February 4, 201015 yr Sorry if your view of everyone living in ultra-high density clusters does not fit with reality of views of most citizens of our country. And they make no apology for that. Cleveland metro spreads out to Lorain at least, I'd think, so Avon sits squarely inside that. Heck, Youngstown is part of "Cleveland+".
February 4, 201015 yr It's actually got very little to do with "high density clusters"... its got much more to do with the costs associated with sprawl, on a lot of different levels.
February 4, 201015 yr I can actually get with Eagle Fan's point here... as long as it's assumed that Avon will one day, by necessity, also be an ultra-high density cluster. Hahaha! Keep running!
February 4, 201015 yr Most suburbs have nothing to do with low-density living. Many of the residential areas are nearly as high density-wise as much more urban areas (especially in California). The traffic problems mainly stem from the fact that they are planned poorly and built piecemeal by developers, often with land-locked wastes of space, undeveloped tracts of land between developments (often times still farmland), and zoned for complete usage segregation and massive parking lots, reducing walkability and ensuring that driving is a necessary activity (and I believe this is by design to keep those who cannot afford a car, or to drive that car a lot, out...hence the great fear of and disdain for public transportation in the suburbs). People still often times live on little to no land in many suburbs, with very few parks available nearby for their children. Provide an example, you say? I would venture to guess that for most people, suburbs have much more to do with running from problems (perceived and real) rather than dealing with them than a desire to live "spread out". One day, those problems will make it to Avon, and the nomads will run again.
February 4, 201015 yr It will be interesting to see what happens when we run out of land for new build because cleveland's sprawl smashes into lorain's sprawl and akron's sprawl.... I mean it's already starting to happen. Pretty soon we won't just be able to churn up greenfeild one ring out for shiny new stuff...
April 12, 201114 yr Avon tax proposal to cover interchange costs riles affected residents Published: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 7:01 AM Updated: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 7:03 AM By Tom Breckenridge, The Plain Dealer The Plain Dealer AVON, Ohio -- A soon-to-be built interchange on Interstate 90 in Avon will make rich men and women of property owners along Nagel Road, a two-lane route flanked by fallow farm fields in one of Ohio's fastest-growing suburbs, city leaders say. That's why the city wants to take the unusual step of taxing land owners for up to a third of the $27 million project. Some could see tax bills in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Furious property owners say the proposed 20-year assessments are unfair. They say the whole city benefits from the project. And they say developer Richard E. Jacobs Group LLC who would share the cost, should pay more since the interchange will feed more than 400 acres of Jacobs-controlled land. Tea Party activists have joined the fray, holding signs at last week's City Council meeting that read, "We the people do not consent." Read more at: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/04/fairness_of_proposed_avon_tax.html
May 7, 201114 yr Avon Council reviews financing agreement with Jacobs Group for interchange Filed by rturman April 6th, 2011 in News. AVON By Rebecca Turman It was hard enough to find a parking lot at Avon City Hall Monday night let alone a seat in Council Chambers as residents packed the City Council work session, expecting council members to publicly address the special assessments being considered to help finance the I-90 interchange at Nagel Road. However, council members did not go into detail on the plans for special assessments that could impact 105 property owners near the interchange. Instead, they reviewed an ordinance to authorize a financing agreement with JG (Jacobs Group) Avon LLC for the construction of the interchange... http://2presspapers.northcoastnow.com/avon-council-reviews-financing-agreement-with-jacobs-group-for-interchange/ City Council postpones vote on interchange financing agreement with Jacobs Group Filed by rturman April 15th, 2011 in News. Avon By Rebecca Turman Avon City Council members agreed Monday night to wait at least another week before they vote on an ordinance authorizing a financing agreement with JG (Jacobs Group) Avon LLC for the construction of the I-90 interchange at Nagel Road. Council was scheduled to vote on the ordinance on emergency and suspend the three-reading rule at the Monday night regular meeting. However, Council President Craig Witherspoon stated at the meeting that Avon Law Director John Gasior asked that the item be removed from the agenda... http://2presspapers.northcoastnow.com/city-council-postpones-vote-on-interchange-financing-agreement-with-jacobs-group/ Avon residents, business owners upset by city’s possible plans to fund the interchange project Filed by rturman April 21st, 2011 in News. Avon By Rebecca Turman Avon City Council did not address the possible financing agreement between the city of Avon and Jacobs Group for the I-90 interchange at Nagel Road Monday night, but that didn’t stop individuals from speaking out on the potential tax assessments that could be issued to help pay for the project. The agreement in the works with Jacobs Group, that has yet to be voted on by council, deals with the developer paying one-third of the cost of the interchange. Avon Law Director John Gasior said the document should be before council soon for a vote... http://2presspapers.northcoastnow.com/avon-residents-business-owners-upset-by-citys-possible-plans-to-fund-the-interchange-project/
October 5, 201113 yr I see that some of the Freeway Management System boards in Northeast Ohio show "MINUTES TO" various destinations and others are turned off. Does anyone know why some are turned off?
October 5, 201113 yr I see that some of the Freeway Management System boards in Northeast Ohio show "MINUTES TO" various destinations and others are turned off. Does anyone know why some are turned off? Low Nielsen ratings. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 5, 201113 yr the installation isn't complete. the PD had an article a month ago about this. apparently this fall sometime all of the boards should be working.
October 6, 201113 yr I give them a year or two before they start sucumbing to our world-famous road salt. ODOT seems to forget this when buying apparatus like signs, guardrails...and GIANT CONCRETE WALLS to block sound from subdivisions. :roll:
March 25, 201213 yr The remaining boards are operational. I'm I the only one that finds these to be a complete waste of money? If I'm westbound on the Shoreway heading into downtown, who cares the time to SR2 vs I 77? They make no sense.
March 27, 201213 yr I'm I the only one that finds these to be a complete waste of money? If I'm westbound on the Shoreway heading into downtown, who cares the time to SR2 vs I 77? They make no sense. You're not alone. Who cares what the time is to anywhere? You can't take detours on secondary roads to make up time, and most of the signs are in the wrong place where there are parallel highways. The only sign that is remotely worthwhile is on I-480 east near Granger. It tells you what I-77 is like into downtown. If it's bad during morning rush hour (big surprise anyway), what can you do about it? Take SR176/Jennings instead? Most times that's almost as bad as I-77 and its longer, so you don't save time anyway. Want a sign that would make some sense? A sign on I-271 or US422 could tell me to get off at the next exit to get on a commuter train on the tracks through North Randall! Oh wait, we don't have commuter trains there anymore! For the $1 million per mile ODOT spent (and continues to spend) on building new or replacing relatively new sound walls along the interstates, we could have instead had a pretty decent commuter rail route or two in the metro area. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 27, 201213 yr Having experienced them a lot in Columbus and Cincinnati they become useful when other information is posted on them. Once there was one on I-75 in Cincinnati that read 'look out for debris ahead in right lane.' Ended up being a reclining chair in the road. I think they're useful.
March 27, 201213 yr It's better that they are used for this function than the functions that are "granted" to them by sitting politicians - such as Amber alerts. Since the "Minutes To" function went up several months ago, all of those useless Amber alerts (and et al.) are gone. The best "Minutes To" was when I was coming back during that storm that spawned all of those tornados not too long ago. Traffic was just queued on I-75 NB into Cincinnati because of the very high winds, rain, hail... and it just said "99" to SR 562 - a 10 minute drive normally. Might as well put up in infinity sign!
March 27, 201213 yr The remaining boards are operational. I'm I the only one that finds these to be a complete waste of money? If I'm westbound on the Shoreway heading into downtown, who cares the time to SR2 vs I 77? They make no sense. i agree. imo, it would be at least a little more helpful if there were some boards facing traffic leaving downtown before key decision points. it seems that they are mostly geared toward traditional AM rush hour traffic flows into the city. for instance, a couple weeks ago when I77 south was closed just past I490, there were no signs until well after a decision could have been made - either on city streets before entrances or before a key split, like I490 where there is a reasonable highway workaround back to 77 south. EDIT: I also think that having a map that shows the links and is color coded works much better for showing the status of the overall system. These are commonly found in Europe and Asia on their highway networks. Something like this: http://iainmasterton.photoshelter.com/image/I0000CE9jmbFbx1E (beijing) or this one from shanghai: http://www.traffictechnologytoday.com/news.php?NewsID=3624
August 3, 201212 yr Not sure where to ask this... But are they finally replacing the fencing, lights, and repairing the concrete on the Valley View bridge? They have barricades along both outer sides and looks like they've marked the concrete.
September 19, 201212 yr Anyone know what this bridge project involves? Resolution No. 1256-12(Ward 2/Councilmember Reed): Declaring the necessity and intention to appropriate up to six easements for public use in connection with the Harvard Avenue Bridge project. http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2012/09202012/index.php "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 19, 201212 yr ^ Is this it? PID 13603: CUY HARVARD AVENUE Rehabilitate the Harvard Avenue Bridge over the W&LE Railroad located at East 103rd Street in the City of Cleveland. Starts April 2013
September 19, 201212 yr Could be. I was wondering if this was bigger than that, like the Harvard-Denison bridge over the Cuyahoga Valley. But then, it probably would be listed as Harvard-Denison, not just Harvard! :-P "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 16, 201212 yr FYI, ODOT District 12 just tweeted that Abbey Road has reopened to two-way traffic between Ohio City and Tremont.... https://mobile.twitter.com/ODOT_Innerbelt/status/258303920688992256/photo/1 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 20, 201212 yr The Morning Journal (morningjournal.com), Serving Northern Ohio News Nagel Road interchange opens today Thursday, December 20, 2012 By JASON HENRY [email protected] @MJ_Jason_Henry AVON — After a 16-year wait, Avon Mayor Jim Smith will finally see the new Nagel Road interchange on Interstate 90 open to traffic today. A ribbon cutting ceremony will take place at 10 a.m. at the interchange near the intersection of Chester Road and Nagel Road. The entrance and exit ramps to and from I-90 will open at about noon. The new interchange, costing about $27 million, will help Avon to continue developing in that area, as well as ease traffic congestion at the SR 83 exit, Smith said. Rush hour traffic at the SR 83 exit often backed up on to I-90, he said... Full story: URL: http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2012/12/20/news/doc50d2a090374bd587950299.prt © 2012 morningjournal.com, a Journal Register Property
August 2, 201311 yr http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/oh_cuyahoga/interstate-271-to-be-widened-between-miles-road-and-summit-county-line Miles would mean the two lane bottleneck at the interchange remains.... Note: This is currently in the pre-planning stage.
August 2, 201311 yr The two lane bottleneck remains if you are getting on 480, yes. This will help rush hours on 271. They will be doing the same thing on 77 expanding from 4 to 6 lane highways.
August 2, 201311 yr I'm just going to make some crazy talk here, but would it be beneficial to make a dedicated bus / HOV lane like they have in LA (I know, that go largely unused) to accomodate the morning and afternoon rush? I have to think that if you do that in conjunction with park and ride services, you might reduce the amount of car traffic coming into Cleveland.
August 2, 201311 yr The two lane bottleneck remains if you are getting on 480, yes. This will help rush hours on 271. They will be doing the same thing on 77 expanding from 4 to 6 lane highways. Most of the backup is at the interchange though. If they wanted to fix that, they ought to extend one of the express lanes southbound through the interchange to Rockside or Columbus.
August 2, 201311 yr Most of the backup is at the interchange though. If they wanted to fix that, they ought to extend one of the express lanes southbound through the interchange to Rockside or Columbus. Columbus? As in the road or the city? :) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 2, 201311 yr Most of the backup is at the interchange though. If they wanted to fix that, they ought to extend one of the express lanes southbound through the interchange to Rockside or Columbus. Columbus? As in the road or the city? :) :roll:
August 2, 201311 yr The two lane bottleneck remains if you are getting on 480, yes. This will help rush hours on 271. They will be doing the same thing on 77 expanding from 4 to 6 lane highways. Most of the backup is at the interchange though. If they wanted to fix that, they ought to extend one of the express lanes southbound through the interchange to Rockside or Columbus. They should have, just as 480E should have ended at 43 not 303. I'm not sure they can, now. The genius that designed that interchange penned 1-271S into two lanes after the 480W traffic merges off but also after the express lane dumps in. The best way to do this might be to attack Richmond Road south of Miles, which is also a mess. It veers off the the east and narrows into one lane. Then it ends at Cannon (becomes Rockside). You have to turn right, passing through a ridiculously narrow RR tunnel from the horse drawn era, and make a left to get back onto Richmond. If they started where it veers off and went 5 lanes (2 each plus a turn) they could end at Cannon and the southern section of Richmond. That's one lane as well but they could put in a left turn lane and maybe even two right turn lanes, feeding people back towards Rockside and Aurora.
January 18, 201411 yr http://www.city.cleveland.oh.us/CityofCleveland/Home/PressRelease/prdetail?id=15468 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: January 17, 2014 **Traffic Advisory** Denison Avenue Reconstruction Project Phase I Work CLEVELAND – Effective Monday, January 20, 2014, construction will begin; weather permitting, on the Denison Avenue reconstruction project. Phase 1 of the construction will be along West 62nd Street, from Denison Avenue south to Barberton Avenue. This phase of the project includes the installation of a new water main and duct bank. On street parking restrictions will apply. One southbound lane of traffic will be maintained along West 62nd Street during this phase of construction. Driveway access will be maintained. This phase of construction is anticipated to be complete in four (4) months at which point the roadway will be reopened to normal traffic patterns. The project will include the installation of a Cleveland Public Power underground power line duct bank, and associated utility relocations, pavement reconstruction and resurfacing, curb, sidewalk and driveway repairs. This Project is scheduled for completion by December 2015. Further work on Denison Avenue (West 62nd to Fulton) is anticipated to commence on or about January 27, 2014 as the maintenance of traffic and detour routes are being finalized. A 72 hour notice will be issued prior to implementing a change in traffic patterns on Denison Avenue. -30- "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 7, 201411 yr "@TotalTrafficCLE: #Cleveland burst water main on W 117th St at Bellaire Ave as reported by police #traffic http://t.co/IXfI2jHBEJ" Good! Maybe it will result in this cratered intersection getting repaved! Allega must've paved this street with watered down concrete a decade ago. Wonder if they needed to save on concrete for their next fitting of cement shoes?? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 7, 201411 yr "@TotalTrafficCLE: #Cleveland burst water main on W 117th St at Bellaire Ave as reported by police #traffic http://t.co/IXfI2jHBEJ" Good! Maybe it will result in this cratered intersection getting repaved! Allega must've paved this street with watered down concrete a decade ago. Wonder if they needed to save on concrete for their next fitting of cement shoes?? And while their at it can they fix the moonscape at W117th/Clifton....W117th/Detroit....W117th and......
February 24, 201411 yr New water feature added to Interstate 90 in Rocky River (more water main breaks citywide than I ever remember!) https://m.facebook.com/stan.bullard/posts/10202203616909716 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 24, 201411 yr New water feature added to Interstate 90 in Rocky River (more water main breaks citywide than I ever remember!) https://m.facebook.com/stan.bullard/posts/10202203616909716 Aging system, declining population, and of course, that section was a part that was elevated above the I90, so we can also blame ODOT. ;)
February 24, 201411 yr What does declining population have to do with it? I'd say the destructive freeze/thaw process is to blame.
February 24, 201411 yr What does declining population have to do with it? I'd say the destructive freeze/thaw process is to blame. Sorry I should have been more specific in my sarcasm. I had just read the weekly Plain Dealer bashing of the sewer district. But I suppose (in the pragmatic non-derogatory sense) declining population does affect tax revenues, water department collections, etc.
March 1, 201411 yr ODOT announces plans to begin replacement of Interstate 77 bridge deck 2:13 pm, February 28, 2014 Get ready for some major work on Interstate 77, and for a more complicated commute if you use the highway to get onto and off of Interstate 480. The Ohio Department of Transportation and the Ruhlin Co. are preparing for work to begin on the I-77 bridge deck replacement project. ODOT said the entire project will replace the bridge deck and improve drainage on I-77 north and southbound between I-480 and Grant Avenue over the Cuyahoga River, Granger Road, Canal Road, the CSX Railroad and the Ohio and Erie Canal Reservation. Minor operations began on the bridge during the summer of 2013 to prepare for major work in 2014 and 2015. READ MORE HERE: http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140228/FREE/140229776#email_daily "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 23, 201411 yr "@NickCastele: Cuyahoga County may just resurface pothole-ridden W 117th, to the tune of $1.6 million. Nice catch by @ericsandy. http://t.co/ThVIa4sTZv" "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 25, 201411 yr ^ Crazy they just re-did that entire stretch. In concrete no less. It was the special mix of Anthony Allega concrete -- 4 parts water, 1 part concrete. Apparently they needed the bulk of the concrete for other jobs, like shoes for swimming out in Lake Erie. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 25, 201411 yr ^ Crazy they just re-did that entire stretch. In concrete no less. It was the special mix of Anthony Allega concrete -- 4 parts water, 1 part concrete. Apparently they needed the bulk of the concrete for other jobs, like shoes for swimming out in Lake Erie. Ugh...man I hate the roads in Ohio.
March 25, 201411 yr I was just told recently that one of reasons many cities are having major issues with this years pothole season (yes, I realize the freeze/thaw cycle is THE major factor) is becasue many cities are opting to not have the asphalt sealed. Does this sound right? Would the low bidder not include the sealing as part of the process? That is CRAZY if it is true.
March 25, 201411 yr Road specs don't require asphalt to be sealed, like a parking lot would be. They are supposed to seal the joints of asphalt/concrete with tar, but that only lasts a few seasons before it wears away. Roads fail for a variety of reasons but mostly the concrete/asphalt starts to break up when the subgrade (clay surface below) starts to roll/heave. Pockets form under the pavement, the pavement breaks, and the freeze/thaw cycle takes over from there. Filling potholes with asphalt is only a temporary fix till next freeze/thaw cycle. Many of the worst roads for potholes in Cleveland are asphalt on top of brick below. Not sure what the deal is at 117th. The concrete pavement is horrendous.
March 25, 201411 yr Road specs don't require asphalt to be sealed, like a parking lot would be. They are supposed to seal the joints of asphalt/concrete with tar, but that only lasts a few seasons before it wears away. Roads fail for a variety of reasons but mostly the concrete/asphalt starts to break up when the subgrade (clay surface below) starts to roll/heave. Pockets form under the pavement, the pavement breaks, and the freeze/thaw cycle takes over from there. Filling potholes with asphalt is only a temporary fix till next freeze/thaw cycle. Many of the worst roads for potholes in Cleveland are asphalt on top of brick below. Not sure what the deal is at 117th. The concrete pavement is horrendous. The city is still involved with a suit against Allega for the shoddy work and concrete on W 117th? It was a brand new reconstruction around 2000 if I remember? Now it's like a third world country....
March 26, 201411 yr ^ brand new like 14 yrs ago? Heavy traffic at that intersection right off the freeway. Bus traffic, truck traffic, lots of turning traffic. Once concrete roads start to break up, they are very difficult to repair, need full depth replacement with rebar & such. Asphalt roads can just be milled & filled quickly
March 26, 201411 yr ^ brand new like 14 yrs ago? Heavy traffic at that intersection right off the freeway. Bus traffic, truck traffic, lots of turning traffic. Once concrete roads start to break up, they are very difficult to repair, need full depth replacement with rebar & such. Asphalt roads can just be milled & filled quickly The concrete was re-done in 2006.
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