy said:

It would be great if, one day, once development along the full length of the river reaches a certain level of density, a regular water taxi service could run the full length of the river with multiple stops.  Not just to cross the river but to travel from upstream, like Scranton Pen, or even farther upstream, to the mouth of the river.  Say you lived on Scranton Pen. and worked on Public Square.  You could take a short ride along the river and be dropped off at a stop at Settlers Landing and then just walk up the hill instead of taking what could be a tortious bus ride through the city.  Or say you live on SP and had reservations at Alley Cat.  Maybe on the way to or from dinner you stop at Irishtown Bend Park and grab a latter taxi for your final destinations.  On Browns game day you are dropped very close to the stadium (if it is still there) and not have to worry about parking.

 

Hopefully, some bright young turk can could up with a business model some day to make this work.

100% but why stop at the mouth of the river? In theory you could also have stops at places like Edgewater, Wendy Park, North Coast Harbor, and Gordon Park. I'm not sure if all of those locations are feasible, as some are outside the breakwall, but even just the two inside the breakwall would add a lot of value. 

^ Metroparks have recently built docking at Settler’s Landing and Merwin’s Wharf. I’m really hoping they’ve done that with an eye on a more expansive river taxi service in the future. 

36 minutes ago, roman totale XVII said:

^ Metroparks have recently built docking at Settler’s Landing and Merwin’s Wharf. I’m really hoping they’ve done that with an eye on a more expansive river taxi service in the future. 

 

That's definitely what they have in mind.  The Metroparks' Lakefront master plan from 2019 included future water taxi stops at those sites, plus the Coast Guard Station at Wendy Park and Whiskey Island Marina.  I assume Irishtown Bend would get a stop too, and hopefully Scranton and Bedrock once they're built up.

 

1 hour ago, GREGinPARMA said:

I was referring to the first picture posted. Between the two main buildings. To me, those look steps, trees, benches, pedestrians and even a food truck. Not a parking lot.

 

Yep, that's what the rendering disingenuously implies. Maybe they will close it for events sometimes, but if you look at the site plans, it's a striped parking lot with special paving and a few trees. It's just silly eyewash to superficially address planning commission comments. 

 

From @KJP's February 2022 blog post (https://neo-trans.blog/2022/02/03/nrp-groups-renews-plans-for-scranton-peninsula/):

 Between the two apartment buildings is a parking lot that received some critiques from planning commission in 2020.

 

Also from KJP's post, which I had forgotten: 

 

Perhaps the most interesting addition is the provision of a 20-foot-long shipping container along the Carter Road frontage of a courtyard for Building B, the northernmost of two five-story apartment buildings. That container would provide a retail/food service space for residents or passersby on Carter’s future sidewalk.

Edited September 13, 20231 yr by StapHanger

@Ethanl've spent some time daydreaming about the same thing except l've added some island stops off the breakwall. Remember when we built a few islands using dredgings from the river? It's become really popular with the locals who use it for hiking, picnicking and sunbathing (weather permitting of course). Great views of the city too. You should check it out.

Really captures the scale of this project.

what a view, wow!

I got a great view of the site this morning from the redline. Also, most of Irishtown bend is cleared of vegetation. 

Closeups, Carter Rd was open Sunday.

Edited September 19, 20231 yr by urb-a-saurus

^ whats the metal part going to be?

17 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

^ whats the metal part going to be?

Looks like it's this part which seems to be a lobby with open glass walls and such.

From the other day as well

 

Great shot!!

Great shots, thanks for sharing. That site plan still makes my eye twitch every time I see it. 

Edited September 22, 20231 yr by Mendo

No drone, so gotta take an elevator or two 😉

 

Edited September 26, 20231 yr by Agreene2

Took me a second to understand that Inception shot.

Added that “space” to help out 😉

Is Great Lakes still building their brewery on the peninsula?  What's the status of that project?

On 9/19/2023 at 8:09 AM, freethink said:

SWH is looking good from this angle!

10 minutes ago, Dino said:

Is Great Lakes still building their brewery on the peninsula?  What's the status of that project?

Good question!

 

Driving down the road and caught myself thinking, “wow, what a great city view this is” followed by a quick “dumbass, take a pic and share it.”

 

😂😂😂

Do we know if any roadwork/upkeep on Carter Rd is going to take place outside the site limits for NRP and Silverhills? It sure could use it...

1 hour ago, Geowizical said:

Do we know if any roadwork/upkeep on Carter Rd is going to take place outside the site limits for NRP and Silverhills? It sure could use it...

 

Good question. Have you noticed that even development renderings have basically given up on making the streets look good? Like it's just a lost cause anymore lol. 

I would think if they want their properties to lease up fast, simple landscaping and maintenance would be key.

The properties themselves will certainly have landscaping and *some degree of* upkeep, I'm pretty sure it's a R/W issue since the developers can't buy up streets to develop per se. Improvements only go to the property line and the property line is the edge of the street basically. Guess I'm just asking about the likeliness that the city itself has plans to redo any of the roads around Scranton in conjunction with the developments...

Edited October 6, 20231 yr by Geowizical

The transformation here is pretty incredible. Here are some progress pics of NRP’s development, and the last pic shows site prep on the Silverhills site. Can’t wait to watch this new neighborhood continue to rise. And hopefully with hundreds of new homes here, a few more little retail spots/amenities will follow too (ex. bodega/corner store). So cool and crazy to see, let’s keep it going!

https://youtube.com/shorts/xyk519sNYa0?si=C5Vn2pmLCMsqA5mQ

 

Decent slow cruise by the new digs.. very impressed!

 

 

From the Gateway north parking garage.

 

Ohio City finance firm moving to the Flats
By Ken Prendergast / October 24, 2023

 

Another significant office tenant with naming rights to their building is on the move — and shrinking. This time, it’s Cleveland-based financial planning firm Skylight Financial Group which is a general agency of Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance Co. (MassMutual) in multiple Ohio cities. But unlike Ernst & Young (now EY) moving from one side of downtown Cleveland to the other, Skylight Financial will be leaving Ohio City’s Market District in 2024 for Scranton Peninsula in the Flats.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2023/10/24/ohio-city-finance-firm-moving-to-the-flats/

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I updated yesterday's article with new information -- including a confirmation from Skylight Financial that they're moving.