Hardly trolling, just the truth (apparently). I get a batch of news that's targeted towards UC, XU and MU colleges in my inbox daily, and this popped up because the divide is so sharp. I wanted to know the reason why it is such a departure from MU and XU, and all I get is some junk from you. Not surprising given your signature...

^Do those numbers incorporate co-op at UC?  Most programs take a year or two longer to complete than at typical schools due to the workload, ie a 4 year program takes 5.  That could explain a big part of the difference.

Fine.

 

How's this for a more objective look at those numbers:

 

UC has 103 baccalaureate programs and 49 Associate degree programs. At most schools, those would be completed within 4 years. However, at UC, the vast majority of those 103 baccalaureate programs have a required co-op that takes students 5-6 years to complete. Also include that there are several accelerated degree programs whereby a student gets and Bachelors and a Masters Degree within 6-7 years, and that 55% number isn't so bad. A better way to analyze UC grad rates would be to look at 5- and 7-year percentages.

 

Enrollment Numbers (all campuses):

 

UC: 39,667

MU: 22,226

XU: 6,966

 

Costs (Ohio Undergrad):

 

UC: $10,065

MU: $11,442

XU: $29,300

 

I looked up the University of Kentucky, where it took me five years to go through the program that I wanted.

 

http://www.uky.edu/IRPE/students/ret_grad/ret_grad8806.pdf

For 2003: 30% 4 years; 53.1% 5 years; 61.4% 6 years.

 

I suspect it is because these larger public universities accept in many students of lesser quality -- i.e. ones with lower ACT/SAT scores, for instance. Accepting more African American students can also drop the numbers (10% difference at UK versus comparable white students). Accepting more women can raise the numbers, but only slightly.

That's the other point I was trying to make. Miami and Xavier are much more highly selective. UC accepts a wider range of students; many of whom may not in fact be prepared for college. As a result UC probably has a higher drop-out/fail-out rate as well.

It got lost your last woefully made statement.

I apologize, but your post definitely had a tone of "Look at how much UC sucks with grad rates of only 20 and 55%." Your last statement "Seriously? 20/55?" certainly didn't sound like you just wanted to know why there was such a departure. It was very condescending to those of us who attend/attended UC.

And another point, why do we even look at grad rates? They don't really tell us how good a school is. They tell us how many students couldn't cut it, ran out of money, or quit for other reasons. Schools with lower grad rates are generally more selective and more expensive so the riskier (riskier for the Universities) don't attend them as much. We should be looking at how successful graduates are as a result of the education. This tells us more about the quality of the school than how many people graduate.

Some of it is the quality of student (though UC is far more selective than it used to be and they are pushing under-prepared students to Clermont, Raymond Walters, and Cincy State), a lot of it is that UC is more likely to get students who aren't fully committed to getting a bachelor's degree, some is that it is more likely to attract students who are stretching to afford the tuition and are more likely to drop out due to financial exigencies. Miami and Xavier attract an entirely different kind of student. UK is kind of a peer though it's status as the flagship institution makes it a little different. I'd compare UC to Louisville, Pitt, Toledo, Akron, maybe one of the normal schools in Ohio.

With a larger student enrollment, lower admissions standards, and lower costs than MU or XU, what do you expect? Sherman, this reeks of trolling.

 

Got to agree with you. A large state school versus two relatively small private schools? Come on. Apples and oranges.

^Miami is not a private school.  It is a state school (although admittedly smaller than UC)

Hmm, color me stupid. Guess I forgot that.

 

Anyhow, their admissions process is selective and we all know the demographics it attracts. Not many people struggling with tuition payments there.

 

Edit: Come to think of it, I remember hearing it called a "private public" (or was it "public private"?) university, due to the above.

UC is extremely program specific in terms of quality.

dmerkow's point is really important for discussing UC.

 

As a whole, the university is basically a 2nd tier regional school. However specific colleges are top-tier nationally. In particular, DAAP and CCM have a really great reputation. So it's a bit of an odd dynamic because of the huge gap in quality between different programs.

 

Also, as someone else mentioned, UC's co-op requirement makes it pointless to compare 4-year grad rates. 6-year is more useful.

So, UC president Greg Williams just abruptly resigned after a 6-hour meeting with the board of trustees. So far, news reports don't cite a reason. WTF is going on?

^I know there were allegations of sexual harrassment of some sort last year, but I don't know if that ever went anywhere or if charges got dropped or if that has anything to do with this decision at all. All I have heard is "personal reasons". I'm sure we'll know in a few hours or so.

Something definitely smells funny with this. More to come I'm sure...

Board of Conduct violation. Much more to come soon, and this development has certainly screwed up some very big prospects.

Whenever I hear "personal reasons", I have this mental image of somebody waking up in a motel room next to a dead hooker.

^You mean like this one (RIP)?

 

UC is a bigger mess on the inside than it appears from the outside.

 

With the way they have been giving the Provost additional responsibilities (moving departments under his control), it is clear that they are priming him to be the next President. Now, he will serve as Interim President until a new one is picked.

 

This reminds me of the situation a few years ago when the CCM Dean resigned after only a year. It turns out the faculty didn't like the direction he wanted to take the college.

 

They have also been on a search for a CIO for several years, and they recently announced that "we will not move forward with any of the four finalists for the CIO position." I've heard that they actually offered the job to one of the finalists, who proceeded to turn it down. Then, the Interim CIO of three years stepped down to return to his faculty position.

Carlo Mantemagno (sp?), the Dean of the College of Engineering and Applied Sciences (CEAS) stepped down this summer as well. He returned to his faculty position, though.

Until there is confirmation, all of this is speculative. I know he worked his tail off to put the Big East in a position to garner a gigantic pay raise.

He brought in a CBS TV exec Mike Aresco to run the Big East. I will not be surprised to the Big East deal surpass the ACC and SEC TV deals.

If UC works like where I went to school, when a faculty member steps down from an interim administrative position, they retain that higher salary for the rest of their career.  So if they're making $90K as a tenured professor, they will retain a salary fo $120K or whatever if they serve as interim dean or whatever fo just one year.

Anybody hear that the BOT wants the Law School @the banks, Greg Williams and the Dean of the College of Law said no thanks.

Got to the point where Williams said see you later.

 

FWIW, This is a decision for a Dean and a President, not the BOT.

Email sent from Ono this afternoon:

 

Dear Students,

 

Earlier this week the Board of Trustees appointed me Interim President of the University of Cincinnati.  I join the Trustees in conveying my admiration and appreciation to our former President, Gregory H. Williams, for his countless contributions to UC.  He taught us to dream big, to think strategically and to work collaboratively, and the University is better because of his leadership.  I wish him the very best.

 

I write to reassure you that this recent transition in leadership in no way jeopardizes our ability to educate, serve and work with you.  In my former role as Provost, I strived to place students at the center of all that we do.  On a weekly basis, I collaborated with student leaders, met with student groups, attended student events and tweeted with scores of you (please feel free to follow me @provostono).  As Interim President, I look forward to both broadening and deepening my engagement with you.  After all, you are the reason we are here--there is no UC without you.  Know that each and every one of you matters dearly to me, and I will work tirelessly on your behalf.

 

I am a student-centered, faculty-driven leader who wakes up every morning feeling blessed to be part of an academic community that is dedicated to transforming the lives of young people.  And I am delighted to say that our new Interim Provost, Larry Johnson, shares this same dedication and drive.  Together, we want to partner with you to aim higher and reach farther than ever before.

 

I am incredibly honored and energized to serve as your Interim President.  I promise to make the Bearcat Nation proud.  Here's wishing you the very best for the new academic year #HottestCollegeinAmerica.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Santa J. Ono

Interim President

Anybody hear that the BOT wants the Law School @the banks, Greg Williams and the Dean of the College of Law said no thanks.

Got to the point where Williams said see you later.

 

FWIW, This is a decision for a Dean and a President, not the BOT.

 

Law school at the Banks is a terrible idea. Law school at old SCPA would work. Dean of Law school has no desire to move it.

First thing he should do is halt construction of that hideous electrical substation on Jefferson.

First thing he should do is halt construction of that hideous electrical substation on Jefferson.

Totally agree that the substation in that location is terrible, but that is a Duke project. Another reason to hate Duke added to the list.

^Is that really a Duke project? I was under the impression that it was for the University's Power Plant next door.

Anybody hear that the BOT wants the Law School @the banks, Greg Williams and the Dean of the College of Law said no thanks.

Got to the point where Williams said see you later.

 

FWIW, This is a decision for a Dean and a President, not the BOT.

 

Law school at the Banks is a terrible idea. Law school at old SCPA would work. Dean of Law school has no desire to move it.

 

Looks like Williams and BOT did not see eye to eye on multiple issues.

Williams, UC board frustrated each other http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120823/NEWS/308230129&Ref=AR

 

If I am 68 I would probably call it quits also.

^Is that really a Duke project? I was under the impression that it was for the University's Power Plant next door.

Duke is upgrading the service in the area and UC decided to tap into the system at the same time for cost savings.

 

 

Next to last paragraph hear:  http://www.duke-energy.com/about-us/electric-transmission-projects/whittier.asp

The Whittier projects are part of a larger system upgrade which includes both the Ashland and Rochelle substations, which are also located in the Hamilton County/Cincinnati University region

 

And here are he minutes from a UC board meeting talking about the project:  http://www.uc.edu/content/dam/uc/trustees/docs/minutes%202011/RegMtgMinutes5.24.11.pdf  Search the pdf for DUKE. 

Looks like Williams and BOT did not see eye to eye on multiple issues.

Williams, UC board frustrated each other http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120823/NEWS/308230129&Ref=AR

 

If I am 68 I would probably call it quits also.

 

Some of the commenters on that article are speculating that Williams got tired of butting heads with Cincinnati's blue-blood old guard, many of whom have people on the UC board. Be sure to read them before the Enquirer deletes them.

Looks like Williams and BOT did not see eye to eye on multiple issues.

Williams, UC board frustrated each other http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120823/NEWS/308230129&Ref=AR

 

If I am 68 I would probably call it quits also.

 

Some of the commenters on that article are speculating that Williams got tired of butting heads with Cincinnati's blue-blood old guard, many of whom have people on the UC board. Be sure to read them before the Enquirer deletes them.

 

Those are interesting. Why would UC want to give 10 Million to that fund? They have their own debt to service. Seems like some sort of kickback.

Chesley is on the board also.

^I have heard from a very good source that Williams' departure is directly related to the sexual harassment scandal mentioned earlier in this thread. Hence the abrupt departure and lack of details.

Ono Wants to Remain UC President

 

As University of Cincinnati trustees plan a formal search for a new president, Interim President Santa Ono says he would like a longer stint leading the region’s largest university.

 

“As long as the board wants me to be here, I will give 150 percent to move this (UC strategic) plan forward,” Ono told members of the Japan America Society of Greater Cincinnati Tuesday afternoon.

 

“If the Board of Trustees elects to offer me the permanent presidency, I would be honored to serve the University of Cincinnati in that capacity,” he wrote in an e-mail this morning.

I just noticed on Monday that UC has started placing free copies of USA TODAY and The New York Times out in select locations (the two I noticed were TUC and Lindner College of Business). I'm assuming this is a new thing. It's more than welcome, but I don't understand why it started. Any ideas?

Money to burn.

Together at last: P&G, UC forging closer alliances to spark innovation

Business Courier by Dan Monk, Senior Staff Reporter

Date: Friday, November 16, 2012, 6:00am EST

 

After 175 years as casual neighbors, the University of Cincinnati and Procter & Gamble Co. are deepening their connections in research, engineering and economic development.

 

It’s a trend that could supercharge the region’s innovation and talent attraction efforts.

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/print-edition/2012/11/16/together-at-last-pg-uc-forging.html

I just noticed on Monday that UC has started placing free copies of USA TODAY and The New York Times out in select locations (the two I noticed were TUC and Lindner College of Business). I'm assuming this is a new thing. It's more than welcome, but I don't understand why it started. Any ideas?

 

I thought that was pretty common at universities - at least in the business departments. I know my school had NYT and WSJ.

As an alum, I'm liking our new president. 

 

Ono set for sophomore year

Students feel connected to UC's energetic president

 

Santa Ono talks like a man who has free time.

 

He owns a tropical fish tank. He’s picking up his cello again and wants to read Oscar Robertson’s autobiography. He listens to the rapper Macklemore and says his teenage daughters “think it’s pretty cool.”

 

He says he wants to learn how to play – we are not making this up – the ukulele.

 

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130827/NEWS0102/308270022/Ono-set-for-sophomore-year

Any idea what uc is doing to help lower the crime rates since they said they would do more about it? Where did they place the new cameras and lights?

 

This UC library ranks among world’s top 25

Barrett J. Brunsman Staff reporter- Cincinnati Business Courier

 

 

The library that serves the University of Cincinnati College of Medicine is one of the 25 most impressive in the world, according to a website that reviews and ranks universities that offer master’s degrees.

 

The Harrison Health Sciences Library at UC placed No. 14 on the recently released list, according to Best Master’s Degrees Reviews and Rankings.

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2014/04/08/this-uc-library-ranks-among-world-s-top-25.html