December 27, 2024Dec 27 1 hour ago, E Rocc said: I've speculated before on CERCLA and/or soil stability issues on the peninsula. They may know things others don't, things that might impact the value of the land. Land that may have been borrowed against. That's possible but any lender would likely require environmental assessments to take collateral on land.
December 27, 2024Dec 27 I’m no expert so this is just speculation, but I’ve always wondered If maybe there’s some sort of tax advantage for the holding entity or the shareholders to keep the land. Or maybe there would be some huge tax liability to the parties if the land was sold. Again, I have no idea just guessing. I imagine that there’s been a whole bunch of creative accounting for tax purposes over the years on the part of the shareholders.
December 28, 2024Dec 28 On 12/24/2024 at 9:37 AM, PlanCleveland said: It has a name tag now Geez that's an ugly logo on a building.
December 28, 2024Dec 28 5 minutes ago, columbus17 said: Geez that's an ugly logo on a building. I get the logo and quite like it. It is on the site of an old nut and bolt factory. What I have an issue with is the lettering and layout/ lockup. Zero effort and imagination was expended. My hovercraft is full of eels
December 28, 2024Dec 28 1 hour ago, roman totale XVII said: I get the logo and quite like it. It is on the site of an old nut and bolt factory. What I have an issue with is the lettering and layout/ lockup. Zero effort and imagination was expended. Missed opportunity to make the "O" in Collins the nut.
December 28, 2024Dec 28 Dug this up from November 2011, view from the Terminal Tower observation deck: clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
December 30, 2024Dec 30 Found a comparable view from 2009, created this to show the difference 15 years can make. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
December 31, 2024Dec 31 Photos in link from “Share the River” When it's 61 degrees and sunny in late December, go out for a bike ride! December 30, 2024 https://sharetheriver.com/blog/2024/12/30/when-its-61-degrees-and-sunny-in-late-december-go-out-for-a-bike-ride
December 31, 2024Dec 31 3 hours ago, MuRrAy HiLL said: Photos in link from “Share the River” When it's 61 degrees and sunny in late December, go out for a bike ride! December 30, 2024 https://sharetheriver.com/blog/2024/12/30/when-its-61-degrees-and-sunny-in-late-december-go-out-for-a-bike-ride That's what I did, too- and saw most of the same things, including the ship. It was a great day for it!
February 5Feb 5 Just got back from a quick trip to Arizona and, at a friend's recommendation, visited the Cul de Sac pedestrian development in Tempe and HOLY COW. It's not done with construction yet, but it's incredible. Pedestrian only, 3-5 story apartment buildings, ground floor retail, built on little, open-air squares where local businesses can sustain themselves solely through residents. The entire time I was there, all I could think was "this is what the Scranton Peninsula is made for" https://earth.google.com/web/search/Culdesac+Tempe+Apartments+%26+Retail,+East+Apache+Boulevard,+Tempe,+AZ/@33.41376102,-111.89927973,362.93550105a,339.45365031d,35y,0h,0t,0r/data=CiwiJgokCZxaWlLhsURAEZS44k49r0RAGcUNOYz0ZVTAIRroDd-faVTAQgIIAToDCgEwQgIIAEoNCP___________wEQAA
February 5Feb 5 53 minutes ago, YABO713 said: Just got back from a quick trip to Arizona and, at a friend's recommendation, visited the Cul de Sac pedestrian development in Tempe and HOLY COW. It's not done with construction yet, but it's incredible. Pedestrian only, 3-5 story apartment buildings, ground floor retail, built on little, open-air squares where local businesses can sustain themselves solely through residents. The entire time I was there, all I could think was "this is what the Scranton Peninsula is made for" https://earth.google.com/web/search/Culdesac+Tempe+Apartments+%26+Retail,+East+Apache+Boulevard,+Tempe,+AZ/@33.41376102,-111.89927973,362.93550105a,339.45365031d,35y,0h,0t,0r/data=CiwiJgokCZxaWlLhsURAEZS44k49r0RAGcUNOYz0ZVTAIRroDd-faVTAQgIIAToDCgEwQgIIAEoNCP___________wEQAA Strange, I saw this CNBC video on YouTube a few days ago about CulDeSac. Gives a good overview of what it's like.
February 9Feb 9 Author at 12:01 am "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 9Feb 9 1 hour ago, BoomerangCleRes said: GLBC I hope and I hope it’s good news This is probably that negative story he hinted at yesterday
February 9Feb 9 20 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: This is probably that negative story he hinted at yesterday I thought that was two days ago
February 9Feb 9 Author Great Lakes Brewing picks Scranton Peninsula By Ken Prendergast / February 9, 2025 There’s still a lot we don’t know about Great Lakes Brewing Company’s (GLBC) vision for Scranton Peninsula in Cleveland. But NEOtrans has learned is that there are once again plans for the independent craft brewery to make a big investment in Cleveland Flats rather than relocate to an exurban site along an interstate highway. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2025/02/09/great-lakes-brewing-picks-scranton-peninsula/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 9Feb 9 well glad they came to their senses — don’t worry if you kid rock pack up your bags and head out west you can still get your craft beer brewery brews at my bro’s friend’s place in amherst — 😂🎉🍺 https://espbrewingco.com/
February 9Feb 9 11 hours ago, KJP said: Looks like a great setting to have a canal cut through the peninsula. Make it a boating destination as well!
February 9Feb 9 When Mark King resigned as CEO the plans to move to Avon went out the door with him. Just goes to show how important ledership is. One guy wants to move to another city/state while another wants to stay. It can be capricious to say the least. Cleveland needs more champions. More Gilbert's and less Haslam's.
February 9Feb 9 Man, if it ever becomes halfway as green as what is shown in that rendering, what a huge improvement. Does anyone know if the Conway brothers are still the owners? I'd assumed that the former CEO was a hand hired to run the day to day, but ultimately answered to ownership. I thought the Conways were very civic minded.
February 9Feb 9 20 minutes ago, JohnSummit said: Man, if it ever becomes halfway as green as what is shown in that rendering, what a huge improvement. Does anyone know if the Conway brothers are still the owners? I'd assumed that the former CEO was a hand hired to run the day to day, but ultimately answered to ownership. I thought the Conways were very civic minded. GLBC is also employee owned if I'm not mistaken.
February 9Feb 9 1 hour ago, JohnSummit said: Man, if it ever becomes halfway as green as what is shown in that rendering, what a huge improvement. Does anyone know if the Conway brothers are still the owners? I'd assumed that the former CEO was a hand hired to run the day to day, but ultimately answered to ownership. I thought the Conways were very civic minded. I'll rest a lot easier when it's more clear that this will be more like the old rendering vs. a walled-off industrial park. I am sligthly more optimitistic as I am worried lol. But like KJP said there's a lot we don't know yet.
February 10Feb 10 1 hour ago, Whipjacka said: between this FEB and Bedrock we may need a real water taxi Another great reason for the Scranton canals!
February 10Feb 10 1 hour ago, urb-a-saurus said: And maybe later, a water taxi could connect Scranton/Carter to Eagle, where the lift bridge is to be removed. Send me a list of possible stops y'all - I'd be happy to throw together a transit map a la:
February 10Feb 10 Great move! And article. This topic was brought up on the Cleveland reddit thread (perhaps by someone on this forum) and this comment caught my eye. Are there more apartments planned for this area? Or were they maybe referring to the handful of homes being built further down Carter Rd?
February 10Feb 10 Author There's just over 600 units down there. Roughly evenly split between NRP (316 units) and Silverhills (300). There is no retail except for a small, shipping container-like box planned at the front of the NRP courtyard. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 14Feb 14 Author Great Lakes Brewing IDs Scranton Peninsula project By Ken Prendergast / February 14, 2025 Great Lakes Brewing Company (GLBC) officials today confirmed a report published by NEOtrans last weekend that they are pursuing development on Cleveland’s Scranton Peninsula in the Flats. The first phase of that development was described by GLBC founders Pat and Dan Conway as “a potential entertainment venture and beer garden,” in a statement they issued today. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2025/02/14/great-lakes-brewing-ids-scranton-peninsula-project/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 14Feb 14 On 2/5/2025 at 10:05 AM, YABO713 said: Just got back from a quick trip to Arizona and, at a friend's recommendation, visited the Cul de Sac pedestrian development in Tempe and HOLY COW. It's not done with construction yet, but it's incredible. Pedestrian only, 3-5 story apartment buildings, ground floor retail, built on little, open-air squares where local businesses can sustain themselves solely through residents. The entire time I was there, all I could think was "this is what the Scranton Peninsula is made for" So you're saying we need to run a streetcar to Scranton Peninsula -- sounds good to me!
February 14Feb 14 Ripped this from the article: I know the image of the skyline from Heritage Park is iconic, but can the media start using this shot instead of the outdated photos? Especially once the apartments are done and GLBC building is in there, this has to be one of the best "up and coming" shots of the city 🤑 Anyways, I'm curious to see what they do size-wise with the land between Carter and the river now that we know they don't expect to put a full production facility there - based on their old renderings I'm having a hard time picturing how they expected to fit all of that complex in there lol Edited February 14Feb 14 by Geowizical
March 1Mar 1 Just curious, are those streets wide enough for parked cars? IMO that would make this area feel more "lived in", dense an urban once its up and running. Also acts as a buffer for peds on the sidewalk. Without it, it veers toward feeling more lifeless and suburban-esque.
March 1Mar 1 Author Add some street trees and that'll definitely make the street feel more narrow and intimate. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 1Mar 1 2 hours ago, ITakeTheRapid said: Starting to feel impressive as a pedestrian. It’s a wind tunnel though. Great photos. I passed through on my run today and it's starting to look really nice. The sidewalks feel pretty roomy so I'm sure there could be space for a couple street trees if they really wanted. Also, can confirm its a wind tunnel, but today was also just windy in general. I was having a tough run getting pushed around in the wind 🙃
March 1Mar 1 6 minutes ago, Keelung to Cuyahoga said: Also, can confirm its a wind tunnel, but today was also just windy in general. I was having a tough run getting pushed around in the wind 🙃 Builds character 😆
March 1Mar 1 20 hours ago, ITakeTheRapid said: Starting to feel impressive as a pedestrian. It’s a wind tunnel though. Residents leaving Brew Dog
March 1Mar 1 21 hours ago, ITakeTheRapid said: Starting to feel impressive as a pedestrian. It’s a wind tunnel though. With this kind of density its crazy there isnt any retail
March 2Mar 2 18 hours ago, ASP1984 said: With this kind of density its crazy there isnt any retail Not really, it takes many thousands of people to support even modest neighborhood convenience retail. This is still just a few hundred units.
March 2Mar 2 1 hour ago, X said: Not really, it takes many thousands of people to support even modest neighborhood convenience retail. This is still just a few hundred units. Thousands of people within what distance? Ohio City, Downtown, and Duck Island are practically next door. With the Lake Link trail, Tremont is only a short bike ride away. Maybe a 24-hour 7-Eleven is out of the picture, but a small market or unique shops that attract people from further away don't seem like impossibilities. Edited March 2Mar 2 by sonisharri
March 2Mar 2 I love it when people suggest retail in these isolated outposts when even retail on Euclid Avenue is a tough go.
March 2Mar 2 11 minutes ago, Htsguy said: I love it when people suggest retail in these isolated outposts when even retail on Euclid Avenue is a tough go. Trying to stay on topic lol. It's not crazy to think this area will be the opposite of an outpost in a few years. I know the "Thunderbird" renderings were aspirational, but mixed-use seems like a no brainer for this entire area. That being said, it will be interesting to see whether future residents will embrace more people, or not.
March 2Mar 2 Author It will have 616 units by the end of this year, or about 1,000 people A good start, and with the trails it could probably support some kind of small store like you would find in a decent-sized extended-stay hotel. But that's about it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 9Mar 9 On 3/2/2025 at 10:46 AM, KJP said: It will have 616 units by the end of this year, or about 1,000 people A good start, and with the trails it could probably support some kind of small store like you would find in a decent-sized extended-stay hotel. But that's about it. I say shoot for a more urbane version of Peninsula. Even though there isn’t the population support yet, plan for the future. Make this area a destination.
March 9Mar 9 45 minutes ago, surfohio said: I say shoot for a more urbane version of Peninsula. Even though there isn’t the population support yet, plan for the future. Make this area a destination. Build the canals...they will come!
March 9Mar 9 10 hours ago, Cleburger said: Build the canals...they will come! We hope that Great Lakes Brewing partners for more housing as part of its future phase inland 8 acres - after its riverfront 1st phase - at least on the southern end of their land that seems so close the first 2 single homes under construction.
March 9Mar 9 17 hours ago, Cleburger said: Build the canals...they will come! Houseboat community? Take my money!!!!
March 10Mar 10 More Scranton Peninsula pics: A couple shots from the Red Line... this project has gone a long way in terms of making Cleveland feel like a "big city" when entering downtown
March 10Mar 10 19 hours ago, surfohio said: Houseboat community? Take my money!!!! This one was for sale a couple years back... https://maps.app.goo.gl/AEGzC1K4ckyjq5ec7, really, the mods at UO should've bought it and made it the forum clubhouse...
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