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Building the 21st Century City: The Future Is Now!

 

Symposium on the future of Cleveland by ULI Cleveland and the City of Cleveland. I just came across this now. It's tomorrow afternoon and all day Wednesday (March 3).  If anyone can attend, please take notes and report back! 

 

https://cleveland.uli.org/

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On 2/17/2021 at 1:55 PM, Dougal said:

NYT discussed what you get for $400K, in Cleveland, Chicago, and Kingston, NY.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/17/realestate/home-prices-ohio-illinois-new-york.html

 

What a bizzare set to compare---why Kingstown? That's a tiny town two hours away from NYC.  Compare Kingstown to Wooster, maybe. Or compare CLE to NYC----but not Cleveland, Chicago, and some random small town across the Hudson River that is two hours away from NYC. CLE and Chicago are not competing with Kingston, NY for jobs; museums or city amenities or not comparable between CLE/CHI and Kingston, NY.....makes no sense.

1 hour ago, Pugu said:

 

What a bizzare set to compare---why Kingstown? That's a tiny town two hours away from NYC.  Compare Kingstown to Wooster, maybe. Or compare CLE to NYC----but not Cleveland, Chicago, and some random small town across the Hudson River that is two hours away from NYC. CLE and Chicago are not competing with Kingston, NY for jobs; museums or city amenities or not comparable between CLE/CHI and Kingston, NY.....makes no sense.

Maybe Kingston is the closest place to New York where $400K gets you anything decent. A college roommate of mine lives there; it's a nice little place.

Remember: It's the Year of the Snake

Bummer..

 

Cleveland had the highest poverty rate among large U.S. cities in 2019, overtaking Detroit, according to data released by the U.S. Census bureau last week.

 

https://www.communitysolutions.com/cleveland-now-poorest-big-city-country/#:~:text=In 2019%2C more than 114%2C000,living in poverty in 2019.

 

 "Cleveland remained dead last among large cities in child poverty, with 46.1 percent of children in the city living in poverty in 2019. "

 

That makes me seriously sad :( So many kids growing up in poverty and its entirely out of their control

If a decent job presented itself making it feasible, I would move back to Cleveland in a heartbeat to help mentor kids. 

https://www.bbbscle.org/

 

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8 hours ago, David said:

Bummer..


Especially in the "I Love Cleveland" thread....  

^Love is blind. So you love the city no matter what!

On 3/2/2021 at 10:45 PM, David said:

Bummer..

 

Cleveland had the highest poverty rate among large U.S. cities in 2019, overtaking Detroit, according to data released by the U.S. Census bureau last week.

 

https://www.communitysolutions.com/cleveland-now-poorest-big-city-country/#:~:text=In 2019%2C more than 114%2C000,living in poverty in 2019.

 

 "Cleveland remained dead last among large cities in child poverty, with 46.1 percent of children in the city living in poverty in 2019. "

 

That makes me seriously sad :( So many kids growing up in poverty and its entirely out of their control

If a decent job presented itself making it feasible, I would move back to Cleveland in a heartbeat to help mentor kids. 

https://www.bbbscle.org/

 

The “good” news here is that CLE’s poverty rate has been dropping the past few years, at least pre COVID.  Detroit’s poverty rate declined at a faster pace than CLE’s as Motown had the highest rate for many years.  
 

Ohio has 2 cities in the top 10 poorest big cities with CIN in the ranks as well.

 

 

Yeah, NE Ohio had the highest job growth in Ohio in 2020. 

Regarding Michael Stanley, "Why couldn’t the guy who outpaced the likes of Pink Floyd, Bruce Springsteen and the Rolling Stones by setting attendance records at the old Blossom Music Center ever become more than a blip on the national music scene?"

 

The Cleveland grit of Michael Stanley’s music made him beloved here but may have stood in his way nationally: Tony Peyronel

 

https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2021/03/the-cleveland-grit-of-michael-stanleys-music-made-him-beloved-here-but-may-have-stood-in-his-way-nationally-tony-peyronel.html

^ while i would not disagree with that, i would say it was more of a case of msb being very anonymous, as even michael stanley said, but also imo there was the lack of umm, if not a talent issue exclusively, then that certain it that makes the music catch. they had plenty of time and opportunity to do better.

 

that said, they were certainly beloved locally and michael stanley has an amazing second career in local tv/radio. he is a deserved legend for sure.

i was wondering if anyone had any michael stanley or msb stories?

 

mine is i was tangently related to a band member and they played at a family wedding in the mid seventies. i saw them a few times too much later on during their peak era days. they put on a fine rock show for sure.

 

also trivia, stanley's early solo song rosewood bitters was howard stern's favorite song and often mentioned during his peak radio years. at least up until dave grohl came on and did that everlong song that just blew everyone away lol.

19 hours ago, mrnyc said:

i was wondering if anyone had any michael stanley or msb stories?

 

mine is i was tangently related to a band member and they played at a family wedding in the mid seventies. i saw them a few times too much later on during their peak era days. they put on a fine rock show for sure.

 

also trivia, stanley's early solo song rosewood bitters was howard stern's favorite song and often mentioned during his peak radio years. at least up until dave grohl came on and did that everlong song that just blew everyone away lol.

 

My mom hadn't missed a Michael Stanley concert since my state football championship game in 2008. She was an absolute diehard. 

^ we can't love msb like she loves them!

 

as with stanley, i am sure everyone has joe tait memories. i know he was known for wham with the right hand and have a good night evvvvrybody, but my childhood favorite will always be, "manning flies out to the warning track in left center, but he got good wood on the ball." lol tait must have said that a million times -- it was the truth of rick manning's career even though he was a fan favorite -- and it was so typical of the 'major league' era tribe.

 

another favorite my friend in brooklyn and i always laugh about is the one season when tait broke his leg falling off a ladder and color guy bruce drennan said, "so joe, change any lightbulbs lately?" you can see why that team didn't last lol.

Here's my Michael Stanley story… In early September of 1993, our house in Bainbridge had been on the market for a year. No one wanted it because it had a large room for my dad's collection of musical instruments. Everybody who came to see the house had no idea what to do with this large room.

 

My dad, who was a real estate agent, called me to say that we had a showing for our house. He said the person coming to see it was Michael Stanley. I asked him "you mean THE Michael Stanley?" He said yes. My routine was to get the house ready with all the lights turned on and everything cleaned up before we had a showing. I did that.

 

Michael showed up alone and I was kind of speechless helping to show him around the house my father. He loved the large music room which he thought would be a great place for his new band the Ghost Poets to practice.

 

He returned for a second showing with his new wife Mary McCcrone (or wife-to-be, I don't remember the timeline) who he met at channel 8 while doing PM Magazine there. She loved the house and its views of the Aurora Branch of the Chagrin River valley behind our house. Our family built that house 15 years earlier and I loved it. I still dream about it almost every night. Long story short, they bought the house and lived there for seven years.

 

A funny side story... Michael's sister-in-law was dating her husband-to-be Wayne Newton. Two months later, they held Thanksgiving dinner at our former house. As nice as our house's setting was, it wasn't very well built. It featured a long horizontal drain pipe from the kitchen at the back of the house to the septic system at the front of the house. It travelled above the ceiling of our finished basement where Michael had put a pool table. The pipe became clogged with leftover Thanksgiving food and overflowed, making the ceiling very soggy. That ceiling collapsed on Wayne Newton as he played pool.

 

Michael was a local star but was also family and friends to other stars. That didn't change him. The thing that struck me about Michael is what a down-to-earth guy he was. He never let his stardom change him.

 

BTW Michael gave me a copy of his band's new CD back then. This song from it reminds me of my house. Thanks for giving me a soundtrack to part of my life....

 

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

michael stanley bought my family's house -- well you can't beat that one lol! 

30 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

we can't love msb like she loves them!

I see what you did there.

 

i saw this in manhattan chinatown over the past weekend  👍

 

 

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17 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

 

i saw this in manhattan chinatown over the past weekend  👍

 

 

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Unfortunately the reviews for this flick aren’t good...but this advert is!

^ ha yeah i see 37% on rotten tomatos so far, but judas and the black messiah gets a 96%.

 

so either way, cle is in currently in play in the zeitgeist of new moviedom.

This got posted on LinkedIn today and has created a lot of discussion. I’ve clearly not read every single comment, but most that I saw wrt to CLE are positive stories and testimonies from people who have moved here, or are in the act of doing so. 
 

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My hovercraft is full of eels

^ Congrats to Tamba Bay lol. 

Any kind of NET positive number is terrific.  More details about this would be helpful.  The decade is sure to show a loss, but a positive year (I believe the last one was 2014) is so essential to selling the city.

Remember: It's the Year of the Snake

On 3/18/2021 at 3:10 PM, surfohio said:

^ Congrats to Tamba Bay lol. 

 

 

oh yeah i hear lots of people are moving to indonesia!  😂

On 3/11/2021 at 10:47 AM, mrnyc said:

michael stanley bought my family's house -- well you can't beat that one lol! 

No doubt! My own rock star story was seeing the Beach Boys walk by at the Ohio state fair sometimes in the 1960's and hearing my mother tisk-tisk because of their long hair and shabby appearance.

 

My hunch is that@KJP became the internet star that he is for the sole reason to share that story with us. LOL 

 

 

 

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American Airlines has posted city guides aimed at summer travel.  The Cleveland guide must have been prepared by someone working for another city's promotion agent.  Offhand, I can think of four photographers on UO who could have done a better job.

 

https://www.americanway.com/city-guides/cleveland/

Remember: It's the Year of the Snake

this is pretty pretty good one!

 

 

On 3/10/2021 at 10:32 AM, Pugu said:

Regarding Michael Stanley, "Why couldn’t the guy who outpaced the likes of Pink Floyd, Bruce Springsteen and the Rolling Stones by setting attendance records at the old Blossom Music Center ever become more than a blip on the national music scene?"

 

The Cleveland grit of Michael Stanley’s music made him beloved here but may have stood in his way nationally: Tony Peyronel

 

https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2021/03/the-cleveland-grit-of-michael-stanleys-music-made-him-beloved-here-but-may-have-stood-in-his-way-nationally-tony-peyronel.html

 

During that era, Cleveland was a test market of sorts, non-local bands that did well here were likely to do well elsewhere.   However, it was also known that we were big on our local bands, so that point otherwise in our favor got discounted.

When MSB was getting big locally,  disco was beginning to be big nationally.   But not in Cleveland.   Here it mostly stayed club music.  Nevertheless, to the rest of the nation MSB was dated.   They remained so in the early 80s when new wave began to be big:  but not so big here.   

The Generators were IMO one of the best new wave bands of their era but never got big outside of this area.   Meanwhile Chrissy Hynde went to the UK, and half of the Cars (probably the Clevelandest band in the Rock Hall) found their way from the suburbs to Boston.

6 hours ago, E Rocc said:

They remained so in the early 80s when new wave began to be big:  but not so big here.   
 

 

You clearly hung around with different people in the early 80s than I did. We were all big in to new wave -- Soft Cell, Human League, Depeche Mode, Yaz, Psychedelic Furs, Spoons, Flock of Seagulls, Ultravox, Gary Numan, etc.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

On 4/4/2021 at 10:02 PM, KJP said:

 

You clearly hung around with different people in the early 80s than I did. We were all big in to new wave -- Soft Cell, Human League, Depeche Mode, Yaz, Psychedelic Furs, Spoons, Flock of Seagulls, Ultravox, Gary Numan, etc.

 

I was too at times.   I caught a lot of Generators shows and saw what I think was one of the first Exotic Birds shows at Case.   But for a lot of people in this era it was still all about rock and roll.   New wave wasn't eschewed to the degree disco was, but never really took over.

Nice to see his enthusiasm for Cleveland.  

 

 

On 4/2/2021 at 10:31 PM, Sapper Daddy said:

 

https://www.10best.com/awards/travel/best-arts-district/
 

Some stiff competition here but University Circle currently sitting in 3rd.

 

 

 

i just voted now and i have good news so far:

 

currently uc is ranked #1 of 20.

 

keep the votes coming --- we all know the clev knows how to stuff a ballot box lol!

just thinking, by 2030 Cleveland could have a quantum computer on 105th, wind turbines in lake Erie, and a hyperloop train....   pretty progressive (not politically speaking)...

It's amazing that people still believe hyperloop is practical. Here is a discussion on why it's not doable from engineering and economic perspectives...

 

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

3 hours ago, KJP said:

It's amazing that people still believe hyperloop is practical. Here is a discussion on why it's not doable from engineering and economic perspectives...

 

 

I wonder how many technological advances had someone claiming it could not be done...  right now people are saying quantum computers cannot be done...   there are people saying mRNA vaccines are not possible...   one way to find out...   time...

That must be the ugliest home in Bratenahl.

Well this is cool:

 

 

And TIL that Tracy Chapman is from Cleveland. 

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When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?

The “album covers” for each NFL team that were created for the draft this weekend are the best incorporation of rock n roll into a Cleveland event in YEARS. Note that the price tag on each album cover is the year that the team was founded. This is just outstanding work.

 

 

When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?

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