June 28, 20186 yr Author Hmm, like your opinion it is good, I have something contrary. Is that not allowed? It's not personally about you, but I find it interesting from a broad cross-section human psychological point of view what people have opinions on. You were just the latest experience in hearing a weekend full of opinions about everything that was shared with me. That's all. Carry on. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 28, 20186 yr And directly adjacent to "Thunderbird" is a newly proposed development currently in presale http://www.hortonharper.com/work/carter-road/ I'm loving the concepts for what do with the west bank and also wondering if/when the financing will be secured? I mean, before any grand ideas of parks on the bend, the hill still needs to be stabilized at around $28M of which $13M is currently allocated and another $9M in grants being sought (https://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2018/04/cuyahoga_county_to_provide_land_for_proposed_irishtown_bend_park.html) And then another $50-60M on top of that for a total of $90M? Not sure how this factors in other recent developments, but sounds like a lot for CLE.
June 28, 20186 yr And directly adjacent to "Thunderbird" is a newly proposed development currently in presale http://www.hortonharper.com/work/carter-road/ I'm loving the concepts for what do with the west bank and also wondering if/when the financing will be secured? I mean, before any grand ideas of parks on the bend, the hill still needs to be stabilized at around $28M of which $13M is currently allocated and another $9M in grants being sought (https://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2018/04/cuyahoga_county_to_provide_land_for_proposed_irishtown_bend_park.html) And then another $50-60M on top of that for a total of $90M? Not sure how this factors in other recent developments, but sounds like a lot for CLE. How do I find the presale costs? Back in the market with a budget of $300. But I anticipate these are well out of our price range...
June 28, 20186 yr Author Anyone coming in from out of town (like an East Coast real estate scout) may ride across the Red Line bridge from the airport, see these Carter Road townhouses, then their eyes follow to the GLBC expansion and then to this massive expanse of possibilities surrounded by a navigable waterway on three sides with downtown right across the water and have the bells ring in their head. I only hope that Geis et al put up a big-a$$ sign facing the Red Line that says "Will build to suit -- 216-867-5309 Jenny" "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 28, 20186 yr "Will build to suit, pending approval from anti-urban activists who inexplicably live right outside downtown."
June 28, 20186 yr And directly adjacent to "Thunderbird" is a newly proposed development currently in presale http://www.hortonharper.com/work/carter-road/ I'm loving the concepts for what do with the west bank and also wondering if/when the financing will be secured? I mean, before any grand ideas of parks on the bend, the hill still needs to be stabilized at around $28M of which $13M is currently allocated and another $9M in grants being sought (https://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2018/04/cuyahoga_county_to_provide_land_for_proposed_irishtown_bend_park.html) And then another $50-60M on top of that for a total of $90M? Not sure how this factors in other recent developments, but sounds like a lot for CLE. How do I find the presale costs? Back in the market with a budget of $300. But I anticipate these are well out of our price range... Heard through my realtor that prices are around $650k and buyer needs to customize with developer.
June 28, 20186 yr And directly adjacent to "Thunderbird" is a newly proposed development currently in presale http://www.hortonharper.com/work/carter-road/ I'm loving the concepts for what do with the west bank and also wondering if/when the financing will be secured? I mean, before any grand ideas of parks on the bend, the hill still needs to be stabilized at around $28M of which $13M is currently allocated and another $9M in grants being sought (https://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2018/04/cuyahoga_county_to_provide_land_for_proposed_irishtown_bend_park.html) And then another $50-60M on top of that for a total of $90M? Not sure how this factors in other recent developments, but sounds like a lot for CLE. How do I find the presale costs? Back in the market with a budget of $300. But I anticipate these are well out of our price range... Heard through my realtor that prices are around $650k and buyer needs to customize with developer. [/q And directly adjacent to "Thunderbird" is a newly proposed development currently in presale http://www.hortonharper.com/work/carter-road/ I'm loving the concepts for what do with the west bank and also wondering if/when the financing will be secured? I mean, before any grand ideas of parks on the bend, the hill still needs to be stabilized at around $28M of which $13M is currently allocated and another $9M in grants being sought (https://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2018/04/cuyahoga_county_to_provide_land_for_proposed_irishtown_bend_park.html) And then another $50-60M on top of that for a total of $90M? Not sure how this factors in other recent developments, but sounds like a lot for CLE. How do I find the presale costs? Back in the market with a budget of $300. But I anticipate these are well out of our price range... Heard through my realtor that prices are around $650k and buyer needs to customize with developer. Lolololololololololol damn okay
June 28, 20186 yr Author WOW "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 28, 20186 yr Yes, but their proposed vehicles are too small. I think the one in Portland could be more appropriate. I suppose they could always start with a water taxi and an escalator, but the water taxi wouldn't work in winter. Gondolas that were talked about from skylift were 8 person gondolas. That is pretty substantial. The hourly capacity for the excalibur 2 at whistler which has a slow mid-loading station is 2600/hr. I’ve seen capacity of other gondolas at 3600/hr. Going to the Doppelmayr website they have a new system called 3s that can get capacity to 5000/hr. I believe this is what Disney is building right now to link all their parks in Florida. https://www.doppelmayr.com/en/products/3s-gondola-lift/
June 29, 20186 yr Author Future site of the Thunderbird development on the blank slate of Scranton Peninsula. This is what the area looked like earlier today, with land already being cleared to market the first phase. The Thunderbird signs are everywhere! BTW those are $1 million homes under construction on the rim of the hillside overlooking Scranton Peninsula... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 30, 20186 yr World class (signage). But truly, this would be a great development. That name, though...
June 30, 20186 yr Author Eh, lots of funky development names lately.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 30, 20186 yr I like the name. You won't forget it. I interned outside Hilton Head and lived in Savannah once. I learned that the next town over from Savannah, GA is called Thunderbolt. So, you know, there's a close precedent of naming your location after Thunder####.
July 17, 20186 yr Didn't know what thread to put this in, but I think this would be most appropriate. I LOVEEEE this house, though I'd never live in it. I think it's an incredibly cool little spot, and Columbus Rd hill in general has a lot of great spots like this. Since this picture was taken, it's been entirely decorated and a cool, colorful tile pattern has been added to the outside. Behind the pull-down shutters is a really cool entryway where the owner's keep a chair as well https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4870878,-81.7004418,3a,75y,103.39h,83.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sl1He6UY-11wvZTRmqmS-ig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
July 18, 20186 yr Didn't know what thread to put this in, but I think this would be most appropriate. I LOVEEEE this house, though I'd never live in it. I think it's an incredibly cool little spot, and Columbus Rd hill in general has a lot of great spots like this. Since this picture was taken, it's been entirely decorated and a cool, colorful tile pattern has been added to the outside. Behind the pull-down shutters is a really cool entryway where the owner's keep a chair as well https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4870878,-81.7004418,3a,75y,103.39h,83.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sl1He6UY-11wvZTRmqmS-ig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Someone lives in that?
July 18, 20186 yr World class (signage). But truly, this would be a great development. That name, though... What? The word?
July 18, 20186 yr World class (signage). But truly, this would be a great development. That name, though... What? The word? I would think the name. How about Scranton Yards https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
July 23, 20186 yr Just saw this drone video posted on YouTube of the the Thunderbird development on the Scranton Peninsula.
July 23, 20186 yr Didn't know what thread to put this in, but I think this would be most appropriate. I LOVEEEE this house, though I'd never live in it. I think it's an incredibly cool little spot, and Columbus Rd hill in general has a lot of great spots like this. Since this picture was taken, it's been entirely decorated and a cool, colorful tile pattern has been added to the outside. Behind the pull-down shutters is a really cool entryway where the owner's keep a chair as well https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4870878,-81.7004418,3a,75y,103.39h,83.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sl1He6UY-11wvZTRmqmS-ig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Someone lives in that? LOL, that was my first thought, too.
July 23, 20186 yr Didn't know what thread to put this in, but I think this would be most appropriate. I LOVEEEE this house, though I'd never live in it. I think it's an incredibly cool little spot, and Columbus Rd hill in general has a lot of great spots like this. Since this picture was taken, it's been entirely decorated and a cool, colorful tile pattern has been added to the outside. Behind the pull-down shutters is a really cool entryway where the owner's keep a chair as well https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4870878,-81.7004418,3a,75y,103.39h,83.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sl1He6UY-11wvZTRmqmS-ig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Someone lives in that? LOL, that was my first thought, too. Haha I'll have to take a pic of it updated. It's not even recognizable.
July 24, 20186 yr Didn't know what thread to put this in, but I think this would be most appropriate. I LOVEEEE this house, though I'd never live in it. I think it's an incredibly cool little spot, and Columbus Rd hill in general has a lot of great spots like this. Since this picture was taken, it's been entirely decorated and a cool, colorful tile pattern has been added to the outside. Behind the pull-down shutters is a really cool entryway where the owner's keep a chair as well https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4870878,-81.7004418,3a,75y,103.39h,83.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sl1He6UY-11wvZTRmqmS-ig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Someone's gonna tear that down and build a townhouse.
July 24, 20186 yr Didn't know what thread to put this in, but I think this would be most appropriate. I LOVEEEE this house, though I'd never live in it. I think it's an incredibly cool little spot, and Columbus Rd hill in general has a lot of great spots like this. Since this picture was taken, it's been entirely decorated and a cool, colorful tile pattern has been added to the outside. Behind the pull-down shutters is a really cool entryway where the owner's keep a chair as well https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4870878,-81.7004418,3a,75y,103.39h,83.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sl1He6UY-11wvZTRmqmS-ig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Someone's gonna tear that down and build a townhouse. Lol I've gotta get an updated pic for you guys
September 25, 20186 yr Thunderbird story. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/e-team/thunderbird-starting-the-discussion-about-remaking-land-at-the-heart-of-cleveland
November 30, 20186 yr Author Why couldn't they save this historic building?? I'm interested to learn what is happening here, as the property is still owned by Scranton-Averell as it has been for at least 40 years..... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3046&CASE=DF 2018-116 1920 SCRANTON ROAD DEMOLITION Return to Case List | Start Over | Print Report (PDF format) Project Information Downtown/Flats Case # DF 2018-116 Address:1920 Scranton Road Company:Cutting Edge Architect: Description: The proposed complete demolition of an existing multistory vacant building. Edited November 30, 20186 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 30, 20186 yr Ugh I do not like this. Those old buildings down there are so unique... speaking of which, how old is this building?
November 30, 20186 yr Author 10 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said: Ugh I do not like this. Those old buildings down there are so unique... speaking of which, how old is this building? County records say they date to 1880. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 30, 20186 yr Author This is apparently who "Cutting Edge" is and may be relocating from just up the street: Cutting Edge Stone Map & Directions Be the first to review! 2296 Scranton Rd, Cleveland, OH 44113 (216) 696-3911 BTW, Scranton Averell owns their current site as well. Stoneworks acquires Cutting Edge Granite https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/features/business/stoneworks-acquires-cutting-edge-granite/article_a9bd21bc-37e1-11e6-9877-8f4a5eb4d103.html Edited November 30, 20186 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 20, 20186 yr 1920 Scranton Rd Demo. http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2018/12212018/index.php
December 20, 20186 yr Author @simplythis see posts above "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 20, 20186 yr The case was tabled at design review a couple weeks ago. Curious if this will just be rubber stamped this week.
December 20, 20186 yr On 11/30/2018 at 11:53 AM, KJP said: County records say they date to 1880. CLEVELAND STORAGE COMPANY 1944 Scranton Avenue In 1884, to serve the storage and transshipment needs of the rapidly industrializing Flats area, the Cleveland Storage Company constructed a four-story, brick and wood beam warehouse, 180 feet by 120 feet, designed by J. S. Watterson. The warehouse’s Scranton Avenue site had easy access to the Cuyahoga River, as well as three railroad lines, Cleveland Chamber of Commerce and St. Louis, Lake Shore and Michigan Southern, and the Erie Railroad. An 1884 advertisement stated, “We call your attention to the advantages offered by our warehouse . . especially to that large class of merchants to whom it is an advantage to have a stock of goods in this city from which to supply all small orders in broken lots, or for quick delivery to any desired point. We are prepared to receive pig iron, iron ore, copper, lumber, dry goods, canned goods, household goods, . .” The warehouse also had a large cold storage capacity for storing fruit, butter, eggs, and other perishable goods. In 1890 the warehouse expanded. J. S. Watterson designed a two-story brick and wood-beam building, 47 feet by 200 feet, which had three additional stories added in 1895. In 1895 a two-story building, 94 feet by 43 feet, was added. The buildings are used for storage today. The cold storage area no longer exists. [Cleveland City Directory: 1884-1885 14 (Cleveland, 1884): 129.] - From the Historic American Engineering Record (HAER)
January 26, 20196 yr There is an article about Great Lakes and their land on the Peninsula. Not much new info but they talk generally about the beer industry and expanding into a new facility. Great Lakes Brewing Co. expansion: What will become of Scranton Road Peninsula land? https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2019/01/great-lakes-brewing-co-expansion-what-will-become-of-scranton-road-peninsula-land.html
January 28, 20196 yr Author Doesn't sound like they're near to coming up with a final design let alone starting construction anytime soon. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 23, 20196 yr Author Cool new video posted a few days ago...... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 5, 20196 yr Author First new home on Scranton Peninsula in probably 150-200 years. Interesting that it's only one home -- a model, I assume? Although Googling the address shows 2033 Carter to be right in the middle of the Thunderbird site, not on Lake Link property closer to Columbus Road.... Board of Zoning Appeals MARCH 18, 2019 9:30 Calendar No. 19-24: 2033 Carter Road Ward 3 Kerry McCormack 14 Notices Lake Link LLC., owner, proposes to erect a 3 story 2,967 square foot single family residence with an attached garage in a K3 Local Retail Business District. The owner appeals for relief from the strict application the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances: 1. Section 355.05(a) which states that the Minimum Lot area required is 4800 square feet and the appellant is proposing 2,643 square feet. 2. Section 357.09(b)(2)(B) which states that the Required Interior Side yard is 11.25 feet and the appellant is proposing 5 feet and 1 foot. This section also states that the aggregate width of the side yards on the same parcel shall not be less than 10 feet and the appellant is proposing 6 feet. 3. Section 357.08(b)(2) which states that the depth of required rear yard shall not be less than ½ the height of the main building or in this case 21 feet 5 inches and a 20 foot rear yard is proposed. 4. Section 341.02(b) which states that City Planning approval is required prior to the issuance of a building permit. (Filed February 12, 2019) http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2019/crr03-18-2019.pdf Edited March 5, 20196 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 5, 20196 yr Pretty sure that's the first of these proposed along Carter. Google maps still doesn't have the new parcel addresses, so it's no surprise it's showing the location wrong. http://www.hortonharper.com/work/carter-road/
March 5, 20196 yr I would assume it's one of these: http://www.hortonharper.com/work/carter-road/ Looks like same developer is registered to the LLC
March 10, 20196 yr On 3/5/2019 at 1:20 PM, RMB said: I would assume it's one of these: http://www.hortonharper.com/work/carter-road/ Looks like same developer is registered to the LLC Ahhhhh ... I was wondering about this sign that I just noticed today as I enjoyed my routine Sunday walk along Carter Road. I realized this wasn't part of the proposed Thunderbird development a bit further down the road ... These townhomes look very nice, but I'm not a fan of removing all of that lush forestry from the hillside. Oh well, such is the price of progress. I've been walking this lonely and desolate stretch of Carter Road for over a decade. I've always relished the serenity and the fact that it was almost always devoid of vehicular traffic and people ... It certainly seems that those days are going to be behind me. Edited March 10, 20196 yr by John D. Baumgardner
March 11, 20196 yr 10 hours ago, John D. Baumgardner said: These townhomes look very nice, but I'm not a fan of removing all of that lush forestry from the hillside. Oh well, such is the price of progress. I would never want to see that area cleared of legit ‘forestry’ but I believe it was Steven Litt who mentioned there’s a significant amount of invasive species along Irishtown Bend/Scranton Peninsula. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
March 12, 20196 yr Author MONDAY, MARCH 11, 2019 New HQ may land on Scranton Peninsula With roughly 80 acres of land, Cleveland's Scranton Peninsula is practically a blank canvas for a developer to pursue their SimCity dreams along a navigable waterway in the heart of a major city. And someone has just planted a big flag on Scranton Peninsula, the largely vacated expanse of land nearly surrounded by the Cuyahoga River a mile south of Public Square. ....Released on March 11, a new marketing brochure shows a glassy, 11-story, cube-shaped corporate headquarters rising next to the planned Great Lakes brewery, along cobblestone streets and overlooking the Cuyahoga River and Columbus Road peninsula. Three of the stories appear to be for parking, above a ground-floor level of retail and/or restaurants. The headquarters building bears an obscure sign "Tenants Name" on the facade. And the marketing piece encourages a headquarters tenant to locate here, suggesting that an end user isn't the firm who is under contract for Lot A, but rather another developer or investor. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/03/new-hq-may-land-on-scranton-peninsula.html Edited March 12, 20196 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 12, 20196 yr Interesting - but in that rendering it looks like they lopped off the crown of Key Tower ? clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
March 12, 20196 yr Author I've noticed that in Google Earth with the 3D buildings layer enabled, the crown of Key Tower disappears from certain angles, including the west side. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 12, 20196 yr On 3/10/2019 at 10:52 PM, MuRrAy HiLL said: “ Starting in the $750,000s” Wow. They're attracting the bored empty nesters from Chagrin Falls and Brecksville.
March 12, 20196 yr Just now, G00pie said: The more the merrier i always say! bring them all downtown!!! Suburbs are really having to compete with Cleveland, and its great.
March 12, 20196 yr More images... with part of the development under contract already (not including Great Lakes Brewery)...
March 12, 20196 yr One could see the possibilities in this "blank canvas" as shown in these 2008 photos I took on a visit the Cleveland.
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