Here is part 2 of my Cleveland photos...Clevelanders beware not all of these photos are flattering.

 

 

1. More Downtown

 

2. This ones for you MayDay

 

3. You decide which is better, this...

 

4. ...or this?

 

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7. Propaganda

 

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9. This was one of the most shocking things to me about Cleveland on this visit...the lack of activity Downtown.  I know it was a Sunday and it was ridiculously hot, but still shocking.

 

10. The Flats = more cool architecture

 

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12. KJP this one is for you...

 

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16. Ohio City was a bit disappointing as well (there were some great spots, just not shown here)

 

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18. Large houses along the lake

 

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23. Neat little cove area

 

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25. Why don't Clevelanders show off their beach more?

 

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27. So long from Cleveland

And who says ColDayMan is biased against Cleveland.  I give all my Ohio cities great tours :).

10. The Flats

 

Not quite.... check out the Warehouse District on your next visit.  :wink:

 

great shots though.

Once again, phenonmenal pictures!  I especially like your pics of the federal building and the Lakewood residential tower.  They're dizzying; and I love the way windows and balconies, steel and glass can look totally abstract when shot the right way. 

 

A question, though: what was it that disappointed you about Ohio City?  I'm curious to know a) what you expected, and b) what you found.

Nice.

 

No Eastside pics?  hummmph! :roll:

 

There is no activity on that part of Downtown on a Saturday or sunday as you were on the "banking wall".  Its all businesses towers there.  All residential is East (the avenue district), West (public Sq., the Warehouse District) or South (Gateway/East Ninth) of that point.

 

 

Looks like you guys went a lot of places.  Another nice set!

A question, though: what was it that disappointed you about Ohio City?  I'm curious to know a) what you expected, and b) what you found.

 

I just expected more activity and a nicer business district area.  Overall I found the business area to be small and average by my standards for neighborhood business districts (although I'm spoiled by Cincy's NBDs).  It was alright and the neighborhood looked to have lots of potential (especially given its proximity to Downtown) but it just didn't live up to much of the hype I've heard from Clevelanders.

the ohio city photo you took is hardly telling of oc.  the heart of oc is the w25th and lorain area, about five blocks south, around the west side market.  because it was a sunday, you missed out on market day too.  nice photos though. 

Yeah, W25th and Detroit isn't exactly the core of Ohio City.

This has to be one of the worst high-rises in OH:

 

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e33/UncleRando/Cleveland/IMG_7519.jpg

 

Once again, beautiful set!

This has to be one of the worst high-rises in OH:

 

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e33/UncleRando/Cleveland/IMG_7519.jpg

 

Once again, beautiful set!

 

Actually, I think that it is one of the best. Have you seen it from all sides in person?

:-(

the ohio city photo you took is hardly telling of oc.  the heart of oc is the w25th and lorain area, about five blocks south, around the west side market.  because it was a sunday, you missed out on market day too.  nice photos though.

 

I know that picture isn't telling, but the core area of OC was what I was talking about...even though I only showed that one unflattering picture.

The OC's main stretch is pretty dead on Sundays. There is a secondary cbd for the OC--the intersections of Fulton, Bridge and 32nd.

 

Take a look at Ohio City on a Saturday afternoon and you'll leave with a much different feeling.

Lack of weekend downtown activity on non-game days can be a problem during the daytime, but that'll change as the countless projects begin/open up more downtown living.

The OC's main stretch is pretty dead on Sundays. There is a secondary cbd for the OC--the intersections of Fulton, Bridge and 32nd.

 

Take a look at Ohio City on a Saturday afternoon and you'll leave with a much different feeling.

 

I was blown away when we UO folks biked around the area on May 31.  The market was bustling, as was Open Air at Market Square.  The breast cancer walk was also going around the market as well.

 

But when I tried to go to Great Lakes the next day on Sunday afternoon, the neighborhood was a ghost town.  I had no idea that pretty much all of the restaurants are closed. 

The best part of Urbanohio are these picture forums.  I wish mine would come out half as good.

I'm not sure why this is, but it seems like Tremont really takes over on Sundays. Perhaps it has much to do with folks taking their repasts at Lucky's, Civilization, or Grumpy's.

Yeah, it seems like life's generally pretty hard for businesses in the OC.  Other than some great dining options (Flying Fig, Great Lakes, Momocho, etc), there isn't a whole lot of interesting retail activity to speak of. 

 

It has some really lovely residential architecture and lots of pleasant tree-lined streets, but it's rough-around-the-edges essence has been hard to shake, which means some folks are reluctant to spend time out and about, which means less-than-ideal foot traffic, which tends to be tough on retailers.  In all, far too many malls, not enough neighborhood businesses in C-Town (of course, I know it's not the only place with that problem)

 

So I can understand that you weren't really blown away by the OC....we "Ohio Citians" ("Citiers"?) really do tend to talk it up; probably cuz it's such a great place to live!  Thanks for your honest perspective, though  :-)

Yeah, it seems like life's generally pretty hard for businesses in the OC.  Other than some great dining options (Flying Fig, Great Lakes, Momocho, etc), there isn't a whole lot of interesting retail activity to speak of. 

 

It has some really lovely residential architecture and lots of pleasant tree-lined streets, but it's rough-around-the-edges essence has been hard to shake, which means some folks are reluctant to spend time out and about, which means less-than-ideal foot traffic, which tends to be tough on retailers.  In all, far too many malls, not enough neighborhood businesses in C-Town (of course, I know it's not the only place with that problem)

 

So I can understand that you weren't really blown away by the OC....we "Ohio Citians" ("Citiers"?) really do tend to talk it up; probably cuz it's such a great place to live!  Thanks for your honest perspective, though  :-)

 

I don't find the area "rough around the edges" and that statement is really generalizing.  Granted I don't live in OC and am not there on a day-in-day-out basis.

 

Personally, I think unclerando, would have a better appreciation for our neighborhoods if he spent more that one day here.

 

But then again, he made those comments to get a rise out those of us who live in Ohio's greatest and grandest city.  'nu ff said!

Personally, I think unclerando, would have a better appreciation for our neighborhoods if he spent more that one day here.

 

I want to definitely come back and check out more of Cleveland Heights (gorgeous area)...but ColDay' whirlwind tours cover a lot and he dishes out tons of info.  He also did not give his opinions until I was able to come up with my own.

 

But then again, he made those comments to get a rise out those of us who live in Ohio's greatest and grandest city.  'nu ff said!

 

Nope I didn't want these threads to turn into pissing matches between Cincy and Cleveland.  So I did my usual thing of doing my best to take flattering pictures with activity and cool architecture.  The negative comments are just my honest opinions.  Cleveland has some work to do...but then again what city doesn't?

 

On a side note, the greatest and grandest shenanigans is getting old.  Cleveland didn't feel any bigger/grander than Columbus and/or Cincy.

I don't know about 'Greatest' (the jury is still out for me on that one), but I do think Cleveland gets the title of 'Grandest,' not to say that other cities don't deserve different adjectives that are just as flattering (or even moreso). Between the wide streets (most with appropriately scaled buildings so they don't always seem so), the expansive square (and how Terminal Tower plays off it), the formal mall (and flanking civic buildings), the bridges (both in their shear size/scale and how downtown stands so massive when approached on them, especially Lorain Carnegie), the lake, etc., etc., (you can say Burnham if you want) the city is most deserving of such a title.

ink,

 

Are you Inkaelin?

^Yep.

ink,

 

Are you Inkaelin?

 

I was just noticed that as well.

 

I thought it was announced that when a person changes their name, their previous name was to be added to your profile?

Can it really be that hard? Many called me ink before.

 

:wink:

This has to be one of the worst high-rises in OH:

 

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e33/UncleRando/Cleveland/IMG_7519.jpg

 

Once again, beautiful set!

 

Actually, I think that it is one of the best. Have you seen it from all sides in person?

 

I usually side with older architecture more and yes, I also received the CDM tour ... all 12-freakin-hours of it! lol

 

Too lazy, but what year was it built? There's nothing wrong with me not liking it, I just don't. If you think I'm being biased here, I'll say Atrium I and II in DT Cincy look like ass too, fair enough? ;)

What about from this angle?

This has to be one of the worst high-rises in OH:

 

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e33/UncleRando/Cleveland/IMG_7519.jpg

 

Once again, beautiful set!

 

Actually, I think that it is one of the best. Have you seen it from all sides in person?

 

I usually side with older architecture more and yes, I also received the CDM tour ... all 12-freakin-hours of it! lol

 

Too lazy, but what year was it built? There's nothing wrong with me not liking it, I just don't. If you think I'm being biased here, I'll say Atrium I and II in DT Cincy look like ass too, fair enough? ;)

 

Federal Courthouse building. Built in 2002.

This has to be one of the worst high-rises in OH:

 

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e33/UncleRando/Cleveland/IMG_7519.jpg

 

Once again, beautiful set!

 

Actually, I think that it is one of the best. Have you seen it from all sides in person?

 

I usually side with older architecture more and yes, I also received the CDM tour ... all 12-freakin-hours of it! lol

 

Too lazy, but what year was it built? There's nothing wrong with me not liking it, I just don't. If you think I'm being biased here, I'll say Atrium I and II in DT Cincy look like ass too, fair enough? ;)

 

No no no. I hate the comparison stuff. You included a flicker link that showed only the backside of the building. So, I figured that is all you know about the building.

 

I've debated the architectural merits of this building with a friend of mine lately, so debate is on my mind. I also think that my friend knows nothing about good architecture and thinks that everything must be beaux arts. ;)

 

I love the large cornice and the bronze statue, the odd angles and the general play between the older surroundings and the newer elements.

I lived in Ohio City from my birth until leaving for college.  In those years I was mugged in the neighborhood 3 times.  Twice at gunpoint.  I've noticed that many UO posters are put off by the PD's portrayal of Cleveland as a dangerous city; but hey, in my experience... it kind of is. 

 

I LOVE Ohio City, but it has a long way to go before it can be compared to the "nice" neighborhoods of America's more prosperous metropolises.  The disturbingly frequent violent crime (not to mention home break-ins, car theft, etc) make it, in my opinion, pretty "rough around the edges". 

No, it's not the angle, it's the body of the building itself as well as the windows and their pattern. I thought the building by looking at it would have been built in the 80's, not '92. Yes, I've seen the building from all angles too. It's on par with the 5/3 building in Cincy IMO. I think it's unpleasing to the eye and hurts Cleveland's skyline.

I avoid visiting places on Sunday. Still looks like you got to see some of the good stuff, though with less people. I just wish there were maps at the stations so you could see which streets to walk to for retail, restaurants, bars ,etc. Getting off at the stops next to the bridges in the Flats where it's like, "Well, you're on your own now!" just left us looking around and scratching our heads as to where to go from there. But the RTA is not at all confusing and I liked it a lot.

4 over 3

 

Great shots Randy :)

I'll give it a B. Nice shots but that Photoshopping is distracting.

No, it's not the angle, it's the body of the building itself as well as the windows and their pattern. I thought the building by looking at it would have been built in the 80's, not '92. Yes, I've seen the building from all angles too. It's on par with the 5/3 building in Cincy IMO. I think it's unpleasing to the eye and hurts Cleveland's skyline.

 

2002!!! (Guess that makes it worse in your opinion, lol.)

I lived in Ohio City from my birth until leaving for college. In those years I was mugged in the neighborhood 3 times. Twice at gunpoint. I've noticed that many UO posters are put off by the PD's portrayal of Cleveland as a dangerous city; but hey, in my experience... it kind of is.

 

I LOVE Ohio City, but it has a long way to go before it can be compared to the "nice" neighborhoods of America's more prosperous metropolises. The disturbingly frequent violent crime (not to mention home break-ins, car theft, etc) make it, in my opinion, pretty "rough around the edges".

 

Fair comments. I think that people feel that once some momentum starts that the neighborhood should become gentrified very soon. There are thousands of public housing units on the edges of Ohio City that are not going anywhere. No matter how many homes are renovated, there will always be a rougher edge to Ohio City. Tremont, on the hand, doesn't face the same challenges and has seen much more development. Ohio City, for its obvious landmarks and popular establishments, has more expected of it.

No, it's not the angle, it's the body of the building itself as well as the windows and their pattern. I thought the building by looking at it would have been built in the 80's, not '92. Yes, I've seen the building from all angles too. It's on par with the 5/3 building in Cincy IMO. I think it's unpleasing to the eye and hurts Cleveland's skyline.

 

2002!!! (Guess that makes it worse in your opinion, lol.)

 

2002!? Someone upthread said '92? lol ... yep, that's pretty bad. lol.

I personally think the Federal Courthouse looks like a gigantic bar-code, as if westsiders were "checking out" of Cleveland.  I agree it ruins the skyline, much like 5/3rd in Cincinnati or most of the buildings in the Columbus skyline ;).

I don't know about 'Greatest' (the jury is still out for me on that one), but I do think Cleveland gets the title of 'Grandest,' not to say that other cities don't deserve different adjectives that are just as flattering (or even moreso). Between the wide streets (most with appropriately scaled buildings so they don't always seem so), the expansive square (and how Terminal Tower plays off it), the formal mall (and flanking civic buildings), the bridges (both in their shear size/scale and how downtown stands so massive when approached on them, especially Lorain Carnegie), the lake, etc., etc., (you can say Burnham if you want) the city is most deserving of such a title.

 

Certainly agreed.  Cleveland's downtown and scale is certainly "large scale" due to the whole Burnham plan yet I think the wide streets in Superior's case hurts downtown while Euclid seems more personable.

Thank you, Hytower.  Now back to Athens you go...

^Thank you Rhodes dungeon of death. Go back to CHUD town.

 

You didn't even try that time (I hope you didn't, atleast).

I personally think the Federal Courthouse looks like a gigantic bar-code, as if westsiders were "checking out" of Cleveland. I agree it ruins the skyline, much like 5/3rd in Cincinnati or most of the buildings in the Columbus skyline ;).

 

The Cleveland Courthouse absolutely murders Fifth Third in Nati or any of the monsters in Bustown.

 

They are all horrible, saying one looks more like ass than the other doesn't say much. lol.

Nice set as well Rando.

Since the Stokes Courthouse has been brought up and discussed, I have to ask, why is there an oversized copy of the Venus de Milo on the side of the building? It looks terribly odd and out of place.

^ It's all about making the "new" seem "old", that's why.

^^Plus, it's by a really famous Ohio-born artist!!!

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Dine

 

No but really, I agree with you.  I think the sculpture itself is okay, but it looks really out of place perched above the main entrance like that.  Does anybody remember how much they paid for that thing?  A couple million if I'm not mistaken...

edit: me too 3231. btw it's better looking than brooklyn's fed courthouse that was built around the same time. that one is nice, but much blander -- the cleveland version is a jaunty looking tower & i like it fine, esp for a new government building.

 

brooklyn's is a pelli, which you can probably pretty easily tell (built 2000-2004)

 

nice series unclerando, i see you ran into the sunday "where'd the people go?" thing too. thats's a downer when we visit too. that's what happens when half of your population moves away. well, at least you guys finally found the people....they were all at the beach!

 

one clarification: fyi the rta poster is not exactly mere propaganda. rta was voted best large city transit system in america by apta. again. but that's ok we realize having no local experience with a for real transit system you wouldn't understand :wink: so here's a link:

 

http://www.gcrta.org/nu_newsroom_releases.asp?listingid=1096

 

 

"Does anybody remember how much they paid for that thing?  A couple million if I'm not mistaken..."

 

Approximately $880,000. It's hardly the "gleaming, light-catching" piece that the artist (and Steven Litt, the PD's art/architecture critic) said that it would be.

"light-catching"?

 

errr...    :|