April 7, 20241 yr Had a few free minutes yesterday, so I tried to get a closer look at the Langham Apartments on Chambers Rd
April 24, 20241 yr Wasn't expecting to see this quite yet... Wood framing work started today at Langham Apartments on Chambers
May 13, 20241 yr Fifth X Northwest Apartments (5-3-24) Edgehill and 5th Chambers Road Langham Apartments
May 14, 20241 yr The entire tri-village area (5th x Northwest) has incredible potential! Per the City's Zone-In proposal, all the areas in orange (UCT) allow for 5 story buildings - 7 stories if there's an affordable housing component. The two blues along King, 5th and 3rd (UGN-1 and UGN-2) are 4 story zones. The blue along Olentangy (RAC) has a 7 story max with 10 story allowed if there's an affordable housing component. If a developer chooses to go higher they can try through a variance.
May 14, 20241 yr Just now, Pablo said: The entire tri-village area (5th x Northwest) has incredible potential! Per the City's Zone-In proposal, all the areas in orange (UCT) allow for 5 story buildings - 7 stories if there's an affordable housing component. The two blues along King, 5th and 3rd (UGN-1 and UGN-2) are 4 story zones. The blue along Olentangy (RAC) has a 7 story max with 10 story allowed if there's an affordable housing component. If a developer chooses to go higher they can try through a variance. Olentangy, especially in that area, shouldn’t have a height limit at all. That stretch should be one of the most dense in the entire city.
May 14, 20241 yr I have a feeling the development boom along 5th is just getting started. I think it will be one of those streets that is almost totally unrecognizable a decade from now. A BRT or light rail along 5th would be amazing and get a ton of use, but it might be difficult to implement due to how narrow the road already is.
May 14, 20241 yr 35 minutes ago, cbussoccer said: I have a feeling the development boom along 5th is just getting started. I think it will be one of those streets that is almost totally unrecognizable a decade from now. A BRT or light rail along 5th would be amazing and get a ton of use, but it might be difficult to implement due to how narrow the road already is. Subway from Cambridge to Cleveland Ave. Major station at 5th and High to connect to the High St. subway. It's the only solution. 😀
May 14, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, Pablo said: Subway from Cambridge to Cleveland Ave. Major station at 5th and High to connect to the High St. subway. It's the only solution. 😀 Make it happen!
May 14, 20241 yr 24 minutes ago, Pablo said: Subway from Cambridge to Cleveland Ave. Major station at 5th and High to connect to the High St. subway. It's the only solution. 😀 Better yet from Dublin Rd to the airport.
May 15, 20241 yr On 5/14/2024 at 8:58 AM, cbussoccer said: I have a feeling the development boom along 5th is just getting started. I think it will be one of those streets that is almost totally unrecognizable a decade from now. A BRT or light rail along 5th would be amazing and get a ton of use, but it might be difficult to implement due to how narrow the road already is. I just want a non-pothole 5th Avenue from Olentangy to Grandview Ave 😮💨. If we're playing sim city, absolutely would love a subway on 5th Ave from the Quarry/Marble Cliff area all the way across to the airport. Have stops at Northwest Blvd, Edgehill / Olentangy River Road, Neil Ave, High St, 4th, Cleveland Ave, Nelson Rd, Stelzer (to connect to Easton) and Airport.
May 15, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, GCrites said: Manholes are potholes too around there. Yeah I’m always confused why they are so bad at making manholes not potholes. The short north had/has like 5 manholes that are basically potholes.
May 15, 20241 yr On 5/14/2024 at 6:38 AM, VintageLife said: Olentangy, especially in that area, shouldn’t have a height limit at all. That stretch should be one of the most dense in the entire city. Yep, I still feel like the city is going too cautious for too many areas. I have a feeling it's for 2 reasons- fear of NIMBYs and a belief that too much density will severely impact traffic, and Columbus definitely cares about catering to cars above almost anything else. Edited May 15, 20241 yr by jonoh81
May 15, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, jonoh81 said: Yep, I still feel like the city is going too cautious for too many areas. I have a feeling it's for 2 reasons- fear of NIMBYs and a belief that too much density will severely impact traffic, and Columbus definitely cares about catering to cars above almost anything else. I’m slowly coming into this camp… I was just in Austin over the weekend for a graduation(first time since early 2020)… they’ve completely surpassed us, as has Nashville as far as height is concerned… we’ve done well with development and growth but in the grand scheme we’re still small time compared to them *to be fair I wouldn’t even put Charlotte into their camp… it’s Austin, Nashville, Miami… then Charlotte, Columbus and a city like Denver Edited May 15, 20241 yr by wpcc88
May 15, 20241 yr 27 minutes ago, wpcc88 said: I’m slowly coming into this camp… I was just in Austin over the weekend for a graduation(first time since early 2020)… they’ve completely surpassed us, as has Nashville as far as height is concerned… we’ve done well with development and growth but in the grand scheme we’re still small time compared to them *to be fair I wouldn’t even put Charlotte into their camp… it’s Austin, Nashville, Miami… then Charlotte, Columbus and a city like Denver Those cities aren’t really comparable to Columbus though. They all have very high tourism business which helps bring in more people. Edited May 15, 20241 yr by VintageLife
May 15, 20241 yr 16 minutes ago, wpcc88 said: I’m slowly coming into this camp… I was just in Austin over the weekend for a graduation(first time since early 2020)… they’ve completely surpassed us, as has Nashville as far as height is concerned… we’ve done well with development and growth but in the grand scheme we’re still small time compared to them *to be fair I wouldn’t even put Charlotte into their camp… it’s Austin, Nashville, Miami… then Charlotte, Columbus and a city like Denver I couldn't care less about height. Austin can have all the height they want, but it doesn't mean they are actually building quality, sustainable, urban development. Most of their height is a result of a tourist boom that I don't see lasting, and a tech boom and relocation of tech workers that I don't see lasting. Much of their downtown area just feels like it was built in a rush, and not built to last. It also doesn't very organic. It feels more like an amusement park or something. It's hard to describe. I would describe Nashville much the same way as Austin. A city that was rushed with very little planning for the future. For as much as we complain about Grandview Yard or the AD or Jeffrey Park, at least they feel somewhat organic and livable. You feel like you are in area meant for humans to live in, rather than area that was hastily thrown together by a real estate developer to capitalize on a hot market before it disappeared. Everything that's been built in the Discovery District over the last few years blows the tall sterile condo towers built in Nashville and Austin out of the water in terms of livability. The way Gay Street has been developed is so much more enjoyable than boring 30 story condo tower filled with people who only live their part time and with 6 floors of parking along the street level. I'd even take the 6 story Edwards project on High between Gay and Long (it was Edwards right) over most of the towers that have gone up in Nashville and Austin. Within the next year or two all of those commercial spaces are going to be full, and the parking garage is completely hidden from High Street. They managed to fill a giant city block with commercial space. Most towers in Austin or Nashville reserve half of a city block just for the entrance to a parking garage. I could go on and on, but the point is that height is good barometer for good urban development, and much of Austin and Nashville has been far from good.
May 15, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, GCrites said: Nashville also has a lot of non-primary residences and full-time Air BnBs. Yep, Nashville and Austin both.
May 17, 20241 yr On 5/15/2024 at 3:53 PM, cbussoccer said: I couldn't care less about height. Austin can have all the height they want, but it doesn't mean they are actually building quality, sustainable, urban development. Most of their height is a result of a tourist boom that I don't see lasting, and a tech boom and relocation of tech workers that I don't see lasting. Much of their downtown area just feels like it was built in a rush, and not built to last. It also doesn't very organic. It feels more like an amusement park or something. It's hard to describe. I would describe Nashville much the same way as Austin. A city that was rushed with very little planning for the future. For as much as we complain about Grandview Yard or the AD or Jeffrey Park, at least they feel somewhat organic and livable. You feel like you are in area meant for humans to live in, rather than area that was hastily thrown together by a real estate developer to capitalize on a hot market before it disappeared. Everything that's been built in the Discovery District over the last few years blows the tall sterile condo towers built in Nashville and Austin out of the water in terms of livability. The way Gay Street has been developed is so much more enjoyable than boring 30 story condo tower filled with people who only live their part time and with 6 floors of parking along the street level. I'd even take the 6 story Edwards project on High between Gay and Long (it was Edwards right) over most of the towers that have gone up in Nashville and Austin. Within the next year or two all of those commercial spaces are going to be full, and the parking garage is completely hidden from High Street. They managed to fill a giant city block with commercial space. Most towers in Austin or Nashville reserve half of a city block just for the entrance to a parking garage. I could go on and on, but the point is that height is good barometer for good urban development, and much of Austin and Nashville has been far from good. I wasn’t saying I’d trade them for Cbus because I agree for the most part on the points made; we don’t have the tourism that they do and both are built on a less sustainable economic model. I guess I was just overwhelmed with the amount of height Austin has added. But Cleveland has even added significant height in the past decade and that metro isn’t growing, we’ve added the Hilton and Market Tower. I personally want it downtown which we are getting and they have; Rainey St pretty much looks like ‘Up’ right now. However Austin has added a lot of mid-rises as well, not just downtown but in the neighborhoods, we’ve also done a great job doing that. I think Franklinton, SN, Grandview and KL all looks way better than anything Nashville has put up, truthfully I shouldn’t have included them because they’re a mess. I do disagree that Austin’s isn’t quality work.
May 17, 20241 yr Yeah Cleveland can act as a stand-in for NYC with a little CGI. I was there when they were filming Avengers.
May 21, 20241 yr On 5/15/2024 at 1:06 PM, wpcc88 said: *to be fair I wouldn’t even put Charlotte into their camp… it’s Austin, Nashville, Miami… then Charlotte, Columbus and a city like Denver I’m in Denver now for business. It surpassed Columbus years ago as far as development. There has been so much built, mostly mid-rise, in the last 5-10 years downtown and spreading out from downtown that it’s unrecognizable from 15 years ago. I’m not saying this to disparage Columbus, it’s just something I notice when I’m in Denver. I hope that Columbus gets to this level of build out.
May 21, 20241 yr 28 minutes ago, jeremyck01 said: I’m in Denver now for business. It surpassed Columbus years ago as far as development. There has been so much built, mostly mid-rise, in the last 5-10 years downtown and spreading out from downtown that it’s unrecognizable from 15 years ago. I’m not saying this to disparage Columbus, it’s just something I notice when I’m in Denver. I hope that Columbus gets to this level of build out. Denver had the advantage of legalized weed and a massive influx of tourism and people moving. I’m hoping Columbus gets this right but I’m still not 100% they are doing enough or going far enough with the zoning change.
May 21, 20241 yr On 5/15/2024 at 1:53 PM, cbussoccer said: I couldn't care less about height. Austin can have all the height they want, but it doesn't mean they are actually building quality, sustainable, urban development. Most of their height is a result of a tourist boom that I don't see lasting, and a tech boom and relocation of tech workers that I don't see lasting. Much of their downtown area just feels like it was built in a rush, and not built to last. It also doesn't very organic. It feels more like an amusement park or something. It's hard to describe. I would describe Nashville much the same way as Austin. A city that was rushed with very little planning for the future. For as much as we complain about Grandview Yard or the AD or Jeffrey Park, at least they feel somewhat organic and livable. You feel like you are in area meant for humans to live in, rather than area that was hastily thrown together by a real estate developer to capitalize on a hot market before it disappeared. Everything that's been built in the Discovery District over the last few years blows the tall sterile condo towers built in Nashville and Austin out of the water in terms of livability. The way Gay Street has been developed is so much more enjoyable than boring 30 story condo tower filled with people who only live their part time and with 6 floors of parking along the street level. I'd even take the 6 story Edwards project on High between Gay and Long (it was Edwards right) over most of the towers that have gone up in Nashville and Austin. Within the next year or two all of those commercial spaces are going to be full, and the parking garage is completely hidden from High Street. They managed to fill a giant city block with commercial space. Most towers in Austin or Nashville reserve half of a city block just for the entrance to a parking garage. I could go on and on, but the point is that height is good barometer for good urban development, and much of Austin and Nashville has been far from good. This is just copium, in my opinion. As if people on the forum would be anything but absolutely thrilled to get a couple dozen residential high-rise projects proposed for Downtown/urban core. We praise mediocrity in development because those are typically the development projects Columbus gets, not because they're the pinnacle of development possibilities. Most of the development you're talking about is mid at best for an urban core. Jeffrey Park, GY, Neighborhood Launch, etc. are essentially just versions of suburban lifestyle centers, and the funny thing is that Dublin- an actual suburb- made one that is arguably more walkable, dense and interestingly urban than any of those built partially or fully within Columbus. It's embarrassing. I also fully reject the idea that a taller building is automatically more sterile. It's how the ground floor is built and how it interacts with the street- just like with shorter buildings- that ultimately makes it good or not. Despite being short, most of the developments you mentioned are almost entirely sterile from a street interaction standpoint, with a lot of use separation, street setbacks and and overall lack of incorporated retail/restaurant space within the larger project. Franklinton is getting better projects, but they seem more willing to allow them than most other areas of the city.
May 22, 20241 yr 18 hours ago, jeremyck01 said: I’m in Denver now for business. It surpassed Columbus years ago as far as development. There has been so much built, mostly mid-rise, in the last 5-10 years downtown and spreading out from downtown that it’s unrecognizable from 15 years ago. I’m not saying this to disparage Columbus, it’s just something I notice when I’m in Denver. I hope that Columbus gets to this level of build out. Denver is also ~25 years ahead of us in terms of population growth (in terms of MSAs), and way ahead of us in terms of tourism. We'll never be able to match their tourism. They also benefit from being the only major city in their state, and really their region. Meanwhile, we are competing with Cleveland and Cincinnati within our state, as well as Pittsburgh, Indy, Chicago, Detroit, etc. regionally. I think we are getting close to seeing a development boom similar to what Denver has seen over the past 20 years, although we may never quite match what they have had for the reasons stated above.
May 22, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, cbussoccer said: Denver is also ~25 years ahead of us in terms of population growth (in terms of MSAs), and way ahead of us in terms of tourism. We'll never be able to match their tourism. They also benefit from being the only major city in their state, and really their region. Meanwhile, we are competing with Cleveland and Cincinnati within our state, as well as Pittsburgh, Indy, Chicago, Detroit, etc. regionally. I think we are getting close to seeing a development boom similar to what Denver has seen over the past 20 years, although we may never quite match what they have had for the reasons stated above. The tourism thing is what I think so many people forget when trying to compare Columbus to some of those other metros. It’s just not here and I don’t think it will ever be, and I’m okay with that. It’s not like we can magically build an ocean or mountains to attract people.
May 22, 20241 yr On 5/21/2024 at 4:12 PM, jeremyck01 said: I’m in Denver now for business. It surpassed Columbus years ago as far as development. There has been so much built, mostly mid-rise, in the last 5-10 years downtown and spreading out from downtown that it’s unrecognizable from 15 years ago. I’m not saying this to disparage Columbus, it’s just something I notice when I’m in Denver. I hope that Columbus gets to this level of build out. To be fair we have had a ton of mid-rise as well in the past decade. All of what’s been built from High & Lane through downtown outside of the Hilton has been. Then you start looking at Grandview, UA, Childrens, two monstrosities at Wexner, Franklinton, OTE/KL, Jeffrey and various infills in SN/IV/VV. Our “core” has seen a lot of growth that sometimes I think we take for granted.
May 22, 20241 yr 40 minutes ago, wpcc88 said: To be fair we have had a ton of mid-rise as well in the past decade. All of what’s been built from High & Lane through downtown outside of the Hilton has been. Then you start looking at Grandview, UA, Childrens, two monstrosities at Wexner, Franklinton, OTE/KL, Jeffrey and various infills in SN/IV/VV. Our “core” has seen a lot of growth that sometimes I think we take for granted. There’s been solid growth as you’ve stated but I’ve been to Denver recently and our growth feels like a drop in a bucket compared to Denver (i get it’s not a fair comparison).
May 24, 20241 yr On 5/22/2024 at 11:11 AM, cbussoccer said: Denver is also ~25 years ahead of us in terms of population growth (in terms of MSAs), and way ahead of us in terms of tourism. We'll never be able to match their tourism. They also benefit from being the only major city in their state, and really their region. Meanwhile, we are competing with Cleveland and Cincinnati within our state, as well as Pittsburgh, Indy, Chicago, Detroit, etc. regionally. I think we are getting close to seeing a development boom similar to what Denver has seen over the past 20 years, although we may never quite match what they have had for the reasons stated above. Denver is also the only significant city in about an 8 hour radius so people from the region tend to gravitate towards there and the area has always pulled in outsiders from around the country because of the abundance of sunlight and the winter sports. We have like a dozen or more significant metro areas to contend with in the same radius around Columbus.
May 26, 20241 yr The tourism and hype of Denver, Austin, Nashville, etc have also created all sorts of problems for those cities where basically they all now have locals who hate newcomers and many who are getting priced out of their own neighborhoods. Not saying I don’t want more visitors to all of Ohio, I do, and I love cranes in the air as much as any of you… but our more moderated pace of growth and development has its advantages.
May 26, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, mu2010 said: The tourism and hype of Denver, Austin, Nashville, etc have also created all sorts of problems for those cities where basically they all now have locals who hate newcomers and many who are getting priced out of their own neighborhoods. Not saying I don’t want more visitors to all of Ohio, I do, and I love cranes in the air as much as any of you… but our more moderated pace of growth and development has its advantages. That’s why I am fine with what we are. A ton that has all the amenities we need but is super easy to get anywhere. Tourism causes insane traffic problems and messes up housing available to people who actually live in those towns.
May 26, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, mu2010 said: The tourism and hype of Denver, Austin, Nashville, etc have also created all sorts of problems for those cities where basically they all now have locals who hate newcomers and many who are getting priced out of their own neighborhoods. Not saying I don’t want more visitors to all of Ohio, I do, and I love cranes in the air as much as any of you… but our more moderated pace of growth and development has its advantages. Columbus has had tons of newcomers for 100+ years so natives are used to them. There was a little friction around 2000 when southern Delaware County and New Albany were exploding but that subsided.
May 27, 20241 yr 23 hours ago, GCrites said: Columbus has had tons of newcomers for 100+ years so natives are used to them. There was a little friction around 2000 when southern Delaware County and New Albany were exploding but that subsided. According to commenters on the Dispatch FB page, Columbus has turned into a ghetto worse that Chicago. I don't know why anyone would venture inside of 270. 🙄
May 27, 20241 yr People like that always live in dumpy little hamlets outside of 270 like Georgesville, Darbydale and Reese.
May 27, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Pablo said: According to commenters on the Dispatch FB page, Columbus has turned into a ghetto worse that Chicago. I don't know why anyone would venture inside of 270. 🙄 Exactly why I avoid Facebook (and Twitter) at all costs. Ain't nobody got time for that! 😂
May 28, 20241 yr Dirt moving this week where more apartments will soon rise behind the new Aldi at W Fifth and Edgehill And a quick look at the new Aldi rising at the corner
May 30, 20241 yr Snatched a quick one of 1350 W 5th while I was out gettin my Chinese food. I think I'm starting to learn from @CbusOrBust
May 30, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, PrestoKinetic said: Snatched a quick one of 1350 W 5th while I was out gettin my Chinese food. I think I'm starting to learn from @CbusOrBust It's kind of odd how quickly they took down the crane. The built the stairwells and then apparently didn't need it anymore.
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