17 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said:

Wow this whole time I've been thinking only the NRP project was 

 

NRP's project is on the inland side of Carter Road. Silverhills is on the river side of Carter.

Scranton Peninsula from Lorain-Carnegie bridge

 

The Collins apartments and townhomes

 

Silverhills and The Collins from The Foundry

Very impressive.

OK, so it's not all government spending 

 

 

Nice photo by @sonisharri from the SHW HQ thread. So whenever the northern edge of Scranton Peninsula gets developed, I hope it's with 8- to 15-story story buildings. There, the zoning height district is a 4, meaning they can go up to 175 feet.

 

2 hours ago, cadmen said:

Very impressive.

and it is nice to see the concrete garage wall slowly disappear as the units are added.

I wonder if NRP has plans for this strip of land. Hopefully surface parking isn’t it.

Seeing this makes me more and more concerned that the city shouldn't be tossing away the Eagle St bridge.  There has to be some Federal funding etc to save it?   This is going to become a busy area.  

On 9/27/2024 at 3:49 PM, sonisharri said:

Scranton Peninsula from Lorain-Carnegie bridge

 

The Collins apartments and townhomes

 

Silverhills and The Collins from The Foundry

As an east sider, we've always referred to it as the Carnegie-Lorain bridge. Does the order of the street name indicate which side of town you're from?

5 hours ago, scg80 said:

As an east sider, we've always referred to it as the Carnegie-Lorain bridge. Does the order of the street name indicate which side of town you're from?

 

I'd honestly forgotten the name so I just guessed, it was a 50/50 😂 I'm not from Ohio but that is an interesting question 

10 hours ago, scg80 said:

As an east sider, we've always referred to it as the Carnegie-Lorain bridge. Does the order of the street name indicate which side of town you're from?

I'm from the East side and it still is Lorain-Carnegie to me lol.

10 hours ago, Cleburger said:

Seeing this makes me more and more concerned that the city shouldn't be tossing away the Eagle St bridge.  There has to be some Federal funding etc to save it?   This is going to become a busy area.  

I agree -  It is a shame to lose any of these bridges that will draw new settlers and newcomers who will want to experience the full Cleveland once word gets out about the new area to live. Plus it the bridge will likely have to be replaced there or nearby for emergency access eventually once the devolpment on all sides reaches critical mass.  Just drive down Scranton from Abbey and you see all of the uniquely Cleveland bridges that will be viewed from the new development underway or planned.  The impact of NPR, Silverhills and Brewdog/Avery is already so impressive but you also take away that there is so much land still to be developed.  Also you see how close and intergral Irishtown Bend Park and TowerCity is to everthing underway.  

11 hours ago, Cleburger said:

Seeing this makes me more and more concerned that the city shouldn't be tossing away the Eagle St bridge.  There has to be some Federal funding etc to save it? This is going to become a busy area.  

I don't know one way or the other, but I wouldn't be surprised if it would actually be cheaper to build a new bridge at this point than to refurbish the old non-maintained bridge. This is even more likely to be true by the time this becomes a busy area. 

 

Ignoring the money side of it, obviously it would be cooler to save and reuse the existing bridge. 

Plus the east end of the Eagle Avenue bridge is higher than the west for the ramp to Ontario that's no longer there. The new ramp will be steeper. So there is a significant drop off between the east end of the Eagle Avenue bridge and the new roadway below. Even if they wanted to keep the existing bridge they couldn't. At this point it might be really cool to have a modern lift bridge built over the river here, like the one at North Coast Harbor but larger and busier. And don't allow trucks so it will last longer.

4 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said:

I'm from the East side and it still is Lorain-Carnegie to me lol.

I believe that it is officially the “Hope Memorial Bridge”

https://case.edu/ech/articles/h/hope-memorial-bridge

From this morning. 

More of this! Very cool to see how the different elevations and heights of The Collins vs Silverhills create a terraced effect stepping back from the river 😎

From the air yesterday :) 

From industrial wasteland to an entire oasis of development is insane to see in 3 years. I remember when there was total uncertainty even a few years before to see if they could even build on this stretch due to how polluted it was. I seriously hope they don't undermine what it means to be a boardwalk, and I hope they market the proper entertainment, food, and drink options to keep people down there just like E. 4th. Granted the views alone should be enough, but people want to walk through something nice with utility to get a great use out of their time. SP has a great opportunity to do this. First the neighborhood, attract your crowd, then accompany it with everything else.

8 hours ago, tastybunns said:

From industrial wasteland to an entire oasis of development is insane to see in 3 years. I remember when there was total uncertainty even a few years before to see if they could even build on this stretch due to how polluted it was. I seriously hope they don't undermine what it means to be a boardwalk, and I hope they market the proper entertainment, food, and drink options to keep people down there just like E. 4th. Granted the views alone should be enough, but people want to walk through something nice with utility to get a great use out of their time. SP has a great opportunity to do this. First the neighborhood, attract your crowd, then accompany it with everything else.

I know from someone who was recently at the ULI conference in town that improving the access to the peninsula from Downtown is a focus right now. 

3 hours ago, PlanCleveland said:

I know from someone who was recently at the ULI conference in town that improving the access to the peninsula from Downtown is a focus right now. 

Cool any additional insights? For which transport modes? 

 

I know it's unrealistic, but I still think one of the best way to do this would be to repurpose the abandoned rail bridges. It would be a cool way to add pedestrian and bike connections. The problem is that Carter Rd has been rendered obsolete, and Eagle Ave is too far gone. The third one would be a helpful connection between the two peninsulas though. 

 

If we want to get really ambitious getting rail back on the Carter Rd bridge would be a game changer. Basically turning South instead of North for the lakefront line. I'm thinking the turn is a little too sharp, but boy would that be cool if it can be made to work. It could continue on to Tremont and beyond. 

 

11 hours ago, tastybunns said:

From industrial wasteland to an entire oasis of development is insane to see in 3 years. I remember when there was total uncertainty even a few years before to see if they could even build on this stretch due to how polluted it was. I seriously hope they don't undermine what it means to be a boardwalk, and I hope they market the proper entertainment, food, and drink options to keep people down there just like E. 4th. Granted the views alone should be enough, but people want to walk through something nice with utility to get a great use out of their time. SP has a great opportunity to do this. First the neighborhood, attract your crowd, then accompany it with everything else.

BrewDog is looking genius right now, and not including any retail in either of the large apartment developments is starting to look like a mistake. I'm sure the next development will have ground floor retail. I wonder if both of the two in construction developments knew for sure the other would cross the finish line if they would have been more likely to include retail, even just a small amount. Both by themselves probably can't sustain retail, but together, maybe. Idk, I'm just thinking. 

23 hours ago, Ethan said:

Cool any additional insights? For which transport modes? 

 

I know it's unrealistic, but I still think one of the best way to do this would be to repurpose the abandoned rail bridges. It would be a cool way to add pedestrian and bike connections. The problem is that Carter Rd has been rendered obsolete, and Eagle Ave is too far gone. The third one would be a helpful connection between the two peninsulas though. 

 

If we want to get really ambitious getting rail back on the Carter Rd bridge would be a game changer. Basically turning South instead of North for the lakefront line. I'm thinking the turn is a little too sharp, but boy would that be cool if it can be made to work. It could continue on to Tremont and beyond. 

 

BrewDog is looking genius right now, and not including any retail in either of the large apartment developments is starting to look like a mistake. I'm sure the next development will have ground floor retail. I wonder if both of the two in construction developments knew for sure the other would cross the finish line if they would have been more likely to include retail, even just a small amount. Both by themselves probably can't sustain retail, but together, maybe. Idk, I'm just thinking. 

I think the apartments facing directly towards the planned boardwalk should have at least had a coffee shop and or small restaurant to allow patrons to enjoy the view.

1 minute ago, bumsquare said:

The best part is it wouldn’t have anything to do with the Scranton peninsula in any discernible way. 

Sometimes I just read the comments and have no idea what thread I'm in. 

 

So any move in dates posted yet for The Collins? I haven't seen any yet. 

One of the lots on Carter up against the cliff (across from the Lake Link Trail) appears to have a lower level for a house built, as of yesterday.

12 minutes ago, urb-a-saurus said:

One of the lots on Carter up against the cliff (across from the Lake Link Trail) appears to have a lower level for a house built, as of yesterday.

 

That's for the first of these....

 

https://neo-trans.blog/2024/02/05/flats-luxury-finally-coming-home/

These are gonna look great on that stretch. I'm excited for them to build them all. Too bad I don't have $1M or else I'd love to buy one lol

2 hours ago, dwolfi01 said:

These are gonna look great on that stretch. I'm excited for them to build them all. Too bad I don't have $1M or else I'd love to buy one lol

 

This entire area is just undergoing a ridiculously good transformation right now. And there's still a lot of space just dying to be filled in. 

 

Come on Great Lakes you are Towpath adjacent with a world of new opportunity. Lets get the show on the road! 

3 hours ago, surfohio said:

 

This entire area is just undergoing a ridiculously good transformation right now. And there's still a lot of space just dying to be filled in. 

 

Come on Great Lakes you are Towpath adjacent with a world of new opportunity. Lets get the show on the road! 

I was in Brisbane over the summer and rented a bike for the day and rode most of the "Brisbane River Loop."   I'd love to see something like this in Cleveland--from the mouth of the Cuyahoga, upriver to the steel mills, and back. 

 

Not my video--but gives a good impression of what this is like: 

 

 

I rode the RiverCat or whatever the water taxi is when I was there, super cool

^ we definitely walked parts of that route. it makes me wish i had a rented a bike for a few days!

Can we work with the Metroparks for a waterfront or even just riverfront taxi loop? It would be some go straight from West to East bank but also some that also loop to certain sections of the river like the Peninsula and maybe Voinovich park etc.

26 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said:

Can we work with the Metroparks for a waterfront or even just riverfront taxi loop? It would be some go straight from West to East bank but also some that also loop to certain sections of the river like the Peninsula and maybe Voinovich park etc.

I’ve definitely taken a river taxi before to get to one side and back.

Outside Hooples. (cooler when ya zoom in)

 

I've been reading this forum for a longtime and am a huge fan of NEOTRANS. Read everyday, thanks KPJ!. The development at Scranton is great. There's no question about that.

 

Only concern I have is you really are on an island down there, especially concerning safety. I know in all the renderings of the parks: Irishtown bend, revamped Canal Park, Wendy Park, there's families and kids, but I mean we all know 60 -70% (it's slowly decreasing) of the flatland is a warzone. Any parent would not bring their kids down there much less live. It is certainly improving, piece by piece, but I fear it's still missing critical infrastructure to get to the next level. There's still too much immovable industry imo that will block many of those pieces. I know GLB is considering to build there, I know we got Dan Gilbert's big developments across the river in the next 15-20 years, but I feel the area needs more lighting (A LOT) and retail, not just downtown or in Ohio city up the hill, but in the Flats themselves. My concern, is that while the parks are phenomenal, we will soon be left with mostly parks and plants, that will produce big dark gaps in between that will kill foot-traffic and appeal (ESPECIALLY during winters). What do you guys think? I know I am being probably a bit negative, don't get me wrong - super excited to see how this all looks, incredibly needed. But I'm not sold these developments can survive long-term without a massive orchestrated effort by the city to move out (or minimize) a lot of the industry BEFORE the empty lots are bought and filled.

 

What do you guys think?

Edited October 21, 2024Oct 21 by markymark

Thanks Marky Mark. Say hi to the Funky Bunch for me.

22 minutes ago, markymark said:

Only concern I have is you really are on an island down there, especially concerning safety. I know in all the renderings of the parks: Irishtown bend, revamped Canal Park, Wendy Park, there's families and kids, but I mean we all know 60 -70% (it's slowly decreasing) of the flatland is a warzone. 

 

What do you guys think?

I'm wondering what your definition of a "warzone" is?   

Saturday was SUCH a glorious Fall day here in CLE! My husband and I walked across the Hope Memorial Bridge to the Q (old habits die hard) for the Rock Hall induction — what an incredible show. Anyway, I captured this pic of the work on Scranton on our walk there. ❤️

 

Living back in the city, after three decades in the burbs raising kids, is just a dream!

59 minutes ago, markymark said:

I've been reading this forum for a longtime and am a huge fan of NEOTRANS. Read everyday, thanks KPJ!. The development at Scranton is great. There's no question about that.

 

Only concern I have is you really are on an island down there, especially concerning safety. I know in all the renderings of the parks: Irishtown bend, revamped Canal Park, Wendy Park, there's families and kids, but I mean we all know 60 -70% (it's slowly decreasing) of the flatland is a warzone. Any parent would not bring their kids down there much less live. It is certainly improving, piece by piece, but I fear it's still missing critical infrastructure to get to the next level. There's still too much immovable industry imo that will block many of those pieces. I know GLB is considering to build there, I know we got Dan Gilbert's big developments across the river in the next 15-20 years, but I feel the area needs more lighting (A LOT) and retail, not just downtown or in Ohio city up the hill, but in the Flats themselves. My concern, is that while the parks are phenomenal, we will soon be left with mostly parks and plants, that will produce big dark gaps in between that will kill foot-traffic and appeal (ESPECIALLY during winters). What do you guys think? I know I am being probably a bit negative, don't get me wrong - super excited to see how this all looks, incredibly needed. But I'm not sold these developments can survive long-term without a massive orchestrated effort by the city to move out (or minimize) a lot of the industry BEFORE the empty lots are bought and filled.

 

What do you guys think?

I wasn't aware I lived so close to an active warzone. I guess I should watch more news.  All of the families moving in and parents I see walking around with their kids all the time also must not be aware either.

War zone? What? 
 

Up the hill, Duck Island is becoming a beautiful neighborhood, Columbus Hill is awesome, Irishtown Bend is gonna be the coolest park in the city, development is creeping down Scranton, we currently have million dollar townhomes being constructed, linking Columbus Hill with this development, Bedrock’s riverfront development on the other end has just begun….

 

Please direct me to this war zone so I can stay clear. 

I really wish people that clearly haven't stepped foot within 5 miles of downtown in 20 years would stop spouting their "facts" of what life is like for us people that actually live here every day lol.

1 hour ago, marty15 said:

War zone? What? 
 

Up the hill, Duck Island is becoming a beautiful neighborhood, Columbus Hill is awesome, Irishtown Bend is gonna be the coolest park in the city, development is creeping down Scranton, we currently have million dollar townhomes being constructed, linking Columbus Hill with this development, Bedrock’s riverfront development on the other end has just begun….

 

Please direct me to this war zone so I can stay clear. 

Unconfirmed but off-the-record sources say this picture was taken in the war zone last weekend

3 hours ago, markymark said:

But I'm not sold these developments can survive long-term without a massive orchestrated effort by the city to move out (or minimize) a lot of the industry BEFORE the empty lots are bought and filled.

 

What do you guys think?

I’m going to add my 2¢ here, and answer earnestly as I think you asked the question.

 

feels like a bit of a chicken and the egg problem here. But I think the hope of incremental development is the goal. Starting with housing and people and hope that the area can grow and thrive. It does benefit from being close to downtown, Ohio City, Tremont and steelyard. 

I've walked/run the tow path that passes by this development at least a few hundred times and have never had an issue. Granted I don't walk it at night because there has been some shenanigans (mostly kids being dumb kids) but I agree with enginerd - this will certainly improve as it becomes more populated. The biggest threat to my safety has been cars when needing to cross Carter Rd.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I still get a little too much of a suburban apartment building vibe from this due to the set back and lack of retail and the shingled roofs but I will admit the view down the street with both sides lining it does make me happy to see. Lots of people will be moving in!!❤️ Idk maybe it's just I feel that way because it's fairly empty surrounding it. Once more buildings are in it might blend better and feel more urban

First of these out of the ground!

1 hour ago, dwolfi01 said:

I still get a little too much of a suburban apartment building vibe from this due to the set back and lack of retail and the shingled roofs but I will admit the view down the street with both sides lining it does make me happy to see. Lots of people will be moving in!!❤️ Idk maybe it's just I feel that way because it's fairly empty surrounding it. Once more buildings are in it might blend better and feel more urban

I just hate the architecture. It’s very value engineered.

nah, generic is ok here.

 

or if value engineered means to get something built in a long time urban industrial wasteland and bring in residents to the city then more please. 

 

i have no doubt the fancier stuff will come along after the pilot fish residents sus it out.

 

that is, unless everything goes south for some reason, doubtful with that scenic setting, its likely there with be a ‘preferred quartier’ as they would say in france, in the new neighborhood eventually. 

Also. The other side of the “war zone”.