May 26, 201015 yr To be fair, I've also seen these guys at the metroparks in a variety of areas but it's easy enough to leave and move on to another spot since there are so many places to alight along the reservations. It really, really, really annoys me but WTF can you do? You can't report someone to the police for sitting in their car looking lecherous. But it annoys me even more now that I'm a parent. You know, can't you just go home and whack off to the internet or meet in a motel? Why do you have to ruin nice parks with your sleazy behavior? Not an excuse but this happens in many parks in many cities. Remember the old parma dude who was arrested last year for this same thing? It takes a strong park movement. If the edgewater had a conservancy (and I pray this post doesn't lead to someone add on with an even longer post) to help clean, coordinate park functions with the neighborhood and market the park that wouldn't happen or it would not be so obvious. A conservancy is good.. Friends of Edgewater is trying hard to make EP a better place by focussing on a cleaner park. However...(and this may be the rant you prayed would not happen!)...On the marketing comment.....trust me, Edgewater Park does not need any favors of "marketing" as it has a time enough already dealing with a percentage of unsavory activity there that could spoil the place. If you have ever worked in a state park/park district/metro-park district and had the tasks of cleaning up after visitors, you will eventually come to the conclusion that our park systems, short staffed as they are, have no business being in the hands of tourism bureaus which will over-promote a place to where the quality is severely underminded. Hawaii is having a big issue with this: the idea that you can "love a place to death" People who enjoy, respect and appreciate these parks will come and discover them, as it has been that way for years until recently.......those who will not, don't need baiting marketing campaigns that say "come one come all" (basically what Ohio Divsion of Parks has done...coupled with outside tourism bureaus as in Hocking Hills) What will happen is that a certain percentage of visitors who end up going will be pigs who leave their filthy mark on the park, pure and simple. Such, in the long run, costs these places in many ways including visually and financially. The visual part is the bigger issue to me because we end up ruining the very appeal that made the place worth visiting in the first place. We already have enough of that at Edgewater, (certain amount of pigs) we don't need to wave the marketing flag to attract more. Some things are just better off left off the market so we can learn how less can be more.
May 27, 201015 yr NPR's Scott Simon and his family love Cleveland: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/05/nprs_scott_simon_thanks_the_cl.html Simon saved his best Cleveland story for last. He described a dinner he and his wife attended recently in New York, where the subject of the Clinic came up. "What's a great hospital like that doing in a place like Cleveland?" a man at the table asked. His wife wasn't happy. "You could practically see steam coming out of her ears. I didn't think she could get that mad at anyone other than me. "She narrowed her gaze at this man and said, 'Oh, do not make Cleveland jokes in front of us.' " It's not just the Clinic doctors who have lowered his family's tolerance for the jokes, he said. It's Clevelanders.
May 27, 201015 yr I liked this line: "I think this hospital is as great as it is because it is in Cleveland."
May 27, 201015 yr The fact hat these jokes still circulate demonstrates ignorance/unawareness on behalf of those still clinging onto them and regurgitating the same old same old stale material---And because of that, to me, the joke is on them.
June 4, 201015 yr From the request of MyTwoSense... Here's a video I shot and edited showing a day in the life of two downtown Cleveland residents...
June 4, 201015 yr Yes, great job Jborger. And yes Docbroc I thought I recognized the Rocky River lady form past stuff about the Avenue District, but she's not nearly as famous as you.
June 4, 201015 yr Great video...I have a girl looking to move Downtown in the next two weeks...I'm going to forward this video to her.
June 7, 201015 yr Encouraged by a new generation of believers in Cleveland By Brent Larkin June 06, 2010, 4:10AM If there is any hope for Cleveland's future, there is one ingredient that's essential to that future. It isn't a medical mart, a restructured county government, or a big idea emanating from City Hall. Not even close. More than anything else, Cleveland must become a magnet for bright, energetic and committed young people -- people who not only love this city, but are obsessed with making it better. http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/06/encouraged_by_a_new_generation.html
June 7, 201015 yr They just feel threatened. For so long they have felt popular for bashing Cleveland, if it becomes uncool, gasp, they might be uncool.
June 7, 201015 yr I don't often beat this drum here but... what the hell is wrong with those people? Do they all have bumper stickers that say "I heart Brain Drain?"
June 7, 201015 yr I don't often beat this drum here but... what the hell is wrong with those people? Do they all have bumper stickers that say "I heart Brain Drain?" Does anyone care? There a number of former cleveland.bomb posters here on UO. Most decided that the negativity and misinformation on cleveland.bomb was too much to deal with. So they started posting here. I believe that is why you only see negative comments on cleveland.bomb because we can come HERE a place that allows us to have civil discussion (OK sometimes heated) even if we do not agree. UP is also a place for representative of developments, project, etc. to post information about their projects. That isn't going to happen on cleveland.bomb. Lastly, the management of the Plain Dealer doesn't care. That crap in the comments section helps feed into the Plain Dealers doom and gloom culture.
June 7, 201015 yr Did you like that jump from a private corporation talking to a local politically insignificant community group turned into an anti local government libertarian rant? Clearly they're just a bunch of agents of the grand liberal conspiracy that Gilbert was pressured to see by the local Illuminati.
June 7, 201015 yr Larkin must of had something good in his prune juice the morning he wrote that. How uncharacteristic... Nice piece. The comments section gave me a brain cramp. I don't often beat this drum here but... what the hell is wrong with those people? Do they all have bumper stickers that say "I heart Brain Drain?" Touching upon the brain drain section for a moment, did you notice how many of the people Larkin talked about came to Cleveland for school and fell in love? I really feel like Cleveland's lack of a large university has compounded the brain drain by not bringing an influx or preserving the current stock of young intelligent people, when compared to Ohio State or University of Cinncy. I am fully behind CSU expanding as damn big as the want to. I have tried adding up Case, JCU and BW but there are similar sized schools in Cincy and C-Bus too, in addition to the big institutes. So I think they end up being a wash, I know that Cleveland students go to Akron and Kent too. But I don't think they do anything to draw people into the city or entice them to stay in the region. Jobs are king after you graduate, I also realize that. So it's a chicken and the egg deal on how to keep/attract young people to the city.
June 7, 201015 yr Some friends and I started a group at CSU dedicated to retaining graduates in the area. So far so good. Many of these people have in-demand degrees and/or capital to start businsses.
June 8, 201015 yr Larkin must of had something good in his prune juice the morning he wrote that. How uncharacteristic... Nice piece. The comments section gave me a brain cramp. I don't often beat this drum here but... what the hell is wrong with those people? Do they all have bumper stickers that say "I heart Brain Drain?" Touching upon the brain drain section for a moment, did you notice how many of the people Larkin talked about came to Cleveland for school and fell in love? I really feel like Cleveland's lack of a large university has compounded the brain drain by not bringing an influx or preserving the current stock of young intelligent people, when compared to Ohio State or University of Cinncy. I am fully behind CSU expanding as damn big as the want to. I have tried adding up Case, JCU and BW but there are similar sized schools in Cincy and C-Bus too, in addition to the big institutes. So I think they end up being a wash, I know that Cleveland students go to Akron and Kent too. But I don't think they do anything to draw people into the city or entice them to stay in the region. Jobs are king after you graduate, I also realize that. So it's a chicken and the egg deal on how to keep/attract young people to the city. I would bet that CWRU brings in more people from outside the country (and maybe outside the state) than all the other colleges and universites in the state combined excluding Ohio State.
June 8, 201015 yr Some friends and I started a group at CSU dedicated to retaining graduates in the area. So far so good. Many of these people have in-demand degrees and/or capital to start businsses. Good to hear.Who knows maybe I will be one of those graduates someday (CM law..HMMM). Both of my siblings got their masters at CSU. And they are still in the area. I guess I should point out they both moved out of state (FLA and CO) and came back.
June 8, 201015 yr I would bet that CWRU brings in more people from outside the country (and maybe outside the state) than all the other colleges and universites in the state combined excluding Ohio State. Wow... highly doubtful, but impressive if true.
June 8, 201015 yr Back on topic. I (heart) driving home after an Indians game with the windows down and radio blaring on a cool summer night.
June 8, 201015 yr I would bet that CWRU brings in more people from outside the country (and maybe outside the state) than all the other colleges and universites in the state combined excluding Ohio State. Wow... highly doubtful, but impressive if true. I'm not sure where to find the percentage break down, but Case's 2008 numbers were: Enrollment (fall 2008): Undergraduate: 4,356 Graduate and Professional: 5,458 Total (headcount, all programs): 9,814 States represented: 50 Countries represented: 87 EDIT: uh oh, i went off topic again. ... I LOVE West Side Market and Great Lakes Brewing Company!!
June 8, 201015 yr I would bet that CWRU brings in more people from outside the country (and maybe outside the state) than all the other colleges and universites in the state combined excluding Ohio State. Wow... highly doubtful, but impressive if true. I'm not sure where to find the percentage break down, but Case's 2008 numbers were: Enrollment (fall 2008): Undergraduate: 4,356 Graduate and Professional: 5,458 Total (headcount, all programs): 9,814 States represented: 50 Countries represented: 87 EDIT: uh oh, i went off topic again. ... I LOVE West Side Market and Great Lakes Brewing Company!! Last I heard about 50% of the undergrad population is from Ohio. The graduate population is obviously MUCH more diverse.
June 8, 201015 yr I don't often beat this drum here but... what the hell is wrong with those people? Do they all have bumper stickers that say "I heart Brain Drain?" Does anyone care? There a number of former cleveland.bomb posters here on UO. Most decided that the negativity and misinformation on cleveland.bomb was too much to deal with. So they started posting here. I believe that is why you only see negative comments on cleveland.bomb because we can come HERE a place that allows us to have civil discussion (OK sometimes heated) even if we do not agree. UP is also a place for representative of developments, project, etc. to post information about their projects. That isn't going to happen on cleveland.bomb. Lastly, the management of the Plain Dealer doesn't care. That crap in the comments section helps feed into the Plain Dealers doom and gloom culture. Cleveland.com is one of the few message boards on the internet that barely moderates its comments, thus it is like flypaper for all of the trolls. Occasionally I still find myself going over there to do battle with them, but only when I'm really bored. Most of the people that post at Cleveland.com wouldn't last a day at a decent message board like this one. It's really a shame that Cleveland's primary newspaper allows such negative crap on its website. edit: I love Shooter's. Cleveland really needs to do something with the Flats area again. So much wasted potential.
June 9, 201015 yr I got banned from Cleveland.com because I said Bush should have been impeached. Their moderator five years ago used to log in as a user and post abusive material. Then he would delete what he did not like.
June 9, 201015 yr ^^ Well, we've been awaiting this a loooong time.... the scaled back version... http://www.flatseast.com/ Yes, the CDC forum is a free for all. Great place to call out the stupid, though.
June 9, 201015 yr I would bet that CWRU brings in more people from outside the country (and maybe outside the state) than all the other colleges and universites in the state combined excluding Ohio State. Wow... highly doubtful, but impressive if true. I'm not sure where to find the percentage break down, but Case's 2008 numbers were: Enrollment (fall 2008): Undergraduate: 4,356 Graduate and Professional: 5,458 Total (headcount, all programs): 9,814 States represented: 50 Countries represented: 87 EDIT: uh oh, i went off topic again. ... I LOVE West Side Market and Great Lakes Brewing Company!! Last I heard about 50% of the undergrad population is from Ohio. The graduate population is obviously MUCH more diverse. For the past two years our incoming class of 1000 students has been over 60% out of state and 8.5% international students, and those numbers will not be going down. As doc broc mentions, the graduate/professional students are even higher percentages. Regarding those students staying - of those that go immediately into the workforce (about 50%), slightly more than 50% of those students take jobs in northeast Ohio. And that's another reason why I love Cleveland!
June 9, 201015 yr I got banned from Cleveland.com because I said Bush should have been impeached. Their moderator five years ago used to log in as a user and post abusive material. Then he would delete what he did not like. I can't imagine Boreas/al would have said something like that. Totally out of character.
June 9, 201015 yr Case is such a great asset for Cleveland, truly a one-of-a-kind institution in Ohio, even if it would be even better if it had a larger enrollment.
June 9, 201015 yr Case is such a great asset for Cleveland, truly a one-of-a-kind institution in Ohio, even if it would be even better if it had a larger enrollment. Bigger doesn't always equate to better!
June 9, 201015 yr Case is such a great asset for Cleveland, truly a one-of-a-kind institution in Ohio, even if it would be even better if it had a larger enrollment. Bigger doesn't always equate to better! Except when it means pumping more smart young minds into Cleveland's economy. :)
June 10, 201015 yr Case is such a great asset for Cleveland, truly a one-of-a-kind institution in Ohio, even if it would be even better if it had a larger enrollment. Bigger doesn't always equate to better! Except when it means pumping more smart young minds into Cleveland's economy. :) Sometimes they pass up on hometown brilliant minds!
June 11, 201015 yr Part of what I enjoyed about Case was its small (sort of) size. My physics classes had only 20-30 students, was taught by full professors and you could ask all the questions you wanted to (within reason). Same with calculus. Chemistry was a different storey but I hated chemistry anyway. Upper level engineering classes were also small. Sometimes only a dozen students and a handful of graduate students (they always blew the curve!). The liberal arts classes were even smaller. My Roman History class (taught by "dad" Lang, RIP, brilliant and humble) only had about eight students. It was like having a private tutor! Not all the professors were great, but most were very good, accessible, and interested in their field. Most of my class of '81 left Cleveland, not because we wanted to, but because there were no jobs.
June 11, 201015 yr I did not know where to put this...just two feel good stories about people pushing for better in Cleveland and reusing what we already have: http://www.wcpn.org/WCPN/news/31052
June 14, 201015 yr Cool relocation story. I actually really enjoy Baltimore everytime I visit...maybe Clevelanders and Baltimore-ians appreciate things more when they come from "underrated" cities: Peter Landgren enjoys the sights and sounds of Cleveland as director of Baldwin-Wallace College's Conservatory of Music http://www.cleveland.com/mycleveland/index.ssf/2010/06/peter_landgren_enjoys_the_sigh.html
June 17, 201014 yr Greater Cleveland's greatness is all up to you Published: Thursday, June 17, 2010, 6:00 AM Regina Brett, The Plain Dealer What's great about greater Cleveland? That was the question posed at the Lunch & Learn event Tuesday at Jones Day law firm in downtown Cleveland. Dennis Lafferty, the executive assistant to the managing partner -- a long title that really means he keeps the entire operation running smoothly -- moderated a panel discussion about the issue. http://www.cleveland.com/brett/blog/index.ssf/2010/06/greater_clevelands_greatness_i.html
June 17, 201014 yr ^My impression is that the last generation of Clevelanders, the Feagler generation, was held hostage to the grander of Cleveland past. Everywhere they looked, they saw defeat. Their whole goal for the city was to get it back to the city they remembered growing up, when Euclid Avenue made the Magnificent mile look like a cheap knock off. Our generation does not have those memories. They don't see defeat, they see a blank canvas. That is especially true of new Clevelanders. So my ultimate idea is to round up all the Feaglers and move them to Columbus (I kid, I kid)
June 17, 201014 yr so true. and we haven't had to witness 30 years of prepetual decline. we've witnessed about 20-25 years of very slow, but very steady progress.
June 17, 201014 yr ^My impression is that the last generation of Clevelanders, the Feagler generation, was held hostage to the grander of Cleveland past. Everywhere they looked, they saw defeat. Their whole goal for the city was to get it back to the city they remembered growing up, when Euclid Avenue made the Magnificent mile look like a cheap knock off. Our generation does not have those memories. They don't see defeat, they see a blank canvas. That is especially true of new Clevelanders. So my ultimate idea is to round up all the Feaglers and move them to Columbus, GA (I kid, I kid) I fixed that for you. >:D
June 17, 201014 yr I don't think it's a clean slate at all, and that's what I love about it. There's less historical city left here to love, compared with others, but in a way that makes what we've managed to retain all the more precious.
June 17, 201014 yr so true. and we haven't had to witness 30 years of prepetual decline. we've witnessed about 20-25 years of very slow, but very steady progress. To quote from the Parkworks thread: "Ann Zoller believes creating exciting public spaces is not just about carefree recreation — it’s a key to making Cleveland a place more people want to live. She’s emerging as a key ally of younger politicians, such as Joe Cimperman and Chris Ronayne, who are gaining in influence and trying to put their optimistic stamp on the city. " It's great to see the next generation(s) ready to push Cleveland forward, because like punch alluded to, most of us see Cleveland as a clean slate. However, we honor and appreciate our history at the same time. IMO the most influential next generation Clevelanders right now are: Joe Cimperman Chris Ronayne Baiju Shah Joe Marinucci Ari Maron Ann Zoller Also, Dr. Toby Cosgrove (good at what he does...just stop knocking over old buildings!!) President Barbara Snyder (CWRU) President Ronald Berkman (CSU) I know people will be ready to throw out more names! (I'm guessing Zaremba, Symon, Welser-Möst, Bruell, Lebron!...but I'm sticking to my top 6 list right now)
June 17, 201014 yr I don't think it's a clean slate at all, and that's what I love about it. There's less historical city left here to love, compared with others, but in a way that makes what we've managed to retain all the more precious. Completely agree!
June 17, 201014 yr so true. and we haven't had to witness 30 years of prepetual decline. we've witnessed about 20-25 years of very slow, but very steady progress. To quote from the Parkworks thread: "Ann Zoller believes creating exciting public spaces is not just about carefree recreation — it’s a key to making Cleveland a place more people want to live. She’s emerging as a key ally of younger politicians, such as Joe Cimperman and Chris Ronayne, who are gaining in influence and trying to put their optimistic stamp on the city. " It's great to see the next generation(s) ready to push Cleveland forward, because like punch alluded to, most of us see Cleveland as a clean slate. However, we honor and appreciate our history at the same time. IMO the most influential next generation Clevelanders right now are: Joe Cimperman Chris Ronayne Baiju Shah Joe Marinucci Ari Maron Ann Zoller Also, Dr. Toby Cosgrove (good at what he does...just stop knocking over old buildings!!) President Barbara Snyder (CWRU) President Ronald Berkman (CSU) I know people will be ready to throw out more names! (I'm guessing Zaremba, Symon, Welser-Möst, Bruell, Lebron!...but I'm sticking to my top 6 list right now) I'd say Fred Geis who may or may not be influential politically, but is putting his money down pretty hard in MidTown.
June 28, 201014 yr This woman *loves* Cleveland with her tattoo: http://www.cleveland.com/pdq/index.ssf/2010/06/jennifer_smith_pays_tribute_to.html
July 13, 201014 yr I love this piece from Anthony Bourdain's blog about Harvey Pekar: http://anthony-bourdain-blog.travelchannel.com/read/the-original-goodbye-splendor?fbid=ZMOOBqgVmrF "...Harvey captured and chronicled every day what was--and will always be--beautiful about Cleveland: the still majestic gorgeousness of what once was--the uniquely quirky charm of what remains, the delightfully offbeat attitude of those who struggle to go on in a city they love and would never dream of leaving. What a two minute overview might depict as a dying, post-industrial town, Harvey celebrated as a living, breathing, richly textured society. A place so incongruously and uniquely...seductive that I often fantasize about making my home there. Though I've made television all over the world, often in faraway and "exotic" places, it's the Cleveland episode that is my favorite--and one about which I am most proud."
July 13, 201014 yr I love this piece from Anthony Bourdain's blog about Harvey Pekar: http://anthony-bourdain-blog.travelchannel.com/read/the-original-goodbye-splendor?fbid=ZMOOBqgVmrF "...Harvey captured and chronicled every day what was--and will always be--beautiful about Cleveland: the still majestic gorgeousness of what once was--the uniquely quirky charm of what remains, the delightfully offbeat attitude of those who struggle to go on in a city they love and would never dream of leaving. What a two minute overview might depict as a dying, post-industrial town, Harvey celebrated as a living, breathing, richly textured society. A place so incongruously and uniquely...seductive that I often fantasize about making my home there. Though I've made television all over the world, often in faraway and "exotic" places, it's the Cleveland episode that is my favorite--and one about which I am most proud." That last paragraph is pretty powerful.
July 13, 201014 yr Such an awesome and deep shout-out to Cleveland and tribute to Harvey. His comments section is blowing up. Keep them going UOers!
July 13, 201014 yr Then there is this article from this idiot at the Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-heilbrunn/the-collapse-of-cleveland_b_644442.html Please join me in emailing him and setting him straight. It's obvious he's never set foot in Cleveland.
July 13, 201014 yr ^This is getting really old. Instead of eulogizing two interesting individuals, he decided to take a jab at Cleveland.
July 13, 201014 yr I've never even heard of the huffington post. And I wonder just how many people around the country have as well. That should tell you all you need to know about the legitimacy of this troll. And yes, he is a troll, not a journalist.
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