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  • So I went to visit a friend in Findlay OH over the weekend for the purpose of going to the haunted Mansfield Reformatory Prison on Saturday night. So he's from down near Columbus originally and has on

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    Saturday May 18th. Biked to Playoff Hockey, lunch at Asian Festival and evening Baseball. Total ~$30      

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Formally or colloquially?

 

The official name is Progressive field but...https://teespring.com/shop/naming-wrongs-jake-red-white#pid=2&cid=568&sid=front

 

I know what the formal name is. Durrr... I've been to an Indians game (for the loaded Nachos and burritos.) Unfortunately they had like 8 runs while I got up to get them. I was so p!ssed.

 

I was just curious what you guys casually call it. Some people say it'll always be The Jake, to them.

I hate corporate names for stadiums so if it really is that common to call it The Jake, I feel that.

  • 1 month later...

So I'm on a jam-packed 14-car train right now, from Cleveland to Boston (with the bigger section going to New York City). Lady gets on at Rochester, NY and sits next to me. She asks where I'm from. After I answer, she says "I wish we had all the things going on in Rochester that's going on in Cleveland. All the revitalization. Buffalo has some but not like Cleveland."

 

So everything is relative. And maybe that's why I'm seeing so many New York license plates in the Cleveland area these days? If that's the perception of Cleveland in Western NY, maybe that's why they're coming here?

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

So I'm on a jam-packed 14-car train right now, from Cleveland to Boston (with the bigger section going to New York City). Lady gets on at Rochester, NY and sits next to me. She asks where I'm from. After I answer, she says "I wish we had all the things going on in Rochester that's going on in Cleveland. All the revitalization. Buffalo has some but not like Cleveland."

 

So everything is relative. And maybe that's why I'm seeing so many New York license plates in the Cleveland area these days? If that's Cleveland's perception in Western NY, maybe that's why they're coming here?

 

I've always said that Cleveland is to WNY what Chicago is to Cleveland, just on a smaller scale. Cleveland looks at Chicago and notes the population difference, whereas WNY looks at Cleveland and sees a metro area only slightly larger than theirs.

Definitely true, not only based on size... I've heard Detroiters remarking the Cleveland is "ten years ahead" of their city in recovering from the rust belt collapse. And of course as a Clevelander it's hard not to think that Pittsburgh is still "ten years ahead" of us.

 

Buffalo, however, has some pretty dense, east coast style neighborhoods that we don't have in Cleveland and I'm jealous of them for that. They probably can't match us for economic activity though which is obviously more important to most people.

Nice music and scenery...

 

Definitely true, not only based on size... I've heard Detroiters remarking the Cleveland is "ten years ahead" of their city in recovering from the rust belt collapse. And of course as a Clevelander it's hard not to think that Pittsburgh is still "ten years ahead" of us.

 

Buffalo, however, has some pretty dense, east coast style neighborhoods that we don't have in Cleveland and I'm jealous of them for that. They probably can't match us for economic activity though which is obviously more important to most people.

 

I would concur with most of this from my travels to Buffalo. The city has an insular feel to it overall. Buffalo had its traumatic event in the 1950s with the opening of the St Lawrence Seaway. It is amazing the amount of warehouses that were taken down over the last 50+ years on their canal front as they were no longer needed. There are still the silos and those will be around a while longer. The state helps with urban projects and their mass transit programs. The city is probably 5-10 years behind in beer and food in where Cleveland is. Resurgence brewing is my favorite brewery in Buffalo for their location, the quality of beer, and re-use of an old factory. The people that I seem to notice coming to Ohio are not the Buffalonians, but the people that live in the hinterlands. That is where the wealth has evaporated the most. So people from Jamestown, Olean, and points around there that can drive 2-3 hours and are shocked when they see the express lanes of 271 and the Progressive, Cleveland Clinic, and UH buildings lining it and it dawns on them maybe there is something going on here to pick up a job not far from home.  It always shocked my senses in my commute coming back from Buffalo.

Definitely true, not only based on size... I've heard Detroiters remarking the Cleveland is "ten years ahead" of their city in recovering from the rust belt collapse. And of course as a Clevelander it's hard not to think that Pittsburgh is still "ten years ahead" of us.

 

Buffalo, however, has some pretty dense, east coast style neighborhoods that we don't have in Cleveland and I'm jealous of them for that. They probably can't match us for economic activity though which is obviously more important to most people.

 

When comparing Buffalo to Cleveland, there is a vast size difference.  Buffalo did not suffer nearly as much from white flight either.  There is some sprawl, but it's fairly limited.  You can go from downtown Buffalo to exurban countryside to the east and south in basically 10 minutes. 

So people from Jamestown, Olean, and points around there that can drive 2-3 hours and are shocked when they see the express lanes of 271 and the Progressive, Cleveland Clinic, and UH buildings lining it and it dawns on them maybe there is something going on here to pick up a job not far from home.  It always shocked my senses in my commute coming back from Buffalo.

 

It's funny you should mention that. When I drive from Western New York or Northwest Pennsylvania into Greater Cleveland, I get a similar "back to civilization" sensation seeing the express lanes, hotels and office campuses as I do driving I-70 from Breezewood  and the panhandle hills of Maryland into Washington DC.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

  • 4 weeks later...

^ well, i am in already with plane tix for both detroit and cle for this summer ---- i did my part lol!

All I took from this is I need to get to Hot Springs asap

They new volunteers:

 

‘Encyclopedia of Cleveland’ Seeks New Voices to Share City’s History

 

AUTHOR Dan Polletta

PUBLISHED May 2, 2018

 

“We’re looking at somebody who knows the literature and knows the topic. If we get somebody, for example, in women’s history, they need to be able to look at those things we have in the ‘Encyclopedia’ and who can tell us the scholarship or interest has changed in this subject that we might have missed the first time.”

 

When it comes to writing history, Grabowski says that community contributors bring something different to the table than academics.

 

“They offer a knowledge set, especially of some of the details, that scholars may have to dig out to write about,” he said. “That shows us that a lot of people love Cleveland deeply and know a lot of things about it,” Grabowski said.

 

http://wcpn.ideastream.org/news/‘encyclopedia-of-cleveland’-seeks-new-voices-to-share-city’s-history

  • 3 weeks later...

Neat history lesson.

 

The Cleveland Barons' NHL Existence Was A Short And Spectacular Disaster

 

Vince Guerrieri

 

Bob Whidden got the bad news first. On June 14, 1978, Whidden was in Montreal representing the Cleveland Barons at the NHL owners’ meetings.

 

Whidden had come to Cleveland to play for the Crusaders, a World Hockey Association team, and after they left, took a job in media relations with the Barons, the NHL franchise that had moved from the Bay Area just two years earlier. It had been tempestuous, with changes in ownership, missed payroll, and losing—lots of losing—but Whidden was still unprepared for the news.

 

“They wanted me outside the door to send news back to Cleveland,” he told me in a 2016 interview. “I figured there was going to be a trade. I sat there for a couple hours and they came out and said they’d engineered a merger.”

 

The Barons were being folded into the Minnesota North Stars, and a dispersal draft was scheduled the following day. It remains the last time a team in any of the big four North American leagues was blinked out of existence.

 

“You could have knocked me over with a feather,” Whidden said. “I think I went to the bathroom and threw up.”

 

https://deadspin.com/the-cleveland-barons-nhl-existence-was-a-short-and-spec-1826047278

I hate corporate names for stadiums so if it really is that common to call it The Jake, I feel that.

 

Gund Arena isn't commonly used anymore (though I use it), Jake/Jacobs probably a little more so than Progressive, and almost everyone seems to still say "Cleveland Browns Stadium".

  • 2 weeks later...

If you can't laugh at your self......

 

The comic tragedy of Balloonfest ‘86

 

In September 1986, as part of a United Way fundraiser, the city of Cleveland released 1.5 million balloons simultaneously in a bid to get into the Guinness Book of World Records. As this short documentary by Nathan Truesdell shows, things didn’t really go according to plan.

 

Nathan Truesdell’s short documentary, Balloonfest, depicts the helium-filled spectacle using archival news footage from local television stations. When the balloons are first released, they form a mass of colorful orbs that wraps around Cleveland’s Terminal Tower, by turns resembling a meteorological phenomenon, a mushroom cloud, or a locust infestation. The image is both awe-inspiring and haunting.

 

The local news footage is kind of amazing. One of the news reporters inexplicably kisses a woman goodbye he’d just interviewed on-air. When the balloons are released, another commentator screams that America doesn’t have crappy ol’ Cleveland to kick around anymore because baaaallllllloooooooooooons!!

 

https://kottke.org/18/06/the-comic-tragedy-of-balloonfest-86

^why didn't it get recorded by Guiness, if that was the goal of the organizers?

Releasing ballons with letters attached to them was still a thing in 1990. I sent one out in elementary school and someone from Holmes county actually replied.

If you can't laugh at your self......

 

The comic tragedy of Balloonfest ‘86

 

In September 1986, as part of a United Way fundraiser, the city of Cleveland released 1.5 million balloons simultaneously in a bid to get into the Guinness Book of World Records. As this short documentary by Nathan Truesdell shows, things didn’t really go according to plan.

 

Nathan Truesdell’s short documentary, Balloonfest, depicts the helium-filled spectacle using archival news footage from local television stations. When the balloons are first released, they form a mass of colorful orbs that wraps around Cleveland’s Terminal Tower, by turns resembling a meteorological phenomenon, a mushroom cloud, or a locust infestation. The image is both awe-inspiring and haunting.

 

The local news footage is kind of amazing. One of the news reporters inexplicably kisses a woman goodbye he’d just interviewed on-air. When the balloons are released, another commentator screams that America doesn’t have crappy ol’ Cleveland to kick around anymore because baaaallllllloooooooooooons!!

 

https://kottke.org/18/06/the-comic-tragedy-of-balloonfest-86

 

 

oh geez i just saw this on line somewhere last night --- i had forgotten all about it.

 

the cle is back, its not a joke, whatever etc. remarks were more embarrassing than the balloon debacle itself lol.

 

^ Omg, that balloon video was hilarious! Did Cleveland have a midget reporter in the 80s!? That guy was funniest part.

Little John Rinaldi, the small half of the WJW-TV8 duo Big Chuck and Little John.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Little John Rinaldi, the small half of the WJW-TV8 duo Big Chuck and Little John.

 

Big Chuck and Little John are Cleveland icons.  I'm surprised not everyone on this board knows who they are.  I wonder if I could find a Big Chuck and Little John t-shirt somewhere.

Little John Rinaldi, the small half of the WJW-TV8 duo Big Chuck and Little John.

 

Big Chuck and Little John are Cleveland icons.  I'm surprised not everyone on this board knows who they are.  I wonder if I could find a Big Chuck and Little John t-shirt somewhere.

 

We're not all Clevelanders.  I'd be surprised if people without roots in this area do know who they are.

I grew up after their heyday, but I was definitely aware of them, and now that YouTube is a thing, my Dad likes to show me all their old sketches from the 70s  ;D

Big Chuck and Little John were way ahead of their time.  They were ethnically sensitive (politically correct.)  They never told Polish jokes but instead the more neutral "certain ethnic" joke. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I grew up after their heyday, but I was definitely aware of them, and now that YouTube is a thing, my Dad likes to show me all their old sketches from the 70s  ;D

 

Back then, "PC" meant saying "certain ethnic" instead of Polish.  We could never figure out what Pole actually complained, it may have all been a schtick.

Big Chuck and Little John were way ahead of their time.  They were ethnically sensitive (politically correct.)  They never told Polish jokes but instead the more neutral "certain ethnic" joke. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

I'm half Polish and there was more of an ethnic community then than now, that I was somewhat tied in to.  Very few Poles of that era cared lol

I am joking.

There's a pretty interesting photo collection and essay on the Cuyahoga River---today and the bad ol' days. 

https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/06/cuyahoga_river_enjoys_revival.html#incart_m-rpt-2

 

About 10-15 photos into the webpage, this caption caught my eye:

 

"Junked cars along the river

This 1973 EPA photo depicts one of the last undeveloped areas alongside the Cuyahoga River -- near Vaughn Road in Jaite, Ohio, which is about equidistant from Cleveland and Akron. Even this area, however, managed to experience pollution -- in the form of junked cars that were left for dead along the river. (National Archive)"

 

I've never heard of "Jaite, Ohio".  Google Maps brings up "Brecksville, OH" when you search for Jaite.  Was it a separate place in 1973 that was ultimately annexed by Brecksville?

It was named after Jaite's Mill, which was a paper mill located in the area.  If you walk the towpath trail you can see remnants still remaining, though they demolished most of the structure.

When I went skiing as part of my school's ski club at Brandywine in the late 1970s and early 1980s, the mill was still active. The lookalike houses and general store along Vaughn by the railroad tracks and Riverview Road were built by the mill to house and serve workers. I assume there were more of them. The park refurbished some of them for the park headquarters. The mill was on the other side of the river. You can see on satellite where the mill and the rail spur that served it were.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Read that river article, why don’t many of these reporters at cleveland.com understand that there are streets and avenues in this City? The old newspaper articles shown in that article sure get it right.

But was Jaite a separate political entity (township or village?) as presented in the article?

I didn't see this movie. However I was fooled by a fake florist and also fake bookstore that were simply props for the filming.

 

^except for the brooklyn waterfront scene---that was all cleveland, right?

 

Definitely CGIed a few buildings in there to fill in the gaps.

Big Chuck and Little John were way ahead of their time.  They were ethnically sensitive (politically correct.)  They never told Polish jokes but instead the more neutral "certain ethnic" joke. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

While never actually saying ''Polish'' many of the characters were Polish; think Stan Auski, the Six Dollar Man or Mary Hartski, Mary Hartski.

 

No doubt which ethnic group is targeted here, complete with the white socks (also known as Parma's) and flood pants. Classic 1970s Cleveland:

 

Got a good idea to improve Cleveland?  Get $50k from Google, with the potential for an extra $50k if selected.  Applications due July 11.

 

"The Google.org Impact Challenge Cleveland rallies the community around bold ideas to make Cleveland's neighborhoods even better. Local nonprofits submit innovative proposals to create economic opportunity in the Cleveland area and four winners will receive $50,000 grants and training from Google to jumpstart their ideas. The public will then have a chance to vote for their favorite idea from the four winners. The winner with the most public votes will receive an additional $50,000."

 

https://impactchallenge.withgoogle.com/cleveland2018

Nice post on reddit. Maybe someone here can translate a few of the Canadian words for us!

 

r/Cleveland•Posted byu/silentMONARCHY

1 day ago

 

I’m sorry for thinking Cleveland would be a dump (A love letter to your wonderful city)

I visited Cleveland for the first time last August. My SO grew up in the Cleveland suburbs and is living in the area for work. We are in a long distance relationship; I am from and live in Toronto, and the only thing I knew about Cleveland was from that tourism video on YouTube from like 8 years ago so my knowledge of Cleveland was that it was sketchy.

 

But oh my goodness. What a wonderful city! It felt so welcoming and up-and coming to me. Your parks (at least in the city centre that I visited) are so clean and modern. I really liked the Public Square, it felt like a place I could just hang out at for an afternoon. Have a picnic or something. There was consistent and clear wayfinding in the city core. I loved that 4th st was a pedestrian-only (is it a woonerf?) street, and just seeing everyone enjoying themselves out on the patios was so nice. Your public transit system seems to be pretty well planned out as well.

 

Also Mitchell’s??? Hello?? Where have you been all my life. I ate so much ice cream during my stay. And the West Side Market was such an amazing experience. I love markets and the one you guys have is just top notch. I wanted to eat everything in sight !

 

Cleveland seems to me like a city that is very excited about its future and that makes me excited about its future. I’m an urban planner by trade and it was really cool to see the city adopt so many good/best practices to revitalize itself. At first I was VERY reluctant to move here but now I’m counting down the days until I can do so. I will be visiting again soon and I can’t wait to hit up all the museums, coffee shops, restaurants, and the aquarium !

 

I can go on and on but I think I’m just going to stop here before I ramble on too much!

 

Edit: too many food/beverage/ice cream recommendations and I can’t reply to them all. Do know I WILL hit up every single place you guys listed !!!

 

Nice post on reddit. Maybe someone here can translate a few of the Canadian words for us!

 

r/Cleveland•Posted byu/silentMONARCHY

1 day ago

 

I’m sorry for thinking Cleveland would be a dump (A love letter to your wonderful city)

I visited Cleveland for the first time last August. My SO grew up in the Cleveland suburbs and is living in the area for work. We are in a long distance relationship; I am from and live in Toronto, and the only thing I knew about Cleveland was from that tourism video on YouTube from like 8 years ago so my knowledge of Cleveland was that it was sketchy.

 

But oh my goodness. What a wonderful city! It felt so welcoming and up-and coming to me. Your parks (at least in the city centre that I visited) are so clean and modern. I really liked the Public Square, it felt like a place I could just hang out at for an afternoon. Have a picnic or something. There was consistent and clear wayfinding in the city core. I loved that 4th st was a pedestrian-only (is it a woonerf?) street, and just seeing everyone enjoying themselves out on the patios was so nice. Your public transit system seems to be pretty well planned out as well.

 

Also Mitchell’s??? Hello?? Where have you been all my life. I ate so much ice cream during my stay. And the West Side Market was such an amazing experience. I love markets and the one you guys have is just top notch. I wanted to eat everything in sight !

 

Cleveland seems to me like a city that is very excited about its future and that makes me excited about its future. I’m an urban planner by trade and it was really cool to see the city adopt so many good/best practices to revitalize itself. At first I was VERY reluctant to move here but now I’m counting down the days until I can do so. I will be visiting again soon and I can’t wait to hit up all the museums, coffee shops, restaurants, and the aquarium !

 

I can go on and on but I think I’m just going to stop here before I ramble on too much!

 

Edit: too many food/beverage/ice cream recommendations and I can’t reply to them all. Do know I WILL hit up every single place you guys listed !!!

 

 

That ''comedian'' Mike Polk and his CLE tourism video caused almost as much damage to Cleveland's image as the 1969 river ''fire''.

  • 2 weeks later...

after work one day i walked by jesse owens elementary in bed-stuy brooklyn:

 

 

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u wot mate?  8)

 

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Nice post on reddit. Maybe someone here can translate a few of the Canadian words for us!

 

r/Cleveland•Posted byu/silentMONARCHY

1 day ago

 

I’m sorry for thinking Cleveland would be a dump (A love letter to your wonderful city)

I visited Cleveland for the first time last August. My SO grew up in the Cleveland suburbs and is living in the area for work. We are in a long distance relationship; I am from and live in Toronto, and the only thing I knew about Cleveland was from that tourism video on YouTube from like 8 years ago so my knowledge of Cleveland was that it was sketchy.

 

But oh my goodness. What a wonderful city! It felt so welcoming and up-and coming to me. Your parks (at least in the city centre that I visited) are so clean and modern. I really liked the Public Square, it felt like a place I could just hang out at for an afternoon. Have a picnic or something. There was consistent and clear wayfinding in the city core. I loved that 4th st was a pedestrian-only (is it a woonerf?) street, and just seeing everyone enjoying themselves out on the patios was so nice. Your public transit system seems to be pretty well planned out as well.

 

Also Mitchell’s??? Hello?? Where have you been all my life. I ate so much ice cream during my stay. And the West Side Market was such an amazing experience. I love markets and the one you guys have is just top notch. I wanted to eat everything in sight !

 

Cleveland seems to me like a city that is very excited about its future and that makes me excited about its future. I’m an urban planner by trade and it was really cool to see the city adopt so many good/best practices to revitalize itself. At first I was VERY reluctant to move here but now I’m counting down the days until I can do so. I will be visiting again soon and I can’t wait to hit up all the museums, coffee shops, restaurants, and the aquarium !

 

I can go on and on but I think I’m just going to stop here before I ramble on too much!

 

Edit: too many food/beverage/ice cream recommendations and I can’t reply to them all. Do know I WILL hit up every single place you guys listed !!!

 

 

That ''comedian'' Mike Polk and his CLE tourism video caused almost as much damage to Cleveland's image as the 1969 river ''fire''.

 

I cannot stand Mike Polk... I'm happy he's faded into irrelevance after his several picks at low hanging fruit at the expense of his hometown

I always enjoyed the tourism videos but couldn't stand when people who weren't from here enjoyed them.

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