May 28, 201015 yr Demo of back spaces making way for very needed parking. Sad to lose some of the buildings, but between the inefficiencies of space and the fact that our success is driving our need for more surface spaces, so be it. We will also be adding some green areas to the landscaping. I understand working with the current need, however, I prefer decks with usable space. Surface lots are a joke...and there is no guarantee that if we demolish buildings on St. Clair that a bunch of new development will occur. We have plenty of fill to do right now and its not happening. Look at the classic prime example on prime space right downtown with all those pitiful surface lots near the square and west of it near the WD. If you must create a surface lot, make it appealing for pedestrians as well..... a work of art with some trees/benches bricked areas..and if possible, keep it in the rear of a building so as to not have some giant frontage setback...AND... for GOD'S sake maintain it well! The ones downtown are always littered...they're rippled and busted up seas of impermeable ground which sends more crap into water. Nothing is uglier than those lots, even had we left the aging structures.
May 28, 201015 yr ^I know it sounds like a cop out, but I think it's probably the brokers and tenants who need to have the open mind. I'm sad to see those buildings come down, but happy to see TV thriving. Agreed. The lust for parking is a testament of the culture and times upon which they have been raised. (Auto-dependent with little to no transportation alternatives) If everything is cyclical and we get the alternatives we need someday in this region...there may be some who look back at this one day and say.. "What were they thinking?"
May 29, 201015 yr Demo of back spaces making way for very needed parking. Sad to lose some of the buildings, but between the inefficiencies of space and the fact that our success is driving our need for more surface spaces, so be it. We will also be adding some green areas to the landscaping. I understand working with the current need, however, I prefer decks with usable space. Surface lots are a joke...and there is no guarantee that if we demolish buildings on St. Clair that a bunch of new development will occur. We have plenty of fill to do right now and its not happening. Look at the classic prime example on prime space right downtown with all those pitiful surface lots near the square and west of it near the WD. If you must create a surface lot, make it appealing for pedestrians as well..... a work of art with some trees/benches bricked areas..and if possible, keep it in the rear of a building so as to not have some giant frontage setback...AND... for GOD'S sake maintain it well! The ones downtown are always littered...they're rippled and busted up seas of impermeable ground which sends more crap into water. Nothing is uglier than those lots, even had we left the aging structures. Well, none of the buildings in question were on St.Clair, or even on any street (my point on taking out buildings on st.clair is that there is post ww2 building stock that was not built to last, not all historic buildings are created equal, imo). They were built primarily to support a now non-existent rail spur. I think we all prefer parking decks, but at $25,000.00 per spot minimum, it's not exactly a viable option without heavy subsides, something we've historically found either hard to acquire or extremely restrictive. Btw, if we built a Tyler Village today with the surfacing parking where it's going (tucked away behind the "to the street" buildings) many on this board would praise the design as forward thinking.
May 31, 201015 yr Sounds like you're approaching it in the best possible way. Keep up the good work! Tyler Village is a major success story for Cleveland and a world class model of adaptive re-use.
May 31, 201015 yr ^^ Ok, As long at the lots are out of plain street sight, I can live with that. :-) As I was saying too..they could even have a pedestrian element added..benches...bricked walkways, trees, a small pic-nic shelter, planters, etc...
June 2, 201015 yr Looking for opinions: If there was a housing component at Tyler Village, who do you think the demographic would most likely be.
June 2, 201015 yr Looking for opinions: If there was a housing component at Tyler Village, who do you think the demographic would most likely be. Depends on what type of housing? Regular apartments or condos? Luxury apartments or condos? Townhouses? Mixed retail at base of condo tower? All those types of units would bring a different buyer. If I had to go with a gut guess. I would have to say, young professionals, late 20's - early 30's, who have just moved up one peg on their career path and want to live in a unique area that is up and coming.
June 2, 201015 yr Depends somewhat on the arrangement and the price point. Based on the general area you might get YPs and artists. Gays too. Unattached pioneering types, in general. I don't think you'd get many empty nesters or families with kids.
June 2, 201015 yr Looking for opinions: If there was a housing component at Tyler Village, who do you think the demographic would most likely be. Depends on what type of housing? Regular apartments or condos? Luxury apartments or condos? Townhouses? Mixed retail at base of condo tower? All those types of units would bring a different buyer. If I had to go with a gut guess. I would have to say, young professionals, late 20's - early 30's, who have just moved up one peg on their career path and want to live in a unique area that is up and coming. Apartments built in existing space (no townhouses, no condos). There is curiosity over luxury apartments vs market rate vs more of a live/work style. Retail would be on campus. Keep in mind, no new buildings, only building out what is already existing.
June 2, 201015 yr I think live/work is an excellent demographic to market to as well as the gay community
June 2, 201015 yr Depends somewhat on the arrangement and the price point. Based on the general area you might get YPs and artists. Gays too. Unattached pioneering types, in general. I don't think you'd get many empty nesters or families with kids. I have an add on....What about those who do not wish to have kids? There is a group between 35 and 45 that the city is largely ignoring, who just happens to be some of the ones who can spend the most money in the economy.
June 2, 201015 yr Depends somewhat on the arrangement and the price point. Based on the general area you might get YPs and artists. Gays too. Unattached pioneering types, in general. I don't think you'd get many empty nesters or families with kids. I have an add on....What about those who do not wish to have kids? There is a group between 35 and 45 that the city is largely ignoring, who just happens to be some of the ones who can spend the most money in the economy. Agreed. But someone that age, most likely would want to be in an already established area. I know that if we ever built a condo tower over 30 stories downtown, I would be all over the PH unit, like hot sauce on black beans!
June 2, 201015 yr ^I think that would be the "luxury apartment" group. WW given what tyler is, I would think you would want a combination of market rate apartments that the YP's... particuarly those working at tyler or perhaps some that work downtown would want to locate in... and the live / work lofts, which I could see being a big hit. Personally i don't think at this point there would be nearly as much demand in this area for the luxury lofts. and if you can only develop one type of unit... I'd go with live / work lofts. I think it would be the "safest" choice. This area is already somewhat known for this type of unit, having it located in an environment like tyler with the plaza right across the street would give it a leg up.
June 2, 201015 yr WW given what tyler is, I would think you would want a combination of market rate apartments that the YP's... particuarly those working at tyler or perhaps some that work downtown would want to locate in... and the live / work lofts, which I could see being a big hit. Personally i don't think at this point there would be nearly as much demand in this area for the luxury lofts. and if you can only develop one type of unit... I'd go with live / work lofts. I think it would be the "safest" choice. This area is already somewhat known for this type of unit, having it located in an environment like tyler with the plaza right across the street would give it a leg up. Agreed.
June 2, 201015 yr Live/work lofts/studios for sure IMO. I have one friend who is an artist that loves her big open, light filled space that is "griddy" enough so that she does not care if paint spills on the floor... it just adds character. I have another friend who is a carpenter and keeps all of his tools and other equipment in his loft. I don't see the "luxury" angle working out. If not live/work, I would go with market rate apartments. I would think you are going to have to beat the price points in the CBD to entice tenants to live out there though.... not that it is that far at all, but it is probably beyond what most people would consider walking distance for commute purposes.
June 2, 201015 yr Live/work lofts/studios for sure IMO. I have one friend who is an artist that loves her big open, light filled space that is "griddy" enough so that she does not care if paint spills on the floor... it just adds character. I have another friend who is a carpenter and keeps all of his tools and other equipment in his loft. I don't see the "luxury" angle working out. If not live/work, I would go with market rate apartments. I would think you are going to have to beat the price points in the CBD to entice tenants to live out there though.... not that it is that far at all, but it is probably beyond what most people would consider walking distance for commute purposes. I don't know, Federal Knitting Mills does well, and it's doubtful that most of it's tenants walk to and from work, or even to and from various OC locals. But I agree on the live/work. I'm also wondering if hipster families would be interested knowing they could send their kid to E Prep and Vprep right across 36th street.
June 2, 201015 yr I view OC as a very different market. Not permanently... but it's further along in gentrification, and there's no eastern parallel to WSM and Market Square right now. I believe Asiatown will get there in time. OC also has the benefit of having been more upscale to begin with, in terms of housing stock. How is Tower Press doing? That might be a good analogue, although it's a bit closer to downtown. My gut says market rate would be more appropriate than luxury until there's more development in the area.
June 3, 201015 yr I've never visited a neighborhood or city because they had an interesting surface parking stock. When buildings are torn down you lose the very thing that makes the city interesting. In a city that has been so liberal with demo permits for the past decades, I don't think you're going to get much sympathy here. w28th and everyone else, believe me when I say this. The two buildings that they are tearing down are nothing great. They are both difficult and get in and out of for parking, and they are kinda rundown. (please dont take thing as a knock on tyler village. I'm glad they are tearing these down). Thank you, Tyler Village, for tearing these down and giving us ample parking. I will gladly deal with it not being covered parking, in exchange for actually having a spot everyday, as well as not having to park in a rundown lot. and of course, none of this is the fault of tyler village. They simply inherited what the WS Tyler company (and years of abandonment) left over.
June 3, 201015 yr just popped in on Gotta Groove Records, looks like they went from a two man shop (owner and business partner) to an 8 man shop since they've moved in. Film industry just finished shooting a movie called Lilith here at Tyler. APOC is expanding operations, though it won't be at Tyler, instead it will be at one of our other properties (E.49th and St.Clair).
June 4, 201015 yr There is curiosity over luxury apartments vs market rate vs more of a live/work style. I think live/work when I think of that area.
June 4, 201015 yr I know that if we ever built a condo tower over 30 stories downtown, I would be all over the PH unit, like hot sauce on black beans! Like one on that ugly parking lot at Prospect and East 4th? Mmmmm, urban living... (to be fair, that parking lot is actually one of the better maintained ones and does a better job with lighting than the surrounding city streets)
June 4, 201015 yr I know that if we ever built a condo tower over 30 stories downtown, I would be all over the PH unit, like hot sauce on black beans! Like one on that ugly parking lot at Prospect and East 4th? Mmmmm, urban living... (to be fair, that parking lot is actually one of the better maintained ones and does a better job with lighting than the surrounding city streets) Not there because I want a lake view and east downtown view.
June 4, 201015 yr just popped in on Gotta Groove Records, looks like they went from a two man shop (owner and business partner) to an 8 man shop since they've moved in. Film industry just finished shooting a movie called Lilith here at Tyler. APOC is expanding operations, though it won't be at Tyler, instead it will be at one of our other properties (E.49th and St.Clair). What's at Tyler Village that's open to the public? I don't work there but would really like to check out the space. What should I do? (and sorry about three posts in a row in this thread...)
June 4, 201015 yr What's at Tyler Village that's open to the public? I don't work there but would really like to check out the space. What should I do? (and sorry about three posts in a row in this thread...) If you can give me some advance warning I can take you for a tour. Maybe I'll open it up to anybody on Urban Ohio. Best time to tour is normally a Friday mid/late afternoon (3:45 on). Business' are still open to walk through, but most employees have left and the school is out.
June 4, 201015 yr What's at Tyler Village that's open to the public? I don't work there but would really like to check out the space. What should I do? (and sorry about three posts in a row in this thread...) Indigo Imp Brewery (http://www.indigoimpbrewery.com/home.php) is open to the public for beer sales (cash only) Friday afternoons (2:30 - 5:30).
June 7, 201015 yr Re: Rental spaces, I think live/work has some definite merit, although I would say price point is a huge driver. The difficulty in this neighborhood is that many artists are already living in giant warehouse space that frankly hasn't been brought up to residential code, and as a result, they're able to snag crazy low rents ... I have a friend who has an amazing space overlooking the city, $600 for 2,000 sq. ft. I'm paying $350/mo. for a cute attic loft, around 700 sq. ft. A more polished facility might appeal to the YP crowd, a barebones residential conversion might be more attractive to artists and designers. Or you could take the Tower Press approach and try to hit both markets. I would also think about CSU students as another audience. And I think it would be really great to reach out specifically to an Asian YP crowd. We're in the middle of doing some countywide mapping and surveying of artists that expands on the earlier surveying we did. Should be done around August, if that would be helpful.
June 7, 201015 yr We're in the middle of doing some countywide mapping and surveying of artists that expands on the earlier surveying we did. Should be done around August, if that would be helpful. Interesting project.
June 7, 201015 yr http://twitter.com/TylerVillageCle new twitter page that should be updated frequently.
June 7, 201015 yr Re: Rental spaces, I think live/work has some definite merit, although I would say price point is a huge driver. The difficulty in this neighborhood is that many artists are already living in giant warehouse space that frankly hasn't been brought up to residential code, and as a result, they're able to snag crazy low rents ... I have a friend who has an amazing space overlooking the city, $600 for 2,000 sq. ft. I'm paying $350/mo. for a cute attic loft, around 700 sq. ft. A more polished facility might appeal to the YP crowd, a barebones residential conversion might be more attractive to artists and designers. Or you could take the Tower Press approach and try to hit both markets. I would also think about CSU students as another audience. And I think it would be really great to reach out specifically to an Asian YP crowd. We're in the middle of doing some countywide mapping and surveying of artists that expands on the earlier surveying we did. Should be done around August, if that would be helpful. I hear you.. maybe you can give me a list of the places with illegal live/work happening and I can report to housing authority and create a market! (wait, that sounds underhanded, nevermind). Your market study would be helpful. I think Tower Press is a good modal, actually. Though I think it maybe over leveraged.
June 10, 201015 yr I'm almost scared to post this considering the reaction to my other post about this demo project.. anyway, here's a photo of the last building standing. This sucker really has put up a fight (been a week alone working on it).
June 10, 201015 yr I'm almost scared to post this considering the reaction to my other post about this demo project.. anyway, here's a photo of the last building standing. This sucker really has put up a fight (been a week alone working on it). They dont build them like that anymore!
June 11, 201015 yr http://www.wcpn.org/WCPN/news/31055 Tyler Village and Gotta Groove Records on NPR. Great story.
June 17, 201014 yr All scheduled demo pretty much done. Now in clean up stage and soon landscaping etc. 700+ car parking lot will hopefully maintain the client need for a while and drive more tenants to Tyler Village.
August 9, 201014 yr New Tyler Village promotional pieces we recently developed: Indigo Imp E Prep COO tyler_bethany.mkv
August 9, 201014 yr Tyler Tenant Solutions At Work (SAW) who has been operating an urban farm up on East 55th will have a farmers market at Tyler Village on Wednesday the 11th from 11 Am until 1 PM. (cash only, fyi)
August 10, 201014 yr Nice! Is this something they're hoping to repeat, or just a one-shot deal? I think it might be monthly or bi-weekly.. I'll find out and post.
August 10, 201014 yr Nice! Is this something they're hoping to repeat, or just a one-shot deal? I think it might be monthly or bi-weekly.. I'll find out and post. Weekly: Wednesdays 11-1, cash only.
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