On 4/28/2025 at 1:07 PM, ASP1984 said:

Is there a rendering on the thread somewhere I've missed?

Do you want to see the original renders of The Collins or the Silverhilll? Something else?

4 hours ago, yanni_gogolak said:

Incredibly flat.

One might say it belongs in "the flats"

13 hours ago, KJP said:

Do you want to see the original renders of The Collins or the Silverhilll? Something else?

Ah thanks for asking - of the proposed spa down at the end of Scranton mentioned up thread.

for fun i found this — i dk the date —

^

You can see that and more by date on this site: Cleveland Historic GIS Map

15 hours ago, Rustbelter said:

^

You can see that and more by date on this site: Cleveland Historic GIS Map

ahh, cool find — 👍

so its 1927-1937.

No new info really, just a thorough piece about the great momentum on Scranton Peninsula and surrounding riverfront developments:

cleveland

Cleveland’s best kept secret: Vibrant new neighborhood po...

Over 600 new apartments are going up at once on the Scranton Peninsula near downtown Cleveland

A new neighborhood is being built in Cleveland

Been admittedly curious about how much space is going to be allocated between the new apartments and river, so I decided to check it out. Much more riverfront space than I anticipated - hopefully it will be allocated for public use?

Either way, I'm impressed by the size of this project.

I recall the planning commission harping on Silverhills having a publicly accessible water's edge through here.

It's hard to read, but the text says "Proposed Waterfront Boardwalk from Master Plan Shown for Context Only", which I interpret to mean they're not planning to design and build the boardwalk, but will let the City, Metroparks, etc. install it when the time comes.

6 minutes ago, acd said:

It's hard to read, but the text says "Proposed Waterfront Boardwalk from Master Plan Shown for Context Only", which I interpret to mean they're not planning to design and build the boardwalk, but will let the City, Metroparks, etc. install it when the time comes.

Makes sense. For what its worth, it won't take much to put a few food trucks down there and small stage one or two times a year! Hopefully the arts community can show the city how lively things can get when people have space along the river to congregate and motivate them to invest in a boardwalk.

Maybe they will seed that dirt area in between the building and the (crumbling) water's edge? Dunno if it's safe but at least maybe they could provide a temp grassy area that's accessible via that public access path they show between the buildings

From what I've heard that access path between the buildings and the landscape/green space between the building and river have all be changed to large swaths of concrete thanks to the fire department claiming they need 30' paved access around the larger building.

7 minutes ago, enginerd12 said:

From what I've heard that access path between the buildings and the landscape/green space between the building and river have all be changed to large swaths of concrete thanks to the fire department claiming they need 30' paved access around the larger building.

Our Fire Department suddenly seems hell bent on requiring ridiculous alterations. I think the last one I remember was a building in Tremont requiring a large access point for them.

17 minutes ago, enginerd12 said:

From what I've heard that access path between the buildings and the landscape/green space between the building and river have all be changed to large swaths of concrete thanks to the fire department claiming they need 30' paved access around the larger building.

The distance from the face of the building to the river's edge seems to be about 60' based on a maps measurement, so I hope the rest of that 30' is boardwalk and greenery 🤞

Edited May 30May 30 by Geowizical

21 minutes ago, Geowizical said:

The distance from the face of the building to the river's edge seems to be about 60' based on a maps measurement, so I hope the rest of that 30' is boardwalk and greenery 🤞

Yeah here's to hoping.

Even a crushed limestone walking path would do the trick. Location-wise, it would be an amazing connector between the two ends of the bike path that bookend Carter Road; effectively completing the loop. It occurred to me yesterday while walking the Towpath along Scranton that this is effectively becoming Cleveland's Esplanade. Only with retail and residents. Let's get it done!

7 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said:

Our Fire Department suddenly seems hell bent on requiring ridiculous alterations. I think the last one I remember was a building in Tremont requiring a large access point for them.

Fire departments are a nightmare to work with. I remember a project they restricted us on because the building was too wide (it was a metal pole building. Like that's burning down easily). They caused quite a nightmare for Crawford Hoying on Bridge Park as well.

I took the day off on Thursday and headed down to BrewDog for some lunch and drinks with a friend. Gorgeous weather, the patio filled up really quick, and this was at like 1-2 pm on a work day! They were shooting a promotional video there which surely contributed, but there was also a cornhole tournament and beer pong being played. Driving down Carter from Columbus rd. still feels surreal to me, I love the neighborhood feel it already has and will only get better!

22 hours ago, Geowizical said:

The distance from the face of the building to the river's edge seems to be about 60' based on a maps measurement, so I hope the rest of that 30' is boardwalk and greenery 🤞

Yeah I hope you're right

From the Goodtime III today.

Those apartments are going to get rented at lightning speed.

I love the potential of this Lil guy.

I know it's not going to happen but every single night I get into my jammies and pray that this building is going to be an all brick facade. I don't even look at the design docs in fear of ruining the fantasy.

Bad jokes aside imagine having deep red brick, green trees and then the water. To me it creates a very scenic view, andI really wish the city pushed them to not do the drab beige, white and Grey materials.

All in all I am happy to see this development it's a huge step.

instead of large apt block buildings i wish this was more the model for the peninsula — the cul de sac development in tempe, az — have a tour:

instead of large apt block buildings i wish this was more the model for the peninsula — the cul de sac development in tempe, az — have a tour:

50 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

This would be awesome. I really wonder how they financed the project, given that banks love their parking.

Unfortunately SP doesn’t have any transit options (although the W 25 redline station is close) so it’s a walk bike or drive situation.

^ Absolutely. That kind of village design is what l look for in my world travels. I actually plan my trips just so l can soak up that kind of experience. I was in Morocco recently just so l could get lost in Fez, Essaouira and Marrakesh. For me that is living.

The funny thing is, when l run into fellow Americans and we get to talking about the cool layout everyone seems to love it but when l ask why don't we duplicate something like it back home all l get is "But where would l park?" It's like they're brainwashed and don't know it.

2 hours ago, mrnyc said:

instead of large apt block buildings i wish this was more the model for the peninsula — the cul de sac development in tempe, az — have a tour:

1 hour ago, cadmen said:

^ Absolutely. That kind of village design is what l look for in my world travels. I actually plan my trips just so l can soak up that kind of experience. I was in Morocco recently just so l could get lost in Fez, Essaouira and Marrakesh. For me that is living.

The funny thing is, when l run into fellow Americans and we get to talking about the cool layout everyone seems to love it but when l ask why don't we duplicate something like it back home all l get is "But where would l park?" It's like they're brainwashed and don't know it.

Same on all fronts, except I haven't been to Morocco yet haha.

I have come to believe that most American brains don't realize/comprehend that people ACTUALLY live in these places they visit. They just view them as a Disneyland type of place. Not a REAL city, that runs much more efficiently than their own, that they could advocate for their home town to be more like.

I like to go to cities when I'm on vacation and walk around them almost as if I'm preparing to move there. Visit the old town(if the city has one), different neighborhoods, and see where the new development is and how it is being built. People claim that we can't be *insert city* because it's old or whatever other reason, but even the new build areas on the outskirts of these cities blow away anything we are building in North America. There is absolutely no reason we couldn't be copying it beyond the politics and NIMBYs that exist here to ruin any progress. The new neighborhoods in Vienna, Copenhagen, Amsterdam, and Zurich would all be the among the nicest communities on our continent. All built around new or existing frequent rail transit and are very affordable.

I do actually think this peninsula could still become a place like that, but it will be expensive, so it won't happen. Also the fact that more of the land isn't likely to go up for sale. The people who can afford to move to these new apartments are a demographic that is very unlikely to ever take a bus. But abandoned rail lines run right through the middle of the peninsula, the bridge could be restored, and a short connection to the Waterfront Line and Tower City could be built. And then a connection to the red line tracks near Fulton.

The area could absolutely become a place where 4000 people live and few parking spaces exist, but I just don't think our transit system is in a place where enough people would consider it while also paying the premium prices for that location. Mainly due to the lack of stops on the system that would actually get people where they need or want to go.

^ that said, i could see a walkable cul de sac model development fitting in and doing very well elsewhere around town. like say midtown or below the clinic.

i just thought this but if the stadium goes away that waterfront property would be ideal. its already not a place for cars — and the wfl is right there.

Edited June 4Jun 4 by mrnyc

Love the geography of those Flats peninsulas. I've commented before that l think they are a better calling card than the lakefront. Other than the vista our lakefront is just so much back and forth. My family always had a boat when l was growing up and the second worst part for me was that back and forth shoreline boredom. And the worst? The springtime work (cleaning, scrapping, painting etc) which was torture for a lazy teenager lol.

At any rate, my monies on the river and peninsulas for interest and development. Can you imagine all those kick-a** neighborhoods if we built them out as waterfront living/bars/restaurants along with some canal inserts for docking? Tight quarters, little allys and surprise parklets like in the video. The only change l would make is l would vary the designs so it looks more organic.

Sure, we don't have mountains or an ocean but we do have those peninsulas. Imagine what they COULD be.

Edited June 5Jun 5 by cadmen

Townhomes on Carter Rd

Silverhills & The Collins

43 minutes ago, sonisharri said:

Townhomes on Carter Rd

Silverhills & The Collins

I don't think we put as much weight as we should on the amount of infill single family and townhome construction going on in the city even in the current building climate.

Well folks, I think I've discovered the new name for "Silverhills"?

Triton (at The Flats)

Edited June 6Jun 6 by Geowizical

So they aren't extending sidewalks to Columbus correct? I get it their property line ends and so does their obligation to install sidewalks.

That said, it would help the communities their developing!

The Collins already has occupants correct? What is the percentage rate looking like so far?

1 hour ago, GREGinPARMA said:

The Collins already has occupants correct? What is the percentage rate looking like so far?

The data for your math problem is here: https://www.apartments.com/the-collins-cleveland-oh/3y2pvje/

I am certainly not familiar with all of NRP's work, but in the past I thought some of it was really meh. The Collins seems to be an above average project for them, at least in my mind.

8 hours ago, KJP said:

The data for your math problem is here: https://www.apartments.com/the-collins-cleveland-oh/3y2pvje/

If it is accurate it is showing just 72 out of the 316 left so that is 244/316 or 77% leased.

Good numbers if that’s the case 👍