Posted June 4, 200817 yr I was riding my bike over to my parents and snapped a few pics of my parents neighbors homes. Most of these were taken on South Park between Lee and Courtland. I did take pictures of the Shaker Lakes and the Halle Mansion but for some reason I had the wrong settings so they look like crap. I'll do better next time. Welcome to the land of circular drives! Enjoy the 'burbs! :| The one picture of the Upper Shaker Lakes that did come out OK. The parks were packed. The most famous Shaker Mansion.
June 4, 200817 yr A Doctor IIRC. I have to ask my mom or the next door neighbors. You know how those nosey suburban neighbors are! they know everything, but don't know nothin'! lol
June 4, 200817 yr I just want a nice gate and fortress-like walls around our place in Tremont. Nothing too over-the-top, just something like this to give it that "cozy compound" feeling: clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
June 4, 200817 yr This neighborhood makes me love sprawl! My dad grew up in Shaker. How he turned into a drug addict since the Regan era, I have no clue. I don't know why his parents ended up moving to Atlanta. I would take this neighborhood over the crap they built near Alpharetta.
June 4, 200817 yr ^Errr, this is an inner-ring 'burb. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
June 4, 200817 yr Yeah but the mansions are pretty sprawly. I take it this is the eastern part of Shaker?
June 4, 200817 yr Where is/was the Halle mansion? Halle Bros. It's on Park Drive, which is between South Park and North Park. It's the biggest "home" in Shaker. They have an unparallelled view of Horseshoe lake. Yeah but the mansions are pretty sprawly. I take it this is the eastern part of Shaker? Nope, Most of the Boulevards in shaker (and for that matter Cleveland Hts.) run the entire lenght of the city. South Park has gracious homes from Coventry to Warrensville. However, the the majority of the lots are not "sprawled" out.
June 4, 200817 yr Yeah but the mansions are pretty sprawly. I take it this is the eastern part of Shaker? As M2S says, they aren't. I think that is one of the reasons why Shaker and Cleveland Hts are so beautiful. The integration of nature, beautiful homes, dense neighborhoods and light rail is very unique.
June 4, 200817 yr My father grew up on South Park Boulevard in the 1930s and 40s. His home is the second-to-last one on the left heading east before you get to Warrensville Road. It's a beautiful tudor home and he still misses living there. BTW, very pretty pictures! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 4, 200817 yr I feel I'm the only one reading this thread who did not grow up in ritzy Shaker Heights (excuuuuse me!). Regarding Halle Bros: It went out of business ages ago, so a lot of the younger folks might not realize that was a major, upscale department store--sort of like the Saks 5th Ave. of Cleveland (flagship on Playhouse Square). Also, in the 60's Halle's had a bizarre character called "Mr. Jingeling" around Christmas who (with his assistant the "Play Lady"--I cannot make this up) would make appearances on a local children's tv show, all of course, for the purpose of selling more toys at Halle's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Jingeling. And let us not forget that this store was also the namesake of that famous native Clevelander of the big screen--Halle Berry. http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
June 4, 200817 yr My father grew up on South Park Boulevard in the 1930s and 40s. His home is the second-to-last one on the left heading east before you get to Warrensville Road. It's a beautiful tudor home and he still misses living there. BTW, very pretty pictures! At Sherbrooke? Those three homes are gorgeous! South Park is beautiful, but I just have painful memories of yard work. My father had my brother and I out there working on that lawn like two slaves. And shoveling snow.....the pain! That is the main reason I never want to live in a single family home.
June 4, 200817 yr I feel I'm the only one reading this thread who did not grow up in ritzy Shaker Heights (excuuuuse me!). Regarding Halle Bros: It went out of business ages ago, so a lot of the younger folks might not realize that was a major, upscale department store--sort of like the Saks 5th Ave. of Cleveland (flagship on Playhouse Square). Also, in the 60's Halle's had a bizarre character called "Mr. Jingeling" around Christmas who (with his assistant the "Play Lady"--I cannot make this up) would make appearances on a local children's tv show, all of course, for the purpose of selling more toys at Halle's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Jingeling. And let us not forget that this store was also the namesake of that famous native Clevelander of the big screen--Halle Berry. Actually Halle's was on par with Bergorf-Goodman, Neiman-Marcus or I. Magnin. Halle's was the shiznit!! But Cleveland had great department stores. Higbees (downtown) wasn't bad, but Halle's had everyone beat. Halle's windows were always cutting edge! I loved taking the train to Shaker Square to shop with my mom just to look in the Halle's window. The Severance Halle's was heaven. I loved Mr. Jingeling...Geez im old!
June 4, 200817 yr Inner-ring, old-fashioned burbs (I'm guessing this one is a streetcar suburb). Nice for a bike ride, but not much else. No picture of Stan or Cartman? Sorry. :-(
June 4, 200817 yr Inner-ring, old-fashioned burbs (I'm guessing this one is a streetcar suburb). Nice for a bike ride, but not much else. No picture of Stan or Cartman? Sorry. :-( Shaker Square is the gateway to Shaker Hts. Shaker Hts.(and adjacent Cleveland Hts.) is a street car suburb as you witnessed yourself.
June 4, 200817 yr Looks like Oakwood in Dayton, Hyde Park in Cincinnati, and Point Breeze(?) in Pittsburgh. Nice hood
June 4, 200817 yr ^I was thinking the exact same thing. Are those neighborhoods in Dayton, Cincinnati or Pittsburgh proper or suburbs?
June 4, 200817 yr Hyde Park is an inner ring suburb. I don't know much about Oakwood other than knowing a few people from there, and I don't know anything about Point Breeze other than seeing it in pictures. Hyde Park is old money and It's probably safe to say that's true for all of them. They all seem to be well established neighborhoods with great landscaping near the city. You should check out Hyde Park some time. They have a great square. I'm sure all of the neighborhoods have similar dynamics, especially since they're in the same state or region. Hyde Park has dense areas and then areas like this with gated compounds. The only difference is that Hyde Park is actually a part of Cincinnati.
June 4, 200817 yr Hyde Park is an inner ring suburb. I don't know much about Oakwood other than knowing a few people from there, and I don't know anything about Point Breeze other than seeing it in pictures. Hyde Park is old money and It's probably safe to say that's true for all of them. They all seem to be well established neighborhoods with great landscaping near the city. You should check out Hyde Park some time. They have a great square. I'm sure all of the neighborhoods have similar dynamics, especially since they're in the same state or region. Hyde Park has dense areas and then areas like this with gated compounds. The only difference is that Hyde Park is actually a part of Cincinnati. Those areas sound like Shaker Square, Edgewater or the south portion of Glenville, here in Cleveland.
June 4, 200817 yr Well there's other areas similar to Hyde Park here, like E. Walnut Hills, Amberly Village, Clifton, and North Avondale, it just seems especially similar to Hyde Park based on architectural styles and a good emphasis on landscaping.
June 4, 200817 yr Great Pics!!!! I love Shaker. I looked at two condos on Van Aken, one for $17,500 and one was $25,900. Other then point and new carpet, they were pretty nice units. Think they were forclosures. But anyways, I loved the area and the Rapid was right in front of the building which is a big plus! Granted, I'm not a huge fan of Greater Cleveland, but I will say one thing, its really affordable and Shaker is lovely!!!! Those two apartments might have been cheap...go a few blocks north or east, it's a whole different pricing ball game.
June 5, 200817 yr ^I was thinking the exact same thing. Are those neighborhoods in Dayton, Cincinnati or Pittsburgh proper or suburbs? Hyde Park is in Cincinnati city; Point Breeze is nothing like these pics but it's a neighborhood in Pittsburgh; Oakwood is a separate city from Dayton (much like Shaker Heights is to Cleveland). If a Pittsburgh neighborhood is going to be compared to that, Squirrel Hill is the closest for spaciousness but Shadyside for grandness. As for Cincinnati, I'd use Glendale/Wyoming for the comparison over Hyde Park (Glendale has some whoppers). "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 5, 200817 yr Attractive, thanks for sharing. SH is the shizz It's ok. I don't mean to seem ungrateful, I love my parents home and appreciate all they did for my brother and I, but I couldn't wait to escape Shaker. I hated it with a passion as a kid/teenager. Now, as a seasoned adult I realize how wasteful my family was. Four people living in a 6k+ square foot house. I'm trying to get my parents to move into my building so I can convince my brother and his family to move into my parents house. Although I'd have give my SOL a laundry list of ground rules!
June 6, 200817 yr Opps, I just reread the title to this thread...and the whole time I thought it was Parma!
June 6, 200817 yr Opps, I just reread the title to this thread...and the whole time I thought it was Parma! GASP! The Horror!
June 6, 200817 yr Hey, can residents of Shaker Square attend the Shaker school system, even though it's in Cleveland technically?
June 6, 200817 yr Yes, residents of Shaker Square have been PAYING to attend Shaker Hts. schools. Why is part of Cleveland in the Shaker Heights School District? Are residents of that area eligible to vote on the levy? In Ohio, school district boundaries are not always coterminous with municipal boundaries. An area of Cleveland around Shaker Square (about one square mile in area) has been part of the Shaker Heights City School District since 1912 (see shaded area of map). Residents of this portion of the School District pay the same school taxes as do residents of Shaker Heights. They are entitled to send their children to the Shaker Heights schools and they are entitled to vote on Shaker school levies, bond issues, and Board of Education candidates.
June 6, 200817 yr Interesting. This is getting off topic but isn't there also a small part of Beachwood that actually belongs to the Orange School system, which baffles me since both school systems are excellent.
June 6, 200817 yr Interesting. This is getting off topic but isn't there also a small part of Beachwood that actually belongs to the Orange School system, which baffles me since both school systems are excellent. lots of school districts cross boundaries. People who live in the Forest Hills / Caldonia section of Cleveland Hts. their children go to East Cleveland Schools Parts of South Euclid Belong to the CH-UH School system. There are some South East suburbs that have "strange" arrangements as well. It's not uncommon
June 6, 200817 yr i think part of the reason there are wacky school district boundaries is from some time in the past when there may have been better transportation from a farm on the outskirts of one jurisdiction to a school in a neighboring jurisdiction, than within its own. i read something to that effect once. also some cities annexed across school district lines, leaving them unchanged. here's a property tax map delineated by cities and the overlapping school districts. http://www.cleveland.com/pdgraphics/interactive/propertytax2007/ you can see all the pieces that don't fit nicely within city boundaries.
June 6, 200817 yr Interesting. This is getting off topic but isn't there also a small part of Beachwood that actually belongs to the Orange School system, which baffles me since both school systems are excellent. I can't speak to Beachwood, but I know the easternmost section of Warrensville Heights goes to Orange schools, as does the very northern portion of Solon (on the south side of Miles).
June 6, 200817 yr Here's a good map of Cuyahoga County school districts: http://www.puc.state.oh.us/pucogis/sd2007_pdf/sd035.pdf
June 7, 200817 yr I believe the last pic is Danny Ferry's house (corner of South Park and Courtland). Hope I did not out him...although its not like anybody really would care to stalk him, especially any UOers.
June 8, 200817 yr Attractive, thanks for sharing. SH is the shizz It's ok. I don't mean to seem ungrateful, I love my parents home and appreciate all they did for my brother and I, but I couldn't wait to escape Shaker. I hated it with a passion as a kid/teenager. We always think the grass is greener somewhere else!
June 8, 200817 yr it's not that, I just think my mom tried to shelter us from everything. I felt like my cousins who lived in Glenville, Ohio City or Clark were better prepared for life after home than I was. They lived in diverse area's, had way more street smarts and although Shaker is integrated, when I was in school, the minority population was so small. I remember, in third grade, when my best friend came to school, I ran home to tell my mother that there was another brown kid at school. I wanted to go to a black college, although I was greatly disappointed with Wright & Central State, Howard and Morehouse. I just felt so out of place in Shaker. I don't know how to describe it, but I just wanted out and out of Cleveland and Ohio.
June 9, 200817 yr Attractive, thanks for sharing. SH is the shizz It's ok. I don't mean to seem ungrateful, I love my parents home and appreciate all they did for my brother and I, but I couldn't wait to escape Shaker. I hated it with a passion as a kid/teenager. Understandable! Easy there. SH has a lot to offer. Good schools, great neighborhoods, diverse population, culture, access to rail, nature, etc. Lets remember that south park blvd, as beautiful and amazing as the homes are, is only a part of the city. Its not all mansions. Shaker was also a pioneer in school de-segregation. No town is perfect, but its a great place to live for a lot of people.
June 9, 200817 yr it's not that, I just think my mom tried to shelter us from everything. I felt like my cousins who lived in Glenville, Ohio City or Clark were better prepared for life after home than I was. They lived in diverse area's, had way more street smarts and although Shaker is integrated, when I was in school, the minority population was so small. I remember, in third grade, when my best friend came to school, I ran home to tell my mother that there was another brown kid at school. I wanted to go to a black college, although I was greatly disappointed with Wright & Central State, Howard and Morehouse. I just felt so out of place in Shaker. I don't know how to describe it, but I just wanted out and out of Cleveland and Ohio. I was a fish out of water too, just from the opposite end of the spectrum. When you live in the inner city you think of the upper class suburbs as being the "American dream", that's how it's portrayed, thats what I meant when I said it seems like the grass is always greener. Coming to this site a few years ago was weird for me, seeing people talk about it from a different perspective, then I changed my major to Urban Planning and basically heard everything people say on this site.
June 9, 200817 yr Attractive, thanks for sharing. SH is the shizz It's ok. I don't mean to seem ungrateful, I love my parents home and appreciate all they did for my brother and I, but I couldn't wait to escape Shaker. I hated it with a passion as a kid/teenager. Understandable! Easy there. SH has a lot to offer. Good schools, great neighborhoods, diverse population, culture, access to rail, nature, etc. Lets remember that south park blvd, as beautiful and amazing as the homes are, is only a part of the city. Its not all mansions. Shaker was also a pioneer in school de-segregation. No town is perfect, but its a great place to live for a lot of people. I'm talking about the 70's and early 80's. I went to Malvern, which is no longer open. There weren't a whole lot of children of color that attended. The make up of Shaker today is drastically different than it was 25 years ago.
June 12, 200817 yr While Shaker is a fine example of a planned streetcar suburbs and these homes (and many more) are beautiful, much of Shaker is working class, white flight continues to plague the city and the taxes are the highest in the state. The future unfortunately does not look bright for Shaker. The rich will stay, send their kids to private schools and most the upper middle class (except for the liberals seeking an extremely diverse schooling for their kids) will continue to flee to Beachwood or points east. Not to mention an extremely high foreclosure rate; My money says don't buy in Shaker....you won't make a thing.
June 12, 200817 yr While Shaker is a fine example of a planned streetcar suburbs and these homes (and many more) are beautiful, much of Shaker is working class, white flight continues to plague the city and the taxes are the highest in the state. The future unfortunately does not look bright for Shaker. The rich will stay, send their kids to private schools and most the upper middle class (except for the liberals seeking an extremely diverse schooling for their kids) will continue to flee to Beachwood or points east. Not to mention an extremely high foreclosure rate; My money says don't buy in Shaker....you won't make a thing. WTF?? :wtf: And where EXACTLY do you live? Most of the kids on South Park went to Shaker Public Schools. There are very few families with school age kids on SP now, but most of the families near my brother, Cousins send their kids to SPS. High foreclosure rate? You're up to date and current source is? Let me guess, you're a real estate agent.
June 12, 200817 yr While Shaker is a fine example of a planned streetcar suburbs and these homes (and many more) are beautiful, much of Shaker is working class, white flight continues to plague the city and the taxes are the highest in the state. The future unfortunately does not look bright for Shaker. The rich will stay, send their kids to private schools and most the upper middle class (except for the liberals seeking an extremely diverse schooling for their kids) will continue to flee to Beachwood or points east. Not to mention an extremely high foreclosure rate; My money says don't buy in Shaker....you won't make a thing. Are you on smack!? Judging from history, the only way I could see that happening is maybe if there was racially charged riots nearby or something. Looking at the demographics online I'd hardly call it "working class". I hate that term by the way; granted the more money you make, the less you work but they still work.
June 12, 200817 yr While Shaker is a fine example of a planned streetcar suburbs and these homes (and many more) are beautiful, much of Shaker is working class, white flight continues to plague the city and the taxes are the highest in the state. The future unfortunately does not look bright for Shaker. The rich will stay, send their kids to private schools and most the upper middle class (except for the liberals seeking an extremely diverse schooling for their kids) will continue to flee to Beachwood or points east. Not to mention an extremely high foreclosure rate; My money says don't buy in Shaker....you won't make a thing. Are you on smack!? Judging from history, the only way I could see that happening is maybe if there was racially charged riots nearby or something. Looking at the demographics online I'd hardly call it "working class". I hate that term by the way; granted the more money you make, the less you work but they still work. Cleveland Hts. and Shaker Hts. have lots of working class neighborhoods, however, on the surface they appear upper middle class. I'd say that upper class neighborhoods, are a small part of CH & SH, with a sizeable proportion of upper middle class and middle class neighborhoods. The incident with the lawyer who was beaten is a prime example why white flight will not happen in shaker hts or cleveland hts. the neighborhoods are strong and people value their neighbors.
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