11 minutes ago, coneflower said:

 

I'm just a random person, but my concern is them moving 200 jobs out of Cleveland which I assume would include moving their HQ address. Sure, Ohio City keeps the brewpub but all the jobs and tax revenue from their national sales moves to Avon. If they don't do that, then it's not that big of a deal to me.

I guess that's fair, it hasn't been clear to what extent they will be moving jobs out of Ohio City. There's a lot of conflicting signals, including buying the W25th frontage of their building last year (which doesn't make sense if they are looking to move jobs out of the area). They've given zero reason to think they're reducing their Ohio City presence outside of looking for new real estate. I'd support them doing what's best for the company regardless, but if people are assuming they are moving everything out of Ohio City besides the brewpub I can understand the concern quite a bit more. From what they've said so far, I just think it's likely unwarranted. 

57 minutes ago, Ethan said:

I guess that's fair, it hasn't been clear to what extent they will be moving jobs out of Ohio City. There's a lot of conflicting signals, including buying the W25th frontage of their building last year (which doesn't make sense if they are looking to move jobs out of the area). They've given zero reason to think they're reducing their Ohio City presence outside of looking for new real estate. I'd support them doing what's best for the company regardless, but if people are assuming they are moving everything out of Ohio City besides the brewpub I can understand the concern quite a bit more. From what they've said so far, I just think it's likely unwarranted. 

It was reported they’d be consolidating their canning and brewing into one location no? 

27 minutes ago, JB said:

It was reported they’d be consolidating their canning and brewing into one location no? 

Yes I suppose it was, and that is clearly some of their jobs at the Ohio City location, but I'm sure it's far from all of them. I guess the question is if they move will they keep their business/headquarters jobs in Ohio City. They may also choose to continue to brew some smaller / seasonal batches at the Ohio City location. My guess is that as long as they retain the Ohio City space, they will continue to use it, and given that they're expanding it, and committed to retaining the brewpub, they will continue to retain and use it. That means that most likely a significant chunk of the non restaurant employees will remain in Ohio City. I don't have any inside information, but that's my read of the situation.

17 minutes ago, Ethan said:

Yes I suppose it was, and that is clearly some of their jobs at the Ohio City location, but I'm sure it's far from all of them.

 

There isn't any way to say that for sure because they haven't made their full intentions clear. They have only said they plan to keep the brewpub in Ohio City.

The city needs to stop shedding businesses and workers. Even if they only lose some workers it’d be bad for the city.

 

The rising of Scranton Peninsula is as exciting as Sherwin-Williams new HQ to me. 

25 minutes ago, marty15 said:

The rising of Scranton Peninsula is as exciting as Sherwin-Williams new HQ to me. 

 

It's a beautiful view! I sure hope something can be done to the bulkheads/riverfront by the apartments to really enhance it further.

^I think they should stay as they are; Old Cleveland, meet New Cleveland. 

they're building a walking path above them right? that should enhance the look at least. 

12 hours ago, dwolfi01 said:

they're building a walking path above them right? that should enhance the look at least. 

 

Side note, as these formerly industrial areas get built up they've got to get some ladders and life rings on the bulkheads. Poking my head out in and around down there I can't help but think if someone fell in it'd be bad news. Thankfully the UO mods said I'd be compensated for pain and suffering if I fell in but that's besides the point.

 

And I know there's a better place for this link, but years ago I made a map of all the Cleveland breweries I could dig up (it goes back a page of comments, but yes, a ton were in residential hoods, but Cleveland was also a very different city back then): https://veganbrisket.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=19628b56e7f8479c9261b7700272616c

23 hours ago, marty15 said:

 

The rising of Scranton Peninsula is as exciting as Sherwin-Williams new HQ to me. 

 

I agree.  Scranton Peninsula is the rarest of things, too- a nearly from scratch new neighborhood adjacent to Downtown.

On 3/5/2024 at 9:57 AM, GISguy said:

 

Side note, as these formerly industrial areas get built up they've got to get some ladders and life rings on the bulkheads. Poking my head out in and around down there I can't help but think if someone fell in it'd be bad news.

I feel like they’re already behind I see a lot of people during the summer climbing the bulk head from their boats to get to brewdog, meaning they will drunkenly be doing the reverse 

Not the best photo, but was a cool feeling to drive through and see construction crews at work on two separate projects across the street from each other. 
 

 

26 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said:

Not the best photo, but was a cool feeling to drive through and see construction crews at work on two separate projects across the street from each other. 
 

 

Just thinking out loud, what would be the best location for a tower to fill in the gap between SW and Key in this photo?

^That parking crater triangle thing next to the soon-to-be Hotel Cleveland’s ballroom, on Superior & Prospect. 

^^Or the Bedrock Phase 2 plot just east of the federal courthouse

Edited March 11, 20241 yr by Geowizical

56 minutes ago, Geowizical said:

^^Or the Bedrock Phase 2 plot just east of the federal courthouse

 

Maybe nw corner W 3th and St Clair

Edited March 11, 20241 yr by dski44

F it, let’s do all three!

Pretty sick photo by Matt Lance:

 

 

I never noticed how the new construction sorta compliments the old, see the windows at Brewdog and the adjacent 3 story.    

This must be Silver Hills. 1960 Carter Cleveland OH 44113.

363k sqft bigger than I thought.

 

Edited March 31, 20241 yr by freethink
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On 3/26/2024 at 12:00 PM, MuRrAy HiLL said:

Pretty sick photo by Matt Lance:

 

 

The blank wall on the left of the photo, which is of, I assume, a parking garage, presents a pretty stark view from Columbus Ave. I hope there’s some plans to beautify it. 

6 minutes ago, roman totale XVII said:

The blank wall on the left of the photo, which is of, I assume, a parking garage, presents a pretty stark view from Columbus Ave. I hope there’s some plans to beautify it. 

 

Apartments will wrap around the garage.

 

 

^ Ah. That’s great - thanks! 

I took this photo back in 2008 on a visit to Cleveland. I get all of the completions of a former industrial site but the potential was always there it has taken a long time. This is an entire new neighborhood in such a picturesque area of the city. I'm very pleased to see the contrast.

Edited April 1, 20241 yr by Florida Guy

I’ve been taking my daily walk down Carter Rd through these two projects and the scale of it all is pretty fantastic. I hope when these two are completed we don’t need to wait for better pedestrian connections. Without a street grid the parking options will be slim for visitors as well. 

Drove around the area yesterday. Looks amazing. My only question is are there plans for sidewalks?

15 hours ago, roman totale XVII said:

^ Ah. That’s great - thanks! 

 

The view from Columbus Rd across the river should be OK, but there's still a big blank wall facing Carter Road, no?  I thought that's what you may have been asking about originally. 

Edited April 1, 20241 yr by StapHanger

1 hour ago, cadmen said:

Drove around the area yesterday. Looks amazing. My only question is are there plans for sidewalks?

That entire segment of Carter needs a full depth restoration and completely new roadscape. It's a warzone.

But I have no clue if there are plans to redo the road. I can imagine that would be a city project if so.

47 minutes ago, StapHanger said:

 

The view from Columbus Rd across the river should be OK, but there's still a big blank wall facing Carter Road, no?  I thought that's what you may have been asking about originally. 

Thanks, but it was Columbus I was referring to. I travel that road quite frequently and sat up on the bluffs on the opposite bank of the river, that wall looms large. Now I know it’s apartments, it’s going to look great and with the appearance of some real density. 

Add sidewalks and some retail and we have a brand-new urban neighborhood to enjoy. 

 

Edited April 16, 20241 yr by ASP1984

It's beyond time to reimagine street-level activation beyond retail.  I have no answers as to what make sense for property owners trying to maximize revenue - I just know that the old model is no longer viable, no matter how much we wish it was.  Group work space, exercise space - these types of things would add activity but not necessarily revenue.  Together they would make a district more attractive then driving up rent prices perhaps.  Maybe there's enough density for a dry cleaner, a small coffee shop but I can't image much more.  In my neighborhood 100% of the retail space at the new Top of the Hill apartments is still empty - and this is in an established commercial district with a ton of traffic.  

Were you following me, @ASP1984? 🙂 I was down there taking photos this morning....

 

Theme is "616." Remnants of a Republic Steel ore dock in #Cleveland’s @FlatsForward. 616 apartments rising on the site of the Scranton Peninsula mill in the mid-ground. @SherwinWilliams' 616-foot-tall @DowntownCLE tower under construction in the background. NE Ohio Transitions...

 

The more time I spend in this area of the city, the more I hope the city and GLBC can work out a land swap deal and have GLBC locate on some vacant land in an industrial area (maybe Opp Corridor?). I really feel strongly that having that greenspace there next to the trail is a great natural habitat and could be restored to attract wildlife back to the area. It's just so peaceful when you bike by on it, and it gives a great view of the river and downtown. With the future of this area being much more residential/park focused, the industrial building will feel really out of context for Scranton peninsula.

 

 

This is an interesting construction.

43 minutes ago, ragarcia said:

 

 

This is an interesting construction.

I've never seen a multi-level tiltup before.

On 4/16/2024 at 6:51 PM, noname said:

The more time I spend in this area of the city, the more I hope the city and GLBC can work out a land swap deal and have GLBC locate on some vacant land in an industrial area (maybe Opp Corridor?). I really feel strongly that having that greenspace there next to the trail is a great natural habitat and could be restored to attract wildlife back to the area. It's just so peaceful when you bike by on it, and it gives a great view of the river and downtown. With the future of this area being much more residential/park focused, the industrial building will feel really out of context for Scranton peninsula.

GLBC and great natural habitat restoration don’t need to be mutually exclusive. Just google Stone Brewing in Escondido to see what’s possible! It’s the beer garden for the 21st century 

I wish the city could have buried all the utility lines to beautify the streets.

Anyone know if Carter road is going to get improvements in front of these developments? Seems like sidewalks and at least one lane for street parking will be needed here.

The skyline views from down on Scranton are some of the best. Gonna be an easy seller for all the new apartments. My only complaint is all the telephone poles. Wish they’d be put underground.

Cleveland loves to not bury utilities in new developments. 

11 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said:

Cleveland  Ohio loves to not bury utilities in new developments. 

 

Fixed it.

6 hours ago, marty15 said:

The skyline views from down on Scranton are some of the best. Gonna be an easy seller for all the new apartments. My only complaint is all the telephone poles. Wish they’d be put underground.

 

otoh, if they bury the lines what the heck would the old underground comic book artists have to draw? 😂

 

11 hours ago, marty15 said:

The skyline views from down on Scranton are some of the best. Gonna be an easy seller for all the new apartments. My only complaint is all the telephone poles. Wish they’d be put underground.

 

That looks like a city I would like to live in.

That's a great angle that not many will have seen before. One thing I really value in Cleveland's cityscape is the lack of a cohesive grid Downtown and in its immediate vicinity. It creates interesting angles where buildings are oriented differently in the skyline, vistas are terminated by buildings, there's a layering effect you don't often get with strict gridded cities as much, etc.

A few from today - the Silverhills garage is under construction and will be wrapped by apartments but have to say (from my non-construction background) it looks a little goofy at this stage.

 

 

 

 

I am so confused by how that garage part is going to work or how they're building it lol. Never seen one built like this before it's really interesting. Also looks hilarious right now by looking like most of it is held up by sticks leaning up against it 🤣

yeah that is a very unusual construction style to be sure. also and hopefully its just an optical illusion, but in the second shot yikes it almost looks like its sagging in the middle.

12 hours ago, MayDay said:

A few from today - the Silverhills garage is under construction and will be wrapped by apartments but have to say (from my non-construction background) it looks a little goofy at this stage.

 

 

 

 

I've never seen a prefab parking garage before. The sticks holding up huge concrete slabs are much more typical with data center or warehouse construction. Really interesting to see it applied to a parking garage. Presumably it's cheaper and hopefully it works out well. I'd love to see more garages and less spread out parking lots. 

And how is the garage ventilated?