Looks like space for a boardwalk to me...

Edited June 10, 20241 yr by Geowizical

12 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said:

I just realized they placed the garage of a riverfront development, on the riverfront. No space for a boardwalk or anything.

 

It definitely doesn't look like there's much space there, but the site plan calls for both a boardwalk and apartments between the river and the parking garage.

 

12 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said:

I just realized they placed the garage of a riverfront development, on the riverfront. No space for a boardwalk or anything.

I believe there is actually room as I recall the issue being discussed at PC but I don't think there are any current plans for one.  In plain English, no money at this time and the focus of the "boardwalk people" are currently elsewhere in the Flats.

On 6/15/2022 at 11:25 PM, Ethan said:

From the Metroparks Agenda:

 

Marlin has agreed to sell the ± 1.1-acre property via fee simple title for $4,000,000. Cleveland Metroparks will work to secure outside funding and other creative sources to help fund the acquisition, but the acquisition will not be contingent upon being awarded such funds. Staff will come back to the Board to finalize any potential grant application(s) in the coming months and is currently exploring other partnerships to help preserve the Marlin Property, up to and including seeking a partner to assign a partial interest in the purchase agreement for the non-riverfront portion of the Marlin Property for future development. Acquisition of the Marlin Property would further the vision of connecting Rivergate Park and Flats East Bank along the Cuyahoga River for public access and enjoyment for future generations.

 

 

Also this:

 

 

The first one we already knew about, but it hasn't been confirmed for a while since its initial report. The second isn't too much of a surprise, and I think there's been some rumors about it, but I'm very excited about it. The Metropark's involvement is obviously a good sign for anyone interested in quality trails and green space!

 

(Also seeing the added land to Rivergate park makes me think that British St. aught to be closed, it serves no purpose, and I'm sure the metroparks could make more use of the newly acquired space if it were continuous.)

 

3 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

I believe there is actually room as I recall the issue being discussed at PC but I don't think there are any current plans for one.  In plain English, no money at this time and the focus of the "boardwalk people" are currently elsewhere in the Flats.

 

The Metroparks and Flats Forward are on it, see the above quoted excepts from the June 2022 agenda. It looks like there's at least some money acquired. Not sure if more will be needed, or the timeline. 

Some Cleveland sign pics. 

 

 

 

19 hours ago, Ethan said:

Some Cleveland sign pics. 

 

 

 

That parking garage completely destroyed that Cleveland sign shot.

there's going to be apartment wrapping around it

is this going to be the new "is that the buildings final color?" 

 

 

 

Note the deer

 

Those end units at each side of the garage look like townhomes…

16 minutes ago, ragarcia said:

 

Those end units at each side of the garage look like townhomes…

 

 

They are.

I’m in Brisbane Australia, right now for a work conference. It’s been a couple years since I’ve been here and a lot has been built in the meantime. I’ve always admired how Brisbane activates the river both from a pedestrian sense with walkways and with dense residential development. Brisbane is on a very winding river, which creates opportunities for development similar to the Scranton Peninsula in Cleveland. I think Brisbane is a great model for Cleveland river development and if Brisbane was in the United States, I’d live there.

 

I’ve posted a couple pictures here specifically of the river walkways and the peninsula development. This is just a small amount of what has been built. The skyline of the city is fantastic as well.

Jeremy:  "I know Brisbane, AUS. I worked with Brisbane, AUS and believe me Cleveland, you are no Brisbane, AUS."  

 

Sweet pictures and congrats on your trip. 

But we could be. Speaking of which that big grassy area where the deer is wandering seems ripe for more residential development. Does anyone know who owns it and if there are some plans for it that l might have missed?

37 minutes ago, cadmen said:

But we could be. Speaking of which that big grassy area where the deer is wandering seems ripe for more residential development. Does anyone know who owns it and if there are some plans for it that l might have missed?

 

That's the Great Lakes Brewing Co. property. Plans from 2021....

https://neo-trans.blog/2021/12/18/great-lakes-brewing-co-to-start-scranton-peninsula-work/

Thanks Ken. Wow. That property seems like a great spot for more housing but l have to admit before all of the recent development next door l wanted to see Great Lakes  expand there. Now l don't know what to think. I guess that means the city wins either way no matter what gets built. It's a refreshing problem to have.

On 6/16/2024 at 5:56 AM, jeremyck01 said:

I’m in Brisbane Australia, right now for a work conference. It’s been a couple years since I’ve been here and a lot has been built in the meantime. I’ve always admired how Brisbane activates the river both from a pedestrian sense with walkways and with dense residential development. Brisbane is on a very winding river, which creates opportunities for development similar to the Scranton Peninsula in Cleveland. I think Brisbane is a great model for Cleveland river development and if Brisbane was in the United States, I’d live there.

 

I’ve posted a couple pictures here specifically of the river walkways and the peninsula development. This is just a small amount of what has been built. The skyline of the city is fantastic as well.

 

looks like somebody is over at felons brewing area.👍

 

dont work too hard — have fun too & dont forget to visit cleveland if you have time. 😂

On 6/16/2024 at 8:08 AM, DO_Summers said:

Jeremy:  "I know Brisbane, AUS. I worked with Brisbane, AUS and believe me Cleveland, you are no Brisbane, AUS."  

 

Sweet pictures and congrats on your trip. 

 

i liked the birssy riverwalk trail as seen in the pics there, but i think the cuyahoga is too narrow to do much if anything like that off the riverfront.

On 6/15/2024 at 11:45 AM, ragarcia said:

 

 

 

Note the deer

Gotta leave this space open as a green space of some sort in my personal opinion. It feels like a total refuge coming off the metroparks path. 

That's going to be tough to do when land on Scranton Peninsula is now fetching $1 million or more per acre. NRP paid $1 million per acre. Silverhills paid $1.4 million per acre for its riverfront land. The Great Lakes Property is 8 acres and includes the inland parcel and a riverfront parcel. Would the city, county or Metroparks pay that kind of money? 

6 minutes ago, KJP said:

That's going to be tough to do when land on Scranton Peninsula is now fetching $1 million or more per acre. NRP paid $1 million per acre. Silverhills paid $1.4 million per acre for its riverfront land. The Great Lakes Property is 8 acres and includes the inland parcel and a riverfront parcel. Would the city, county or Metroparks pay that kind of money? 

Plus you are going to have a large, beautiful green space a stones throw away

5 hours ago, GREGinPARMA said:

Plus you are going to have a large, beautiful green space a stones throw away

 

Tough to play any sports on Irishtown Bend though. In fact, one of the big sports training companies like Spire, D1, HoopTech, etc might do well on Scranton Peninsula. The lack of these facilities in the urban core compared to the suburbs is very noticeable.

36 minutes ago, KJP said:

That's going to be tough to do when land on Scranton Peninsula is now fetching $1 million or more per acre. NRP paid $1 million per acre. Silverhills paid $1.4 million per acre for its riverfront land. The Great Lakes Property is 8 acres and includes the inland parcel and a riverfront parcel. Would the city, county or Metroparks pay that kind of money? 

I don't see the Metroparks buying this. If they really wanted to, I'm pretty sure they they could, but I don't think it's in their plans. They've been taking the Vision for the Valley pretty seriously, and a park here would conflict with that plan. 

 

The Metroparks are already involved in the efforts to create a boardwalk on this stretch of the river. My understanding is that things are set up such that public access to the river on these parcels is basically guaranteed regardless of buyer, so the Metroparks has little reason to purchase regardless. 

4 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Tough to play any sports on it though. In fact, one of the big sports training companies like Spire, D1, HoopTech, etc might do well here. The lack of these facilities in the urban core compared to the suburbs is very noticeable.

Hopefully the Cavs facility and *potential* soccer stadium nearby would set a precedent to further interest in more public fields/sports facilities 🤞

20 hours ago, mrnyc said:

 

i liked the birssy riverwalk trail as seen in the pics there, but i think the cuyahoga is too narrow to do much if anything like that off the riverfront.

 

Are you kidding?! The Flats needs South Bank’s Streets Beach and it needs it now.

 

Edited June 19, 2024Jun 19 by brtshrcegr

26 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Tough to play any sports on it though. In fact, one of the big sports training companies like Spire, D1, HoopTech, etc might do well here. The lack of these facilities in the urban core compared to the suburbs is very noticeable.

I just want to see something on the interior plot that embraces the Centennial Lake Link Trail. I was thinking a patio with some nice landscaping facing it, but I really like the idea of some nice outdoor sports facilities, definitely the kind of thing I could see people biking to. 

43 minutes ago, Ethan said:

I just want to see something on the interior plot that embraces the Centennial Lake Link Trail. I was thinking a patio with some nice landscaping facing it, but I really like the idea of some nice outdoor sports facilities, definitely the kind of thing I could see people biking to. 

My hope is that this is what the area around Merwin's Wharf continues to grow into. They already have the skate park, tennis courts, and water sports there. With the existing and recently acquired land, I'm hoping to see some basketball courts, mini soccer/turf fields, and a playground next. 

 

On the playground subject, I think something very similar to the Lindsey Family Play Space at Edgewater should be built somewhere along the riverfront, and Downtown on the Mall or Public Square. Right next to Merwin's could be a great spot, as parents could eat/drink while their kids are playing right next to them in a fenced in area. A playground near Public Square would be great for the thousands of new residents in the surrounding area, and some visitors as well. It could convince more families to stay Downtown vs moving to the suburbs. 

 

I just really want more shared spaces around town. In typical US fashion, most things are single use. Have spaces for kids to play in/next to where their parents want to hang out. Kids get more play, and parents get more time to talk with friends. It makes everyone happier. Boston has been doing outdoor beer gardens along the riverfront and Greenway Downtown in recent years, and they are amazing spaces. They don't have full playgrounds or anything, but enough to keep everyone entertained and space to run around. Look up Trillium Garden on the Greenway or Night Shift Esplanade for 2 examples. Or the typical beer gardens in the park in Central Europe. Both create nice places to exist for a few hours for people of all ages. Instead of the typical drive to a park, then drive somewhere else for lunch, then drive somewhere else for drinks with friends while the kids run around the bar/brewery. 

Edited June 19, 2024Jun 19 by PlanCleveland
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The Metroparks is already building Canal Basin park and Irish town bend right across the river from here. I don't see why Scranton Peninsula can't be all dense residential/retail. It will have the Towpath and a boardwalk surrounding it for connectivity to the river. 

Interesting. I'm in Boston for the week and heading downtown today. I'll see if we can walk to it. Taking the Hingham ferry to Rowes wharf. Gonna be a hot one though.

 

Nantucket tomorrow. Love the history here and the colonial look of the area.

2 hours ago, noname said:

Gotta leave this space open as a green space of some sort in my personal opinion. It feels like a total refuge coming off the metroparks path. 

One minute people are begging for density and when there are the beginnings of an urban neighborhood, people say we need green space!

4 hours ago, Sapientone said:

One minute people are begging for density and when there are the beginnings of an urban neighborhood, people say we need green space!

Humor aside, green space and urban density are not mutually exclusive.  I'd argue that Central Park is improved by the density around it, and vice versa.  Even well-designed pocket parks or riverwalks can make a big difference to livability around density.  I want both -- density and green spaces -- and I think you see that both European and Asian cities have figured out how to do that.

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How is  Silver Hills coming along? Any physical signs of any structural development

6 minutes ago, simplythis said:

How is  Silver Hills coming along? Any physical signs of any structural development

Yes, as you can see from the pictures posted above in this thread.

2 hours ago, Htsguy said:

Yes, as you can see from the pictures posted above in this thread.

Oh, I assume all of the 5 story buildings are the NRP development, but i know that silver hills is across the road

so i assume the building off to the side  is Silver Hills

12 hours ago, noname said:

Gotta leave this space open as a green space of some sort in my personal opinion. It feels like a total refuge coming off the metroparks path. 

 

Since that land is valuable and will likely go to development, a nice compromise would be ripping out the train tracks and converting this area to green space beneath the Towpath footbridge. For as great as the surrounding parks will be, there's nothing all that akin to flat, wide open green space where you could throw a frisbee, organize a soccer game, etc. This could be a nice way to achieve that.

 

 

That parcel might have the highest # of parks and most acres within a short walk of anyplace in the city.  

For those who say Cleveland hasn't changed much, this is an example of how much it has changed just in my lifetime. 

 

This is Downtown Cleveland, Scranton Peninsula, the Cuyahoga River and the Erie Railroad seen in the 1960s compared with June 2024. Photos were taken from near the intersection of Carter and Columbus roads, looking northward.

 

^I know exactly what you mean Ken.  My first big boy office  in the early 80s was in the rear of the Terminal Tower on the 11th floor and my office window faced those those hulking black buildings on the peninsula.  They looked so permanent at the time.  Ironic, much of the land I would stare at on a daily basis was/is owned by one of the firms clients (the firm no longer exists), Scranton-Averill.  So much of that view has changed for the better. 

Not to nitpick, but the 55 building is not in the top picture and it was completed in 1959, so the picture must be from the 50's.

 

But, the comparison does show how much change has happened over time.  The last picture looks like a modern city.

You're right! The person who posted it said it was from the early 60s and I didn't look at it so closely.

i would have never believed it could go from industry to residential like that. not in a million years. its amazing really.

And it will look even more different in a few months as the Silverhills development puts buildings between NRP's The Peninsula above and the river's edge below. Will be interesting to see how well these "step down" to the water.

 

 

On 6/29/2024 at 5:53 PM, mrnyc said:

i would have never believed it could go from industry to residential like that. not in a million years. its amazing really.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Never would’ve thought Cleveland would have luxury high-rise apartments with pools and bars on the roof.

15 hours ago, surfohio said:

 

 

Outstanding photo!

That is so f'ing cool.

Geez - last time I went to Brew Dog none of that was there.  How many total residents/units will be in that pic?

 

1 hour ago, OldEnough said:

Geez - last time I went to Brew Dog none of that was there.  How many total residents/units will be in that pic?

 

 

616 units between the two developments. Average household size in Cleveland is 2.4 persons but these are likely to attract younger people and empty nesters without families. So it will probably be more likely downtown Cleveland where the average number of people per unit is 2. At a 90 percent occupancy (554 units), that's about 1,108 new residents. 

1 hour ago, KJP said:

 

616 units between the two developments. Average household size in Cleveland is 2.4 persons but these are likely to attract younger people and empty nesters without families. So it will probably be more likely downtown Cleveland where the average number of people per unit is 2. At a 90 percent occupancy (554 units), that's about 1,108 new residents. 

Incredible.  

What is the windowless structure close to the river?  I should probably know this but don’t or can’t recall.