July 9, 201410 yr In one of the articles I read about the republican convention, David Gilbert of Positively Cleveland said there is a large gap in perceptions of the city between people who have visited and people who haven't. I believe that, so the more people we get coming here for conventions and the like, the more attitudes will change. (I always thought the convention center was a huge piece of the puzzle that needed to happen) This is true. As I've said before the city is so under-rated and is not on anyone's radar. When tourist visit the city (the region to an extent) they usually have no expectation or perception of the city or a negative one. Most whites in their 30s leave with a good impression. However, we have to better promote to people of color, LGBT and young adults. I've lived here almost all my life and the city has improved, but it's always at a snails pace. I'm all for being cautious, but many times our leadership does not think outside the box.
July 9, 201410 yr I've lived here almost all my life and the city has improved, but it's always at a snails pace. I'm all for being cautious, but many times our leadership does not think outside the box. That's true of all leadership, which is usually the last to act on shifts in trends. Sounds counter-intuitive, but the reason is actually pretty simple -- because as someone with a lot more to risk, you don't know how long a trend will last so you don't know how much to invest your political or financial capital into it. There's an old saying about leaders -- a leader waits for someone else to form the band so they can step up to the front to be the band leader. And while the city has been slow to improve, I see a snowball starting to roll. You and I have been alive for nearly 50 years and, I don't know about you, but I haven't seen this level of development ever in my life. Sure, the downtown office building boom from the late 70s to the early 90s was pretty amazing. But it was limited to downtown. The rest of the city was falling apart. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 9, 201410 yr I will say between Cleveland getting the RNC and Lebron's potential (likely?) return, Cleveland is getting a lot of positive attention at the office this week. There's definitely a very good vibe here
July 9, 201410 yr I've lived here almost all my life and the city has improved, but it's always at a snails pace. I'm all for being cautious, but many times our leadership does not think outside the box. That's true of all leadership, which is usually the last to act on shifts in trends. Sounds counter-intuitive, but the reason is actually pretty simple -- because as someone with a lot more to risk, you don't know how long a trend will last so you don't know how much to invest your political or financial capital into it. There's an old saying about leaders -- a leader waits for someone else to form the band so they can step up to the front to be the band leader. And while the city has been slow to improve, I see a snowball starting to roll. You and I have been alive for nearly 50 years and, I don't know about you, but I haven't seen this level of development ever in my life. Sure, the downtown office building boom from the late 70s to the early 90s was pretty amazing. But it was limited to downtown. The rest of the city was falling apart. Damn you're old! Thats a good point, in the 70s all the concentration was downtown and infrastructure as people started fleeing to the burbs. In the 80s we saw seeds planted in various neighborhoods and stable neighborhoods like Shaker Square go "It's all about me". In the 90s we had a new bunch of development downtown and outer neighborhoods, then BP and Dillards, sent the city backwards. The new century started with Cleveland behind the eight-ball and this decade we've seen the seeds planted in the 80s become trendy neighborhoods that can hang with any urban neighborhoods in the country, our culinary and dining scene explode, and downtown housing market one of the most robust in the country. However, being the poster child for the mortgage crisis didn't help, even though we were NOWHERE NEAR the worst city in the crisis. The biggest black eye on the city now is the dehubbing. With all that is going on the Airport director needs to get on the ball so do RTAs GM! Again, we have improved, but were always playing catchup or living in other cities shadow, ie Chicago or DC.
July 9, 201410 yr I've lived here almost all my life and the city has improved, but it's always at a snails pace. You think CLE is slow? Ha ha, let me introduce you to a city called Akron!
July 9, 201410 yr I've lived here almost all my life and the city has improved, but it's always at a snails pace. You think CLE is slow? Ha ha, let me introduce you to a city called Akron! When I say "Cleveland" I'm speaking about NE Ohio as a whole.
July 11, 201410 yr because cool show at buckbuck: http://touch.dangerousminds.net/home/insane_illustrators_to_invade_cleveland_this_4th_of_july_weekend
July 13, 201410 yr nice Cleveland report from meet the press.... http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meeting-america-cleveland-rocks-n15467
July 13, 201410 yr nice Cleveland report from meet the press.... http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meeting-america-cleveland-rocks-n15467 Didn't work for me. The transcript is up, however. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 13, 201410 yr yeah link not working.... if you go to: http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press.... scroll down, it's called Cleveland rocks....
July 13, 201410 yr And for the opposing view.... http://magazine.good.is/articles/LeBron-and-Cleveland "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 14, 201410 yr ^ OH FFS! I just got to the author, and realized I read enough. I generally agree with most things that Angie says, but she makes her arguments in such a combative way that it alienates most of the audience. She's not doing her cause any good by being an advocate for it.
July 14, 201410 yr ^ OH FFS! I just got to the author, and realized I read enough. I generally agree with most things that Angie says, but she makes her arguments in such a combative way that it alienates most of the audience. She's not doing her cause any good by being an advocate for it. I've started calling the Bartimole Effect (everything must be done the way I think it should, and it is an Evil Conspiracy if it is not) the Bartimole-Schmitt effect, only in part due to the acronym. In 2016, when Chuck Gilhas is rooting for the Cavs in the NBA Finals, AS will still be trying to stir up opposition to the Opportunity Corridor and maybe even trying to get the RNC cancelled.
July 14, 201410 yr ^ OH FFS! I just got to the author, and realized I read enough. I generally agree with most things that Angie says, but she makes her arguments in such a combative way that it alienates most of the audience. She's not doing her cause any good by being an advocate for it. The condescending part is probably worse than the combative. Kucinich was the latter, but absolutely positively never the former.
July 14, 201410 yr My fault, I took us of topic. If we want to give local bloggers attention they crave, we should discuss it on the local media thread
July 14, 201410 yr My fault, I took us of topic. If we want to give local bloggers attention they crave, we should discuss it on the local media thread I don't think you were off topic, I myself had similar feelings.
July 14, 201410 yr so basically the city just picked up $200M one time for the rnc and $500M a year for lebron? wow, that sure ain't peanuts. just think if everyone who gains reinvests! http://www.ohio.com/sports/cavs/lebron-james-return-to-bring-500-million-a-year-to-cleveland-1.504325
July 15, 201410 yr so basically the city just picked up $200M one time for the rnc and $500M a year for lebron? wow, that sure ain't peanuts. just think if everyone who gains reinvests! http://www.ohio.com/sports/cavs/lebron-james-return-to-bring-500-million-a-year-to-cleveland-1.504325 This is why it's kind of dumb to underestimate the importance of the whole thing. That half a billion is not only a huge impact, it happens during the winter months when things are usually slow. Additionally, a city with a team in the process of possibly winning a championship (or having just one one) is an optimistic city, and optimistic cities have less strife and get more done. The classic example is the impact of the Tigers on Detroit in 1968.
July 15, 201410 yr so basically the city just picked up $200M one time for the rnc and $500M a year for lebron? wow, that sure ain't peanuts. just think if everyone who gains reinvests! http://www.ohio.com/sports/cavs/lebron-james-return-to-bring-500-million-a-year-to-cleveland-1.504325 Well, considering the Cavs averaged 17,000 per game last year and not the 12,000 reported, you can go ahead and cut that already inflated number in half. I'm not sure what the county was trying to accomplish by claiming one basketball player could have such an enormous economic effect, but I find the claims embarrassing. You can bet that number will be repeated by national media trying to show what a sh!thole Cleveland was before Lebron showed up. Additionally, all of this supposed new revenue would just be dollars getting reshuffled around the region, with no real outside cash infusion, except maybe for a few restaurants around the arena. http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance
July 15, 201410 yr so basically the city just picked up $200M one time for the rnc and $500M a year for lebron? wow, that sure ain't peanuts. just think if everyone who gains reinvests! http://www.ohio.com/sports/cavs/lebron-james-return-to-bring-500-million-a-year-to-cleveland-1.504325 Well, considering the Cavs averaged 17,000 per game last year and not the 12,000 reported, you can go ahead and cut that already inflated number in half. I'm not sure what the county was trying to accomplish by claiming one basketball player could have such an enormous economic effect, but I find the claims embarrassing. You can bet that number will be repeated by national media trying to show what a sh!thole Cleveland was before Lebron showed up. Additionally, all of this supposed new revenue would just be dollars getting reshuffled around the region, with no real outside cash infusion, except maybe for a few restaurants around the arena. http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance I disagree. With new restaurants, hotels and venues to open, the money is not being reshuffled. In addition, his return will bring his and Cavs fans from outside of NE Ohio downtown. It will also bring suburbanites and exurbanites into the city more often.
July 15, 201410 yr Also keep in mind that the Cavs attendance is paid attendance not actual attendance. A lot of corporate seats went unused during the last 4 years; my section in the lower bowl had lot of empty seats most games.
July 15, 201410 yr so basically the city just picked up $200M one time for the rnc and $500M a year for lebron? wow, that sure ain't peanuts. just think if everyone who gains reinvests! http://www.ohio.com/sports/cavs/lebron-james-return-to-bring-500-million-a-year-to-cleveland-1.504325 Well, considering the Cavs averaged 17,000 per game last year and not the 12,000 reported, you can go ahead and cut that already inflated number in half. I'm not sure what the county was trying to accomplish by claiming one basketball player could have such an enormous economic effect, but I find the claims embarrassing. You can bet that number will be repeated by national media trying to show what a sh!thole Cleveland was before Lebron showed up. Additionally, all of this supposed new revenue would just be dollars getting reshuffled around the region, with no real outside cash infusion, except maybe for a few restaurants around the arena. http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance I disagree. With new restaurants, hotels and venues to open, the money is not being reshuffled. In addition, his return will bring his and Cavs fans from outside of NE Ohio downtown. It will also bring suburbanites and exurbanites into the city more often. Why would more people from outside the region come here for games? They can just see Lebron when he comes to their town. Unless you think thousands of people from Pittsburgh and Columbus are coming to every Cavs game. And more people from the suburbs coming to games is the definition of reshuffling. Like I said, it's unlikely to effect anything but the restaurants around the arena and probably generate a few million in admissions taxes. And certainly not the ridiculous $500 million being touted by Fitzgerald.
July 15, 201410 yr so basically the city just picked up $200M one time for the rnc and $500M a year for lebron? wow, that sure ain't peanuts. just think if everyone who gains reinvests! http://www.ohio.com/sports/cavs/lebron-james-return-to-bring-500-million-a-year-to-cleveland-1.504325 Well, considering the Cavs averaged 17,000 per game last year and not the 12,000 reported, you can go ahead and cut that already inflated number in half. I'm not sure what the county was trying to accomplish by claiming one basketball player could have such an enormous economic effect, but I find the claims embarrassing. You can bet that number will be repeated by national media trying to show what a sh!thole Cleveland was before Lebron showed up. Additionally, all of this supposed new revenue would just be dollars getting reshuffled around the region, with no real outside cash infusion, except maybe for a few restaurants around the arena. http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance I disagree. With new restaurants, hotels and venues to open, the money is not being reshuffled. In addition, his return will bring his and Cavs fans from outside of NE Ohio downtown. It will also bring suburbanites and exurbanites into the city more often. Why would more people from outside the region come here for games? They can just see Lebron when he comes to their town. Unless you think thousands of people from Pittsburgh and Columbus are coming to every Cavs game. And more people from the suburbs coming to games is the definition of reshuffling. Like I said, it's unlikely to effect anything but the restaurants around the arena and probably generate a few million in admissions taxes. And certainly not the ridiculous $500 million being touted by Fitzgerald. You do realize there are super fans or FANatics that travel to games or make weekend getaways from games. In addition, someone from Buffalo, Central Pa, W. Virginia, Cinci where there is no basketball are targets. Those people would stay at visit venues, hotels, eat at restaurants, come into town via bus, rail or plane, all adding to our local economy. Also, you have to think about fans from other NBA cities that want to see their stars play against LBJ and the Cavs.
July 15, 201410 yr so basically the city just picked up $200M one time for the rnc and $500M a year for lebron? wow, that sure ain't peanuts. just think if everyone who gains reinvests! http://www.ohio.com/sports/cavs/lebron-james-return-to-bring-500-million-a-year-to-cleveland-1.504325 Well, considering the Cavs averaged 17,000 per game last year and not the 12,000 reported, you can go ahead and cut that already inflated number in half. I'm not sure what the county was trying to accomplish by claiming one basketball player could have such an enormous economic effect, but I find the claims embarrassing. You can bet that number will be repeated by national media trying to show what a sh!thole Cleveland was before Lebron showed up. Additionally, all of this supposed new revenue would just be dollars getting reshuffled around the region, with no real outside cash infusion, except maybe for a few restaurants around the arena. http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance I disagree. With new restaurants, hotels and venues to open, the money is not being reshuffled. In addition, his return will bring his and Cavs fans from outside of NE Ohio downtown. It will also bring suburbanites and exurbanites into the city more often. Why would more people from outside the region come here for games? They can just see Lebron when he comes to their town. Unless you think thousands of people from Pittsburgh and Columbus are coming to every Cavs game. And more people from the suburbs coming to games is the definition of reshuffling. Like I said, it's unlikely to effect anything but the restaurants around the arena and probably generate a few million in admissions taxes. And certainly not the ridiculous $500 million being touted by Fitzgerald. You do realize there are super fans or FANatics that travel to games or make weekend getaways from games. In addition, someone from Buffalo, Central Pa, W. Virginia, Cinci where there is no basketball are targets. Those people would stay at visit venues, hotels, eat at restaurants, come into town via bus, rail or plane, all adding to our local economy. I'm sure there are probably a few each game, unless you have something that shows there is a large number.
July 15, 201410 yr July 14th, 2014 05:27 PM ET Does Cleveland, in fact, rock? (CNN) – Turns out "The Drew Carey Show" was right all along, "Cleveland rocks, Cleveland rocks!" For those keeping score at home, the city named after Gen. Moses Cleveland is winning big, and that could mean big bucks. After a stint in slightly-more-glamorous Miami, Florida, basketball's best LeBron James is coming back to the Cleveland Cavilers, because, he says, he missed his hardscrabble hometown. "This could be the first chance we get a championship in over 50 years," one fan told local CNN affiliate WEWS. READ MORE AT: http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2014/07/14/does-cleveland-in-fact-rock/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 15, 201410 yr "@PresBerkman: Yes, it does! MT @engagecsu Does Cleveland, in fact, rock? Catch #CLEstate Dean Ned Hill in piece on city's revival: http://t.co/Nlk9f7VWYo" UGH!
July 15, 201410 yr "@PresBerkman: Yes, it does! MT @engagecsu Does Cleveland, in fact, rock? Catch #CLEstate Dean Ned Hill in piece on city's revival: http://t.co/Nlk9f7VWYo" Finally some sanity: "LeBron is very big business, and basketball is very big business," said Rosenheck. "But Cleveland is also a pretty big town. ... The city's economy is as big as the country of Hungary, so trying to find the impact of one player in that is a needle in a haystack."
July 15, 201410 yr Love it “This is a wonderful week where Cleveland is an overnight sensation 30 years in the making,” said Hill. “Being in a position so that we’re actually competitive for the convention, which we weren’t 10 years ago, is a marker of progress,” he said.
July 15, 201410 yr so basically the city just picked up $200M one time for the rnc and $500M a year for lebron? wow, that sure ain't peanuts. just think if everyone who gains reinvests! http://www.ohio.com/sports/cavs/lebron-james-return-to-bring-500-million-a-year-to-cleveland-1.504325 Well, considering the Cavs averaged 17,000 per game last year and not the 12,000 reported, you can go ahead and cut that already inflated number in half. I'm not sure what the county was trying to accomplish by claiming one basketball player could have such an enormous economic effect, but I find the claims embarrassing. You can bet that number will be repeated by national media trying to show what a sh!thole Cleveland was before Lebron showed up. Additionally, all of this supposed new revenue would just be dollars getting reshuffled around the region, with no real outside cash infusion, except maybe for a few restaurants around the arena. http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance I disagree. With new restaurants, hotels and venues to open, the money is not being reshuffled. In addition, his return will bring his and Cavs fans from outside of NE Ohio downtown. It will also bring suburbanites and exurbanites into the city more often. Why would more people from outside the region come here for games? They can just see Lebron when he comes to their town. Unless you think thousands of people from Pittsburgh and Columbus are coming to every Cavs game. And more people from the suburbs coming to games is the definition of reshuffling. Like I said, it's unlikely to effect anything but the restaurants around the arena and probably generate a few million in admissions taxes. And certainly not the ridiculous $500 million being touted by Fitzgerald. The Cavaliers are more of a regional team than the Browns or Indians. The closest teams to the east are Toronto Philly and Washington, Detroit and Indy to the west, to the south is Charlotte and Atlanta. You downtowncentric folks should consider that his impact is focused there, and during the otherwise hibernation-prone winter months.
July 15, 201410 yr Also keep in mind that the Cavs attendance is paid attendance not actual attendance. A lot of corporate seats went unused during the last 4 years; my section in the lower bowl had lot of empty seats most games. Eggsactly. We still had decent turnout, but it wasn't anywhere close to 17,000. The upper bowl was half filled, at best, for most games.
July 15, 201410 yr I'm sure there are probably a few each game, unless you have something that shows there is a large number. I had season tickets from 2009-2011. For LeBron's last two years, the guy who owned the seats next to mine was from Buffalo. He sold his seats when he couldn't make it. I regularly had people sitting next to me from Erie, Rochester, Columbus, WVa, etc. Not all of them were Cavs fans. Some of them were simply drawn to the great matchups, such as Kobe vs. LeBron. But the geographic swath of the fanbase was undeniably larger with him here. No doubt about that.
July 15, 201410 yr so basically the city just picked up $200M one time for the rnc and $500M a year for lebron? wow, that sure ain't peanuts. just think if everyone who gains reinvests! http://www.ohio.com/sports/cavs/lebron-james-return-to-bring-500-million-a-year-to-cleveland-1.504325 Well, considering the Cavs averaged 17,000 per game last year and not the 12,000 reported, you can go ahead and cut that already inflated number in half. I'm not sure what the county was trying to accomplish by claiming one basketball player could have such an enormous economic effect, but I find the claims embarrassing. You can bet that number will be repeated by national media trying to show what a sh!thole Cleveland was before Lebron showed up. Additionally, all of this supposed new revenue would just be dollars getting reshuffled around the region, with no real outside cash infusion, except maybe for a few restaurants around the arena. http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance I disagree. With new restaurants, hotels and venues to open, the money is not being reshuffled. In addition, his return will bring his and Cavs fans from outside of NE Ohio downtown. It will also bring suburbanites and exurbanites into the city more often. Why would more people from outside the region come here for games? They can just see Lebron when he comes to their town. Unless you think thousands of people from Pittsburgh and Columbus are coming to every Cavs game. And more people from the suburbs coming to games is the definition of reshuffling. Like I said, it's unlikely to effect anything but the restaurants around the arena and probably generate a few million in admissions taxes. And certainly not the ridiculous $500 million being touted by Fitzgerald. The Cavaliers are more of a regional team than the Browns or Indians. The closest teams to the east are Toronto Philly and Washington, Detroit and Indy to the west, to the south is Charlotte and Atlanta. You downtowncentric folks should consider that his impact is focused there, and during the otherwise hibernation-prone winter months. I believe that is very short sighted/narrow minded. This is also good for downtown adjacent neighborhoods and areas like Detroit-Shoreway, Asian Village, University Circle, Shaker Square, Coventry, etc. People will go out to eat and drink in those areas.
July 15, 201410 yr I'm sure there are probably a few each game, unless you have something that shows there is a large number. I had season tickets from 2009-2011. For LeBron's last two years, the guy who owned the seats next to mine was from Buffalo. He sold his seats when he couldn't make it. I regularly had people sitting next to me from Erie, Rochester, Columbus, WVa, etc. Not all of them were Cavs fans. Some of them were simply drawn to the great matchups, such as Kobe vs. LeBron. But the geographic swath of the fanbase was undeniably larger with him here. No doubt about that. Wow. The people in front of us were from Buffalo! Thats why I specifically mentioned Buffalo earlier.
July 15, 201410 yr "@PresBerkman: Yes, it does! MT @engagecsu Does Cleveland, in fact, rock? Catch #CLEstate Dean Ned Hill in piece on city's revival: http://t.co/Nlk9f7VWYo" Finally some sanity: "LeBron is very big business, and basketball is very big business," said Rosenheck. "But Cleveland is also a pretty big town. ... The city's economy is as big as the country of Hungary, so trying to find the impact of one player in that is a needle in a haystack." Direct impact, perhaps. But the collateral benefits are a different story, albeit probably very hard to precisely measure. The direct economic impact creates a ripple effect, for downtown particularly. That impact on downtown benefits the entire region.
July 15, 201410 yr Loving all these positive stories! http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-cleveland-resurgence-20140715-story.html#page=1
July 15, 201410 yr Direct impact, perhaps. But the collateral benefits are a different story, albeit probably very hard to precisely measure. The direct economic impact creates a ripple effect, for downtown particularly. That impact on downtown benefits the entire region. Totally - I just resent the stuff I see in national articles making it sound like Cleveland's economy is all but nonexistent as a dried up steel town and LeBron is the only thing profitable to operate in the region. His presence means money and positive exposure which is fantastic and should be highlighted mostly due to our image's unfair misalignment. However, unless it's put into perspective, out-of-towners miss the fact that we have a huge economy in Northeast Ohio. While LeBron will be a welcome addition, particularly in the urban core, our City and region is not made or broken by him. Cleveland will forge ahead regardless. All that said, I am ecstatic he is back.
July 15, 201410 yr ^I think we're all pretty aware of how shallow, surface-y, and just plain lazy, the American news media is in general. The fact that some media sources choose to portray Cleveland as this downtrodden, Rust Belt burg that has been rescued by LeBron and the RNC no longer bothers me; I just roll with it. As I see it, the fact that the nationals are discussing Cleveland at all (and so much lately) is a positive.
July 15, 201410 yr "@PresBerkman: Yes, it does! MT @engagecsu Does Cleveland, in fact, rock? Catch #CLEstate Dean Ned Hill in piece on city's revival: http://t.co/Nlk9f7VWYo" Finally some sanity: "LeBron is very big business, and basketball is very big business," said Rosenheck. "But Cleveland is also a pretty big town. ... The city's economy is as big as the country of Hungary, so trying to find the impact of one player in that is a needle in a haystack." Direct impact, perhaps. But the collateral benefits are a different story, albeit probably very hard to precisely measure. The direct economic impact creates a ripple effect, for downtown particularly. That impact on downtown benefits the entire region. There will certainly be some impact, but the size is being grossly exaggerated. Being generous: 1. 8,000 more per game 2. $100 per person (tickets and dinner, this assumes everybody goes out to eat and everybody spends $50 on dinner http://www.statista.com/statistics/193720/average-ticket-price-in-the-nba-by-team-in-2010) 3. That's $800,000 per game 4. Thats $33 mil for the season. How many of those people are from outside the county? Even if it's 25% that's $8 mil being brought into the county, enough to buy half a pedestrian bridge.
July 15, 201410 yr ^I think we're all pretty aware of how shallow, surface-y, and just plain lazy, the American news media is in general. The fact that some media sources choose to portray Cleveland as this downtrodden, Rust Belt burg that has been rescued by LeBron and the RNC no longer bothers me; I just roll with it. As I see it, the fact that the nationals are discussing Cleveland at all (and so much lately) is a positive. But why is that "good enough", playing Devil's advocat here. Yes, they are saying positive things, but grossly stating other things. Why do we strive for correct information here, yet wont correct posting elsewhere?
July 15, 201410 yr ^I think we're all pretty aware of how shallow, surface-y, and just plain lazy, the American news media is in general. The fact that some media sources choose to portray Cleveland as this downtrodden, Rust Belt burg that has been rescued by LeBron and the RNC no longer bothers me; I just roll with it. As I see it, the fact that the nationals are discussing Cleveland at all (and so much lately) is a positive. But why is that "good enough", playing Devil's advocat here. Yes, they are saying positive things, but grossly stating other things. Why do we strive for correct information here, yet wont correct posting elsewhere? Stories in major news outlets generate torrents of comments and it seems overwhelming/futile to even post as you comment usually becomes buried in a matter of seconds. Here, there is somewhat of a set group of people who actually read, comment, and participate in discussion. It feels like a well thought discussion here may actually change someones mind while a comment on CNN gets projected into open space and lost. I definitely see your point, though.
July 15, 201410 yr "@PresBerkman: Yes, it does! MT @engagecsu Does Cleveland, in fact, rock? Catch #CLEstate Dean Ned Hill in piece on city's revival: http://t.co/Nlk9f7VWYo" Finally some sanity: "LeBron is very big business, and basketball is very big business," said Rosenheck. "But Cleveland is also a pretty big town. ... The city's economy is as big as the country of Hungary, so trying to find the impact of one player in that is a needle in a haystack." Direct impact, perhaps. But the collateral benefits are a different story, albeit probably very hard to precisely measure. The direct economic impact creates a ripple effect, for downtown particularly. That impact on downtown benefits the entire region. There will certainly be some impact, but the size is being grossly exaggerated. Being generous: 1. 8,000 more per game 2. $100 per person (tickets and dinner, this assumes everybody goes out to eat and everybody spends $50 on dinner http://www.statista.com/statistics/193720/average-ticket-price-in-the-nba-by-team-in-2010) 3. That's $800,000 per game 4. Thats $33 mil for the season. How many of those people are from outside the county? Even if it's 25% that's $8 mil being brought into the county, enough to buy half a pedestrian bridge. I inquired with our NBA folks, approximately 12 to 17% of fans at games are "visitors".
July 15, 201410 yr I've lived here almost all my life and the city has improved, but it's always at a snails pace. You think CLE is slow? Ha ha, let me introduce you to a city called Akron! Surf, here's a link to something good happening in Akron that you might enjoy. Just scroll to the bottom: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=3151.735#ixzz37Y4DEjxE
July 15, 201410 yr bum, you are using 2013/14 statistics, when the average price of the ticket will be higher this year. there is also merch, national media accomidations, travelers getting hotel rooms, parking, greater exposure to advertisement, playoff games. The numbers probably skew high, but it isn't $33 million
July 15, 201410 yr "@PresBerkman: Yes, it does! MT @engagecsu Does Cleveland, in fact, rock? Catch #CLEstate Dean Ned Hill in piece on city's revival: http://t.co/Nlk9f7VWYo" Finally some sanity: "LeBron is very big business, and basketball is very big business," said Rosenheck. "But Cleveland is also a pretty big town. ... The city's economy is as big as the country of Hungary, so trying to find the impact of one player in that is a needle in a haystack." Direct impact, perhaps. But the collateral benefits are a different story, albeit probably very hard to precisely measure. The direct economic impact creates a ripple effect, for downtown particularly. That impact on downtown benefits the entire region. There will certainly be some impact, but the size is being grossly exaggerated. Being generous: 1. 8,000 more per game 2. $100 per person (tickets and dinner, this assumes everybody goes out to eat and everybody spends $50 on dinner http://www.statista.com/statistics/193720/average-ticket-price-in-the-nba-by-team-in-2010) 3. That's $800,000 per game 4. Thats $33 mil for the season. How many of those people are from outside the county? Even if it's 25% that's $8 mil being brought into the county, enough to buy half a pedestrian bridge. I inquired with our NBA folks, approximately 12 to 17% of fans at games are "visitors". Right on, so closer to $4 mil over the course of a season.
July 15, 201410 yr bum, you are using 2013/14 statistics, when the average price of the ticket will be higher this year. there is also merch, national media accomidations, travelers getting hotel rooms, parking, greater exposure to advertisement, playoff games. The numbers probably skew high, but it isn't $33 million That's fine, octuple my estimate and you're still at 50% of what Fitzgerald claimed.
July 15, 201410 yr Loving all these positive stories! http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-cleveland-resurgence-20140715-story.html#page=1 The media narrative about Cleveland is changing for the better. Most journalists just echo the narrative.
July 15, 201410 yr "@PresBerkman: Yes, it does! MT @engagecsu Does Cleveland, in fact, rock? Catch #CLEstate Dean Ned Hill in piece on city's revival: http://t.co/Nlk9f7VWYo" Finally some sanity: "LeBron is very big business, and basketball is very big business," said Rosenheck. "But Cleveland is also a pretty big town. ... The city's economy is as big as the country of Hungary, so trying to find the impact of one player in that is a needle in a haystack." Direct impact, perhaps. But the collateral benefits are a different story, albeit probably very hard to precisely measure. The direct economic impact creates a ripple effect, for downtown particularly. That impact on downtown benefits the entire region. There will certainly be some impact, but the size is being grossly exaggerated. Being generous: 1. 8,000 more per game 2. $100 per person (tickets and dinner, this assumes everybody goes out to eat and everybody spends $50 on dinner http://www.statista.com/statistics/193720/average-ticket-price-in-the-nba-by-team-in-2010) 3. That's $800,000 per game 4. Thats $33 mil for the season. How many of those people are from outside the county? Even if it's 25% that's $8 mil being brought into the county, enough to buy half a pedestrian bridge. I inquired with our NBA folks, approximately 12 to 17% of fans at games are "visitors". Right on, so closer to $4 mil over the course of a season. But you're missing out on money spent at/on hotels, transportation, tourist venues, miscellaneous spending at drug stores and cafes, etc.
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