Cleveland: it's the dawn of a new day! Cleveland: your ship is about to come in! Cleveland.... er, any other over-used cliches we can use with my photo from this morning, shot from Pier W?

 

Beautiful! Sun has a nice, Plum color to it...

Beautiful! Sun has a nice, Plum color to it...

 

Well Cleveland is a Plum!  ::) ::)

Well Cleveland is a Plum!  ::) ::)

 

Let me borrow one of your "slap" photos -- I have to use it on someone....

^^^^The clouds are parting and the sun is shining at the dawn of a new day as Cleveland's ship comes in?? :-D

lol renaissance hotel

 

 

That is the best thing I have ever seen.

I wish it was a little more specific that "this time of year" is 2 weeks.  Some random visitor might assume the midges hang around or the entire Spring

I'm digging the last bit of the article:

 

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-1/Cleveland-the-city-and-the-Browns-have-become-a-top-NFL-destination/648a3fac-374a-4cc4-aa2b-186b78b79421

 

5)      Cleveland has become a better place to live

 

Take it from me, someone who just moved from Washington D.C. to the revitalized downtown. A friend who visited me called Cleveland “charming,” and it's easy to agree. According to WKYC, the city’s population skyrocketed in 2013. Cleveland’s restaurant scene is one of the most underrated in the country. Places like Little Italy and the West Side Market are staples of why people keep moving back into the city. Why do movies like Captain America keep coming back to film in Cleveland? Because the skyline and uniqueness of the city truly do stand out. Don’t count out the new renovations at FirstEnergy stadium either, which will make the game day experience better for both fans and players. The city itself can now actually be boasted as a pitch to potential Cleveland Browns free agents.

 

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And piggy-backing off this positive vibe: http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/cuyahoga-county/2014/07/02/cleveland--new-downtown-energy-greets-concertgoers/12049943/

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/07/cleveland_orchestra_celebrates.html

"According to WKYC, the city’s population skyrocketed in 2013."

 

 

I wish. I believe he means "downtown's" population skyrocketed

From the NY Times:

 

An Energized Cleveland Takes a Bipartisan Tack to Wooing Conventions

 

By TRIP GABRIELJULY 3, 2014

 

CLEVELAND — Attention, Internet wits: Cleveland has heard all your jokes — about “the mistake by the lake,” about its sports teams failing year after year, about its river so polluted that it once caught fire — and it wants you to know that is tired, worn-out stuff.

 

Downtown Cleveland is busily rehabilitating. The restaurant scene is percolating, and young newcomers are giving faded neighborhoods west of downtown, where brew pubs and bistros are opening, a patina of hipness.

 

And now, Cleveland is a candidate for both the Republicans’ and Democrats’ 2016 conventions — the only city to make both lists. Landing either one, with its tens of thousands of visitors and prime-time TV coverage, would immerse the city in a bath of national attention that is making boosters giddy.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/04/us/cleveland-ohio-2016-election-republican-democratic-conventions.html?_r=0

This is our biggest problem

“What doesn’t help is the inferiority complex so many people have here; there’s no reason for that,” said Connie Schultz, a syndicated columnist who, with her husband, Senator Sherrod Brown, moved from the suburbs last year “to be part of the Cleveland renaissance.”

 

I spoken about our "issue" time and time again. It's not an issue of other cities or the media hating on us, it's NE Ohio that has the problem!

 

I disagree with MyTwoSense that you say it is a Cleveland problem, that Cleveland beats up on itself more than the national news media, and Cleveland itself has an inferiority complex.

 

In the circle of people I hang with, I have always heard positive things about CLE. Everything from our GREAT MetroPark system, culture, sports (win or lose, but winning more), great architecture, restaurants, education choices, housing stock, etc. These thoughts have always existed in my circle of family/friends, not just since the current positive vive being spread around.

 

Most of the negative thinking and comments I have encountered over the years, come from the national news media, celebrities, and people who don't really know CLE.

 

CLE to me has always been a GREAT city. I have always chosen to look at the real CLE. I do not say there is no poverty, crime, deterioration, need for jobs, etc...; but at the same time the bad aspect of CLE comes up in conversation, I also point out the best of CLE. The Metropark's; University Circle cultural institutions; Co's HG'd here; unique CLE features,

(the West Side Market, beautiful architecture (old & new), Play House Square, etc).

 

Do to my career, and the fact a position of the type I seek when looking for employment are far and few in this country, I have had to move away a few times to places like Charlotte, Raleigh NC, and Denver. Yet my heart has always been in CLE, and I never sold my home with the hope of always returning, or vacationing in CLE when living somewhere else.

 

With living in other cities in the US; traveling to many more because of my career, and exploring others on various vacations. I can tell you from my heart, CLE is my choice to call home, and I let everyone know that no matter where I am in this vast world.

 

IMHO, CLE could not have a better ambassador then myself to spread it's message to the naysayer's.

 

 

^Actually, this is one of the rare times I think MTS is correct and not exaggerating!  Cleveland does have a massive inferiority complex and it is a Cleveland specific problem.  I've never encountered another city with anything quite like it.  It's not as bad as it used to be, but a lot of Clevelanders still make casual, disparaging remarks about the city.  It comes so naturally that they probably don't even realize they are doing it.  My pet peeve is when people complain about Cleveland's weather as if Cleveland is the only place on earth that has long, cold winters.  Um, most of the US has long, cold winters and Cleveland doesn't get as much snow as many other places.  Try Minneapolis for a winter.  The worst winters I've ever experienced were in NYC.  I think the Plain Dealer made a step in the right direction when Steve Litt stopped mentioning the "population loss and decline of the last half century" in every single article he wrote. 

^mostly baby boomers, living in the city..most of my neighbors and the younger generation I come across exhibit confidence and have high quality of life. The ppl I always hear doubting are my family members who have pre conceived notions living in the far burbs

^Actually, this is one of the rare times I think MTS is correct and not exaggerating!  Cleveland does have a massive inferiority complex and it is a Cleveland specific problem.  I've never encountered another city with anything quite like it.  It's not as bad as it used to be, but a lot of Clevelanders still make casual, disparaging remarks about the city.  It comes so naturally that they probably don't even realize they are doing it. 

 

Exactly. Agree. But the anti-Cleveland sentiment goes beyond the city and far off into the exurbs of Northeast Ohio. It's easy to say, walk along W25 on a beautiful weekend and see the positive change and all the potential. But there is a lost generation of people who won't even give themselves the chance to see this; their minds are made up and their decisions are validated by selective reading and watching the news. They will stay far outside the city limits for fear of encountering the inconvenience or "dangers" of the inner city. 

^Actually, this is one of the rare times I think MTS is correct and not exaggerating!  Cleveland does have a massive inferiority complex and it is a Cleveland specific problem.  I've never encountered another city with anything quite like it.  It's not as bad as it used to be, but a lot of Clevelanders still make casual, disparaging remarks about the city.  It comes so naturally that they probably don't even realize they are doing it. 

 

Exactly. Agree. But the anti-Cleveland sentiment goes beyond the city and far off into the exurbs of Northeast Ohio. It's easy to say, walk along W25 on a beautiful weekend and see the positive change and all the potential. But there is a lost generation of people who won't even give themselves the chance to see this; their minds are made up and their decisions are validated by selective reading and watching the news. They will stay far outside the city limits for fear of encountering the inconvenience or "dangers" of the inner city. 

 

Perhaps, but every incident gets way more publicity, both in the news and by word of mouth, than general good impressions.  Unless something is done, and perceived to be done, about the incidents, this will continue.

 

I'm not sure there's a politically feasible solution.

^Actually, this is one of the rare times I think MTS is correct and not exaggerating!  Cleveland does have a massive inferiority complex and it is a Cleveland specific problem.  I've never encountered another city with anything quite like it.  It's not as bad as it used to be, but a lot of Clevelanders still make casual, disparaging remarks about the city.  It comes so naturally that they probably don't even realize they are doing it.  My pet peeve is when people complain about Cleveland's weather as if Cleveland is the only place on earth that has long, cold winters.  Um, most of the US has long, cold winters and Cleveland doesn't get as much snow as many other places.  Try Minneapolis for a winter.  The worst winters I've ever experienced were in NYC.  I think the Plain Dealer made a step in the right direction when Steve Litt stopped mentioning the "population loss and decline of the last half century" in every single article he wrote. 

 

It seems like with the exception  of Drew Carey, every comedian from here tries to make it at the expense of here.  The Laugh-In writers were the most famous example, Polk is the latest. 

Inferiority complex or not, it is not a Cleveland specific problem.  Philly has a bit of it for sure.  Baltimore too.  And I would say several states do as well - New Jersey, Mississippi, Arkansas, to name a few.

Hey, New Yorkers are professional complainers! But I don't hear a lot of "woe is me" from places other than Cleveland. The "woe is me" is a loser attitude. If we're waiting for something to happen to cause us to change that attitude, we'll be waiting a long time. You can't win until you believe you're going to win.

I live in NYC and Cleveland has a bad inferiority complex.  When I go back home and I tell people I liven in NY, the first thing they say is how do you like Cleveland.  Also, the town seems very negative when I come home but that seems to be getting better with the positive momentum happening in and around downtown.  My view is that Cleveland is headed in the right direction and better than a lot of similar sized cities.  The GOP selection Cleveland as a finalists regardless of Ohio being a swing state says a lot about what the city has to offer.     

The woe is me people are a self selecting group that is slowly moving out to more of those 'wonderful destinations' like Arizona, California, and wherever else.

 

Some learn that the stuff they complained about here happens everywhere, and move back with a fantastic new appreciation. Then again some don't.

 

My favorite is an ex coworker who moved to Chicago and continually posts on Facebook every time there is a homicide in Cleveland over a holiday weekend. I post the Chicago police blotter in their comments section  and watch the backpedaling.

The woe is me people are a self selecting group that is slowly moving out to more of those 'wonderful destinations' like Arizona, California, and wherever else.

 

Some learn that the stuff they complained about here happens everywhere, and move back with a fantastic new appreciation. Then again some don't.

 

My favorite is an ex coworker who moved to Chicago and continually posts on Facebook every time there is a homicide in Cleveland over a holiday weekend. I post the Chicago police blotter in their comments section  and watch the backpedaling.

 

^ Haha!

 

Some of them are still here, hiding out in the suburbs. My friends parents live down in Wadsworth and are big into casinos. I asked them if they were excited to come up and see the Horseshoe. Mom just shook her head slowly "no" and Dad said "They put it right smack dab in the most dangerous part of the city. Nope. We'll stick with Erie and Atlantic City and Wheeling." 

 

I'm not quite sure whether I should flat out insist they come visit, or if I don't even want them here lol.

My favorite is an ex coworker who moved to Chicago and continually posts on Facebook every time there is a homicide in Cleveland over a holiday weekend. I post the Chicago police blotter in their comments section  and watch the backpedaling.

 

Really?? Someone from Chicago of all places tried to rag on us for our homicides? That's like someone from Fairbanks teasing Cleveland for having cold winters!

^It's dumb, but for the record, I'm pretty sure the City of Cleveland has had a higher murder rate than the City of Chicago for several years running.

OK, so it's more like Pittsburgh chiding Cleveland for its bad winters!

 

Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter per 100,000 people (2012)

 

1.  Detroit -- 54.6

10. Cleveland -- 21.3

13. Chicago -- 18.5

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

^ :wink:

Average yearly snowfall

 

Buffalo - 93.6 in

Cleveland -  60.4 inches

Pittsburgh - 41.4 inches

 

 

I was just reading the Miami Herald and almost spit out my drink. One of the Miami Heat fans said, " Why would Lebron do back to Cleveland when he has all of this here in Miami, come on Cleveland is just....Cleveland"          Seriously, Cleveland isn't using "Cleveland is just Cleveland" as a slogan is it?

^ if we drop the "just", I kind of like. A nice campaign along these lines.or heck maybe even keep the just.

 

Cleveland is not the Mistake By the Lake.

Or the little Detroit.

or the next' Portland.

Or the 'new' Brooklyn.

Or ...etc etc..

 

Cleveland is Just Cleveland, no adjective required.

^ :wink:

Average yearly snowfall

 

Buffalo - 93.6 in

Cleveland -  60.4 inches

Pittsburgh - 41.4 inches

 

 

 

Yep, which is why I cited a city slightly less snowfall than Cleveland to make my point.

 

Anyhoo....

 

One of the best news assignments I ever had was riding in a traffic helicopter between downtown Cleveland skyscrapers in the late 90s. My only regret was that I didn't take a video camera. Well, fortunately....

 

Video: High Definition Drone Footage Of Downtown Cleveland http://t.co/YODRPVQ5wB

I disagree with MyTwoSense that you say it is a Cleveland problem, that Cleveland beats up on itself more than the national news media, and Cleveland itself has an inferiority complex.

 

In the circle of people I hang with, I have always heard positive things about CLE. Everything from our GREAT MetroPark system, culture, sports (win or lose, but winning more), great architecture, restaurants, education choices, housing stock, etc. These thoughts have always existed in my circle of family/friends, not just since the current positive vive being spread around.

 

Most of the negative thinking and comments I have encountered over the years, come from the national news media, celebrities, and people who don't really know CLE.

 

CLE to me has always been a GREAT city. I have always chosen to look at the real CLE. I do not say there is no poverty, crime, deterioration, need for jobs, etc...; but at the same time the bad aspect of CLE comes up in conversation, I also point out the best of CLE. The Metropark's; University Circle cultural institutions; Co's HG'd here; unique CLE features,

(the West Side Market, beautiful architecture (old & new), Play House Square, etc).

 

Do to my career, and the fact a position of the type I seek when looking for employment are far and few in this country, I have had to move away a few times to places like Charlotte, Raleigh NC, and Denver. Yet my heart has always been in CLE, and I never sold my home with the hope of always returning, or vacationing in CLE when living somewhere else.

 

With living in other cities in the US; traveling to many more because of my career, and exploring others on various vacations. I can tell you from my heart, CLE is my choice to call home, and I let everyone know that no matter where I am in this vast world.

 

IMHO, CLE could not have a better ambassador then myself to spread it's message to the naysayer's.

 

 

 

Question?  Are you a native of NE Ohio?  Cleveland specifically?  I'm 48 years young and the people that live here have an inferiority complex so big, it could support the building of 2nd Terminal Tower complex!

 

Example when something opens people are "afraid" or "concerned"  that another business will go out of business.  Example when East 4th came online, people were "worried" it would affect the WHD and there wouldn't be enough people to support both neighborhoods.

 

The root of the problem is in Cleveland residents and the media.  I like you and very proud of my city and in no way think every resident of the area is a Debbie Downer, but as a region we are very insecure.

Inferiority complex or not, it is not a Cleveland specific problem.  Philly has a bit of it for sure.  Baltimore too.  And I would say several states do as well - New Jersey, Mississippi, Arkansas, to name a few.

 

I would agree.  Living in NYC part time, I joke but at the same time serious about hating NJ.  When I was in the process of selling the brownstone and was looking at condos, I wouldn't even look at unit if the view was of NJ.  IMO, NJ is the armpit of America.  There are many other cities which could fall under the issue thing, but we seem to hang onto things.  Recent example, LeBron - Decision 1.0, people made it about Miami is a better place to live than Cleveland instead of LeBron doing what he felt was right for his career at that time.

When I was interviewed for an article in the July issue of Cleveland Business Connects, one of the writer's comments was "a lot of Clevelanders think of their city as 'ahhh, pfft...' - what do you think of them?" I try not to read into things but I think they were expecting something to play into the inferiority complex.

 

Instead, my response (which didn't make it into the article ;-) ) was something along the lines of 'I don't think about them, I don't care about them or anyone else who can't appreciate what they have. Plenty of people have bought my book, viewed my site, sent complimentary emails and my work is on a TV show every week with Betty White - am I really going worry about the opinions of some miserable idiots?'

 

http://cbcmagazine.com/2014/06/24/etrends-website-keeps-tabs-on-cleveland-skyscrapers/

The woe is me people are a self selecting group that is slowly moving out to more of those 'wonderful destinations' like Arizona, California, and wherever else.

 

Some learn that the stuff they complained about here happens everywhere, and move back with a fantastic new appreciation. Then again some don't.

 

My favorite is an ex coworker who moved to Chicago and continually posts on Facebook every time there is a homicide in Cleveland over a holiday weekend. I post the Chicago police blotter in their comments section  and watch the backpedaling.

 

The Second City Cop blog would be even more brutal lol.

 

Florida people come back at least as quickly as anywhere else.

I disagree with MyTwoSense that you say it is a Cleveland problem, that Cleveland beats up on itself more than the national news media, and Cleveland itself has an inferiority complex.

 

In the circle of people I hang with, I have always heard positive things about CLE. Everything from our GREAT MetroPark system, culture, sports (win or lose, but winning more), great architecture, restaurants, education choices, housing stock, etc. These thoughts have always existed in my circle of family/friends, not just since the current positive vive being spread around.

 

Most of the negative thinking and comments I have encountered over the years, come from the national news media, celebrities, and people who don't really know CLE.

 

CLE to me has always been a GREAT city. I have always chosen to look at the real CLE. I do not say there is no poverty, crime, deterioration, need for jobs, etc...; but at the same time the bad aspect of CLE comes up in conversation, I also point out the best of CLE. The Metropark's; University Circle cultural institutions; Co's HG'd here; unique CLE features,

(the West Side Market, beautiful architecture (old & new), Play House Square, etc).

 

Do to my career, and the fact a position of the type I seek when looking for employment are far and few in this country, I have had to move away a few times to places like Charlotte, Raleigh NC, and Denver. Yet my heart has always been in CLE, and I never sold my home with the hope of always returning, or vacationing in CLE when living somewhere else.

 

With living in other cities in the US; traveling to many more because of my career, and exploring others on various vacations. I can tell you from my heart, CLE is my choice to call home, and I let everyone know that no matter where I am in this vast world.

 

IMHO, CLE could not have a better ambassador then myself to spread it's message to the naysayer's.

 

 

 

Question?  Are you a native of NE Ohio?  Cleveland specifically?  I'm 48 years young and the people that live here have an inferiority complex so big, it could support the building of 2nd Terminal Tower complex!

 

Example when something opens people are "afraid" or "concerned"  that another business will go out of business.  Example when East 4th came online, people were "worried" it would affect the WHD and there wouldn't be enough people to support both neighborhoods.

 

The root of the problem is in Cleveland residents and the media.  I like you and very proud of my city and in no way think every resident of the area is a Debbie Downer, but as a region we are very insecure.

 

Cleveland does seem to have it worse than most places.  Look at the reaction to the proposed DFIS moves, all sorts of whining and "woe is us" demonstrations; it was like everyone saw it as a done deal and replied ineffectually, almost intentionally.  If it wasn't for LaTourette's people crunching the numbers, it would have been too.

 

The response to the modell move was good too, but it seems like everything else has fit the above model. 

Yes, MyTwoSense and E Rocc, I am a native CLE person. Born in CLE, and have lived in CLE the majority of my life. When I moved back to CLE from N. Carolina 17 years ago, I purposely bought a home in Cleveland (not a suburb) because I wanted to be in the city.  I wanted to be close to downtown to go to sports events, cultural events, shop in the city, eat in the city. I also did not sell my home when I had to move to Denver about 3 years ago because my intention was to come back to CLE. I am now back in CLE.

 

I grew up in Ohio City when it was still a shopping destination in the 70's. I have seen the decline of W25th after the 70's, and now am seeing it's rebirth. The same for the rest of OC, and also DS, Tremont, and downtown.

 

Believe me, the same discussions we are having about CLE on this thread are no different than conversations going on in Charlotte, Denver, St. Louis, Omaha, etc.. All cities I have either lived in, or spend a considerable amount of time in. Every city has it's naysayers, and backers.

 

It is very unfortunate that CLE has been the brunt of jokes for the last 50 years throughout this country, but I have always backed my beloved CLE. I cannot count the number of times I've had to set the record straight with people concerning CLE (both local and throughout the country).

 

 

 

Yes, MyTwoSense and E Rocc, I am a native CLE person. Born in CLE, and have lived in CLE the majority of my life. When I moved back to CLE from N. Carolina 17 years ago, I purposely bought a home in Cleveland (not a suburb) because I wanted to be in the city.  I wanted to be close to downtown to go to sports events, cultural events, shop in the city, eat in the city. I also did not sell my home when I had to move to Denver about 3 years ago because my intention was to come back to CLE. I am now back in CLE.

 

I grew up in Ohio City when it was still a shopping destination in the 70's. I have seen the decline of W25th after the 70's, and now am seeing it's rebirth. The same for the rest of OC, and also DS, Tremont, and downtown.

 

Believe me, the same discussions we are having about CLE on this thread are no different than conversations going on in Charlotte, Denver, St. Louis, Omaha, etc.. All cities I have either lived in, or spend a considerable amount of time in. Every city has it's naysayers, and backers.

 

It is very unfortunate that CLE has been the brunt of jokes for the last 50 years throughout this country, but I have always backed my beloved CLE. I cannot count the number of times I've had to set the record straight with people concerning CLE (both local and throughout the country).

 

 

 

 

Amen.  And 90% of the naysayers are trolls who live out and the burbs, watch Fox News all day and night, and never bother to see what is actually good and happening in the city.    Without the city, their suburbia would cease to exist, but they stay holed up in their own mindset.

Yes, MyTwoSense and E Rocc, I am a native CLE person. Born in CLE, and have lived in CLE the majority of my life. When I moved back to CLE from N. Carolina 17 years ago, I purposely bought a home in Cleveland (not a suburb) because I wanted to be in the city.  I wanted to be close to downtown to go to sports events, cultural events, shop in the city, eat in the city. I also did not sell my home when I had to move to Denver about 3 years ago because my intention was to come back to CLE. I am now back in CLE.

 

I grew up in Ohio City when it was still a shopping destination in the 70's. I have seen the decline of W25th after the 70's, and now am seeing it's rebirth. The same for the rest of OC, and also DS, Tremont, and downtown.

 

Believe me, the same discussions we are having about CLE on this thread are no different than conversations going on in Charlotte, Denver, St. Louis, Omaha, etc.. All cities I have either lived in, or spend a considerable amount of time in. Every city has it's naysayers, and backers.

 

It is very unfortunate that CLE has been the brunt of jokes for the last 50 years throughout this country, but I have always backed my beloved CLE. I cannot count the number of times I've had to set the record straight with people concerning CLE (both local and throughout the country).

 

I knew you were a native when I read your OP. though I can't place exactly why.  You've remained here by choice, as I have I, though I've taken it as far as telling recruiters I am absolutely uninterested in "relocating".

 

That said. you've refreshed your perspective enough to avoid the inertial cynicism that causes some area people to take an "oh modell, here it comes again" pessimistic attitude.  I do agree with MTS that this area is worse than most in that regard.  I'd attribute it to the track record of our sports teams, indeed this is a classic example of why such things can be important to a region.

 

You've also spent a lot more time debating outsiders.  That's key.  We have an attitude that only we are allowed to dis the area.  Others do so at their peril.  Indeed, those trying to prevent LeBron from returning by doing so may be hurting their own cause.  His departure, and the reaction here, is in a lot of ways family business and the opinions of outsiders are decidedly unwelcome.

Inferiority complex or not, it is not a Cleveland specific problem.  Philly has a bit of it for sure.  Baltimore too.  And I would say several states do as well - New Jersey, Mississippi, Arkansas, to name a few.

 

I would agree.  Living in NYC part time, I joke but at the same time serious about hating NJ.  When I was in the process of selling the brownstone and was looking at condos, I wouldn't even look at unit if the view was of NJ.  IMO, NJ is the armpit of America. 

 

NJ the armpit??? Home of the nicest beaches on the East Coast? You looking for a fight!??!!

Yes, MyTwoSense and E Rocc, I am a native CLE person. Born in CLE, and have lived in CLE the majority of my life. When I moved back to CLE from N. Carolina 17 years ago, I purposely bought a home in Cleveland (not a suburb) because I wanted to be in the city.  I wanted to be close to downtown to go to sports events, cultural events, shop in the city, eat in the city. I also did not sell my home when I had to move to Denver about 3 years ago because my intention was to come back to CLE. I am now back in CLE.

 

I grew up in Ohio City when it was still a shopping destination in the 70's. I have seen the decline of W25th after the 70's, and now am seeing it's rebirth. The same for the rest of OC, and also DS, Tremont, and downtown.

 

Believe me, the same discussions we are having about CLE on this thread are no different than conversations going on in Charlotte, Denver, St. Louis, Omaha, etc.. All cities I have either lived in, or spend a considerable amount of time in. Every city has it's naysayers, and backers.

 

It is very unfortunate that CLE has been the brunt of jokes for the last 50 years throughout this country, but I have always backed my beloved CLE. I cannot count the number of times I've had to set the record straight with people concerning CLE (both local and throughout the country).

 

 

 

 

Thanks.  Its good to hear you're a native and you've experienced the pessimism elsewhere!

Inferiority complex or not, it is not a Cleveland specific problem.  Philly has a bit of it for sure.  Baltimore too.  And I would say several states do as well - New Jersey, Mississippi, Arkansas, to name a few.

 

I would agree.  Living in NYC part time, I joke but at the same time serious about hating NJ.  When I was in the process of selling the brownstone and was looking at condos, I wouldn't even look at unit if the view was of NJ.  IMO, NJ is the armpit of America. 

 

NJ the armpit??? Home of the nicest beaches on the East Coast? You looking for a fight!??!!

 

Nicest beaches on the East Coast??? IIRC, you're from NJ and as I've witnessed, of those from NJ, your taste is questionable at best.  BTW, you don't want to start a fight with me....I don't play fair.

No Cleveland love for landing RNC 2016 yet?

 

We're not Detroit! Or Dallas!

No Cleveland love for landing RNC 2016 yet?

 

We're not Detroit! Or Dallas!

 

It has its own thread.  No one wants the axe.  :o

Inferiority complex or not, it is not a Cleveland specific problem.  Philly has a bit of it for sure.  Baltimore too.  And I would say several states do as well - New Jersey, Mississippi, Arkansas, to name a few.

 

I would agree.  Living in NYC part time, I joke but at the same time serious about hating NJ.  When I was in the process of selling the brownstone and was looking at condos, I wouldn't even look at unit if the view was of NJ.  IMO, NJ is the armpit of America. 

 

NJ the armpit??? Home of the nicest beaches on the East Coast? You looking for a fight!??!!

 

Uh oh, do we have a Situation here?

I have to say this about the pessimism I've encountered elsewhere (not in CLE); most of it was from people who have never been to CLE. The reason I know this is the majority of them always refer to the burning river, default in the late 70's, lousing LJ, and all the CLE joke/comments they have heard on TV or the internet.

 

What I have discovered from this is that most people who have never been to CLE, base their opinion of CLE on what they have heard, not experienced. I always invite these same people to come for a visit, and I will show them CLE has a lot to offer. I would even let them stay in the extra bedroom I have for free to show them that CLE hospitality.

 

We have all heard the stories of people who have visited CLE,  or moved here from other places, and the majority of them have positive things to say.

 

CLE is that hidden GEM most of the country does not know about.

 

Just remember, I am not trying to disregard the fact CLE has some major problems to work on (poverty, crime, street repairs) to name a few. But what city does not have the same problems; similar, or different ones.

 

Every city has its positives and negatives, but since there are too may people with negative vives for my beloved CLE, I will always work to point out to people the positive side of CLE.

I have to say this about the pessimism I've encountered elsewhere (not in CLE); most of it was from people who have never been to CLE. The reason I know this is the majority of them always refer to the burning river, default in the late 70's, lousing LJ, and all the CLE joke/comments they have heard on TV or the internet.

 

What I have discovered from this is that most people who have never been to CLE, base their opinion of CLE on what they have heard, not experienced. I always invite these same people to come for a visit, and I will show them CLE has a lot to offer. I would even let them stay in the extra bedroom I have for free to show them that CLE hospitality.

 

We have all heard the stories of people who have visited CLE,  or moved here from other places, and the majority of them have positive things to say.

 

CLE is that hidden GEM most of the country does not know about.

 

Just remember, I am not trying to disregard the fact CLE has some major problems to work on (poverty, crime, street repairs) to name a few. But what city does not have the same problems; similar, or different ones.

 

Every city has its positives and negatives, but since there are too may people with negative vives for my beloved CLE, I will always work to point out to people the positive side of CLE.

 

I've often said the city is the most underrated city in America.    The problem is we're always 5-7 years behind any "trend".  In the late 90s and early 2000's Boston, Philly, Houston, Baltimore, DC, San Diego & Miami turned around.  In that same time Atl, FLL, Dallas, CLT, Portland, PHX became popular with young people and CLE was slapped with a "Rust Belt" moniker.

 

Now the City is turning around and were playing catchup to our pier cities like Philly, Baltimore, DC, ATL, SEA, Portland, San Antonio, Austin, Minnie & FLL.

 

However, every city I've mentioned has it's own issues.

In one of the articles I read about the republican convention, David Gilbert of Positively Cleveland said there is a large gap in perceptions of the city between people who have visited and people who haven't.

 

I believe that, so the more people we get coming here for conventions and the like, the more attitudes will change.

 

(I always thought the convention center was a huge piece of the puzzle that needed to happen)

USA Today....

#SneakPeek at Wednesday's paper: #Cleveland making a comeback...

http://t.co/JC0dJbEG4f

great to see in usatoday, but once again we get one of those damn patented opening zingers. #solame

^there isn't a USA Today cover jinx like SI, is there? I hate seeing  LeBron on there before he signs on the dotted line. All in all it's good press, although I do dislike the comeback moniker, I'd prefer Rising or Reborn, etc.

 

And to quote LL Cool J:

 

Don't call it a comeback

I been here for years

Rockin my peers and puttin suckas in fear

Makin the tears rain down like a MON-soon

Listen to the bass go BOOM

Explosion, overpowerin

Over the competition, I'm towerin