14 minutes ago, GISguy said:

 

This one was for sale a couple years back... https://maps.app.goo.gl/AEGzC1K4ckyjq5ec7, really, the mods at UO should've bought it and made it the forum clubhouse...

 

That site has already has had too much trouble. What was the name of the club that was there that got raided a few times for drugs (ecstasy, coke, etc)? Here we go again..... 

1 hour ago, KJP said:

 

That site has already has had too much trouble. What was the name of the club that was there that got raided a few times for drugs (ecstasy, coke, etc)? Here we go again..... 

Aqua, then Club Mega - originally Jim’s Steakhouse.

20 minutes ago, MayDay said:

Aqua, then Club Mega - originally Jim’s Steakhouse.

 

IYKYK

43 minutes ago, MayDay said:

Aqua, then Club Mega - originally Jim’s Steakhouse.

 

Looks like they tore that building down.   The crews probably had to wear masks for reasons having nothing to do with asbestos or mold.  :0

On 3/2/2025 at 1:46 PM, KJP said:

It will have 616 units by the end of this year, or about 1,000 people A good start, and with the trails it could probably support some kind of small store like you would find in a decent-sized extended-stay hotel. But that's about it.

 

Idk. Its a ten-minute walk from the OHC center and just off the bike path. Other parts of the Flats that don't have any residential - e.g. the West Bank, Columbus Road - attract restaurants, bars, and limited retail just fine. For a growing area sandwiched between downtown and the densest neighborhood in Northeast Ohio, its perfectly reasonable to expect something as simple as a smoothie business or dry cleaner to do fine here. After all, the point of living in an urban area is to be within walking distance of convenience. I just don't see an argument for why this wouldn't work making sense.

Edited March 10Mar 10 by ASP1984

On 3/2/2025 at 12:42 PM, Htsguy said:

I love it when people suggest retail in these isolated outposts when even retail on Euclid Avenue is a tough go.

 

Dead stretches on the East Side are isolated outposts. Scranton Peninsula isn't.

 

Edited March 10Mar 10 by ASP1984

15 minutes ago, ASP1984 said:

 

Dead stretches on the East Side are isolated outposts. Scranton Peninsula isn't.

 

I meant downtown between Public Square and the Interbelt but you can include all of Euclid if you like.

1 minute ago, Htsguy said:

I meant downtown between Public Square and the Interbelt but you can include all of Euclid if you like.

 

Ok so what are you suggesting? That we wait until all retail fronts along Euclid in that stretch are filled before we encourage otherwise obviously good locations to accommodate it? We can straw man both sides all day.

22 minutes ago, ASP1984 said:

 

Dead stretches on the East Side are isolated outposts. Scranton Peninsula isn't.

 

As a counterpoint, walking on foot, it feels pretty isolated. Particularly when you consider the elevation change. There really isn't too much of anything on the other side of the river from Scranton Peninsula, at least not right now, a few gems on Columbus Peninsula, but a lot of rough, run down areas and parking lots as well, basically the same as you walk towards Ohio City, pretty much in any direction from here there's not a lot going on, until you go up a pretty large elevation difference. Is that a deal breaker? No, but it's relevant. Development here is bikeable to a lot of places (though huge elevation changes aren't fantastic on a non powered bike either), but not easily walkable to much of anything. 

 

To be clear, I walked to brewdog plenty of times when I lived downtown, when the weather's nice, it's an enjoyable walk, but it's not that short, and each of the several routes (from PS) have their downsides. 

 

Scranton will really benefit from Bedrock's riverfront development, but until that happens Scranton does feel kind of isolated, at least on foot. 

7 minutes ago, ASP1984 said:

 

Ok so what are you suggesting? That we wait until all retail fronts along Euclid in that stretch are filled before we encourage otherwise obviously good locations to accommodate it? We can straw man both sides all day.

I am only suggesting that it is very easy to spend other people's money.  If you think SP as it stands now is not isolated than you should invest in a retail outlet and see how it does.  I certainly would not take that chance.  Downtown retail is hard enough nationwide without extending it to questionable locations.

Edited March 10Mar 10 by Htsguy

19 minutes ago, Ethan said:

As a counterpoint, walking on foot, it feels pretty isolated. Particularly when you consider the elevation change. There really isn't too much of anything on the other side of the river from Scranton Peninsula, at least not right now, a few gems, but a lot of rough, run down areas and parking lots as well, basically the same as you walk towards Ohio City, pretty much in any direction from here there's not a lot going on, until you go up a pretty large elevation difference. Is that a deal breaker? No, but it's relevant. Development here is bikeable to a lot of places (though huge elevation changes aren't fantastic on a non powered bike either), but not easily walkable to much of anything. 

 

To be clear, I walked to brewdog plenty of times when I lived downtown, when the weather's nice, it's an enjoyable walk, but it's not that short, and each of the several routes (from PS) have their downsides. 

 

Scranton will really benefit from Bedrock's riverfront development, but until that happens Scranton does feel kind of isolated, at least on foot. 

 

I live on Scranton probably a fifteen-minute walk from there and appreciate what you're saying, at a surface level. I just don't see how a development adding 1000 new residents +/- along both sides of the road abutting a riverfront can rationalize excluding even one retail storefront.

 

Everyone here is saying the area is isolated - okay - so lets double down on that isolation by developing a project devoid of urban convenience? Makes sense.

 

They'll have to wait another ten years before Scranton Peninsula sees anything resembling basic retail materialize.

 

Whatever. As long as NRP gets their dev fee nothing else matters.

 

Edited March 10Mar 10 by ASP1984

10 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

I am only suggesting that it is very easy to spend other people's money.  If you think SP as it stands now is not isolated than you should invest in a retail outlet and see how it does.  I certainly would not take that chance.  Downtown retail is hard enough nationwide without extending it to questionable locations.

 

Brewdog took that chance. 

Breweries are pretty big attractions for residents and non-residents alike.

 

A little grocery store, dry cleaners, boutique clothing shop, etc, would mainly rely on immediate locals. At the moment it's doubtful this micro-neighborhood could easily support those businesses. It's just too cut off and small, presently.

 

Maybe a co op coffee shop? 

9 minutes ago, ASP1984 said:

 

I live on Scranton probably a fifteen-minute walk from there and appreciate what you're saying, at a surface level. I just don't see how a development adding 1000 new residents +/- along both sides of the road abutting a riverfront can rationalize excluding even one retail storefront. Everyone here is saying the area is isolated - okay - doubling down on that isolation by developing a project devoid of urban convenience makes sense how? They'll have to wait another ten years before Scranton Road sees anything resembling basic retail materialize.

 

Whatever. As long as NRP gets their dev fee nothing else matters.

 

If GLBC opens a new pub/restaurant on the riverfront parcel as they have previously planned to this, in addition to their new production space, this half of the peninsula will actually have a pretty decent mix of uses, despite all of the buildings being single use. Two restaurants/bars, a major employer, and several hundred apartments doesn't sound like that bad of a start to a neighborhood does it? 

 

Hopefully it can grow off that, and the next developments will be a bit more ambitious, but it's on the right track. 

Speaking of GLBC I fear their plan for parking 

Photo by ProudDad72 on FB. Love this shot

 

 

So one thing I noticed from a previous post...do those townhomes only have front facing windows? other than the end units? I feel like that would be so depressing...

8 minutes ago, ASPhotoman said:

So one thing I noticed from a previous post...do those townhomes only have front facing windows? other than the end units? I feel like that would be so depressing...

Other than the end units yes I think that's right. The only reason I can think of design-wise for that is that it leaves room to vertically expand the parking garage in the middle in the future

22 hours ago, GREGinPARMA said:

Photo by ProudDad72 on FB. Love this shot

 

 

I think that we really could learn from this development when it comes to parking. Building a parking garage and then surrounding it with apartments is something that I wouldn't mind seeing replicated throughout the city.

Whatever ends up happening with the Scranton Averell property I would love to see a Circle Square type footprint with four to five 10-15 story mixed use buildings with a couple resident towers a Hotel and office/work space. All of this would surround a European type stone courtyard where people can gather in chairs and tables and benches.  A very active space with a fountain in the center. Along the rivers edges would be a board walk with boat dockage. At dusk you would look across the river at the Bedrock development all lit up. And this is where I usually wake up...

38 minutes ago, freethink said:

Whatever ends up happening with the Scranton Averell property I would love to see a Circle Square type footprint with four to five 10-15 story mixed use buildings with a couple resident towers a Hotel and office/work space. All of this would surround a European type stone courtyard where people can gather in chairs and tables and benches.  A very active space with a fountain in the center. Along the rivers edges would be a board walk with boat dockage. At dusk you would look across the river at the Bedrock development all lit up. And this is where I usually wake up...

What a beautiful description. We share the same dream 🥹

Good heavens! There's more?! Is this the last that's being built for now?

1 hour ago, FutureboyWonder said:

Good heavens! There's more?! Is this the last that's being built for now?

Apartments? Yes this is "it" for now (600+ apartments was the count I think!). But Great Lakes Brewing Company has something cooking for that overgrown land in the far right of the photograph on the river!

https://neo-trans.blog/2025/02/14/great-lakes-brewing-ids-scranton-peninsula-project/

Edited March 20Mar 20 by Geowizical

Not to pile on, but I do think they need more retail here.

 

I visited Nashville in 2019 for the NFL Draft, and as a beer nerd I visited Bearded Iris Brewing. It was in a very industrial area, full of warehouses, and kind of run down. As part of our move from New Orleans to Cleveland last August, we stopped for a few days in Nashville and went back to Bearded Iris, and that area is now loaded with brand new apartment complexes and tons of restaurants and retail. The neighborhood is right on the river and is extremely vibrant and populated. The Germantown area of Nashville is kind of how I'd like to see the Scranton peninsula develop.

 

I mean, I know Nashville is seeing a huge population explosion, whereas Cleveland isnt... but I think if the apartments here get rented out, the consumer base is there.

12 hours ago, daybreaker said:

Not to pile on, but I do think they need more retail here.

 

I visited Nashville in 2019 for the NFL Draft, and as a beer nerd I visited Bearded Iris Brewing. It was in a very industrial area, full of warehouses, and kind of run down. As part of our move from New Orleans to Cleveland last August, we stopped for a few days in Nashville and went back to Bearded Iris, and that area is now loaded with brand new apartment complexes and tons of restaurants and retail. The neighborhood is right on the river and is extremely vibrant and populated. The Germantown area of Nashville is kind of how I'd like to see the Scranton peninsula develop.

 

I mean, I know Nashville is seeing a huge population explosion, whereas Cleveland isnt... but I think if the apartments here get rented out, the consumer base is there.

I always feel there should at least be space for retail included in these developments because at least in the future you can fill them when the time comes vs. never having the opportunity to. 

^empty retail for a possibly extended period of time is a bad look.

7 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

^empty retail for a possibly extended period of time is a bad look.

A dead 9-5 neighborhood along prime riverfront space with no option to change that in the future is just as bad if not worse. At least empty spaces can be filled or contain pop up shops. 

At least I believer there should be some nice riverwalk trails/paths as part of these developments I think I remember?

19 hours ago, FutureboyWonder said:

Good heavens! There's more?! Is this the last that's being built for now?

 

Nice. Sort of. Townhomes near Columbus Road and GLBC's riverfront venue are still to rise.

5 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said:

I always feel there should at least be space for retail included in these developments because at least in the future you can fill them when the time comes vs. never having the opportunity to. 

 

It's not hard to imagine how that space could be flexible use. Even storefront window dressing with temporary storage space hidden behind it fills a purpose.  Builders should probably be incentivized to build this way. 

5 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said:

A dead 9-5 neighborhood along prime riverfront space with no option to change that in the future is just as bad if not worse. At least empty spaces can be filled or contain pop up shops. 

This is what I've been saying. Not only did they just cap the population there, it also blocked prime real-estate just for generic housing that is not integrated at all into the surrounding area. It's better than nothing and short-term looks cute, but long-term it's a housing island that just privatized what should have been public spaces imo. We shall see

^ There's a lot of space left on this peninsula, once a population is established I'm sure the next development will opt for retail. Plus, nothing is permanent. If demand for retail is strong enough then when these buildings are due for a major renovation in a few decades it can be added. We have to start somewhere, plus as others have mentioned there's a public element in this with the boardwalk. Retail will come as long as development persists. 

I disagree actually. First floor commercial is and will remain disastrous for a lot of reasons, whereas even ground floor residential units will find a tenant. There are just so many empty parcels that would be better served as residentials - retail is too risky, costly, lacks demand, etc.

 

Times have changed. 

 

1 hour ago, markymark said:

Not only did they just cap the population there, it also blocked prime real-estate just for generic housing that is not integrated at all into the surrounding area. It's better than nothing and short-term looks cute, but long-term it's a housing island

 

So like... a residential-only neighborhood with no retail where every errand requires taking a trip to a separate commercial district? I think there's a word for this 🤔

 

In all seriousness, I think we all agree demand for new residential significantly outpaces commercial—and no one's suggesting we build another downtown here. Even just 97% residential and 3% small-scale commercial would be conducive to walkability.

Edited March 20Mar 20 by sonisharri

1 hour ago, Ethan said:

^ There's a lot of space left on this peninsula, once a population is established I'm sure the next development will opt for retail. Plus, nothing is permanent. If demand for retail is strong enough then when these buildings are due for a major renovation in a few decades it can be added. We have to start somewhere, plus as others have mentioned there's a public element in this with the boardwalk. Retail will come as long as development persists. 

There's certainly a lot of space down there but good luck getting ahold of it for redevelopment. It's held by many stubborn groups who have no intention of selling as they haven't moved for decades. So for the foreseeable future this will be difficult to see as more than an island. I hope for the best. 

 

 

 

 

that last picture really fills me with hope that we will see the riverfront be a vibrant built up area.

Some cloudy views from across the river. 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Ethan said:

Some cloudy views from across the river. 

 

 

The money shot!  We noticed on Sunday the workers were busy  installing the gray siding on the inset portion of the builing. Must be a rush job to compete with Collins across the street.

38 minutes ago, Willo said:

The money shot!  We noticed on Sunday the workers were busy  installing the gray siding on the inset portion of the builing. Must be a rush job to compete with Collins across the street.

 

I thought the same thing :-)

 

Every home nationally televised NBA game will have this shot; and thank God, because they love to recycle footage from before SHW was built.

On 3/20/2025 at 2:35 PM, surfohio said:

 

It's not hard to imagine how that space could be flexible use. Even storefront window dressing with temporary storage space hidden behind it fills a purpose.  Builders should probably be incentivized to build this way. 

 

I know. Literally just put an art project in there to attract foot traffic. Yeah its not going to be a money maker but once the honeymoon effect of new development wears off and the residents realize they have to walk / drive / travel to other commercial districts for any basic convenience, people will realize this was a missed opportunity. 

 

Silver lining: I could see this putting added pressure to populate Columbus Ave with more retail. With the upcoming mixed-use project over there, that's a good thing.

 

In other news, some of the art clubs I'm a part of here in town throw parties in the park behind the Flat Iron. I like the thought of marketing those events to the residents nearby.

 

Edited March 25Mar 25 by ASP1984

So I work at tremont convenient and one of the great lakes reps comes in and i told him it's nice that GL is putting the brewery in Scranton.

 

Well, I'm not sure if this is company BS they have to say because he was adamant that there is zero plans putting a brewery on the peninsula, there was never a plan to put a brewery on the peninsula and specifically mentions that the information in Ken's article is "made up".

 

I figure it's company BS given how fast he shut the whole idea down.

 

Is this a realistic scenario or is he yanking my chain?

 

I wanted to add he mentioned the beer garden was merely a conversation and that GLBC is "trying" to stay in cuyahoga county but the county isn't helping them.

Edited April 4Apr 4 by FutureboyWonder
Removed my d**k-ish language

30 minutes ago, FutureboyWonder said:

So I work at tremont convenient and one of the great lakes reps comes in and i told him it's nice that GL is putting the brewery in Scranton.

 

Well, I'm not sure if this is company BS they have to say because he was adamant that there is zero plans putting a brewery on the peninsula, there was never a plan to put a brewery on the peninsula and specifically mentions that the information in Ken's article is "made up".

 

I figure it's company BS given how fast he shut the whole idea down.

 

Is this a realistic scenario or is he yanking my chain?

 

I wanted to add he mentioned the beer garden was merely a conversation and that GLBC is "trying" to stay in cuyahoga county but the county isn't helping them.

 

I think you answered your own question. 😂

You might be right but given his conviction I figure I should give him the benefit of the doubt and ask

Until they actually build something, it's still an open-ended question. All I did was share their public-record plans for a riverside "potential entertainment venture and beer garden" titled as “Scranton Road Redevelopment Phase One" as part of "Scranton Road Brewery.”

 

Their words. Not mine.

It's slightly concerning the official company line might be "How dare you use our own words?"

11 minutes ago, daybreaker said:

It's slightly concerning the official company line might be "How dare you use our own words?"

 

Really? I'm used to it...

1 hour ago, FutureboyWonder said:

So I work at tremont convenient and one of the great lakes reps comes in and i told him it's nice that GL is putting the brewery in Scranton.

 

Well, I'm not sure if this is company BS they have to say because he was adamant that there is zero plans putting a brewery on the peninsula, there was never a plan to put a brewery on the peninsula and specifically mentions that the information in Ken's article is "made up".

 

I figure it's company BS given how fast he shut the whole idea down.

 

Is this a realistic scenario or is he yanking my chain?

 

I wanted to add he mentioned the beer garden was merely a conversation and that GLBC is "trying" to stay in cuyahoga county but the county isn't helping them.

It is difficult to predict what will actually end up happening, but “zero plans putting a brewery on the peninsula” is a lie. I promise you they have actively been evaluating the possibility of building a new brewery on that property to replace the main brewery for at least several years. That doesn’t necessarily mean it will end up happening, but it is (or at least was) definitely being considered by GLBC. 

57 minutes ago, daybreaker said:

It's slightly concerning the official company line might be "How dare you use our own words?"

Isn't that pretty par for the course for discourse in 2025?