January 20, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, wpcc88 said: I’ve been out of town for a month, has the Goodwill complex been demo’d as well? From what I could tell, all of it still looked intact. I forgot that was supposed to come down too!
January 24, 20223 yr On 1/20/2022 at 11:43 AM, wpcc88 said: I’ve been out of town for a month, has the Goodwill complex been demo’d as well? No, just the White Castle building thus far.
May 9, 20223 yr Maybe I’m missing part of the story, but why are they still trying to sell and find a new HQ if costs are too high for them to build here, rather than just staying where they’re at? Doesn’t really make any sense to me. Goodwill Columbus cancels HQ redevelopment plan, citing sky-high construction costs “Goodwill Columbus no longer plans to redevelop its Edgehill Road campus, but will instead sell the building. The nonprofit said rising construction costs are responsible for its decision. It had planned to build a new headquarters and retail store at the property in Columbus' Fifth by Northwest neighborhood. Columbus-based construction company Elford Inc. had been selected to lead the project. Since the redevelopment was announced at the beginning of 2021, the cost to build a new building has doubled, according to the release. “In good conscience, we cannot justify spending this kind of money to build a new headquarters," Goodwill CEO Ryan Burgess said in the release. "This new direction provides us an opportunity to invest in our current infrastructure, technology, and people. Ultimately, it will help us achieve our strategic goal of equipping 100,000 people with the tools to advance economic mobility through the power of work by 2030.” Goodwill has started a search for its next headquarters location.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/05/09/goodwill-columbus-headquarters-fifth-by-northwest.html
May 9, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, amped91 said: Maybe I’m missing part of the story, but why are they still trying to sell and find a new HQ if costs are too high for them to build here, rather than just staying where they’re at? Doesn’t really make any sense to me. Goodwill Columbus cancels HQ redevelopment plan, citing sky-high construction costs “Goodwill Columbus no longer plans to redevelop its Edgehill Road campus, but will instead sell the building. The nonprofit said rising construction costs are responsible for its decision. It had planned to build a new headquarters and retail store at the property in Columbus' Fifth by Northwest neighborhood. Columbus-based construction company Elford Inc. had been selected to lead the project. Since the redevelopment was announced at the beginning of 2021, the cost to build a new building has doubled, according to the release. “In good conscience, we cannot justify spending this kind of money to build a new headquarters," Goodwill CEO Ryan Burgess said in the release. "This new direction provides us an opportunity to invest in our current infrastructure, technology, and people. Ultimately, it will help us achieve our strategic goal of equipping 100,000 people with the tools to advance economic mobility through the power of work by 2030.” Goodwill has started a search for its next headquarters location.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/05/09/goodwill-columbus-headquarters-fifth-by-northwest.html My guess is that someone came in and offered them a ton of money to sell the land, or told them it was more valuable to sell and build somewhere else.
May 10, 20223 yr 7 hours ago, VintageLife said: My guess is that someone came in and offered them a ton of money to sell the land, or told them it was more valuable to sell and build somewhere else. An honest line from the CEO would’ve been just that: “construction costs have doubled but the value of our property has quadrupled.” They can literally move a few miles east on 5th; buy, build and still have money left over.
May 10, 20223 yr 18 minutes ago, wpcc88 said: An honest line from the CEO would’ve been just that: “construction costs have doubled but the value of our property has quadrupled.” They can literally move a few miles east on 5th; buy, build and still have money left over. I wouldn’t be surprised if Elford ends up buying the property and developing it.
May 10, 20223 yr 12 hours ago, VintageLife said: I wouldn’t be surprised if Elford ends up buying the property and developing it. Is my understanding that the redevelopment of the former White Castle office site, while also by Elford and bordering the Goodwill site, is a separate project correct? If so, I could absolutely so Elford buying the GW site and developing a much larger MUD here.
June 4, 20223 yr More demo recently occurred near 5th and Delashmut. I’m guessing this is also for the Elford project?
June 29, 20222 yr I don’t remember any renderings having been released for this project until now. But all demo is now complete on site, and preliminary ground work has begun. White Castle, Elford turning 5th Avenue office into apartments “White Castle and Elford are teaming up on another mixed-use real estate project, this time in Columbus' Fifth by Northwest neighborhood. The fast food chain's former district office building on West 5th Avenue will be transformed into 196 apartments and 7,000 square feet of retail and commercial space. There will also be a 326 space parking garage. The mixed-use project at 915 W. Fifth Ave., dubbed the Blakely, will open in late 2023. Elford broke ground on the project earlier this year. ArchAll Architects is the architect.“ https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/06/29/white-castle-elford-apartments-grandview.html
June 29, 20222 yr Who would have predicted White Castle would be a bastion of mixed use redevelopment partnerships of underutilized property while CVS would be the bas**** of the same?
June 29, 20222 yr ^CVS has actually been a problem for a while, despite the usefulness of their locations to city folk. How to Get a CVS That Doesn’t Suck That standardization makes them money, at least on the front end. But more communities are demanding something better than the anywhere 13,000 square foot box inside an asphalt donut. https://nextstl.com/2012/07/how-to-get-a-cvs-that-doesn-t-suck/
June 29, 20222 yr 11 minutes ago, GCrites80s said: 13,000 square foot box inside an asphalt donut. What a beautiful description. Hit the nail on the head here. Edited June 29, 20222 yr by TIm
June 29, 20222 yr In the meantime, Walgreens is focusing on adaptive reuses for smaller footprints (like High Street at OSU) and has been trying to provide larger food options in food deserts and generally has a better urban model store format. But I guess perhaps being founded in Chicago vs Tiny Town, USA might influential over the years.
June 30, 20222 yr 4 hours ago, DTCL11 said: In the meantime, Walgreens is focusing on adaptive reuses for smaller footprints (like High Street at OSU) and has been trying to provide larger food options in food deserts and generally has a better urban model store format. But I guess perhaps being founded in Chicago vs Tiny Town, USA might influential over the years. CVS is from Boston/Providence, RI…. Also they’ve done a great job during the pandemic and even before providing healthcare services to underserved areas. Plus it’s not like they don’t have urban options, there used to be one on state and high in a multi-story building that just closed in April. So their development style doesn’t meet your expectations, the other things they’re doing are far more important at the end of the day.
June 30, 20222 yr That's the same logic of "It doesn't matter what Elon Musk does because electric cars are good for the environment."
June 30, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, GCrites80s said: That's the same logic of "It doesn't matter what Elon Musk does because electric cars are good for the environment." In a way yes… but for sake of staying on topic most are giving the pharmacy in the short north a pass for doing the same thing… because they’re doing good for their community… CVS isn’t a real estate company… they along with Walgreens and the rest lease those urban stores… so again, just because they disappoint you doesn’t mean they don’t do good things too
June 30, 20222 yr We can go back and forth for pages over the details and justifications behind our opinions but the fact remains that it is not unreasonable to make potshots at the expense of CVS regarding their demands on Neil where there should rightfully be less leeway than Equitas for a litany of reasons, namely that they arent doing the same thing as CVS at all. Edited June 30, 20222 yr by DTCL11
June 30, 20222 yr 3 hours ago, wpcc88 said: In a way yes… but for sake of staying on topic most are giving the pharmacy in the short north a pass for doing the same thing… because they’re doing good for their community… CVS isn’t a real estate company… they along with Walgreens and the rest lease those urban stores… so again, just because they disappoint you doesn’t mean they don’t do good things too It is certainly true that CVS is so opposed to being landlords that they avoid mixed use and owning property.
June 30, 20222 yr 12 hours ago, wpcc88 said: CVS is from Boston/Providence, RI…. Also they’ve done a great job during the pandemic and even before providing healthcare services to underserved areas. Plus it’s not like they don’t have urban options, there used to be one on state and high in a multi-story building that just closed in April. So their development style doesn’t meet your expectations, the other things they’re doing are far more important at the end of the day. CVS is from Lowell, MA which is nothing like either of those cities. Just a college town of about 100K people 40min north of Boston (with no traffic, in reality it's way longer of a drive). Edited June 30, 20222 yr by TIm
June 30, 20222 yr 3 hours ago, TIm said: CVS is from Lowell, MA which is nothing like either of those cities. Just a college town of about 100K people 40min north of Boston (with no traffic, in reality it's way longer of a drive). Ok and White Castle was actually founded it in Wichita, Kansas what’s your point?
June 30, 20222 yr 4 hours ago, wpcc88 said: Ok and White Castle was actually founded it in Wichita, Kansas what’s your point? You were trying to imply that CVS being from those dense urban cities (which they aren't) along with their terrible footprint makes their current building designs okay for modern cities. CVS was founded in an area where single story asphalt donut lots were acceptable and are trying to force that into much more urbanized areas. They should not be designed like that in the urban cores of cities, it's a terrible design choice and horrible use of space. It's okay to be wrong sometimes, it's an opportunity to learn. Don't make it contentious.
June 30, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, TIm said: You were trying to imply that CVS being from those dense urban cities (which they aren't) along with their terrible footprint makes their current building designs okay for modern cities. CVS was founded in an area where single story asphalt donut lots were acceptable and are trying to force that into much more urbanized areas. They should not be designed like that in the urban cores of cities, it's a terrible design choice and horrible use of space. It's okay to be wrong sometimes, it's an opportunity to learn. Don't make it contentious. they're literally based in Providence… let’s not act like their CEO lives in Celina and that’s what’s influencing their real estate decisions… my point was their focus was on their mission, not appeasing posters on a forum
July 1, 20222 yr 19 hours ago, wpcc88 said: they're literally based in Providence… let’s not act like their CEO lives in Celina and that’s what’s influencing their real estate decisions… my point was their focus was on their mission, not appeasing posters on a forum They're actually based in Woonsocket... It's about 30 minutes north of Providence.
July 24, 20222 yr Elford’s 5th Ave project has completed demolition and started foundation work: The Fairfax from Preferred looks like it will be wrapping up soon.
August 4, 20222 yr Hopefully this gets approved and started soon. There’s already several multi family buildings in the immediate area, and it gets rid of a handful of nondescript single story buildings. 180-Unit Building Proposed for Densifying Corridor in Fifth by Northwest “A proposal to build a five-story, 180-unit mixed-use development in Fifth by Northwest will be heard by the Columbus Development Commission this afternoon. The project would require the demolition of three single-story buildings, located at 1138-1156 Chambers Rd. The buildings sit just to the east of Meister’s Bar, which is not a part of the development and will remain. The new building would have a 2,000-square-foot restaurant space on the first floor and a two-level parking garage with space for 290 cars, according to zoning documents submitted to the city. Preferred Living is the developer, a company that has been very active in the immediate area – directly across the street from the proposed building, the five-story Essex apartment building was recently completed and is now leasing, while the five-story Fairfax building, at 1550 Kenny Road, is listed as “coming soon” on Preferred Living’s website.” https://columbusunderground.com/180-unit-building-proposed-for-densifying-corridor-in-fifth-by-northwest-bw1/
August 18, 20222 yr Work has begun at the former sweet carrot location - it will become the newest location for Hot Chicken Takeover.
August 18, 20222 yr 3 minutes ago, NightNectar said: Work has begun at the former sweet carrot location - it will become the newest location for Hot Chicken Takeover. Is that the location at the corner of 5th and Grandview? I’d thought Sweet Carrot was still using it for catering.
August 19, 20222 yr 11 hours ago, amped91 said: Is that the location at the corner of 5th and Grandview? I’d thought Sweet Carrot was still using it for catering. She was until very recently. Likely realized she could lease the space at a rate that would allow her to make money and relocate the catering operation to a new location that is not as prominent.
August 19, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, NightNectar said: She was until very recently. Likely realized she could lease the space at a rate that would allow her to make money and relocate the catering operation to a new location that is not as prominent. Makes sense. I figured it was a matter of time. I won’t complain about more HCT either! Hope they keep the mural though.
August 19, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, amped91 said: Makes sense. I figured it was a matter of time. I won’t complain about more HCT either! Hope they keep the mural though. I was just thinking this, Grandview is lowkey becoming an area with some solid murals and this was has a lot of visibility so I really hope they keep it. I may message HCT on social media to advocate for that.
August 31, 20222 yr 4 minutes ago, Kriegs said: Does anyone have renderings for the project? If you're asking about The Blakely, there's a couple in here: https://columbusunderground.com/second-project-proposed-for-west-fifth-avenue-bw1/
September 1, 20222 yr On 5/10/2022 at 10:35 AM, amped91 said: Is my understanding that the redevelopment of the former White Castle office site, while also by Elford and bordering the Goodwill site, is a separate project correct? If so, I could absolutely so Elford buying the GW site and developing a much larger MUD here. Called it earlier this year! Columbus developer Elford buying Goodwill's Grandview-area HQ “Goodwill Columbus plans to sell its headquarters to Elford Development. Ryan Burgess, CEO of Goodwill Columbus, confirmed that the nonprofit is in contract to sell the entire Edgehill Road campus to Columbus-based Elford, who plans to redevelop the Grandview-area site. Elford did not immediately respond to a request for comment, but its plans for the site are on the Columbus Development Commission's Sept. 8 agenda. According to plans submitted to the city, Elford wants to build apartments at the roughly 4-acre site.“ https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/09/01/goodwill-hq-elford-redeveloping-grandview-area.html GW and COTA should partner for COTA’s downtown Greyhound redev, imo.
September 1, 20222 yr 22 minutes ago, amped91 said: Called it earlier this year! Columbus developer Elford buying Goodwill's Grandview-area HQ “Goodwill Columbus plans to sell its headquarters to Elford Development. Ryan Burgess, CEO of Goodwill Columbus, confirmed that the nonprofit is in contract to sell the entire Edgehill Road campus to Columbus-based Elford, who plans to redevelop the Grandview-area site. Elford did not immediately respond to a request for comment, but its plans for the site are on the Columbus Development Commission's Sept. 8 agenda. According to plans submitted to the city, Elford wants to build apartments at the roughly 4-acre site.“ https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/09/01/goodwill-hq-elford-redeveloping-grandview-area.html GW and COTA should partner for COTA’s downtown Greyhound redev, imo. I’m sure it will 4-5 possibly 6 stories and won’t be anything impressive, but housing is housing, so hopefully they go big, 4 acres is a decent amount for the city.
September 1, 20222 yr 22 minutes ago, VintageLife said: I’m sure it will 4-5 possibly 6 stories and won’t be anything impressive, but housing is housing, so hopefully they go big, 4 acres is a decent amount for the city. Five sounds about right—I believe that’s what Elford is doing at their other apartment complex right next to this site. Between the two projects, should be several hundred new units. Gonna be a busy, er, even busier area real soon.
September 1, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, amped91 said: GW and COTA should partner for COTA’s downtown Greyhound redev, imo. Greyhound has been using the COTA building down there for their passengers and I guess the residents at Highpoint are moving out because of all the extra people hanging out around that area. I hope they can get something figured out for that area that makes sense for everyone. Wish they would have thought about it before closing the Greyhound building.
September 1, 20222 yr I like the way this part of town keeps adding density. It seems increasingly inevitable that the wave will spread up W 5th Ave to Grandview Ave, at the very least. I'm still betting that some massive mixed-use development eventually claims the Big Lots/Grandview Mercantile building.
September 5, 20222 yr My question is how long until they invest in undergrounding the powerlines that run along 5th -- maybe it's still a little too early, but a consortium of these new residential developments should really go in on a fund for improving the utilities there. They same could be said for 4th St through Italian Village.
September 5, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, jebleprls22 said: My question is how long until they invest in undergrounding the powerlines that run along 5th -- maybe it's still a little too early, but a consortium of these new residential developments should really go in on a fund for improving the utilities there. They same could be said for 4th St through Italian Village. Not sure how true it is but I’ve heard even to bury them during a residential remodel AEP is extremely stubborn to give the green light.
September 6, 20222 yr 15 hours ago, wpcc88 said: Not sure how true it is but I’ve heard even to bury them during a residential remodel AEP is extremely stubborn to give the green light. That is so disappointing to hear. So many neighborhoods *couch cough Clintonville* would look 10x better if there weren't an ungodly mess of hanging wires and mismatched telephone poles lining the streets.
September 7, 20222 yr 17 minutes ago, Glutmax43 said: It looks like an Aldi's is going into at least part of the Goodwill site. If it's only going to be a strip mall, which is what that looks like, it would be really disappointing and go completely against the trajectory of this area. Edited September 7, 20222 yr by jonoh81
September 7, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, jonoh81 said: If it's only going to be a strip mall, which is what that looks like, it would be really disappointing and go completely against the trajectory of this area. Elford has said they have apartments planned for the Goodwill site. Wonder if they’re going for the Thurber Village vibe with the grocery store as an out parcel and apartments behind? I would def prefer to see an urban-style Aldi for the site, though.
September 9, 20222 yr Would still prefer a more urban-style Aldi, but I also don’t hate this proposal either. Another 250 apartments in addition to the nearly 200 next door, and two grocer announcements in the city in one week. Definitely some positives. Aldi Planned for Fifth Avenue Spot as Part of New Development “An Aldi grocery store could be headed to the Fifth by Northwest neighborhood. The new store would be located at the southwest corner of West Fifth Avenue and Edgehill Road, the current site of several buildings owned by Goodwill Columbus that contain the organization’s headquarters, an art gallery and other operations. Plans call for the 20,000-square-foot Aldi to be built close to the street, with a parking lot behind it. Directly to the south of the parking lot, a five-story, 250-unit apartment building is planned. Parking for the apartments would be provided in an attached, 250-space parking garage. The proposed development, from Elford Development, got a boost last night from the Columbus Development Commission, which voted to approve a rezoning for the residential portion of the site.” https://columbusunderground.com/aldi-planned-for-fifth-avenue-spot-as-part-of-new-development-bw1/ And a two-story proposed at the weird, vacant triangle lot at 1249 W 3rd. Restaurant and patio space on the first floor with office space on the second.
September 9, 20222 yr 28 minutes ago, amped91 said: Would still prefer a more urban-style Aldi, but I also don’t hate this proposal either. Another 250 apartments in addition to the nearly 200 next door, and two grocer announcements in the city in one week. Definitely some positives. Aldi Planned for Fifth Avenue Spot as Part of New Development “An Aldi grocery store could be headed to the Fifth by Northwest neighborhood. The new store would be located at the southwest corner of West Fifth Avenue and Edgehill Road, the current site of several buildings owned by Goodwill Columbus that contain the organization’s headquarters, an art gallery and other operations. Plans call for the 20,000-square-foot Aldi to be built close to the street, with a parking lot behind it. Directly to the south of the parking lot, a five-story, 250-unit apartment building is planned. Parking for the apartments would be provided in an attached, 250-space parking garage. The proposed development, from Elford Development, got a boost last night from the Columbus Development Commission, which voted to approve a rezoning for the residential portion of the site.” https://columbusunderground.com/aldi-planned-for-fifth-avenue-spot-as-part-of-new-development-bw1/ And a two-story proposed at the weird, vacant triangle lot at 1249 W 3rd. Restaurant and patio space on the first floor with office space on the second. I get that ALDI is cheaper than Giant Eagle, but goodness, that is a super close location for another grocer. Still think it isn’t really needed, especially right on 5th. At least the grocery is along 5th and parking behind. I still don’t understand how they can’t just put the grocery in the bottom of a mixed use build.
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