I cannot stress how much potential there is on the Scranton Peninsula, provided the new neighborhood is planned correctly.

^^For the love of god, please don't line any of the public rights of way with garage doors.

^^Great point. To that, I would love a Bostonian sort of set up, with the homes abutting the streets and alleyways between properties hosting garages.

I cannot stress how much potential there is on the Scranton Peninsula, provided the new neighborhood is planned correctly.

 

This area has always intrigued me as an area with big potential but also big hurdles.  A few that I see:

 

- Environmental - given all this area was industrial, there undoubtedly needs significant testing & some abatement of the soils?

- Infrastructure - same as above, these are large parcels - if residential is planned, it will need broken up into more of a residential grid, even if larger apartment/condo buildings are planned

- Amenities - again, same as above, there's very little down here yet in terms of neighborhood amenities. 

  - Grocery store would be Tremont or Ohio City or Warehouse District? 

  - Public transit stops?  Currently none?

  - Police presence?  Currently none?

 

Another challenge I see here is creating the right SCALE of development.  Some 2-3 story townhomes might quickly get lost in this area.  I think a couple taller buildings could fit very well  - create more density and take advantage of some views of the river & such.

I've never been a fan of Skylift but this is probably one place where it makes a great deal of sense. Place a Skylift station near the center of Scranton Peninsula and have gondolas carry passengers over the Cuyahoga River to the Avenue at Tower City Center. That will provide access not only to shopping and other downtown amenities, but also direct access to the RTA rail station.

The other challenge, purely as a design matter, is how to avoid building Genericsburg-on-Cuyahoga. Would really, really love to see the few remaining structures on the peninsula survive, as well as the industrial-era infrastructure and road network in some shape and form. If the city isn't working in some master planning and zoning reform to get ahead of this, shame on them.

^^^ Agreed, as South Park put it, I do not want this area to turn into a SoDoSoPa

^^^Yes skylift from westside market to scranton to tower city would crush it.  An apartment tower or 2 with views of the lake would be amazing.

 

We could think of a cheesy, yuppie Nickname for the neighborhood though..

 

- ScraPe

- Riverbend

- Scrantown

- Bendtown

- Back Harbor

- City View

- ScraPenSoTre

^ Topographically, it's an extension of Duck Island. I'd use that name.

The Scranton Flats at Duck Island, Luxury Industrial Loft Living and Townhomes.

 

The Scranton Flats @ Duck Island?

 

:-(

 

 

^ Topographically, it's an extension of Duck Island. I'd use that name.

 

Duck's Beak. IT'S SETTLED.

Hingeduck

Hingeduck

Quacktown

Mallard bank flats

I like "ScraPe"

Also, to the comment before about high-rises...

 

I would assume that some of the Tremont / Duck Island developers might have a sight-easement on the properties on the Peninsula. Otherwise, I think that would be a great idea.

I like "ScraPe"

 

would that be pronounced like scrape?

 

but seriously, I think they should just go with Scranton Peninsula. Keep it simple.

I like "ScraPe"

 

would that be pronounced like scrape?

 

but seriously, I think they should just go with Scranton Peninsula. Keep it simple.

 

It's French... Scrah-Pay

So none of you bothered to add the requisite "Arts District" after your suggestions.

 

You all fail!!!

In before the "back on topic" post.

 

nuCLEduck

^But just so there is no misunderstanding or tradename infringements, we'd better go with "Nuclear Duck".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l242Sj26k8M

^ Haha. I was waiting for someone to post that!

Alright kids, now that everyone got that out of their system, let's get back on topic.

Also, to the comment before about high-rises...

 

I would assume that some of the Tremont / Duck Island developers might have a sight-easement on the properties on the Peninsula. Otherwise, I think that would be a great idea.

 

They absolutely have no such sight easement.

Very thorough piece from Bullard..some good info

 

Long-term trends revive development pulse on Scranton Peninsula

 

However, other prospects already are knocking on the door about land controlled by the trust, which traces its ownership of property back more than a century, including a corporate headquarters he refused to identify.

 

A major asset of the peninsula, the empty former home of Ferry Cap & Set Screw Co. at 2151 Scranton Road, was on the cusp of redevelopment until plans by the Northeast Ohio Regional Sewer District to build a tunnel on part of the property tossed at least a three-year delay into a proposal to renovate it to apartments

 

However, in an email Weiner said the developers told their land planner, the global firm Perkins + Will, to analyze several different scenarios for a mixed-use development on the peninsula.

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170903/news/134256/long-term-trends-revive-development-pulse-scranton-peninsula

There have been rumors that Sherwin-Williams has considered building a new headquarters next to the river. Could this be the corporate headquarters referenced in the article?

Very thorough piece from Bullard..some good info

 

Long-term trends revive development pulse on Scranton Peninsula

 

I'm surprised this story didn't get more run. Lot of great information here. Looking forward to see the master plan.

 

The Ferry Cap & Set Screw complex would make for an awesome conversion. From the article, it sounds like that is likely years down the road.

The Ferry Cap & Set Screw complex would make for an awesome conversion. From the article, it sounds like that is likely years down the road.

 

A little off topic, but I always loved the old PD's humor. In the 60's the PD headlined: "Ferry Makes Offer to Screw Company Stockholders," meaning that Ferry Cap offered to acquire a another fastener company.  8-)

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However, other prospects already are knocking on the door about land controlled by the trust, which traces its ownership of property back more than a century, including a corporate headquarters he refused to identify.

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170903/news/134256/long-term-trends-revive-development-pulse-scranton-peninsula

 

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170907005717/en/

 

Amazon is looking to build a new HQ in another city. Does anyone else think that Scranton Peninsula would be a great spot for it? With their new amazon locker downtown and the new fulfillment center coming to North Randall I think this could be something that's actually possible! How do we go about making sure that Cleveland submits a good proposal for this?

For that many employees, Scranton Peninsula needs more infrastructure to improve access, such as restoration of the Eagle Avenue bridge, a rail line to downtown/airport and significant new sewers/waterlines.

^ I discussed in the other thread that the city could create a TIF district for public infrastructure improvements.  The increase in value from 8 million square feet of office should generate enough to improve the infrastructure.  Looking at a map SP is not far from the Red Line at W25th and directly across the river from Tower City.  Perhaps a spur loop off of the red line, or trolley buses could make the connection to W25th.  I think pedestrian bridges could connect to Tower City as well which provides access to all rail transit and parking.

For that many employees, Scranton Peninsula needs more infrastructure to improve access, such as restoration of the Eagle Avenue bridge, a rail line to downtown/airport and significant new sewers/waterlines.

 

I could be wrong, but those are the reasons we'll see SP develop in stages, rather than in one full swoop. There are positives for that approach, ie more time and flexibility for planning and reassessment. 

^ I discussed in the other thread that the city could create a TIF district for public infrastructure improvements.  The increase in value from 8 million square feet of office should generate enough to improve the infrastructure.  Looking at a map SP is not far from the Red Line at W25th and directly across the river from Tower City.  Perhaps a spur loop off of the red line, or trolley buses could make the connection to W25th.  I think pedestrian bridges could connect to Tower City as well which provides access to all rail transit and parking.

 

Interesting ideas. So you're envisioning a much more mixed-use plan then?  I suppose I had this area at say 90 percent residential, probably based on some 20 year old proposal by FCE. 

I was envisioning a mixed use development anchored by Amazon's 2nd HQ in which case i think we can build out a huge section of SP all at one and use a TIF to assist with rail, infrastructure and road construction. 

I doubt there's enough room for Amazon, let alone other uses. We're talking about an HQ with a number of employees that's nearly double that of the Cleveland Clinic main campus.

I doubt there's enough room for Amazon, let alone other uses. We're talking about an HQ with a number of employees that's nearly double that of the Cleveland Clinic main campus.

 

According to the article from Crain's there's just about 45 acres down there although much of it is already taken up other buildings and tenants. 45 acres is just under 2M square feet, meaning 8 million sq ft of office would only be four floors of building... much too small for many of the posters on here  :-P

 

In all seriousness though, as a resident of Cleveland what can I do to ensure that someone from the city is submitting a proposal? Perhaps that is a discussion for another thread though.

As far as putting together a proposal, GCP and TeamNEO are the ones that need to be on top of this.  Amazon wants only one package from each MSA which can include multiple sites from multiple jurisdictions.  I don't care if this ends up in the burbs or Summit County. I'd love to see it NEO.  Anywhere else in Ohio is my second choice and Detroit is third. I'm a dreamer.

Great Lakes Brewing Co. is looking at Scranton Peninsula for possible expansion project (photos)

Michelle Jarboe, The Plain Dealer

6-7 minutes

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio - Strapped for space at its longtime home in Ohio City, Great Lakes Brewing Co. is talking about building a second production facility a mile away, on long-barren Scranton Peninsula in the Flats.

 

The homegrown brewery hasn't made any decisions. During an interview, Bill Boor, the company's chief executive officer, said there's no guarantee Great Lakes will pull the trigger on an expansion - regardless of the site. But he confirmed that the company is "very interested" in Scranton Peninsula, where a recent land sale has opened up new development possibilities.

 

http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2017/09/great_lakes_brewing_co_is_eyei.html#incart_river_home

Great Lakes Brewing, Geis-linked group weigh Flats plan

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170916/news/135836/great-lakes-brewing-geis-linked-group-weigh-flats-plan

What's their plan w28th[/member]?

 

10-12 new single family houses. Should be an interesting project.

 

http://www.hortonharper.com/work/carter-road/

 

 

 

The nice thing about the Carter Road housing project is that the new concrete Carter Road is connected to Canal Road and also the new under construction concrete Scranton Road.  And will be near the future Scranton-Averell, Inc.  projects and the former Forest City land project (EWAT Holdings LLC) that might include a future GREAT LAKES BREWING Expansion project!

 

Forest City Realty Trust sells key Flats land

 

A Scranton peninsula property with views of downtown where Forest City Realty Trust Inc. (NYSE: FCE.A) once discussed launching a 1,500-unit residential complex is the latest property shed by the Cleveland-based real estate developer.

 

Cuyahoga County land records show Forest City on Tuesday, Aug. 1, deeded the 20-acre site to EWAT Holdings LLC, which purchased the property with $5 million in loans.

 

Jesse Grant, a Cleveland-based townhouse developer in Tremont, signed the mortgage on behalf of EWAT. Through various partnerships, Grant has produced several eye-catching townhouse projects, including Tremont Black at West 10th Street and Fairfield Avenue.

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170804/NEWS/170809868/forest-city-realty-trust-sells-key-flats-land

 

 

 

Great Lakes Brewing Co. is looking at Scranton Peninsula for possible expansion project (photos)

Michelle Jarboe, The Plain Dealer

6-7 minutes

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio - Strapped for space at its longtime home in Ohio City, Great Lakes Brewing Co. is talking about building a second production facility a mile away, on long-barren Scranton Peninsula in the Flats.

 

The homegrown brewery hasn't made any decisions. During an interview, Bill Boor, the company's chief executive officer, said there's no guarantee Great Lakes will pull the trigger on an expansion - regardless of the site. But he confirmed that the company is "very interested" in Scranton Peninsula, where a recent land sale has opened up new development possibilities.

 

http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2017/09/great_lakes_brewing_co_is_eyei.html#incart_river_home

 

^I think I'd rather see Great Lakes open something on Opportunity Corridor than on Scranton Peninsula. That's supposed to be a big part of the purpose of OC. Scranton Peninsula should be able to support a "higher and better" use of the land. (Sorry about that traditional term "higher and better"; it always sounds elitist. There's nothing wrong with a brewery.)

I understand your point Dougal, but in this case being that it's Great Lakes, I'm OK with the location.  Great Lakes is a huge part of the brewing scene in NE Ohio, and alot of people come here specifically to go there.  They have a rich history in the business, and I think a high profile location is good for them.  Anyone else, I agree, OC would be a great fit. 

Depends on how it's designed. If it's similar to its existing site in OC, with a tavern, restaurant and tasting room, etc. then it could be part of a nice mix of uses.

^I think I'd rather see Great Lakes open something on Opportunity Corridor than on Scranton Peninsula. That's supposed to be a big part of the purpose of OC. Scranton Peninsula should be able to support a "higher and better" use of the land. (Sorry about that traditional term "higher and better"; it always sounds elitist. There's nothing wrong with a brewery.)

 

I had a similar reaction, but per the Crains piece, sounds like the GL folks are considering a multi use development, with housing and green space, not just an industrial brewing facility. Given the environmental and infrastructure challenges of building here, probably a good thing to have a someone with some juice taking the first step.

^I think I'd rather see Great Lakes open something on Opportunity Corridor than on Scranton Peninsula. That's supposed to be a big part of the purpose of OC. Scranton Peninsula should be able to support a "higher and better" use of the land. (Sorry about that traditional term "higher and better"; it always sounds elitist. There's nothing wrong with a brewery.)

 

I had a similar reaction, but per the Crains piece, sounds like the GL folks are considering a multi use development, with housing and green space, not just an industrial brewing facility. Given the environmental and infrastructure challenges of building here, probably a good thing to have a someone with some juice taking the first step.

 

I’d like to know if the Conway’s have seen what Stone Brewing has done with their main facility in Escondido. Its got nature trails, wetlands, outdoor bars with fireplaces and all sorts of carefully designed natural space to explore and enjoy.

 

GLBC on Scranton could be all that and more.

^I think I'd rather see Great Lakes open something on Opportunity Corridor than on Scranton Peninsula. That's supposed to be a big part of the purpose of OC. Scranton Peninsula should be able to support a "higher and better" use of the land. (Sorry about that traditional term "higher and better"; it always sounds elitist. There's nothing wrong with a brewery.)

 

I can’t see GLBC taking a flyer on Opportunity Corridor.  Ideally there’ll be mixed use offices and national chains that set up there, but I just don’t see how Great Lakes fits there.

^Agreed