June 3, 200817 yr No, but I was surely laughing at the Gateway Skyway whatever thing in Toledo being "more iconic" than one of Roebling's signature bridges. I damn near spilled my bucket o' biscuits from Popeye's on that one! Most people love the Skyway. You're one of the few haters. Most people outside of Cincinnati have no clue what the Roebling Bridge is, and probably ditto for Glass City Skyway. I don't think that CDM has a problem with the Skyway bridge. I tend to think that the bridge is nice, but it blends in with the other slew of cable-stayed bridges that are going up nowadays as a means to create an iconic structure for an area. It has almost become cliche anymore. Roebling is as much an icon as anything in Ohio (which isn't saying much). It is a powerful local icon and has significant national/historical prominence...Skyway does not. It is a nice bridge, but it is not as prominent as Roebling in Cincy. With that said, why don't we get back to the discussion about a signature structure for Cleveland.
June 3, 200817 yr "This is OHIO, the king of flyover Midwest, the butt of many national jokes, and the state young people are leaving behind." Apparently not ALL young people :roll: clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
June 3, 200817 yr ^Really, two support structures versus one support structure? Yes, the average observer I think would assume that it is simply a smaller bridge (in length) and did not warrant the second support structure. I'm not saying this is right and/or accurate, but just that most people either don't notice the difference in number of supports or simply don't chalk it up as something significant.
June 3, 200817 yr Good Lord, where is an administrator for this thread!!!!!!!!!! BACK ON TOPIC!!!!!!!!!
June 3, 200817 yr :D "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 3, 200817 yr Apparently not ALL young people WOW...some of us don't want to admit they are with others on here that are approaching MIDDLE AGE! lol
June 3, 200817 yr >the "identity crisis" of cities. Nashville did it with country. Ah yes, Music City USA, a city with no more live music than any other city its size. Yes, record companies have major offices there and music and commercials are recorded there, but no need for pesky details like that when you're building a brand. And no need for a real downtown, even one solid urban neighborhood, a respected minority population, etc. >Roebling Bridge First of all if Cincinnati's suspension bridge was in New York City and the Brooklyn Bridge was in Cincinnati the smaller of the two bridges would be the better-known. Nothing important that happened, was invented, or was built in the Midwest gets any respect. That said the U.S. has many small iconic structures. Remember the Alamo? Also C-Dawg hate to bring this up but the cable-stay was invented by John Roebling and its first use was on the Cincinnati bridge in 1866. Now if you look at the bridge today the stays are in a different configuration than they were when the bridge was initially built courtesy of the 1896 deck reconstruction. The stays now anchor to the top member of the deck truss, not the deck joists as was the case originally. You're all looking at the first cable-stays in the world:
June 3, 200817 yr Hold up about NashVegas. Most of the Country Music company's in NashVegas are physically located in 'burbs. ....back to signature structure for cleveland discussion.
June 4, 200817 yr Eh, looks like stacks of shipping containers. They can have it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 4, 200817 yr When I think of buildings/styles that might complement and draw inspiration from the bridges of the Flats, this is what comes to mind: 100 East Pratt Street in Baltimore (photo from beyonddc.com): HSBC Building in Hong Kong (photo from www.e-architect.co.uk): clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
June 5, 200817 yr >Hold up about NashVegas. Real quick...it looks like the Signature Tower has been cancelled. That thing would have been incredible...but is Nashville becoming the new Cincinnati? Get a load of this post: Frankly, I am tired of hearing about this tower. It was announced in October 2004, and 3 1/2 years later, no dirt or rock has been moved. This rings true of West End Summit, two towers of 400 feet announced in 2001 and 7 years later nothing but a hole filling up with ground water. Don't hold your breath people. I like Cleveland's skyline the way it is. Nashville's Signature Tower or something too loud would not work well there. But I think if Cleveland's skyline started "filling in" with more towers of the same style that exist there now it would start looking a bit boxy like Philadelphia and that's not a good thing. It's a dilemma.
June 5, 200817 yr ^That is why I wouldn't want a 60-story tower on Public Square. I'd like to put it in Playhouse Square. Stretch things out and don't concentrate all the tall towers in one area.
June 5, 200817 yr ^That is why I wouldn't want a 60-story tower on Public Square. I'd like to put it in Playhouse Square. Stretch things out and don't concentrate all the tall towers in one area. I agree and i've listed places where towers (over 25 stories) could be built.
June 5, 200817 yr OK, maybe a tiny bit off topic, but I really like how the CMA has integrated the signature elements of its complex into its logo. Cleveland has three [widely] renowned institutions: the Art Museum, the Orchestra and the Clinic. For what it's worth, each has a signature building.
June 8, 200817 yr ^ if only those buildings were as well known as the institutions they are tied to! of course i'd rather the institutions be as first rate & well known as they are instead of flashy buildings. Eh, looks like stacks of shipping containers. They can have it. :roll: a.) quite obviously it's supposed to reflect that b.) the materials look inexpensive, which means of all people you should dig it c.) if this was up say on scranton with the rest of that dutch housing i bet you would be touting how it reflects cle's shipping/industrial heritage - i would be! :laugh:
June 8, 200817 yr Maybe something like this... Wind turbines slowly spin on the Lake Erie waterfront in Lackawanna, N.Y., Thursday, June 7, 2007. The unique "urban" wind farm has sprouted along a stretch of Lake Erie that is too polluted for much else. Eight towering turbines slowly spin on a waterfront site where Bethlehem Steel once stood. http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fJccN70x6f0v
June 9, 200817 yr ^Cleveland already has a wind turbine downtown on the waterfront next to the Great Lakes Science Center, to the immediate east of Cleveland Browns Stadium and just north of the Burnham Malls. It is big, but not quite as big as one of those.
June 9, 200817 yr ^ well you can decide yourself what is more iconic, a single demonstration wind turbine tied to a kids science center or a serious wind farm commitment. :| another pic of "steel winds" in action & a link to an article i remembered reading about it: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/22/nyregion/22wind.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
June 26, 200816 yr Hell, last weekend I talked to a girl from Pittsburgh with a master's degree who didn't even know where Detroit and Toledo were. The only city in Ohio she could locate was Cleveland, and strictly because she hates it (Steelers fan). Geez, Americans really do suck at geography :lol:. I mean, they aren't even THAT far from Pittsburgh.
July 19, 200816 yr http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fJccN70x6f0v THAT i believe is somewhere we could go.
July 21, 200816 yr oh snap! i like that. but i also think the new euclid corridor bus stops will become kind of iconic too. :-D
January 26, 201213 yr Is anyone familiar with Waterfire Columbus? An installation piece, which originated in Providence, RI, where cauldrons of fire are placed along the Scioto River? I have to admit that when I first saw that Columbus was getting it, I was not happy. I mean, if ANY city deserves to have an installation piece that sets its river on fire, that city is CLEVELAND, all the way! :-D Although, realistically, I understand that the Cuyahoga River is still used for navigation, so placing an installation piece in the river is probably not practical. What Waterfire Columbus looks like: <img src="http://www.dispatch.com/content/graphics/2011/05/21/b78184924z-1-20110521071738-000gojckevm-2-0.jpg" />
January 27, 201213 yr I think we already have the perfect tribute to the Cuyahoga river fires :-) clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
January 27, 201213 yr I think we already have the perfect tribute to the Cuyahoga river fires :-) There's another perfect tribute, though few ever make the connection: http://www.epa.gov/ You're welcome, America. (And no, I'm not saying that sarcastically.)
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