Yes, they did repair the side facing the union club after some storm damage I believe but it still looks terrible.  I found this from 1968. Hard to believe it could be the same building. I don't know that anything still exists beneath the current facade.

 

Not to go too far off topic but did anyone else notice the "modern" streetlights in this pic!  Not as nice as the historic ones from the past but I think these are more interesting than the current ones. 

^Yes looking back at Euclid Ave. street lamps those are my favorite. And anything's better than the GCRTA chosen lamps we have now. Was a poor choice IMO.

 

Also regarding the Sterling building here is a cool pic.

Is that an attached tower in the rendering?

Kennametal's search for a new HQ is over....

http://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2016/02/24/Market-downturns-convince-Kennametal-to-end-hunt-for-new-headquarters/stories/201602240216

Kennametal's search for a new HQ is over....

http://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2016/02/24/Market-downturns-convince-Kennametal-to-end-hunt-for-new-headquarters/stories/201602240216

 

On hold.  Not "over".

 

I've heard from metals industry people (second or third hand) they're looking towards either suburban Cleveland or consolidation in Latrobe. 

^ Hey, I'll still take suburban Cleveland over nowhere in Cleveland

Medical Mutual's acquisition of the insurance operations of HealthSpan, which is HQ'd in Cincinnati, may affect the scale of Medical Mutual's possible consolidations of its Northern Ohio offices, including its downtown Cleveland headquarters that's in an historic office building and ripe for a housing conversion, into a new office tower....

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2526.msg792860.html#msg792860

Medical Mutual's acquisition of HealthSpan, which is HQ'd in Cincinnati, may affect the scale of Medical Mutual's possible consolidations of its Northern Ohio offices, including its downtown Cleveland headquarters that's in an historic office building and ripe for a housing conversion, into a new office tower....

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2526.msg792860.html#msg792860

 

Hopefully this has nothing to do with what you posted...

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20160301/NEWS/160309979/1111/rss28

 

Plan before Cleveland City Council could free up land for development in eastern suburbs

 

specifically, "Nichols said the decision to revise the deal was prompted by an inquiry by a prospect for a parcel in Highland Hills. Neither Nichols nor Douglas Miller, president and CEO of Jacobs Group, would disclose the name of the prospect."

 

 

^ I wasn't even thinking that when I read that Crains piece. Thanks for making me nauseous  :oops:

i hope MM stays downtown, and I think they will just based on their involvement and constant sponsorship of downtown events as well as what the did in Columbus. But I found that piece of the article interesting. Outside of ikea and MM, I don't know what other tenants for that much land would be looking.

Not that anything has been decided yet but I don't understand how a large company could remain headquartered in downtown Cleveland through all the bad years (2000-2010) and then bolt for the suburbs now. (looking at you Eaton Corp.)  It's like ordering a steak, sitting and waiting, and then walking out as it arrives to the table.

^^Well there's a certain paint company we all know and love...btw I have zero faith in city officials when it comes to negotiations regarding companies looking for HQ space.  Jackson always seems so proud that Cleveland receives some tax revenue from the Highlands. He's like 50 % is good. I'm fine with it.  And if that's not bad enough Kasich will come up with some tax money for them to move like he did for AG/Eaton.  More subsidies should be available if you stay or move to the city as opposed to the burbs. And Doug Miller is like a double agent he should only be focused on the PS property...communist... Nothing burns me more than companies moving away from the city that they have been invested in for decades...(rant over)

How unfortunate Jacobs group is involved in both the Public Square lot and the Chagrin highlands. What incentive do they have to steer companies downtown where they likely make money from parking vs green field development? I was concerned when I saw that pop up on the planning commission agenda last week and have been waiting for the follow-up article.

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2016/02192016/index.php

 

Ordinance No. 155-16(Highland Hills, OH): Designating certain property owned by the City of Cleveland in Chagrin Highlands in the Village of Highland Hills as a municipal utility district and authorizing the Director of Economic Development to enter into a Municipal Utility District Agreement with the Village of Highland Hills for improvement of said property and sharing of income tax proceeds resulting from the development of the property.

Here is the current Chagrin Highlands brochure and map.

 

http://jresgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Chagrin-Highlands_Brochure.pdf

 

Let's assume that this were Ikea, who looked at Chagrin Highlands 15 years avo... The Highland Hills parcel noted in Crain's article is 84 acres, but only the eastern most (at top of hill above Tri-C) would be visible from 271... - meaning that specific parcel could be IKEA bait - and no other. Though the parcel is not as close as normal to a highway for Ikea while the nearby hill that Eaton is on is, as I have heard it, the highest point in Cuy County (?) - and their building can be seen well to the east and west. So a giant blue/yellow IKEA (if zoning allowed.. which it may not currently)  high on the hill would still be very, very visible..if not highway-close.). Stores in places like Seattle are far less visible... The Harvard/271 exits have also already been improved and can handle traffic well.

 

I'm not getting too worried about any of this news. The article says its in response to a parcel in Highland Hills, and even though the brochure lists the total HH area as 84 acres, we don't know what size the actual parcel in question is. It could just as easily be a company like Omnova which moved up here from Akron and took a (relative to Eaton) small parcel.

So I'm gonna speculate here, and this is pure speculation, but it's obvious that the culture of Sherwin and Medical Mutual is conducive to downtown. They have sponsored an unbelievable amount of stuff in the city and I don't see them abandoning that anytime soon. Here's what I see happening...CLE sells land to Highland Hills in order for Jacobs to develop IKEA. I think ikea is hot on northeast Ohio and they don't want the Brooklyn fiasco to hinder their expansion here. This really is the only other logical site for Them. Cleveland takes the proceeds from the sale and offers them as incentive to a developer or company that wants to build in downtown (ahem...Jacobs lot and MM or SW). In turn, Jacobs takes the incentive, develops their property downtown for a new corporate headquarters and still gets to develop chagrin highlands with less red tape involved. Win win for everyone. It seems over the head of our leaders, but not too far fetched.

 

Edit: Not sure if anyone has any inside info, but can I at least get a "hot or cold" on my theory  :-D

I'm less worried about SW moving there than I was yesterday. Before the current LeBron billboard they had a billboard that said "Cleveland: our home forever." God willing, I can't imagine much has changed since then.

SW is not going there, at least from what I have heard from SW employees.  Barring something that would throw their entire downtown contingent for a loop, they are expecting new offices downtown

I was less worried about SW than I was about MM I think Sherwin is even more committed than any other company. I truly feel that this will be a turning point for downtown. If MM stays and consolidates, we can potentially have 4 new large towers under construction at the same time (SW HQ, MM HQ, Nucleus, Weston tower) and the image of our city changes in an instant. Hell, our entire skyline will change if that happens. It would scream that Cleveland is back and for good this time. However, the reverse can happen if we lose MM. It would be a tremendous blow to downtown, even moreso than Eaton leaving. I guess that's why I am so curious to hear any rumors. Either way, the effects are much larger than almost any other project at the moment.

I was less worried about SW than I was about MM I think Sherwin is even more committed than any other company. I truly feel that this will be a turning point for downtown. If MM stays and consolidates, we can potentially have 4 new large towers under construction at the same time (SW HQ, MM HQ, Nucleus, Weston tower) and the image of our city changes in an instant. Hell, our entire skyline will change if that happens. It would scream that Cleveland is back and for good this time. However, the reverse can happen if we lose MM. It would be a tremendous blow to downtown, even moreso than Eaton leaving. I guess that's why I am so curious to hear any rumors. Either way, the effects are much larger than almost any other project at the moment.

 

You're also forgetting 515 Euclid (which I think is more likely than nuCLEus), a new Justice Center tower (OR TWO if the jail is built separately), and a Playhouse Square residential tower. Weston ultimately plans four towers, but the others are obviously more long term (except one is a 37-story office tower that could be in play depending on whatever SW and MM decide to do). So there could 3-4 office/civic towers under construction at the same time, plus at least several residential towers.

 

This would require a major ramping up of trades hirings or their pay. So it might not be possible to have all of this happen as quickly and as simultaneously as we would want.

I was less worried about SW than I was about MM I think Sherwin is even more committed than any other company. I truly feel that this will be a turning point for downtown. If MM stays and consolidates, we can potentially have 4 new large towers under construction at the same time (SW HQ, MM HQ, Nucleus, Weston tower) and the image of our city changes in an instant. Hell, our entire skyline will change if that happens. It would scream that Cleveland is back and for good this time. However, the reverse can happen if we lose MM. It would be a tremendous blow to downtown, even moreso than Eaton leaving. I guess that's why I am so curious to hear any rumors. Either way, the effects are much larger than almost any other project at the moment.

 

SW isn't going anywhere.

 

MM is making moves towards absorbing Healthspan, which occupies a significant amount of space in a campus south of Granger Road on Lancaster, just east of the 480 Brookpark exit.  There's room to build new in the area as well, especially if parking was consolidated into a garage.

 

That's something to watch.

SW isn't going anywhere.

 

MM is making moves towards absorbing Healthspan, which occupies a significant amount of space in a campus south of Granger Road on Lancaster, just east of the 480 Brookpark exit.  There's room to build new in the area as well, especially if parking was consolidated into a garage.

 

That's something to watch.

 

That's true although I wonder if that area could handle another 1,000 employees or so. The roadway capacity around there is pretty limited. Plus there's no easy access to westbound I-480.

IBM will make itself at home atop 1111 Superior Building

 

 

Taking three floors of offices with a view of downtown Cleveland, IBM Corp. has leased the former Eaton Corp. executive offices atop the 28-story 1111 Superior Building.  Myrna Previte, the Kowit & Co. broker who represents the office tower, said the just-executed lease reflects stepped-up office action in the city and building.

 

“It’s very exciting for downtown,” she said. “It’s not musical chairs but a blue-chip tenant that is expanding.” IBM spokesman Clint Roswell confirmed the company has leased space in the structure. He said IBM will station an operation currently in the region in the property but was unable to provide more details.

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20160306/NEWS/160309885/ibm-will-make-itself-at-home-atop-1111-superior-building

I know this is going to prompt rampant speculation for the next few posts lol, but I just got wind that one of the two companies mentioned recently in this thread as wanting new space is looking at building a 40 story tower in downtown.

I know this is going to prompt rampant speculation for the next few posts lol, but I just got wind that one of the two companies mentioned recently in this thread as wanting new space is looking at building a 40 story tower in downtown.

 

Let's assume that this were Ikea,

 

You heard it here first, folks. We are getting a 40 story Ikea downtown.

And they're OFF! ;) Haha this will definitely create some fun conversation here.  But hopefully we find out sooner rather than later...  I do have a question: Is there any possibility that the surface lot on Euclid Avenue in between the City Club and 668 could support one of these potential future high-rises?  Or is it too small?  Obviously the Public Square lot is the most desirable for the next large tower, but that is one of the only surface lots on the main stretch of Euclid Avenue left.  I wonder how long it will remain so.

This is always fun. I would hope that it is MM. That would mean that they'd be bringing a lot of workers from different suburban locations into downtown (though they obviously have a lot downtown). I assume SW has most of their local office staff already downtown. 

 

Regarding location--it just has to be the public square property. please o please.

I know this is going to prompt rampant speculation for the next few posts lol, but I just got wind that one of the two companies mentioned recently in this thread as wanting new space is looking at building a 40 story tower in downtown.

 

Well, you called it first on 925 Euclid getting the catalytic tax credit.

 

And I'm pretty sure you're talking about Medical Mutual because you've participated in discussions about it and not about Sherwin Williams.

Medical Mutual's acquisition of HealthSpan, which is HQ'd in Cincinnati, may affect the scale of Medical Mutual's possible consolidations of its Northern Ohio offices, including its downtown Cleveland headquarters that's in an historic office building and ripe for a housing conversion, into a new office tower....

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2526.msg792860.html#msg792860

 

Hopefully this has nothing to do with what you posted...

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20160301/NEWS/160309979/1111/rss28

 

Plan before Cleveland City Council could free up land for development in eastern suburbs

 

specifically, "Nichols said the decision to revise the deal was prompted by an inquiry by a prospect for a parcel in Highland Hills. Neither Nichols nor Douglas Miller, president and CEO of Jacobs Group, would disclose the name of the prospect."

 

Why can't we just annex this area and get it over with? Still split tax revenue with the surrounding cities but make it part of Cleveland?

This just caught my attention. What building is this and what is there now?

EDIT: NVM I see it's still up. It just doesn't stand out as much today as it did in this photo I guess. Maybe because the BP Tower dominates it in the distance.

 

This just caught my attention. What building is this and what is there now?

EDIT: NVM I see it's still up. It just doesn't stand out as much today as it did in this photo I guess. Maybe because the BP Tower dominates it in the distance.

 

 

925 Euclid (former Huntington Building). Just looks closer through a telephoto lens.

This just caught my attention. What building is this and what is there now?

EDIT: NVM I see it's still up. It just doesn't stand out as much today as it did in this photo I guess. Maybe because the BP Tower dominates it in the distance.

 

 

925 Euclid (former Huntington Building). Just looks closer through a telephoto lens.

Wow I wouldn't have guessed. Everything was so dirty in the 70s! Even the building next to it is much cleaner now.

The air pollution in the 1970s was so bad you could see it and smell it 10-15 miles east of the Flats. And that soot coated everything.

Geez sounds like an extreme health hazard, glad those days are over.

I'm not sure I've ever noticed the two extra floors before. I'll have to pay extra attention next time I'm by there.

I'm not sure I've ever noticed the two extra floors before. I'll have to pay extra attention next time I'm by there.

 

Here's a more close up view of the 925 Euclid Ave. building with those "extra floors". Looks like they were added on at a later date, but I could not find any info on that.

 

http://www.emporis.com/images/show/222698-Large-exterior-southeast-corner-from-euclid-avenue.jpg

 

http://www.emporis.com/images/show/134267-Large-fullheightview-view-from-street-level.jpg

 

http://www.clevelandskyscrapers.com/cleveland/huntingtonerieview.jpg

Interesting story - those 2 stories were added for what was  meant to be a Blimp Landing Dock.  People had thought it was going to be the next "big thing" and during this time frame some buildings added the capability for a Blimp landing.

 

Its now/was used for catering events and wedding receptions.  Its a really nice venue. 

The airship station interior looks like a train station -- it was the transport terminal model of that era (1924).

One last shot since it is a really good one of the top of the building. Probably taken around 1950 give or take a few years.

 

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/b805aa6274a78da7f802ed4f75d9674fa7978a60/c=1-0-639-480&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/06/16/WKYC/WKYC/635700645294573534-FullSizeRender.jpg

I know this is going to prompt rampant speculation for the next few posts lol, but I just got wind that one of the two companies mentioned recently in this thread as wanting new space is looking at building a 40 story tower in downtown.

 

Well, you called it first on 925 Euclid getting the catalytic tax credit.

 

And I'm pretty sure you're talking about Medical Mutual because you've participated in discussions about it and not about Sherwin Williams.

 

I'm wrong. This can't be about Medical Mutual. They only learned in January that their landlord defaulted on a loan and began their site search. That's probably a six-month process. And their lease downtown and at their temporary location in Strongsville doesn't run out until late-2020. I worked backwards from that in a prior post, and it points to this summer as being the drop-dead date for finding a new home so they can then start designing it. So there's no way they could have ID'd a site and determined their space needs for that site by now. Mov2Ohio is in a position to know about a major end-user's development needs.

 

This is about Sherwin Williams.

 

S-W has been rumored for months here to be looking for a new HQ tower. So who knows how long the internal search has actually been going on. And, yes, I've heard the term "tower" describe their plans. I've also heard they're not looking at Jacobs' Public Square lot or any of their current properties downtown. So it makes me wonder where they are looking. The only other proposed office developments sites I can think of downtown is Geis' site near Burke or Fairmount/Wolstein's Flats East Bank. Of course, neither envisioned a 40-story office tower. So maybe it's another site, like the Weston development which did have a 37-story office tower at Superior and West 3rd in its conceptual plans that were OK'd by the Planning Commission.

 

But this has to be about S-W.

^ I was told by someone at city hall that the Jacobs' lot was indeed on S-W's radar

^ I was told by someone at city hall that the Jacobs' lot was indeed on S-W's radar

 

How recently?

I think Sherwin Williams is a good guess.  They are in an older building and I can see where they would want a more modern space.

 

I don't think the FAA would allow a skyscraper next to Burke, so I don't think this is a viable location.  And Flats East may be in the same boat being close to the flight paths.

 

So, I would guess the Weston location in the warehouse district. Or, possibly the parking lot where the Hippodrome theater was.  Or, maybe on East 12th street.

 

But, I really hope it is the Public Square lot.  We need to get rid of the parking lot here.  A forty story or higher building fits in this location.

Both S-W and MM are in older buildings and both have outgrown their respective buildings. And that was before MM bought HealthSpan's insurance operation. I think they're both moving into new locations. The question before now is which company was far enough along in that process to make it known in the development community what their spaces needs are? That answer is Sherwin Williams. Now the only question is where.

Both S-W and MM are in older buildings and both have outgrown their respective buildings. And that was before MM bought HealthSpan's insurance operation. I think they're both moving into new locations. The question before now is which company was far enough along in that process to make it known in the development community what their spaces needs are? That answer is Sherwin Williams. Now the only question is where.

 

It sounds like SW has been using the word "tower" in casual internal conversations, MM the word "campus".

Both S-W and MM are in older buildings and both have outgrown their respective buildings. And that was before MM bought HealthSpan's insurance operation. I think they're both moving into new locations. The question before now is which company was far enough along in that process to make it known in the development community what their spaces needs are? That answer is Sherwin Williams. Now the only question is where.

 

It sounds like SW has been using the word "tower" in casual internal conversations, MM the word "campus".

 

Meh (at MM, not the SW tower which would be awesome). I hope MM isn't planning on a sprawling suburban campus. It's still possible to have a campus-like setting in a downtown area. Maybe they could take that spot near Flats East Bank that Eaton was previously looking at before moving to the burbs.

Or maybe a campus at the Geis proposed development in the Burke parking lot.  Although a Flats location might make sense considering their lab there.

^ I was told by someone at city hall that the Jacobs' lot was indeed on S-W's radar

 

Depending on how far along SW is, I would assume that they'd still be playing different locations/developer-owners against each other in order to extract the best deal out of the preferred location (assuming they have a preferred location.

I haven't seen anyone bring up nuCLEus at all, unless I missed something.  Obviously neither company is in the business of owning a multi-story office building downtown, so they're looking for a developer.  The only one I can think of that has concrete plans that have been presented to the city is nuCLEus.  If one of these companies does not jump on board there, I think you can kiss that project goodbye, at least in the context that it is right now.  I truly think Jacobs smaller lot is marketable to many different uses, while nuCLEus, because of its size, needs a tenant like MM or SW.  Jacobs can build one "tower" atop a garage with maybe 10 floors of office and 15 of condos, and lease/sellout quickly.

^Doesn't Sherwin Williams own the Midland Building (and maybe the entire "Landmark Towers" complex)?

 

^^And maybe going through the motions of investigating suburban sites and even other states to extract as much public subsidy as possible.