1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

From my perspective, the national opinion of Cleveland is the highest it’s been in my whole life (born 1977). It’s still not good, but it’s a far cry from what it was in the mid-80s, in a good way. And I’m not all that concerned with what other people think of the area.

Only problem about what other people think of the area is that some of them are decision makers for things such as locating major facilities and airline service.

1 hour ago, LibertyBlvd said:

It does seem like the Cleveland area has been on the losing end of M&A more often than not.  Just last year, it was announced that Pierre's Ice Cream was being acquired by Ohio Processors, Inc. of Columbus.  Platform Beer recently shut down after being acquired by Anheuser-Busch.  And ditto for so many others over the years.  Sadly, I think Cleveland is still perceived by many outsiders as an old, dirty, industrial city with crappy weather.

 

I know of so many people who have dreaded moving to/visiting this area only to be, in a serious way, pleasantly surprised!

56 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

I think people have forgotten about the mistake on the Lake mantra from the 80s.  Cleveland's struggles stem from the de-industrialization of the 70s-2010s and the changing economy. No longer did you need the concentration of labor to work in huge factories and many of the white collar support positions left as well when those large manufacturers left town. That has since stabilized and Cleveland (although shrinking some) is not viewed in the same light as it used to be. It is certainly never sunk to the level of Detroit. 

 

Cleveland's biggest problem is more of the surrounding problem for NE Ohio in general. Canton/Akron/Youngstown are cities that are shrinking and Cleveland feels some of the residuals from that. However, from community assets (Clinic, Case, strong biotech, other infrastructure, a strong financial and legal sector (although not what it once was 40 years ago)) and Cleveland will be stable for a certain extent. The other problem Cleveland suffers from is the weather, which is a hinderance. The Lake and beauty of that is a huge asset but the constant gray skies, all the snow, etc make it tough to live there for 1/2 the year.  Look at all the Great Lake cities (Chicago, Milwaukee, Buffalo, Detroit) they suffer from the same fete although Chicago and Milwaukee sit west of the lake so they dont get as much snow.  Give an exec the choice to live in Cleveland and place their business there or live in Florida, Nashville, Carolinas, or even Columbus/Cincinnati and the weather factor is certainly an important factor there. 

Perception is everything. I’ve spent significant time in Cleveland and Columbus. I remember talking to a Clevelander living in Columbus a few years ago how about how gray Cleveland versus Columbus. I actually had the opposite opinion. I thought both cities were pretty gray compared to most cities. The nerd in me looked it up. By one metric (sunshine hours on Wiki) Cleveland has over 100 more sunshine hours a year that Columbus. From March to October Cleveland gets a decent amount more sunshine hours than Columbus. Cleveland has two months in the summer that approach 300 hours per month. By another metric Columbus is 1% less cloudy than Cleveland. Yes, Cleveland has tough winters and deep gray skies for 3 months, but both Cleveland and Columbus are gray cities relative to other cities across the nation. Yet, I very rarely hear someone say Columbus has gray skies. 

Edited April 14, 20232 yr by Sir2geez

31 minutes ago, DHubb said:

Interesting that other regions with bad winter weather (Minneapolis/St Paul, bitter cold; Toronto, cold w/plenty of snow; Boston, crippling blizzards; Seattle, chilly, gloomy, always raining, etc...) are successful.  True, Cleveland has not only stabilized, but come a long way, but still has a long way to go.

Weather is a detriment to Minneapolis too. Minneapolis has a couple of advantages that Cleveland doesn't that helps them. 

1) MSP is a capital city so they have the government job stabilizer. Also, they have a large state university (similar setup to Columbus)

2) MSP does not have a competition for talent. Look at the geography - If you grow up in the Dakotas, Iowa and parts of Wisconsin and want to go to a larger city, MSP is your basis and starting point. There really is not other city that is a peer to them or larger to them outside of Chicago which is 6 hours away.  Within that same 6 hour driving distance to Cleveland you have (Chicago, Columbus, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Detroit and Indianapolis) all of which could be considered "Peer cities" for talent. If you grow up in small town Iowa and want to go to a large city but still be within a few hour drive from home to see family, what are your options?  You have a lot more options in Ohio than you do in Minnesota.

 

Toronto is a unique animal because it is essentially the financial capital of Canada. it is Canada's version of New York now. 

 

Seattle thrived because of a unique blend of talent that came during the exact right time to help the city mature into the computer age. Cleveland was not set up for that (and that is not necessarily a fault of anyone there) because they were set up as an industrial powerhouse and churning out all the goods consumed in the country during that period.

 

The best peer city to Cleveland is Pittsburgh and they both have followed a similar trend over the last 50-60 years. Pittsburgh has slightly better weather, but Cleveland has far more prettier girls :) lol

1 minute ago, Sir2geez said:

Perception is everything. I’ve spent significant time in Cleveland and Columbus. I remember talking to a Clevelander living in Columbus a few years ago how about how gray Cleveland versus Columbus. I actually had the opposite opinion. I thought both cities were pretty gray compared to most cities. The nerd in me looked it up. By one metric (sunshine hours on Wiki) Cleveland has over 100 more sunshine hours a year that Columbus. From March to October Cleveland gets a decent amount more sunshine hours than Columbus. Cleveland has two months in the summer that approach 300 hours per month. By another metric Columbus is 1% less cloudy than Cleve

I do not think the reported stats give an accurate picture of things from the Cleveland perspective. Columbus, yes I can see because it is flat and there is not much topical dynamic that can influence the weather, but the lake plays a huge factor in things with Cleveland. Sometimes in Cleveland, it can be sunny in Westlake but cloudy in Shaker. I think you get more sun on the Westside than East so it depends where you are when you measure things. If the data is being reported from the airport, then conditions could be quite different if you go to Shaker or Euclid or Painesville. I have driven to Cleveland many times where it has been sunny and bright in Strongsville but when I get to Euclid it is cloudy and gray. 

^ I’m not sure about that. I went to Pitt. Pittsburgh is just behind Seattle in the number of clouds/gray skies. 

5 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

I do not think the reported stats give an accurate picture of things from the Cleveland perspective. Columbus, yes I can see because it is flat and there is not much topical dynamic that can influence the weather, but the lake plays a huge factor in things with Cleveland. Sometimes in Cleveland, it can be sunny in Westlake but cloudy in Shaker. I think you get more sun on the Westside than East so it depends where you are when you measure things. If the data is being reported from the airport, then conditions could be quite different if you go to Shaker or Euclid or Painesville. I have driven to Cleveland many times where it has been sunny and bright in Strongsville but when I get to Euclid it is cloudy and gray. 

I grew up in the Heights. I understand Cleveland weather. Yes, in the winter, late fall and, early that happens, but once winter is over, the lake influence wanes significantly when it comes clouds. 

Edited April 14, 20232 yr by Sir2geez

1 hour ago, TBideon said:

There are probably hundreds of urbanohio pages (thousands?) relating to this topic, all full of ideas, some whimsical, some grounded in reaility, that discuss the perception and reality of businesses struggling and ways to combat it. Do we really need to relitigate the same topic in yet another forum? 

 

I feel ya.

 

I'll just say this.  If this topic even remotely goes into Columbus-bashing or Cincinnati-bashing or Cleveland-whining, I'm shutting this thread down faster than the Shinkansen.  In other words, don't bring up Columbus or Cincinnati or Akron or whatever and you'll generally have no problem.  

Winters aren't anywhere near as bad as they used to be. I missed a week of school in 1977 because of the cold, and that was during a streak of more than 30 days below freezing. There were also 20 days of below zero temps that winter. The next winter had the infamous Blizzard of 78. We had lots of near-record cold temps in the 1980s and the coldest day ever (-20) in 1994. We almost never go below zero anymore, and the snow no longer stays on the ground from Thanksgiving to March like it often did when I was a kid.

 

But don't take my memories for it. I wrote about the shifting agricultural growing areas (called plant hardiness zones) in this article......

 

https://neo-trans.blog/2022/10/17/cleveland-benefits-from-national-migration-shift/

 

And who would have ever thought Cleveland’s weather would be a draw to residents? For all its faults, Cleveland’s weather never burned down thousands of acres, inundated coastal communities or threatened to dry up or salinate one of the most important things that all humans need to sustain their lives — fresh water. And Cleveland’s weather is moderating according to 30-year trends.

 

Our winters aren’t as long, cold and snowy as they used to be. The reason is that Cleveland’s climate today is in a zone that was located across southern Ohio and Kentucky 30 years ago. That can be tracked by the northward shift of an agricultural climate zone called the Plant Hardiness Zone by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA). Northern Ohio was in USDA Zone 5 until a 2012 update. Now it is mostly in Zone 6 (for reference, Alaska is in Zone 1, the Tropics are in Zone 13). And the zones are moving northward at 13 miles per decade, according to a report published in 2018 by Yale University’s School of the Environment with average air temperatures in the Great Lakes region rising 3-5 degrees Fahrenheit by 2050 and 6-11 degrees Fahrenheit by 2100.

 

Furthermore, the report notes that the arid Western plains of North America has historically met the continent’s wetter, eastern region near the 100th Meridian. This climatic boundary has shifted about 140 miles east since 1980, meaning the location of where cold, dry Canadian air collides with warm, moist Gulf of Mexico air has also moved. That has helped to push the most dangerous parts of “Tornado Alley” from an Indiana-Texas line southeastward into Dixie. And it means Ohio and especially Cleveland are less likely to see tornadoes than they did 30 years ago, and much less so when compared to the 1950s.

 

18 minutes ago, Sir2geez said:

Yes, Cleveland has tough winters and deep gray skies for 3 months...

Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  This past winter wasn't so bad.  And it is typically the east side "snow belt" that gets the worst of any snow event.  I sometimes wish Moses Cleaveland would have settled a bit to the west, maybe around Vermilion.  I don't think they get very much snow there.

9 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

 

I feel ya.

 

I'll just say this.  If this topic even remotely goes into Columbus-bashing or Cincinnati-bashing or Cleveland-whining, I'm shutting this thread down faster than the Shinkansen.  In other words, don't bring up Columbus or Cincinnati or Akron or whatever and you'll generally have no problem.  

 

Why don't we move this conversation into the I Love Cleveland thread?

37 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Why don't we move this conversation into the I Love Cleveland thread?

 

Good idea and done.

1 hour ago, ColDayMan said:

 

I feel ya.

 

I'll just say this.  If this topic even remotely goes into Columbus-bashing or Cincinnati-bashing or Cleveland-whining, I'm shutting this thread down faster than the Shinkansen.  In other words, don't bring up Columbus or Cincinnati or Akron or whatever and you'll generally have no problem.  

ColDayMan,

I don't mean to sound whiny.  I always keep track of the goings-on in NE Ohio in terms of business and new development and while I see a lot of wonderful things happening here, I look at rankings (I know many are somewhat bogus) and Cleveland is still at the bottom.  Also, I'm concerned about things like RTA's dropping ridership over the past several years and the future of Hopkins Airport, a major component of NE Ohio's economic system.

 

It's interesting that the "Rust Belt" is becoming a frequently referenced as a climate change refuge.

1 hour ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

The best peer city to Cleveland is Pittsburgh and they both have followed a similar trend over the last 50-60 years. Pittsburgh has slightly better weather, but Cleveland has far more prettier girls :) lol

That's a good one!

I don't think many business leaders make decisions based on impressions; they work from data.

 

And population data show that the whole region, from Toledo to Buffalo to Pittsburgh down to WV is losing population when the rest of the country is growing. That translates to difficulty finding employees, and difficulty convincing current employees to move. And lets be fair, there are large parts of the oldest sections of Youngstown, Cleveland, Toledo, Detroit and even small cities that are in terrible shape, much worse than other places in the US. There's no "Detroit" in Phoenix or Denver, or even NYC or DC anymore. The old Rust Belt is perhaps stopped rusting, but the shine has not returned. Once the city AND metro population of these cities begins to grow again, private investment will return. 

 

I usually hear generally positive things about the big cities in Ohio from outsiders for real. The stigma is OHIO after the name! People bash Ohio like crazy. Cleveland and the others have an Ohio problem, not a city image problem IMO. I say I grew up near Cleveland, the response is usually positve if someone has visited. Saying I grew up in Ohio, I get a negative response...backward, conservative, hell hole. Just my experience living in a liberal city.

 

Michigan, WI and PA seemed to have changed the trajectory of their rust belt perceptions. Ohio has not...not one bit, and it gets worse each year. The cities fight an uphill battle with the state.

6 hours ago, DHubb said:

ColDayMan,

I don't mean to sound whiny.  I always keep track of the goings-on in NE Ohio in terms of business and new development and while I see a lot of wonderful things happening here, I look at rankings (I know many are somewhat bogus) and Cleveland is still at the bottom.  Also, I'm concerned about things like RTA's dropping ridership over the past several years and the future of Hopkins Airport, a major component of NE Ohio's economic system.

 

It's interesting that the "Rust Belt" is becoming a frequently referenced as a climate change refuge.

 

I understand and I didn't mean to insinuate that you are whiny.  You're not; you're genuinely concerned for Cleveland and I see that.  I (and others) have seen those type of threads devolve from genuine discussion about improving Cleveland's economy to "Columbus sucks." Multiple. Times.

 

Thus, as @KJP suggested, I moved it here for you to continue the discussion.  Hope you understand!

1 hour ago, metrocity said:

I usually hear generally positive things about the big cities in Ohio from outsiders for real. The stigma is OHIO after the name! People bash Ohio like crazy. Cleveland and the others have an Ohio problem, not a city image problem IMO. I say I grew up near Cleveland, the response is usually positve if someone has visited. Saying I grew up in Ohio, I get a negative response...backward, conservative, hell hole. Just my experience living in a liberal city.

 

Michigan, WI and PA seemed to have changed the trajectory of their rust belt perceptions. Ohio has not...not one bit, and it gets worse each year. The cities fight an uphill battle with the state.

 

The New York Times Style Manual says Cleveland is a city that does not require a state identifier.  Leave off the Ohio appendage if you want.

Former Boddie Recording studio considered for landmark status in Cleveland

By Kabir Bhatia

 

"The former site of a groundbreaking Cleveland recording studio could be headed toward landmark status.

 

The Boddie Recording Company was the city’s first Black-owned studio, operating from the 1950s through the 1990s. The Landmarks Commission voted Thursday to approve landmark status for the company's former headquarters, a house at 12202 Union Avenue in the Mt. Pleasant neighborhood.

 

Boddie recorded rock, gospel, soul and R&B acts, including the O'Jays at Leo’s Casino. Cleveland Planning Director Joyce Pan Huang said many aspiring musicians felt “the road to stardom went through Cleveland” and would patronize Boddie due to the company’s low recording rates and in-house pressing plant."

 

https://www.ideastream.org/arts-culture/2023-04-14/former-boddie-recording-studio-considered-for-landmark-status-in-cleveland

And now we can watch it slide into the water. 

 

Hate to be a downer, but apparently the Navy is disappointed with the Littoral Combat Ship concept, and is cancelling both classes early.  They'll instead be building larger, more capable traditional frigates to fill the roles these ships were supposed to.

On 4/15/2023 at 12:57 AM, Dougal said:

 

The New York Times Style Manual says Cleveland is a city that does not require a state identifier.  Leave off the Ohio appendage if you want.

https://writingexplained.org/ap-style/ap-style-datelines

On 4/14/2023 at 3:28 PM, Sir2geez said:

^ I’m not sure about that. I went to Pitt. Pittsburgh is just behind Seattle in the number of clouds/gray skies. 

I think in Pittsburgh its called pollution :) 

On 4/14/2023 at 3:26 PM, Brutus_buckeye said:

I do not think the reported stats give an accurate picture of things from the Cleveland perspective. Columbus, yes I can see because it is flat and there is not much topical dynamic that can influence the weather, but the lake plays a huge factor in things with Cleveland. Sometimes in Cleveland, it can be sunny in Westlake but cloudy in Shaker. I think you get more sun on the Westside than East so it depends where you are when you measure things. If the data is being reported from the airport, then conditions could be quite different if you go to Shaker or Euclid or Painesville. I have driven to Cleveland many times where it has been sunny and bright in Strongsville but when I get to Euclid it is cloudy and gray. 

Oh yes...I live in the middle of the snowbelt (Geauga County).  I've often traveled from Hopkins to my home with a dusting at Hopkins to 6+ inches at my house.

On 4/14/2023 at 6:27 PM, westerninterloper said:

I don't think many business leaders make decisions based on impressions; they work from data.

 

And population data show that the whole region, from Toledo to Buffalo to Pittsburgh down to WV is losing population when the rest of the country is growing. That translates to difficulty finding employees, and difficulty convincing current employees to move. And lets be fair, there are large parts of the oldest sections of Youngstown, Cleveland, Toledo, Detroit and even small cities that are in terrible shape, much worse than other places in the US. There's no "Detroit" in Phoenix or Denver, or even NYC or DC anymore. The old Rust Belt is perhaps stopped rusting, but the shine has not returned. Once the city AND metro population of these cities begins to grow again, private investment will return. 

Yes, it's a slow process, but I think with all the progress Cleveland/NEOH has made over the last decade, and an increasing number of positive stories from the media, things, IMHO, are looking up.

Cleveland has more to offer than most cities including some of the cities mentioned up thread.  Given the new investment is housing, my sense is that Cleveland will very soon see positive gains in population. 

Also, companies are shutting down and consolidating everywhere including NYC.  One reason I was glad Bibb won is we needed a fresh perspective.  While there will sure to be a few growing pains, he appears smart and has started to duplicate a few things from other successful cities such as new street meters, WSM to a not-for-profit and a new Cleveland website that does not look like it’s from the birth of the intranet.  These are small things, but they were never done before and they leave an impression of visitors.  

On 4/15/2023 at 5:21 PM, X said:

Hate to be a downer, but apparently the Navy is disappointed with the Littoral Combat Ship concept, and is cancelling both classes early.  They'll instead be building larger, more capable traditional frigates to fill the roles these ships were supposed to.

The speculation is that these Freedom Class ships will be on the foreign sales list well before their retirement dates.  There are navies in the world for which they would function very nicely, assuming they get the gear box problem fixed.

On 4/15/2023 at 5:21 PM, X said:

Hate to be a downer, but apparently the Navy is disappointed with the Littoral Combat Ship concept, and is cancelling both classes early.  They'll instead be building larger, more capable traditional frigates to fill the roles these ships were supposed to.

 

 

we toured a littoral combat ship, the uss milwaukee, at the homeport on staten island last memorial day during fleet week.

 

no mention of lcs ships being canceled, in fact the docent went on about how well used they are in the navy.

 

it seemed kind of a weird class of ship to me, not fully one thing (combat) or the other (supply).

 

One funny thing about city perceptions- they are generational.  Baby boomers, gen X and even some older millennials have a perception that Cleveland is the mistake by the lake, etc.  younger millennials and the youngest generations really just view it as another fun city that you can enjoy, eat well.  They don’t really know about the downfall of our primary industry and the ramifications.  I was sitting on a plane next two an older man and a younger woman.  The older man made a comment about the “mistake by the lake”, they younger woman had no idea what he was talking about and said “awww, why did you call it that, I had fun here.”  Many of my younger extended family members come into town and it’s another place loaded with social media picture destinations

Oops.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/04/new-uss-cleveland-damaged-in-tugboat-collision-during-navy-christening.html

On 4/18/2023 at 8:18 AM, BelievelandD1 said:

One funny thing about city perceptions- they are generational.  Baby boomers, gen X and even some older millennials have a perception that Cleveland is the mistake by the lake, etc.  younger millennials and the youngest generations really just view it as another fun city that you can enjoy, eat well.  They don’t really know about the downfall of our primary industry and the ramifications.  I was sitting on a plane next two an older man and a younger woman.  The older man made a comment about the “mistake by the lake”, they younger woman had no idea what he was talking about and said “awww, why did you call it that, I had fun here.”  Many of my younger extended family members come into town and it’s another place loaded with social media picture destinations

IMHO, Mistake on/by the Lake is mostly a Boomer thing, though, there are many Boomers who have done and are doing great things for Cleveland and surroundings.  I believe many Boomers were exposed to the embarrassments of the 60's & 70's:  burning river, Mayor Perk's hair catching on fire, city going into default, etc...All these incidents were frequently echoed as jokes on the late night shows such as the Tonight Show.

1 hour ago, DHubb said:

IMHO, Mistake on/by the Lake is mostly a Boomer thing, though, there are many Boomers who have done and are doing great things for Cleveland and surroundings.  I believe many Boomers were exposed to the embarrassments of the 60's & 70's:  burning river, Mayor Perk's hair catching on fire, city going into default, etc...All these incidents were frequently echoed as jokes on the late night shows such as the Tonight Show.

 

 

there were a few jokes on the tonight show, sure, but actually the people who said things like that the most were by far clevelanders themselves. roldo? minister of culture micheal heaton anyone? every first paragraph in the peedee? it was ridiculously relentless in local media and they weirdly rode it down way past its expiration date.

 

any other non-clevelander boomers of that age who visited cleveland back then have only ever said good things to me, like they loved partying in the flats, the art museum, the lake, etc.. 

1 hour ago, mrnyc said:

That's good to hear.  I agree, for a long time, Clevelanders were their own worst enemies.

 

there were a few jokes on the tonight show, sure, but actually the people who said things like that the most were by far clevelanders themselves. roldo? minister of culture micheal heaton anyone? every first paragraph in the peedee? it was ridiculously relentless in local media and they weirdly rode it down way past its expiration date.

 

any other non-clevelander boomers of that age who visited cleveland back then have only ever said good things to me, like they loved partying in the flats, the art museum, the lake, etc.. 

 

This is the kind of thing that made us the butt of jokes in the 1970s and 80s...

 

 

i got myself invited to use google bard a.i., so i have been taking it for a spin all day 😅

 

 

WILL CLEVELAND BECOME A POPULAR CITY?

 

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Cleveland is a city with a rich history and culture, and it has a lot to offer residents and visitors alike. In recent years, the city has been making a comeback, and it is becoming more and more popular.

 

There are a number of reasons why Cleveland is becoming more popular. One reason is that the city is becoming more affordable. The cost of living in Cleveland is lower than in many other major cities, which makes it a more attractive option for people who are looking to save money.

 

Another reason why Cleveland is becoming more popular is that the city is making a concerted effort to improve its image. The city has been investing in its infrastructure, and it has been working to attract new businesses and residents. As a result of these efforts, Cleveland is becoming a more vibrant and exciting city.

 

Finally, Cleveland is becoming more popular because it has a lot to offer residents and visitors alike. The city has a number of great museums, art galleries, and theaters. It also has a vibrant nightlife scene, and it is home to a number of professional sports teams.

 

Overall, Cleveland is a city on the rise. It is a city with a lot to offer, and it is becoming more and more popular. It is likely that Cleveland will continue to grow in popularity in the years to come.

From Bing AI:

 

"Cleveland has been making efforts to become a more popular city in recent years. The city has been working on a plan to become an "18-hour city," which means that it will be active and vibrant for 18 hours a day. The mayor of Cleveland also expressed the goal to become the first "15-minute city" in America at his State of the City speech. Cleveland is also trying to become 'Kindland' by promoting kindness and community.

 

However, it's difficult to predict whether Cleveland will become a popular city in the future as it depends on various factors such as economic growth, population growth and cultural development."

^ oh ok, nice lowkeying it there bill gates -- you thieving weasal!

 

not to mention, their a.i. misread this -- actually becoming kindland is old school surfer/cali-speak for becoming a weed capitol.  😆

Yeah, the Bing AI one is pretty underwhelming. Skynet it ain't. 

 

Here's another: Describe how Cleveland can become more attractive to residents and businesses.

 

"Cleveland can become more attractive to residents and businesses by improving its infrastructure, creating more job opportunities, and promoting diversity and inclusion. Cleveland can also become a “15-minute city” where everything is closer. This means that people can live closer to their workplaces, schools, and other amenities, which can reduce commuting time and increase productivity.

Cleveland can also improve its public transportation system by making it more efficient and affordable. This can help people get around the city more easily and reduce traffic congestion.

 

In addition, Cleveland can promote its cultural attractions such as museums, theaters, and parks to attract more visitors. This can help boost the local economy by increasing tourism revenue.

 

Finally, Cleveland can create a more diverse and inclusive environment by promoting equal opportunities for all residents. This can help attract businesses that value diversity and inclusion.

 

I hope this helps! Let me know if you have any other questions."

 

 

Sorry I can't remember the source for this pic, but I'll be damned if this isn't a sexy looking city from the North. By FAR the very best angle of CLE.

 

Prove me wrong!!!!

 

 

Goodbye Nautica Queen; hello Lady Caroline.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/04/goodbye-nautica-queen-hello-lady-caroline-new-dining-cruise-will-sail-lake-erie-this-summer.html

On 4/21/2023 at 4:27 PM, mrnyc said:

^ oh ok, nice lowkeying it there bill gates -- you thieving weasal!

 

not to mention, their a.i. misread this -- actually becoming kindland is old school surfer/cali-speak for becoming a weed capitol.  😆

 

That's almost as funny as when a lot of schools had car parades for their senior classes in 2020, encouraging people to turn on all their lights on the route.   It was called "Light Up <town name>" and held on 4/20. 

 

I have reliable sources on 4chan and am told this was an organized effort on their part.   I wonder if "KIndland" was too.

"Kindland" was also the name of a major pro-cannabis website and I'm having fun with this on Twitter.   Thanks @mrnyc!!

I work in the gourmet food business and I was visiting a chef in Las Vegas recently and saw a box of menus printed by a Cleveland company called Cleveland Menu, of which I’d never heard. They are on E. 17th St. Great to see them getting nationwide business at top restaurants.

https://www.clevelandmenu.com/

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tW8R2qFivcAxGoWaA?g_st=ic

So I had my Cleveland bands playlist going last night on the way home from Sagamore Hills, lots of stuff back to back that Holly would have accurately deadpanned was older than her.   As I’m coming into sight of downtown, this song comes on.   (Michael Stanley Band, My Town, the link isn't embedding.) 

 

From the perspective of that era, the town is doing pretty well.   Bunch of new buildings downtown.   Terminal Tower isn’t lonely anymore, it has two friends right next door.   Hell, one of them is even taller.   Nice new ballpark sitting right there at the head of the freeway.   If I noticed the (official) name I would have been all “Well, that’s lame.”  (I still am, of course.    I still call it Jacobs Field.).   Couple of new looking skyscrapers to the east.  Lights on on a Sunday evening…..hmmm, are those residential?

 

I’m going to notice that the steel mills are still going.   This is a good thing.  During that era it was questionable how long that would last.    What’s an “Opportunity Corridor”?   Could it even be (wow) a direct route to UC?  Bet that’s a game changer.

 

There’s lots of other things I don’t see of course, since I’m not getting off downtown.  

 

Certainly there’s the Cleveland 1 and Cleveland 2 issue.  But you don’t really see that from the freeway.

 

From the perspective of 40 years ago, it looks like we’re doing fine.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCouhmcWmLk

Edited May 8, 20232 yr by E Rocc

Cleveland Makes List of Emerging Spring Break Destinations

 

This is from a post made by Dougal in the Skyscraper City forum back on March 7th of this year.  To me, this is a nice surprise!  Who would have thought?   The full article is on cleveland.com.  Links are at the bottom of this post.

 

Here are some snippets from the cleveland.com article:

 

Note:  These are emerging spring break destinations not to be confused with the top spring break destinations.

 

...Snip "There’s a new spring break destination in the mix, and it’s an unexpected one: Cleveland.

The Northeast Ohio city ranks ninth on a list of emerging spring break destinations, as defined by year-over-year growth in Airbnb and Vrbo bookings for March 2023 compared to March 2022.
Short-term rental bookings in Cleveland for this month are up 125% over a year ago, according to Key Data, which tracks metrics in the hospitality industry"...Snip

 

...Snip "Emily Lauer, vice president at Destination Cleveland, said there are lots of reasons families might be headed to town this month, including Disney’s Aladdin at Playhouse Square; men’s and women’s Mid-American Conference college basketball tournaments at Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse; St. Patrick’s Day festivities; the Cleveland International Film Festival; plus the Great Lakes Science Center, Cleveland Metroparks Zoo and other year-round attractions"...Snip

 

Links:

Link to Dougal's post on the Skyscraper City Forum

 

Cleveland.com article, 7 Mar 2023

Note: this is a subscriber only article, but you can get a 7 day pass via your Google, Facebook or Apple account.

This video features the leaders of so many of the cultural institutions that make Cleveland great. 

 

 

 

welp talk about go big or go home — you gotta hand it to the russo bros.

 

apparantly they really did it with blowing netflix $$$ bigtime on the gray man, with mixed results. the leads got $20M each and one single action scene, which got them banned from filming in prague again lol, cost $40M alone:

 

https://screenrant.com/gray-man-movie-budget-cost-most-expensive-justified/

 

so, anybody want a historic cleveland or elsewhere lighthouse?

 

 

 

 

 

News

U.S. is offering free lighthouses as it aims to preserve history

 

By Mark Pratt, AP

commentsPosted on May 27, 2023

 

 

BOSTON (AP) — Ten lighthouses that for generations have stood like sentinels along America’s shorelines protecting mariners from peril and guiding them to safety are being given away at no cost or sold at auction by the federal government.

 

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The four lighthouses being sold at auction include Cleveland Harbor West Pierhead Light, a 50-foot (15.5-meter) steel tower dating to 1911 that is only accessible by boat but has spectacular views of the city skyline.

 

 

 

more:

https://www.amny.com/news/u-s-is-offering-free-lighthouses-as-it-aims-to-preserve-history/

 

 

 

23 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

 

so, anybody want a historic cleveland or elsewhere lighthouse?

 

 

 

 

 

News

U.S. is offering free lighthouses as it aims to preserve history

 

By Mark Pratt, AP

commentsPosted on May 27, 2023

 

 

BOSTON (AP) — Ten lighthouses that for generations have stood like sentinels along America’s shorelines protecting mariners from peril and guiding them to safety are being given away at no cost or sold at auction by the federal government.

 

***

 

The four lighthouses being sold at auction include Cleveland Harbor West Pierhead Light, a 50-foot (15.5-meter) steel tower dating to 1911 that is only accessible by boat but has spectacular views of the city skyline.

 

 

 

more:

https://www.amny.com/news/u-s-is-offering-free-lighthouses-as-it-aims-to-preserve-history/

 

 

 

Definitely a summer place.