July 15, 201410 yr bum, you are using 2013/14 statistics, when the average price of the ticket will be higher this year. there is also merch, national media accomidations, travelers getting hotel rooms, parking, greater exposure to advertisement, playoff games. The numbers probably skew high, but it isn't $33 million That's fine, octuple my estimate and you're still at 50% of what Fitzgerald claimed. Sounds like you don't appreciate the value of professional sports to a city's economy, including the PR attention and prestige its brings. Those are tough to put a price on but are valuable nonetheless. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 15, 201410 yr Don't forget about 8-16 playoff games, all sold out. That alone is an influx nearly as great as the overall improvement in attendance over the entire year. Concessions are also a huge $$ driver not factored into the price of the ticket. You also should not look solely at the people who actually go to the games. The downtown bars (and bars across the entire region) will see an influx of patrons during the games. National media will descend on the Q on a regular basis and the celebs will fly in for a visit as they did before. After the games, the party is on. Visitors from out of town don't merely go to the game. They'll be at the RRHOP, the Aquarium, maybe even a Browns game. Don't underestimate the multiplier effect. Direct ticket sales are only the tip of the iceberg. I'm sure the county took the most generous estimates, but it is a lot closer to $500mill than it is to $33mill. A lot.
July 15, 201410 yr yeah, we're getting a ferrari dealership because lebron came back :laugh: I don't think anyone is saying that. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 15, 201410 yr bum, you are using 2013/14 statistics, when the average price of the ticket will be higher this year. there is also merch, national media accomidations, travelers getting hotel rooms, parking, greater exposure to advertisement, playoff games. The numbers probably skew high, but it isn't $33 million That's fine, octuple my estimate and you're still at 50% of what Fitzgerald claimed. Sounds like you don't appreciate the value of professional sports to a city's economy, including the PR attention and prestige its brings. Those are tough to put a price on but are valuable nonetheless. I think I do. We're getting a player, not a new franchise. I appreciate all the anecdotal evidence but I don't think LeBron's impact will be equal to the value of the franchise (or even close) annually. In any case, I'm glad he's back, I just don't like the narrative getting too twisted. Go Cavs!
July 15, 201410 yr bum, you are using 2013/14 statistics, when the average price of the ticket will be higher this year. there is also merch, national media accomidations, travelers getting hotel rooms, parking, greater exposure to advertisement, playoff games. The numbers probably skew high, but it isn't $33 million That's fine, octuple my estimate and you're still at 50% of what Fitzgerald claimed. Sounds like you don't appreciate the value of professional sports to a city's economy, including the PR attention and prestige its brings. Those are tough to put a price on but are valuable nonetheless. I think I do. We're getting a player, not a new franchise. I appreciate all the anecdotal evidence but I don't think LeBron's impact will be equal to the value of the franchise (or even close) annually. In any case, I'm glad he's back, I just don't like the narrative getting too twisted. Go Cavs! Thats the point, it's not solely about Lebron, it's about the Cavs organization. Remember, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts!
July 15, 201410 yr bum, you are using 2013/14 statistics, when the average price of the ticket will be higher this year. there is also merch, national media accomidations, travelers getting hotel rooms, parking, greater exposure to advertisement, playoff games. The numbers probably skew high, but it isn't $33 million That's fine, octuple my estimate and you're still at 50% of what Fitzgerald claimed. Sounds like you don't appreciate the value of professional sports to a city's economy, including the PR attention and prestige its brings. Those are tough to put a price on but are valuable nonetheless. I think I do. We're getting a player, not a new franchise. I appreciate all the anecdotal evidence but I don't think LeBron's impact will be equal to the value of the franchise (or even close) annually. In any case, I'm glad he's back, I just don't like the narrative getting too twisted. Go Cavs! Value of the franchise doubled upon his return. It is now estimated to be worth over $1billion. Just sayin'.....
July 15, 201410 yr Ok, last point I'll make, since I am clearly outnumbered. Purely anecdotal but....the square mile around the Q added restaurants, hotels, and residents in large numbers since Lebron left in 2010. The Cavs also remained solidly middle-of the pack in attendance even 4 years later. Point being, Lebron will have a small positive impact, but downtown, Cleveland, and Cuyahoga County won't live or die by virtue of his presence.
July 15, 201410 yr All I know is, if I were an existing Cavs player, I would feel pretty rotten right about now. I mean, sure, the chance of winning a lot of games, but the focus on a single player leading the city, Braveheart-like, into a new world is really over the top.
July 15, 201410 yr ^I'm fairly certain that not one Cavs player is feeling rotten right now. Not even close. but downtown, Cleveland, and Cuyahoga County won't live or die by virtue of his presence. Nobody on this site has suggested that.
July 15, 201410 yr All I know is, if I were an existing Cavs player, I would feel pretty rotten right about now. I mean, sure, the chance of winning a lot of games, but the focus on a single player leading the city, Braveheart-like, into a new world is really over the top. That is sports in general. There are several players in various sports that are the Marquee player of their team and/or city.
July 15, 201410 yr All I know is, if I were an existing Cavs player, I would feel pretty rotten right about now. I mean, sure, the chance of winning a lot of games, but the focus on a single player leading the city, Braveheart-like, into a new world is really over the top. From the interviews I've read and heard, I think Cavs are pissing their pants with excitement. Every pro sports player is hyper-competitive and hates losing with a passion few of us can appreciate. Their chances of winning just went way up, from a 20-30 win team to a 50-60 win team. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 15, 201410 yr Ok, I'll take you guys' word for it. Not my area, obviously. I guess if it brings wins, that's great, but I didn't get the impression any single player was so rooted in a team mentality that this could mean that kind of thing, given that when they get the right price, they move on in less than 24 hours. But yeah, really not my area so if they're happy, that's great, maybe they will be better together.
July 15, 201410 yr About that 'right price', keep in mind that LeBron took less money in Miami in 2010 than he could've made here, and he took less money to return than he could've made if he stayed in Miami. The NBA's collective bargaining agreement with the players' association allows the incumbent team to offer more money than free agency suitors. As for the other Cavs' players, in addition to the opportunity to win, having LeBron as your teammate elevates the attention they receive. The Cavs games will return to the national broadcasts, perhaps as many as 20 this upcoming season. Last year, I think they were on national TV twice, or maybe only once if you don't count NBAtv. Responding to the "any single player" comment, in the NBA a single player can indeed make that much of a difference for a team. Individual players have more of an effect on an NBA game than they do in MLB or the NFL, generally. It is much more of a superstar driven league.
July 15, 201410 yr Cleveland has been on the rebound even before LeBron James news http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-cleveland-resurgence-20140715-story.html#page=1 Two years before LeBron James decided to make "bringing one trophy back to northeast Ohio" his new priority, Roz Quarto decided to pick up and move to Cleveland for no other reason than it seemed like a nice place. Friends in her hometown of New York City all reacted as if in unison.
July 15, 201410 yr Cleveland has been on the rebound even before LeBron James news http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-cleveland-resurgence-20140715-story.html#page=1 Two years before LeBron James decided to make "bringing one trophy back to northeast Ohio" his new priority, Roz Quarto decided to pick up and move to Cleveland for no other reason than it seemed like a nice place. Friends in her hometown of New York City all reacted as if in unison. LOL. Just to tease you, do realize this was posted hours ago? LOL You have to be fast around here!
July 15, 201410 yr If it was, I totally missed it. You are correct MTS, you do have to be fast around here.
July 16, 201410 yr Ok, last point I'll make, since I am clearly outnumbered. Purely anecdotal but....the square mile around the Q added restaurants, hotels, and residents in large numbers since Lebron left in 2010. The Cavs also remained solidly middle-of the pack in attendance even 4 years later. Point being, Lebron will have a small positive impact, but downtown, Cleveland, and Cuyahoga County won't live or die by virtue of his presence. i hear you, projections based on stuff like this have a way of being overstated at best and tanking at worst. however, i would guess immediately roughly $250M in sellout fan home game spending and at least a $250M increase in the valuation of the cavs franchise is not off the mark right there. $500M annually after that seems less likely for sure even given championships. who knows?
July 16, 201410 yr A few more: http://www.psmag.com/navigation/business-economics/lebron-economic-restructuring-cleveland-86020/ http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/why-i-came-home-to-cleveland-108945.html
July 17, 201410 yr A few more: http://www.psmag.com/navigation/business-economics/lebron-economic-restructuring-cleveland-86020/ http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/why-i-came-home-to-cleveland-108945.html One of Connie Schultz's better columns.
July 17, 201410 yr One of Connie Schultz's better columns. It was good until the end. I thought it ended rather strangely and abruptly. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 17, 201410 yr One of Connie Schultz's better columns. It was good until the end. I thought it ended rather strangely and abruptly. It ended strangely and abruptly because she's terrible. She's a terrible writer.
July 17, 201410 yr Ok, I'll take you guys' word for it. Not my area, obviously. I guess if it brings wins, that's great, but I didn't get the impression any single player was so rooted in a team mentality that this could mean that kind of thing, given that when they get the right price, they move on in less than 24 hours. But yeah, really not my area so if they're happy, that's great, maybe they will be better together. It's more the case with basketball, in part because there are only five players on the floor at one time. Plus it's the nature of the game. One player can take it over, and often does. It wouldn't be this way in baseball or football.
July 20, 201410 yr micheal wheldon of the mirrors punk band, the drome record store and psychotronic magazine and film guide: http://www.uttertrash.net/michaelweldon.htm visit the psychotronic music&film shop in augusta, ga
July 23, 201410 yr Beyond Silicon Valley: Using a MOOC to Build a Community of Support for Global Entrepreneurs Through a series of short, documentary-style videos, students learn how an entrepreneurial ecosystem developed in my hometown of Cleveland. A decade ago, things were dismal in Cleveland for any entrepreneur wanting to start a new business. We were the epitome of the "Rust Belt," losing manufacturing jobs by the thousands each year, and unable to replace them with anything substantial. In 2002, Cleveland was ranked last among 61 cities rated for entrepreneurs by Entrepreneur Magazine. In "Beyond Silicon Valley," we investigated the massive efforts by Cleveland's business, donor and government leaders to reverse the trend and make the city a better place for new businesses and accelerate the growth of start-up companies in the region. A tremendous amount has been accomplished in Cleveland over the last 10 years, but its story is not a simple recipe for success that can be replicated in other communities. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michaelgoldberg/beyond-silicon-valley-using-mooc_b_5604666.html
July 23, 201410 yr This is written by Jeff Anderle's kid. Jeff works for the Northeast Ohio Sustainable Communities Consortium. July 23, 2014 Cleveland Is Really The Comeback City Margaret Anderle I made the choice to go to college in another state, and I’ve been altogether very happy I made that decision. New York is a beautiful state, and I’ve gotten to see a lot of it in the two years that I’ve spent there. I love Rochester. I love the way the city looks from the Ford Street bridge at night, the beacon of Rush Rhees Library always guiding me home, and the grit of the people who have survived the ups and downs of the Kodak/Xerox dynasty. Rochester is my second home and I wouldn’t trade it for the world, but Cleveland will always be #1. I didn’t realize it when I first left for college. I thought I was like any other student leaving behind a home town for something more exciting. When I got to school though, I found myself missing things I never knew I would. I missed the way the city looked from I90 as it wraps around by Jacobs Field (it will never be Progressive Field to me). I missed the feel of my favorite neighborhoods, from Lee Rd where I worked to Tremont. I wanted to go pick apples at Patterson Fruit Farm and take home one of their amazing apple pies (I even forced my mom to bring one up to school for me on her first visit). READ MORE AT: http://thoughtcatalog.com/margaret-anderle/2014/07/cleveland-is-really-the-comeback-city/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 23, 201410 yr I like the slogan "The Comeback City" , but with the subtitle, "Come back and visit us soon!"
July 24, 201410 yr I would +1 that, but for whatever reason my IT department blocks that feature. We here at this company choose not to like anything!
July 24, 201410 yr I would +1 that, but for whatever reason my IT department blocks that feature. We here at this company choose not to like anything! Good Lord I'm surprised you're allowed to use the Internet!
July 25, 201410 yr Downtown Upswing: Talking Cleveland With a True Original By Eric Sandy http://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/downtown-upswing-talking-cleveland-with-a-true-original/Content?oid=4342976
July 25, 201410 yr Downtown Upswing: Talking Cleveland With a True Original By Eric Sandy http://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/downtown-upswing-talking-cleveland-with-a-true-original/Content?oid=4342976 I think that was spot on.
July 25, 201410 yr A positive article about Cleveland, with zero snark, we are truly in uncharted territory
July 26, 201410 yr Probably better to comment on the podcast here: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,27309.msg718600.html#msg718600 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 27, 201410 yr Don't believe this has been posted yet. The new Little Italy Red Line station should be very busy that week. 15 Things to do in Cleveland at the 2016 Republican National Convention Today the Republican National Committee recommended Cleveland as the site for the 2016 Republican National Convention. Cleveland was chosen over Dallas as the convention’s host city in what was described by RNC Chairman Reince Priebus as a “business decision” for the GOP. As is the case every four years, the convention is expected to bring an increase in tourism — and an influx of cash — to the host city. ABC News compiled a list of some of the top places to visit in the Ohio city that’s known as the “Rock and Roll Capital of the World”: 1. Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: Located in downtown Cleveland, the hall of fame features the “greatest stories and biggest names in rock and roll.” According to the museum’s website: “The experience includes 4 theaters, multiple interactive stations and 7 floors of exhibits that tell the story of the world’s most powerful art form.” 2. Little Italy: Experience Cleveland’s Italian-American heritage—”known for its Art Galleries and the finest Italian cuisine,” Little Italy’s website says it’s where “Thousands of visitors and loyal patrons come to dine, shop and be entertained.” 3. Cleveland Museum of Art: The museum’s houses paintings and sculptures from all over the world. Described as “one of the world’s most distinguished comprehensive art museums and one of northeastern Ohio’s principal civic and cultural institutions,” this is certainly not an attraction to be missed. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/07/15-things-to-do-in-cleveland-at-the-2016-republican-national-convention/
July 27, 201410 yr There are people at abc who earn their salary by punching things into the google machine and quoting the bio page? How can I get that gig?
July 28, 201410 yr There are people at abc who earn their salary by punching things into the google machine and quoting the bio page? How can I get that gig? i dk, but it always helps to have wealthy, connected parents so they can arrange for you to telecommute from your hip neighborhood apt to your prestigious, low pay dilletante job and not have to dip into your trust fund. :)
July 28, 201410 yr Jerry Seinfeld doing a Reddit Q&A, when asked what comedy club he likes performing at: [–]dirtmcgirt_ 1 point 12 hours ago " Let's see, what place did I always like - there's a good one in Cleveland called Hilarities, I always liked this one"
July 28, 201410 yr Jerry Seinfeld doing a Reddit Q&A, when asked what comedy club he likes performing at: [–]dirtmcgirt_ 1 point 12 hours ago " Let's see, what place did I always like - there's a good one in Cleveland called Hilarities, I always liked this one" Nice! I remember on the show Jerry's new agent booked him in Dayton Agent "Dayton! It's in Ohio Jerry!" Jerry "Thank you, I'm aware of that."
July 28, 201410 yr I hear a lot of comics, on podcasts and stuff, say that Hilarities is a great room.
July 28, 201410 yr I saw a comedy show in Phoenix a couple weeks ago and chatted with the comic afterwards telling him I was from Cleveland. He immediately praised Hilarities and name dropped how he liked Nick Kostas.
July 28, 201410 yr Interesting. I like it. http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/who-says-cleveland-needs-saving
July 30, 201410 yr On LeBron James' Return to Cleveland: "The Best Location in the Nation" Antwone Fisher Become a fan Award-winning screenwriter, director, poet, lecturer, professor, and best-selling author Posted: 07/30/2014 2:52 pm EDT Updated: 37 minutes ago The calls haven't stopped. Everyone still wants to know, "Well, how do you feel?" I've lived in L.A. for more than 20 years now, but rarely does news happen in Cleveland without me hearing from lots of folks asking for my thoughts on what it means for my beloved hometown. In 2010, my cousin Joey and I spent hours on the phone after LeBron announced he'd be leaving the Cleveland Cavaliers to "take his talents to South Beach." With a new air of reclaimed confidence, the city seemed to be flourishing. When I took Euclid Avenue east toward downtown, I witnessed streets alive with sound and activity. Along this route, I came upon the old Halle Brothers Luxury Department Store -- built in 1910, still with its white terra-cotta façade -- a repository of childhood memories. The building, now being readied for a new life, reminded me of a recent conversation with Halle Berry about her years growing up in Cleveland. When I mentioned how it irked me to hear someone call her 'Holly,' she smiled, grateful that I knew she was named for our hometown's iconic luxury department store, Halle's. Also on Euclid, I spotted a young interracial couple on a Vespa motor scooter breezing westbound. As a boy growing up in this city, a carefree young black and white couple riding an Italian motor scooter was a sight I would not have seen, given race relations of the times. My first thought was: "Oh my ... really?" Clearly, the city was moving into the future, readying for a big comeback. This was evident when I arrived at the city's theater district that's now revitalized with businesses, restaurants, shops and boutiques. The old buildings that I remember have been sandblasted, steamed clean and remodeled as apartments and condominiums for downtown living. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/antwone-fisher/on-lebron-james-return-to_b_5634952.html
July 31, 201410 yr DowntownCLE @DowntownCLE 10m From the RNC to LBJ, #dtCLE's momentum is strong. Here are 23 reasons why Downtown Cleveland is on the rise http://ow.ly/zNuoK "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 31, 201410 yr “@LeCharlesBent65: Officially Cleveland. Nothing pretentious, just people, just home. pic.twitter.com/vecnDVXFOP” "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 1, 201410 yr 23 reasons why downtown Cleveland is "back"! WKYC Staff, WKYC 5:48 p.m. EDT July 31, 2014 Not only is LeBron James back in the game…and back to #23, but the entire city of Cleveland is on the rise CLEVELAND -- Not only is LeBron James back in the game…and back to #23, but the entire city of Cleveland is on the rise. The Downtown Cleveland Alliance says that, with $5.5 billion in downtown development being planned or coming online between 2010 and today, James only adds to the existing momentum of this vibrant downtown. The Alliance says here are 23 reasons why downtown Cleveland is "back." READ MORE AT: http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/cuyahoga-county/2014/07/31/23-reasons-why-downtown-cleveland-is-back/13429163/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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