11 minutes ago, marty15 said:

Also. The other side of the “war zone”.

 

 

Gorgeous! I run that path multiple times a week and love it. But I will say this is a very carefully framed pic lol. Scranton Rd both immediately north and south of this pic is not scenic at all. Still have lots of real estate to develop hopefully. Which they are making progress, the biggest abandoned building on the block was recently razed. Can't wait to see the peninsula continue to get built up.

To me, it's stunning to see these scenes of Scranton Peninsula. My dad drove us around the Flats in the 1970s. I remember the pickling acid orange-colored Cuyahoga River, the rusty hulk of the Upson-Republic steel mill and the dog-sized rats that ran and hid among the tall grass. Absolutely stunning to see what's rising there now....

3 minutes ago, KJP said:

To me, it's stunning to see these scenes of Scranton Peninsula. My dad drove us around the Flats in the 1970s. I remember the pickling acid orange-colored Cuyahoga River, the rusty hulk of the Upson-Republic steel mill and the dog-sized rats that ran and hid among the tall grass. Absolutely stunning to see what's rising there now....

Driving down Carter from Hooples to BrewDog is mind blowing for sure. Younger me would’ve killed for one of those apartments, even with the awful value engineered design.

8 hours ago, marty15 said:

First of these out of the ground!

 

Decades from now this photo will be in a history exhibit...

 

This construction site in the Flats, circa 2024, whispers of a bygone industrial era now yielding to the rising tide of affluent urban living.

- Written by AI

6 hours ago, mrnyc said:

nah, generic is ok here.

 

or if value engineered means to get something built in a long time urban industrial wasteland and bring in residents to the city then more please. 

 

i have no doubt the fancier stuff will come along after the pilot fish residents sus it out.

 

that is, unless everything goes south for some reason, doubtful with that scenic setting, its likely there with be a ‘preferred quartier’ as they would say in france, in the new neighborhood eventually. 

Agree! I can't wait for the future view toward downtown (see NorthShore647's pix stack above and pasted here) at night when all units are occupied - it will create postcard (remember those) images of a thriving livable downtown.  What a historical pivot from belching smokestacks to living room lights at night. Once successfully completed it may help expedite interest in apartment/condo highrises in Gilbert's Riverfront Phases 1B, 1C, 2,...

 

Might be an unpopular opinion IDK, but I'd love to replace the old Cleveland skyline photo sans-SW from Heritage park we see on every sportscast game ever and replace it with THIS view once the apartments are complete, especially at night as @Willo described 🤩 ESPN I'm looking at YOU!

Edited October 29, 2024Oct 29 by Geowizical

^^Or for a developer to negotiate a land lease to develop the section of Scranton which will never be sold off. That will be huge for Cleveland if/when that happens.

Edited October 29, 2024Oct 29 by Oldmanladyluck

^ Live look at Scranton-Averell real estate deal hotline. 

On 10/28/2024 at 5:34 PM, KJP said:

To me, it's stunning to see these scenes of Scranton Peninsula. My dad drove us around the Flats in the 1970s. I remember the pickling acid orange-colored Cuyahoga River, the rusty hulk of the Upson-Republic steel mill and the dog-sized rats that ran and hid among the tall grass. Absolutely stunning to see what's rising there now....

Stunning indeed. Long gone are the late '70s underage Friday night keg parties at what was then that era version of Settlers Landing aka an open field of sparse grass and dirt; perfect place to party. The only thing around was the Pirate's Cove when it was still a biker bar and, of course, on the west bank, The Harbor Inn.  

Edited October 31, 2024Oct 31 by CLE24

Seeing this view reminded me of this old magazine clipping of the same view from the 70s when Republic Steel still had their screw and nut mill down there.

 

 

 

Edited November 4, 2024Nov 4 by Barneyboy

13 hours ago, Barneyboy said:

Seeing this view reminded me of this old magazine clipping of the same view from the 70s when Republic Steel still had their screw and nut mill down there.

 

 

 

Love the throwback 70s image and childhood memories but the obvious poor air quality made me reach for my abuterol rescue inhaler

 

These are looking truly outstanding at night.

I see that The Collins has an advertisement on Apartments.com.  Looks like you can move in on January 7, 2025.

 

5 minutes ago, TR said:

I see that The Collins has an advertisement on Apartments.com.  Looks like you can move in on January 7, 2025.

 

 

They sent emails out offering hard-hat tours in a couple of weeks. Yep, I'll take lots of pictures. 

Last Thurs: 

 

Nice before-and-after by @urbanetics_

 

Before

 

 

AFTER!!

 

1 hour ago, KJP said:

Nice before-and-after by @urbanetics_

 

Before

 

 

AFTER!!

 

The residents of the river facing units are going to have amazing free river traffic shows from their living rooms as the other day we saw a giant freighter parked in front of and dwarfing the construction site as the boat waited for the bridge to raise so it could travel up the river (or down?) inland.  So if intertested in that building I would reserve one of those units...

1 hour ago, KJP said:

Nice before-and-after by @urbanetics_

 

Before

 

 

AFTER!!

 

let's see - NRP on the left and Silverhills on the right. Is this correct?

7 minutes ago, simplythis said:

let's see - NRP on the left and Silverhills on the right. Is this correct?

Correct

Nice before and after; @urbanetics_ !!!
What an incredible metamorphosis!

5 minutes ago, Willo said:

The residents of the river facing units are going to have amazing free river traffic shows from their living rooms as the other day we saw a giant freighter parked in front of and dwarfing the construction site as the boat waited for the bridge to raise so it could travel up the river (or down?) inland.  So if intertested in that building I would reserve one of those units...

This is a dumb question. These freighters that come into the Cuyahoga River and maneuver around all twists and turns of the Cuyahoga River like collision bend eventually have to come back out. Where and how do they turn around?  Do they go all the way into the Cuyahoga valley National park in northern Summit county where the river kind of loops around and come back out. .

A lot of times they just back all the way out without even turning around, but there also is a turning basin located just southeast of Tremont

 

54 minutes ago, simplythis said:

This is a dumb question. These freighters that come into the Cuyahoga River and maneuver around all twists and turns of the Cuyahoga River like collision bend eventually have to come back out. Where and how do they turn around?  Do they go all the way into the Cuyahoga valley National park in northern Summit county where the river kind of loops around and come back out. .

No need to throw the word "dumb" around here.

53 minutes ago, YO to the CLE said:

A lot of times they just back all the way out without even turning around, but there also is a turning basin located just southeast of Tremont

 

watching them and the bridge movements never get old

3 hours ago, KJP said:

Nice before-and-after by @urbanetics_

 

Before

 

 

AFTER!!

 

Thank you! The transformation really is pretty incredible. The scale in-person really makes it super impressive. Hopefully some more mixed uses and little neighborhood retails spots (ex. a coffee shop, little market/bodega, another restaurant) will follow the people here sooner than later.

1 hour ago, ArtMasterCLE said:

Nice before and after; @urbanetics_ !!!
What an incredible metamorphosis!

 

YEAH BUT WHERE AM I GOING TO PARK

4 hours ago, YABO713 said:

YEAH BUT WHERE AM I GOING TO PARK

 

🤡

 

Edited November 12, 2024Nov 12 by sonisharri

13 hours ago, sonisharri said:

 

🤡

 

 

Then I wonder what this clown calls the image on the left

33 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said:

 

Then I wonder what this clown calls the image on the left

 

A place to build another soul-crushing suburban housing division with a fast-food chain or two, where you have to put on your car every morning to accomplish everything.

 

Cleveland riverside neighborhood opens for tours
By Ken Prendergast / November 20, 2024

 

For much of the past 50 years, Scranton Peninsula, across the curving Cuyahoga River from Downtown Cleveland, had become an increasingly desolate place. It saw its two largest industrial employers — Northern Ohio Lumber and Republic Steel’s Upson Nut Division — depart, leaving the 75-acre peninsula scarred and mostly vacant.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2024/11/20/cleveland-riverside-neighborhood-opens-for-tours/

 

4 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Cleveland riverside neighborhood opens for tours
By Ken Prendergast / November 20, 2024

 

For much of the past 50 years, Scranton Peninsula, across the curving Cuyahoga River from Downtown Cleveland, had become an increasingly desolate place. It saw its two largest industrial employers — Northern Ohio Lumber and Republic Steel’s Upson Nut Division — depart, leaving the 75-acre peninsula scarred and mostly vacant.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2024/11/20/cleveland-riverside-neighborhood-opens-for-tours/

 

If you would tell me that the homes on the left were in an East coast city I'd believe you. 

I didn't include these pictures in the article because the lighting wasn't good. But I thought my fellow urbanerds would like them. So here ya go....

 

 

 

 

Boy oh boy is BrewDog doing victory laps. Was this development even in the works when BrewDog began planning for this location?

Either way, a huge win for them

@KJP Do you know if there has been any interest in a developer doing a land contract on any of the land owned by Scranton-Averell Inc?  

 

Also- yeah... I wouldn't mind living there :-) 

Edited November 20, 2024Nov 20 by Oldmanladyluck

3 hours ago, KJP said:

I didn't include these pictures in the article because the lighting wasn't good. But I thought my fellow urbanerds would like them. So here ya go....

 

 

 

 

The lighting in the pics looks fine - it's an honest snapshot of the real Cleveland during the drab Winter months 

2 hours ago, Oldmanladyluck said:

@KJP Do you know if there has been any interest in a developer doing a land contract on any of the land owned by Scranton-Averell Inc?  

 

Also- yeah... I wouldn't mind living there :-) 

 

Unknown. I've heard only that it's very difficult to get their agent to answer the phone. 

 

21 minutes ago, Willo said:

The lighting in the pics looks fine - it's an honest snapshot of the real Cleveland during the drab Winter months 

 

I brightened up that main picture a lot. I wanted to go back down there again today to reshoot it this afternoon but then the rain moved in so that was out.

4 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said:

If you would tell me that the homes on the left were in an East coast city I'd believe you. 

 

Agree. Now can the places on the right lighten up their street presence at all? 

That van parked on the sidewalk in the photos is a precursor of things to come since there does not appear to be a parking lane on the street in front of these buildings. Maybe there will be one in front of the building on the right but I'm guessing that's not the case.

4 hours ago, surfohio said:

 

Agree. Now can the places on the right lighten up their street presence at all? 

I can't find a more recent design, but here is what @KJP shared a few years ago

https://neo-trans.blog/2021/12/06/cleveland-flats-peninsula-finally-coming-back-to-life/

 

7 hours ago, Henke said:

I can't find a more recent design, but here is what @KJP shared a few years ago

https://neo-trans.blog/2021/12/06/cleveland-flats-peninsula-finally-coming-back-to-life/

 

 

It's great seeing the two developments now side by side. I like the Silverhills project so much better. Much better site plan and sidewalk presence.

8 hours ago, Henke said:

I can't find a more recent design, but here is what @KJP shared a few years ago

https://neo-trans.blog/2021/12/06/cleveland-flats-peninsula-finally-coming-back-to-life/

 

sad to say it looks like a cousin to Bridgeworks.  We'll accept as it will trigger furhter needed development,  Luckily this development is also surrounded on all sides by a uniquely only-in-Cleveland landscape and views, otherwise it could be mistaken for clones in C-bus, Nashville, Charlotte, DC MD/VA burbs,...

2 minutes ago, Mendo said:

 

It's great seeing the two developments now side by side. I like the Silverhills project so much better. Much better site plan and sidewalk presence.

 

When I was looking out the windows of the Collins at Silverhills across the street, the NRP lady giving the tour said "Don't worry, that's not a penitentiary."

7 minutes ago, KJP said:

When I was looking out the windows of the Collins at Silverhills across the street, the NRP lady giving the tour said "Don't worry, that's not a penitentiary."

 

That's pretty glib from them considering their own (NRP's) design and site plan.

 

Edited November 21, 2024Nov 21 by Mendo

3 minutes ago, Mendo said:

 

That's pretty glib from them considering how awful their design and site plan is. 

Actually, I was thinking this NRP project is a bit better than their usual work, (say the Edison for example).  I know it is hard to tell simply from pictures, but interior finishes seem a bit more polished.

15 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

When I was looking out the windows of the Collins at Silverhills across the street, the NRP lady giving the tour said "Don't worry, that's not a penitentiary."

Ouch!! I like the competitive attitude.

Maybe the architect bid on the County Garfield Jail and lost but tweaked the design to repupose their hard work for this site (like the Brady Bunch movie where Mike Brady the architect had the same design - identical to their house - for every project proposal).

11 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Actually, I was thinking this NRP project is a bit better than their usual work, (say the Edison for example).  I know it is hard to tell simply from pictures, but interior finishes seem a bit more polished.

 

No disagreement there. The Edison set the bar pretty low.

One thing I was wondering is whether NRP is regretting not going 3-4 stories higher, at least in part of the development, to capture more river views.  I wonder if they knew of the Silverhills plan when the Collins was in the design phase.  Even if they did not, they had to assume that something would eventually be built along the river impeding views.  It will be interesting to see if they find themselves at a competitive disadvantage when the two projects are both done and in a marketing war.  Of course other factors, not just views (price, amenities etc.) will also come into play.

1 hour ago, Htsguy said:

One thing I was wondering is whether NRP is regretting not going 3-4 stories higher, at least in part of the development, to capture more river views.  I wonder if they knew of the Silverhills plan when the Collins was in the design phase.  Even if they did not, they had to assume that something would eventually be built along the river impeding views.  It will be interesting to see if they find themselves at a competitive disadvantage when the two projects are both done and in a marketing war.  Of course other factors, not just views (price, amenities etc.) will also come into play.

I agree. Will become a very valuable piece of land over the next decade if even 25% of that Bedrock gets developed, so you hate to see just a handful of floors. It will be incredibly interesting to see how quickly these lease out. But I'm not complaining, certainly refreshing to see neighborhood life coming to the area. It's a needed step.

Edited November 21, 2024Nov 21 by markymark

wow I did not know low-5000s was going rate for 3 bedrooms. holy smokes.

On 11/22/2024 at 7:30 AM, Jax said:

wow I did not know low-5000s was going rate for 3 bedrooms. holy smokes.

Especially in an area that was an abandoned wasteland for so long - here's two throwback photos to April 2018 when the land was being cleared.