Now after living in Columbus for a few years, he's moving back to Cleveland because "he's sick of having to take the highway to get anywhere."

 

Silly goose.  Cleveland doesn't HAVE highways!  It has grand boulevards that are like 10 lanes wide that take you to Legacy Village and that beach thingie with Nordstrom.  Good for Cleveland; stay positive!

 

You're so unfunny that you're funny. I love it.

 

The thing is, I'm really not trying.  Thus, no loss for me, no loss for you.  I just say what I gotta say!

 

Now after living in Columbus for a few years, he's moving back to Cleveland because "he's sick of having to take the highway to get anywhere."

 

Silly goose.  Cleveland doesn't HAVE highways!  It has grand boulevards that are like 10 lanes wide that take you to Legacy Village and that beach thingie with Nordstrom.  Good for Cleveland; stay positive!

 

You're so unfunny that you're funny. I love it.

 

Somebody should just rename this thread, "ColDayMan Sticks A Decent Cleveland Thread Into The Cyber Shredder".

 

Yeah, I don't think that one would fit in the thread title...

So we're no Hong Kong,

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I thought that was Cleveland's Chinatown until I read the caption

If that's what our Chinatown looked like, you'd see my white face in that picture, because I would be down there all the time (if not become a resident)!

Love my city for sure. Shouts to all the east siders and East Cleveland representers. 105th & Superior born and raised...

 

RK-Krayzy - "I Love My City", I Got It Inked On My Back

If that's what our Chinatown looked like, you'd see my white face in that picture, because I would be down there all the time (if not become a resident)!

 

Well Blinky would be there also

Just ran across our profile in Wikitravel: http://wikitravel.org/en/Cleveland. As always, I'm a little cautious about believing anything from the Wiki-family (the website, for instance, announces that "shoppers have been flocking to Northeast Ohio since the development of several lifestyle centers have attracted upscale retailers" ... ugh).

 

But if the stats are true, here are some more great things about our city ... for those of you who are still interested in documenting Cleveland amenities ... ahem  :-)

 

- Most golf courses per capita in the country

- Ranked 2nd (of more than 350 metro areas) in recreational options by Places Rated Almanac

- 5th in nation, ratio of major cultural resources per million residents

- Okay, I have a real hard time believing this one, but if anyone can verify, I'm going to start selling the shit out of it ... more miles of shoreline than any city in the world.

 

Now that I've shared the nice things they shared about us, here's what almost made me croak:

 

East Side Driving Tip: A good rule of thumb is - once an East Side suburban "Road" becomes an Inner City "Avenue", turn around and get directions to Euclid, Chester or Carnegie Avenues. Example: Cedar Road in the East Side Suburbs (where it becomes the "Fashion District") is a really nice corridor, but once it becomes Cedar Avenue in the City of Cleveland proper, you should pick one of the above mentioned roads that run parallel to its north. Similarly, Chagrin Boulevard (which connects the upscale communities of Shaker Heights, Beachwood (including Cleveland's "Restaurant Row" and the bulk of the East Side office market}, Pepper Pike, Orange Village, Moreland Hills, Hunting Valley and Chagrin Falls) turns into Kinsman Road (an "underground pharmaceutical" neighborhood) once crossing into the City of Cleveland proper.

 

I guess for their target audience, this kind of advice makes sense. But for someone who lives adjacent to one of those "Inner City 'Avenue's" (and not one of the safe three listed), I'm frankly a little offended.

 

- Okay, I have a real hard time believing this one, but if anyone can verify, I'm going to start selling the shit out of it ... more miles of shoreline than any city in the world.

 

No way that's right.  Seattle for sure has more shoreline- it is an isthmus between Puget Sound and Lake Washington and probably has as much shore on either side as Cleveland has on Lake Erie.  Depending on how one defines "shoreline" (what would they count as the "rivers" vs the harbor?) NYC would probably be up there too. 

And note that they said "in the world" as well. There are a lot of peninsulas, isthmuses (isthmi?), islands and island chains out there! Venice comes to mind.

 

- Okay, I have a real hard time believing this one, but if anyone can verify, I'm going to start selling the shit out of it ... more miles of shoreline than any city in the world.

 

 

 

 

The only way it could be possible is if they counted the shore of Lake Erie, both banks of the extremely crooked Cuyahoga River and the East Bank of the Rocky River, but even then I'm still skeptical.

I saw that in the '80's.  It has to include the river.

 

I am surprised ColDayMan has not pissed all over the good Cleveland stats yet.  Jokingly, of course.

^does the term shoreline versus coastline matter?

 

- Most golf courses per capita in the country

 

 

the entire state of michigan makes that claim, though i suppsed wiki peeps are measuring it by metro?

More miles of shoreline than any Ohio city, that sounds right...than any Great Lakes city, I could buy - I'd wonder how it wasn't Chicago, but I could buy it...but I'd need to see figures before I'd believe this for the US, and especially for worldwide.

 

I am surprised ColDayMan has not pissed all over the good Cleveland stats yet.  Jokingly, of course.

 

ColDay has moved on to better things...like Atlanta :).

^does the term shoreline versus coastline matter?

 

Quite likely.  But it's a real shallow stat if it comes down to semantics like that.

I am surprised ColDayMan has not pissed all over the good Cleveland stats yet. Jokingly, of course.

 

ColDay has moved on to better things...like Atlanta :).

You have to leave Ohio to move on to better things than Cleveland :-D

No, it's a shame I have to pick Atlanta over Cleveland due to Atlanta's less than steller collection of umm...housing...

He's an amazing architect.  He did, you know, like, totally, stuff in like San Francisco!  And like, Atlanta!  And like...you know...Detroit!

I've lived in Detroit, NYC and Boston. In my opinion, Cleveland is as good a place to live as anywhere as long you have friends around the area!

I've lived in Detroit, NYC and Boston. In my opinion, Cleveland is as good a place to live as anywhere as long you have friends around the area!

 

i content that any place is a great place to live (yes, even yellow knife) as long as you get the most out of your city and know how to take advantage of it (took me like four years to get that in cleveland but took me one week in DC)

I've lived in Detroit, NYC and Boston. In my opinion, Cleveland is as good a place to live as anywhere as long you have friends around the area!

 

i content that any place is a great place to live (yes, even yellow knife) as long as you get the most out of your city and know how to take advantage of it (took me like four years to get that in cleveland but took me one week in DC)

 

It took you four years before you figured out how to take advantage of living in Cleveland? What were you doing before the "aha" moment?

 

I tend to be pretty efficient about finding stuff to do where I live because I keep moving myself to places where I have no friends. I have to figure things out, or I go crazy! In Boston and NYC it was fairly easy to find fun stuff to do. If all else failed, I'd just go for a walk and take pictures with my little disposable Kodak camera. In Detroit, it was a little harder because I actually lived an hour outside of the city, so I really couldn't just explore at any given moment. In Cleveland, I find that my location is really very good because I can try everything without needing to go too far -- depends on my mood. Like today, I rollerbladed to Edgewater Park and went swimming and then stopped at the grocery store on the way home.

 

But in my opinion, the "friends" issue is critical. It's one of the reasons I'm still adapting to living in NEO after being away. It's also one reason why I didn't like living in NYC (OK, there were a few other reasons). Having good friends is the best way to grow some roots. It's also more fun to hang out with your boys at some dive bar (anywhere!) than it is watching reruns of Frazier in your apartment.

 

I don't want to bring up C-SPAN again, but I was watching this 30-something architect talking about living in NYC. He said for him, 9/11 was an event that for the very first time made him feel like he was a part of the city, a member of the community. Before then (and he seemed to indicate it was like this for him now, too) he felt like he was observing everything from the outside, as if he wasn't really a part of things. I found this observation incredibly interesting. First, he was not a native New Yorker; he said he grew up in many places so he never really formed a real "I am from XX" feeling. I guess that sense of community is something that I crave. In Cleveland, it's easier for me to call this place home because I grew up here. In other places, specifically New York, it feels to me as if there is almost an immigration test -- How New York are you? Only two years? Not New York enough!

 

I guess the fundamental test for me is, can I wear the local baseball team's hat and feel authentic about it? In Boston, I bought a Red Sox hat and wear it to this day because I felt at home there. In Detroit, I almost bought a Tigers hat, but I forget why I didn't. I think it might have been because I was so far from Detroit, I didn't really feel connected to the city. If I was living in Royal Oak, I imagine I would wear the D. In New York, I waited two weeks before I went to K-Mart and bought a $10 Mets hat so people would stop yelling at me for wearing an Indians shirt. I still have that hat, but I don't wear it.

You can have more fun than you'll have time to have, in any city. You just need to be aware of your resources (websites like urban ohio, blogs, city magazines and newspapers, networking through people you know). Whenever people complain that there's nothing to do in their city, it's because they don't care to use their resources.

I've lived in Detroit, NYC and Boston. In my opinion, Cleveland is as good a place to live as anywhere as long you have friends around the area!

 

i content that any place is a great place to live (yes, even yellow knife) as long as you get the most out of your city and know how to take advantage of it (took me like four years to get that in cleveland but took me one week in DC)

 

It took you four years before you figured out how to take advantage of living in Cleveland? What were you doing before the "aha" moment?

 

try going to case western

^Yeah, I wasn't even a good student, and I still had time for just about nothing...

 

ahem....

 

 

mister glass house was cleveland born & raised

God, Johnson vs. Portman.  A battle royale!

at least johnson has a concept of "human scale"

Lately, I've found too many things going on in Cleveland every night of the week and I just simply can't do more than one thing at the same time. Can anybody? For example, you have got your daily rituals at Cain Park when all else fails. But then you have Openair Market on Saturdays, Concerts at Lakewood Park on Sundays, all the different artconcept shows on E. 4th and WHD at least twice a week, Farmers Market at Coventry on Thursdays, World Cain't Wait on Tuesdays, Mercy For Animals on Thursdays, etc.. I could go on for an hour about how much shit there is to do. Tremont Artwalk, Cuyahoga County Fairgrounds, E. 185th Festival, Gay Pride Festival, Beck Center for The Arts, Wade Oval Wednesdays, MOCA street party, Little Italy artwalk, Lakewood Art Festival, University Circle's museums open 7 days a week, MLK Walk And Roll, Jazz Series, Jazz Fesitval, home days - one for each city/suburb, parade the circle, Ingenuity, hip hop/b-boy/grafitti competitions, reggae festivals, Food Not Bombs every Sunday, art galleries, rib cookoffs, scene pavillion, yard sales, flea markets, the beaches, the parks, the bike trails/towpath trail... How the hell does somebody get bored in Cleveland, or ANY big city for that matter?

^ WOW..all that REALLY goes on here?  I am usually too drunk to get off the couch..... :drunk:

Lately, I've found too many things going on in Cleveland every night of the week and I just simply can't do more than one thing at the same time. Can anybody? For example, you have got your daily rituals at Cain Park when all else fails. But then you have Openair Market on Saturdays, Concerts at Lakewood Park on Sundays, all the different artconcept shows on E. 4th and WHD at least twice a week, Farmers Market at Coventry on Thursdays, World Cain't Wait on Tuesdays, Mercy For Animals on Thursdays, etc.. I could go on for an hour about how much shit there is to do. Tremont Artwalk, Cuyahoga County Fairgrounds, E. 185th Festival, Gay Pride Festival, Beck Center for The Arts, Wade Oval Wednesdays, MOCA street party, Little Italy artwalk, Lakewood Art Festival, University Circle's museums open 7 days a week, MLK Walk And Roll, Jazz Series, Jazz Fesitval, home days - one for each city/suburb, parade the circle, Ingenuity, hip hop/b-boy/grafitti competitions, reggae festivals, Food Not Bombs every Sunday, art galleries, rib cookoffs, scene pavillion, yard sales, flea markets, the beaches, the parks, the bike trails/towpath trail... How the hell does somebody get bored in Cleveland, or ANY big city for that matter?

 

Uneducated and no pr strategy...but don't get me started. 

 

Also, those that often don't have money (and there is plenty of free stuff to do in Cleveland) they often use the "I'm a homebody" excuse.  I also know alot of people are affraid to go outside of their comfort zone and experience something new.

I've lived in Detroit, NYC and Boston. In my opinion, Cleveland is as good a place to live as anywhere as long you have friends around the area!

 

i content that any place is a great place to live (yes, even yellow knife) as long as you get the most out of your city and know how to take advantage of it (took me like four years to get that in cleveland but took me one week in DC)

 

It took you four years before you figured out how to take advantage of living in Cleveland? What were you doing before the "aha" moment?

 

try going to case western

 

Word.

Travel Cleveland has a good list of Cleveland "bests": http://www.travelcleveland.com/About_Cleveland/Quality_of_Life/rankings.

 

Among them, we are a Top 10 Summer Vacation Destination, according to msn.com, a Top 10 City for Walking, according to the American Podiatric Medical Association (then why the hell aren't we walking?!), and the 4th best beer nationwide, according to American Heritage.

 

I completely agree. Cleveland-style bars are way cooler and a rarity nationwide. Maybe they don't exist in other cities so much is because a smoking ban weeded them out. Too bad.

I'm glad he's all about his Cleveland bars, but it's really not that difficult to find cozy dive bars in Manhattan.  Or to just hop over the East River and find 'em in Brooklyn or Queens.  Still, I'd prefer to be in one in Cleveland!

LA transplant to Winslow names Cleveland "the best-kept secret'

^another gush for me: I visited St. Martin de Porres HS today. What a great place and an emerging success story for the city! 

Travel Web site reveals Northeast Ohio's secret

Cleveland on 'overlooked destination' list

Sarah Hollander

(Cleveland) Plain Dealer

Thursday, October 12, 2006

 

Finally, the underdog gets a bone.

 

Cleveland may have been tagged as the nation's poorest big city and passed over by the Republican Party's convention committee, but it certainly isn't down and out in the eyes of TripAdvisor. The popular travel Web site says Cleveland is one of the world's Top 10 underrated destinations ...

 

... More at http://www.cleveland.com/living/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1160642436211680.xml&coll=2

 

Somehow, Detroit scoffing at us doesn't bother me too much... :roll:

Somehow, Detroit scoffing at us doesn't bother me too much... :roll:

 

but atlanta's does?

Is Atlanta much of a tourist destination? If you love Home Depot, suburbs and domed stadiums, is there much else to see?? Oh, they do have that new huge aquarium. Anything else?

 

By the way, what's the square feet of asphalt to human ratio in Atlanta? Its got to be one of the highest in the country.

Somehow, Detroit scoffing at us doesn't bother me too much... :roll:

 

but atlanta's does?

 

My thoughts exactly.  Those hillbillies have no clue!

 

But this goes to show, people outside our region have a better "image" of Cleveland than Clevelanders do.  Again, I'll say we need a city wide marketing plan, a regional marketing plan, a national marketing plan and an international marketing plan.

 

Nobody knows you're out there unless you speak up.  Gorilla marketing in some spots, bambi in others.

wow you guys are just as guilty as the ACJ and the Freep

 

pot, meet kettle.

Oh, they do have that new huge aquarium.

 

 

IIRC, some one animal is sick and near death.  Wouldn't happen at the MetroParks Aquarium   :wink:

Somehow, Detroit scoffing at us doesn't bother me too much... :roll:

 

but atlanta's does?

 

Nope, them either!

More refugees from the West Coast return.

That person who wrote that snarky comment in the Freep is probably from Cleveland.

 

edit: And I wonder if she lives in wonderful Shelby Township.

Nice article. Glad to see it came from Sun.

Is Atlanta much of a tourist destination? If you love Home Depot, suburbs and domed stadiums, is there much else to see?? Oh, they do have that new huge aquarium. Anything else?

 

By the way, what's the square feet of asphalt to human ratio in Atlanta? Its got to be one of the highest in the country.

Six Flags, Stone Mountain, Coca Cola, CNN, The Varsity, Zoo, etc.  Even though Atlanta is sprawled theres still a lot to do (in my opinion)...it just takes forever to get there.

The Varsity is overrated, the zoo is abysmal (compared to more northern zoos), Coca Cola World is just "there," Six Flags is nice landscaping; lacks in coasters (besides three), CNN is pointless (unless you like older white women), and Stone Mountain you can see on I-285.

 

In other words...ColDay's Word of the Year:

 

Trash.