I've said before that it's a LOT better than the first proposal that was just a big strip center.  And there is certainly room to infill those surface lots down the line.  I still don't understand why they ignored the main road, though.  Maybe it's not the most pretty at the moment, but that will change over time with more development.  Overall, it's a poor layout considering.  They could've concentrated everything along Dublin Road and left the back of the site by the railroad tracks as surface parking that was filled in over time.  This all seems very backwards.

 

I kind of disagree that the Columbus side is worse.  More of the site on the Grandview side is left for parking than the Columbus side, I think.  Overall, just a very mixed bag layout that doesn't make any sense. 

This is much better than the original big box retail focused development. I think what limits this developments density is that it's almost all built over land fill. The only area that can support parking garages, has parking garages in the plan, which necessitates the remaining parking lots.

 

That said I hope they fill up Dublin Road with retail. It'd be nice to see that fill in. 

Nothing good can happen with Dublin Road until it's no longer a freeway. That's why the kind of development we like here hasn't made its way to the curb.

5 hours ago, 17thState said:

This is much better than the original big box retail focused development. I think what limits this developments density is that it's almost all built over land fill. The only area that can support parking garages, has parking garages in the plan, which necessitates the remaining parking lots.

 

That said I hope they fill up Dublin Road with retail. It'd be nice to see that fill in. 

 

I don't think it's true that they're unable to build anything major where the planned surface lots are. 

5 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

Nothing good can happen with Dublin Road until it's no longer a freeway. That's why the kind of development we like here hasn't made its way to the curb.

 

That wouldn't stop fronting Dublin with the office/retail parts of the development while sitting any restaurant/residential stuff further back. 

Edited March 8, 20196 yr by jonoh81

12 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

I don't think it's true that they're unable to build anything major where the planned surface lots are. 

This from the Columbus Underground Article

 

"“We were so happy to be able to back away from our retail plan,” said Mark Wagenbrenner, President of Wagenbrenner Development. He explained that, because the new land was never used as a landfill, taller and heavier buildings could be constructed on top of it (like a parking garage, which in turn facilitates more density and a mix of uses)."

 

I'm not an engineer, but I'll believe him. 

 

22 hours ago, 17thState said:

This from the Columbus Underground Article

 

"“We were so happy to be able to back away from our retail plan,” said Mark Wagenbrenner, President of Wagenbrenner Development. He explained that, because the new land was never used as a landfill, taller and heavier buildings could be constructed on top of it (like a parking garage, which in turn facilitates more density and a mix of uses)."

 

I'm not an engineer, but I'll believe him. 

 

The land was the biggest issue, if you remember about 4-5 years ago they had the crane doing site prep by literally dropping a cement block on it to compress it and make it suitable for construction.  Google what happened in Garfield Heights to find out what can go wrong when developing a former dump.

On ‎3‎/‎8‎/‎2019 at 5:55 PM, 17thState said:

This from the Columbus Underground Article

 

"“We were so happy to be able to back away from our retail plan,” said Mark Wagenbrenner, President of Wagenbrenner Development. He explained that, because the new land was never used as a landfill, taller and heavier buildings could be constructed on top of it (like a parking garage, which in turn facilitates more density and a mix of uses)."

 

I'm not an engineer, but I'll believe him. 

 

 

That doesn't say that the southern half of the site couldn't take larger.  In fact, comparing the old renderings with the new, some of the bigger mixed-use buildings are sitting on spots that were within the 1-story strip center, so clearly not all of this is going on new land. A while back, I thought that the landfill couldn't allow it, but now that doesn't seem to be entirely true.

Edited March 10, 20196 yr by jonoh81

^You can build anything you want on landfills - it depends on how much you want to spend on foundations. I recall the Spectrum building on Olentangy River Road was built on a landfill using deep piers drilled through the garbage to bear on solid ground below. 

32 minutes ago, Pablo said:

^You can build anything you want on landfills - it depends on how much you want to spend on foundations. I recall the Spectrum building on Olentangy River Road was built on a landfill using deep piers drilled through the garbage to bear on solid ground below. 

This is true. You can build just about anything anywhere-as long as you are allowed to. But of course this does not take into account profitability, and these developers do take that into account. Someone could build a 1,500 foot residential tower in downtown Columbus if they were allowed to-but could they make money doing it?  Like most things, it is all about the benjamins(no Jewish slur intended).

 

There are some things on the public end where it is just expected that costs will be high or that there may be a loss of money and things may even need to be propped up financially for some time-think government buildings and public transit systems. But the private sector just does not work that way. If the cost for building higher and heavier on some parts of that landfill site are deemed to be too high and profit will suffer, they will not do it. It seems like people forget this.

Edited March 10, 20196 yr by Toddguy

2 hours ago, Pablo said:

^You can build anything you want on landfills - it depends on how much you want to spend on foundations. I recall the Spectrum building on Olentangy River Road was built on a landfill using deep piers drilled through the garbage to bear on solid ground below. 

 

Okay, but it's a lot different to say they can't rather than just not wanting to spend the money to do so.  Also, they spent a bunch of money already remediating the entire site, so I'm not sure that's really the story, either.

Edited March 11, 20196 yr by jonoh81

1 hour ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Okay, but it's a lot different to say they can't rather than just not wanting to spend the money to do so.  Also, they spent a bunch of money already remediating the entire site, so I'm not sure that's really the story, either.

Some of the blame really needs to be shifted from the developers and to the city, and the citizens themselves. Maybe things would be different if the city required certain things at that site, or even came back to them and addressed that they would prefer development that would have a better frontage along Dublin road, and could they try and revise the plan?

 

Where is the zoning, where is the decent public transit system to this site? Where are the people who are willing to use public transit? The city government reflects the city-Cbus is still very car centric and many many people are very averse to public transit(and paying for such transit).  Until the attitudes of the citizens change, and the change is reflected in the government and zoning and public transit investment, we are just going to have to try to get the best we can get-and I think this is it for this site, given all of the things listed. The reality is that in some ways, the people of Cbus are behind the times. Things are changing for the better, but there is a long way to go. Unfortunate, but true. 

 

I think in this particular case, we have to look at the improvement over what was originally planned and decide it is half a victory, rather than half of a defeat-at least until the city (and the residents) get their crap together when it comes to zoning, and what will be accepted in certain areas. It sucks but seems to be the way it is in Cbus right now.

JMHO

I don't feel that the citizens of Columbus are opposed to rail transit or bus system improvements at all. The few that are against it can be noisy but it's nothing as compared to say, Cincinnati. But the apathy towards transit and city politics in general in this city is totally out of control.

16 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

I don't feel that the citizens of Columbus are opposed to rail transit or bus system improvements at all. The few that are against it can be noisy but it's nothing as compared to say, Cincinnati. But the apathy towards transit and city politics in general in this city is totally out of control.

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But the apathy towards transit and city politics in general in this city is totally out of control.

This is Cbus in a nutshell. Apathy is just as bad as opposition, because apathy is defeated by a small number of noisy opponents. We need at least a YIMBY for every NIMBY, and we don't have that. Is it the relative transient nature of Cbus residents?(not coming from here, not invested in the city, etc.?)

 

And despite everything Cincy has a streetcar(even if it is problematic)...they got it. We don't have anything but a bus system that needs to be brought into this century-and nobody is really pushing that here either. We get just bits of this or that in Linden, etc.-but there is no plan for a comprehensive overall and modernization. The best thing going is the Cbus passes for downtown, but for that to really take off we need STATE workers to be included-now that might make a bigger difference at least in downtown. That is one example of forward thinking, but the whole bus system needs to be overhauled-we need that kind of forward thinking for the whole system. 

 

We need to not only improve the system, but to give incentives for using it and advertising it to change some attitudes many people in Central Ohio have about public transit.

 

 

* I live outside Cbus and the bus system, but if I lived within the core city, and as someone who does not want to use public transit because every time I have used it I have had a negative experience, I would want someone to change my mind and to get me to give it another try.  If I did live in Cbus, I might just do that.  They need to speak to the people who have no choice and have to use it, and to the people who are at least willing to maybe give it another chance. And also to the rest, explain how other people using it will mean less cars for them to deal with. I don't see any of this really happening, do you?

Edited March 11, 20196 yr by Toddguy

4 hours ago, Toddguy said:

  Like most things, it is all about the benjamins(no Jewish slur intended).

 

Wait what?! The term all about the Benjamin's exists because Benjamin Franklin is on the $100 bill... 

Edited March 11, 20196 yr by cityscapes

20 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

this was a reference to something that was in the current events section.

https://forum.urbanohio.com/topic/15942-racism/page/60/

I said the same thing. But using a dollar sign ($) instead of an "S" when referencing someone who has Jewish parentage (Tom $teyer) is shaky to me. See that thread. It is all in there(if it was not cleared up and deleted.) What I added was for those who saw the ridiculousness in that thread. Guess I should have referenced that thread in the post. 

 

Edited March 11, 20196 yr by Toddguy

11 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Okay, but it's a lot different to say they can't rather than just not wanting to spend the money to do so.  Also, they spent a bunch of money already remediating the entire site, so I'm not sure that's really the story, either.

Wagenbrenner is accustomed to building on re-mediated sites, it's their thing. (Harrison West, Jeffrey site, Columbus Coated Fabrics site...) As Toddguy mentioned, it comes down to the return the developer thinks they can get. 

2 hours ago, Pablo said:

Wagenbrenner is accustomed to building on re-mediated sites, it's their thing. (Harrison West, Jeffrey site, Columbus Coated Fabrics site...) As Toddguy mentioned, it comes down to the return the developer thinks they can get. 

 

We don't know that's the actual reason, though.  Clearly they thought it had enough a return to do it on part of the old landfill. 

Grandview Crossing construction will start over the summer

 

 

"Work is scheduled to begin this summer on Grandview Crossing, the 56-acre development at Grandview Avenue and Dublin Road that’s been on the drawing board more than seven years.

 

Wagenbrenner Development will start work on the first phase of the $300-million project in June or July, said Eric Wagenbrenner, vice president of the development company.

 

When completed, Grandview Crossing is expected to include 800 apartments and condominiums (including some affordable units), a 180-unit senior living facility, a 120-room hotel, a 3-acre park, more than 250,000 square feet of offices, a fitness center, a parking garage and about 100,000 square feet of retail space, including multiple restaurants.

 

The first phase will include the senior facility, the hotel, a 125,000-square-foot office building, a garage with more than 675 spaces, 315 apartments in four buildings and more than 25,000 square feet of retail space. That phase is expected to be completed late next spring or early summer, with the entire development completed within five years, Wagenbrenner said."

 

https://www.dispatch.com/business/20190405/grandview-crossing-construction-will-start-over-summer

Grandview funeral home on track for demolition to make way for condos

 

 

The plan to redevelop the Deyo-Davis Funeral Home site in Grandview Heights could be moving to the starting line.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/05/02/grandview-funeral-home-on-track-for-demolition-to.html

https://www.thisweeknews.com/news/20190401/grandview-heights-schools-revamped-building-plans-presented

 

In November, Grandview Heights voters approved a $55.2 million bond issue to fund the construction of the new grades 4-8 school and major renovations to the high school.  Now, Grandview Heights school officials are presented the building plans for that project.

 

The new grades 4-8 building will be constructed in the existing open space between Grandview Heights High School and the Edison/Larson school building.  The new school building will be constructed before the high school renovations.  After that building is completed, high school students will move into the new school temporarily while their school is renovated.

 

The current Edison/Larson building will remain in operation throughout the project.  That building and the kindergarten annex building located opposite the school off West First Avenue will be demolished as the project’s final component.

^ Here are some visuals of this Grandview Heights school building project from a school district presentation shown at https://www.thisweeknews.com/assets/pdf/OH3114741.PDF

 

An aerial overview of the Grandview Heights High School building, the Edison/Larson building and the kindergarten annex building located between 1st Avenue and 3rd Avenue.  The high school football field is also visible north of 3rd Avenue in this aerial:

 

The Grandview Heights High School building opened in 1923.  This is a view of its front entrance from 3rd Avenue:

 

 

Overview of the school buildings involved in this construction project:

 

 

Overview of the new construction and renovation involved in this project:

 

 

 

Overview of the building massing after the new grades 4-8 (middle school) building is finished and the existing Edison/Larson building and the kindergarten annex building are demolished:

 

 

 

Site plan of the area between 1st Avenue and 3rd Avenue after the new grades 4-8 building is finished and the existing Edison/Larson building and the kindergarten annex building are demolished.  This option would reopen Fairview Avenue, which is currently blocked off midway between 1st and 3rd:

^ More about the Grandview Heights Schools facilities project from ThisWeekNews:

 

https://www.thisweeknews.com/news/20190520/specifics-of-grandview-heights-schools-project-crystallizing

With the income tax revenue rolling in from NRI's Grandview Yard development, Grandview Heights Schools isn't the only public entity going on a building spree.  The City of Grandview Heights is planning a major upgrade to their facilities as well:

 

Plan prescribes rearranging of Grandview city buildings

 

The draft of Grandview Heights’ “civic spaces and places” study suggests the planned relocation later this year of the city’s service department and parks maintenance division would be only the first step in a reshuffling of city facility sites.  Details of the study and the community plan update that are part of the city’s 'Growing on Tradition' strategic-planning process. ... The spaces and places plan is a review of city facilities and land to help determine how those components can best and most effectively be used, said Patrik Bowman, the city’s director of administration and economic development.  

 

Among the recommendations presented by the spaces and places steering committee is that the city’s municipal offices -- including the administration, finance department and the police and fire departments -- should be moved from their current location at the top of the Grandview Avenue hill at 1016 Grandview Ave. to the soon-to-be-vacated 2 acres at the southeast corner of Goodale Boulevard and Grandview Avenue, where the service department and parks maintenance facilities now sit.  “It’s a site that can serve as a gateway to the community,” Bowman said.

 

Construction of the new service department and park maintenance site on McKinley Avenue in Columbus is underway and is on schedule, Mayor Ray DeGraw said in his State of the City address March 12.  The city plans to dedicate the new service facility before the end of the year.

 

MORE:  https://www.thisweeknews.com/news/20190318/plan-prescribes-rearranging-of-grandview-city-buildings

^ Here are some of the visuals of Grandview Heights’ “civic spaces and places” study from https://www.grandviewheights.org/DocumentCenter/View/3515/02232019_Grandview-Final-Report

 

The first step of this overall facilities plan is moving the existing service department and parks maintenance facility from the southeast corner of Grandview Avenue and Goodale Boulevard to 1260 McKinley Avenue.  Although this McKinley Avenue site is located outside of the Grandview city limits, it is less than a mile south of the existing location at Grandview & Goodale.  It is also easily accessible to Grandview Avenue and rest of the city.  The major advantage to moving the service facility to this site outside of Grandview is that it's a much larger site than what is available within the land-locked inner-city suburb.  Below is a location map showing the existing and future locations of Grandview's service facility.  More about the new service facility at https://www.thisweeknews.com/news/20190603/grandview-heights-new-service-building-rises-outside-city

 

 

Here is a map showing the current layout of Grandview's existing Municipal Center next to Wyman Woods and the existing Public Service Center at the southeast corner of Grandview Avenue and Goodale Boulevard:

 

Here is a closer view of the southeast corner of Grandview Avenue and Goodale Boulevard, where the new Municipal Campus is proposed:

 

 

Here are the proposed recommendations for the new Municipal Campus at corner of Grandview & Goodale - and proposed site plan for recreation facilities on Wyman Woods to the north and Wallace Gardens to the west:

 

Here is a closeup site plan of the proposed municipal campus at the southeast corner of Grandview Avenue and Goodale Bouelvard:

 

 

Here is a rendering of the proposed municipal campus at the southeast corner of Grandview & Goodale and a view of the proposed gateway green space that spans Grandview Avenue:

^^^I didn't know this was happening. I'm legitimately surprised they can even put something like this outside of the city limits.

It goes on more than you would think. There's some township hall located in the city of Lancaster that is 100 percent outside of the township.

Edited June 24, 20195 yr by GCrites80s

UA's service center is on Roberts Road

First set of Grandview Crossing buildings approved for construction

 

Heavy construction will soon begin at the corner of Dublin Road and Grandview Avenue.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/09/25/first-set-of-grandview-crossing-buildings-approved.html

 

The whole plan:

 

http://www.new-avenue.net/Projects/Projects/Multi-Family/Grandview-Crossing-(Mixed-Use-Development)

It's so "back-heavy".

45 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

It's so "back-heavy".

 

I would think for good reason, 33 is a heavily traveled road and dirty.  Probably best for all parties involved and fits the mold for the area.  Not really a need for heavy urbanism in this area yet and the outlots seem big enough to make that change if necessary in the future. 

On 11/8/2019 at 5:01 PM, wpcc88 said:

The whole plan:

 

http://www.new-avenue.net/Projects/Projects/Multi-Family/Grandview-Crossing-(Mixed-Use-Development)

With this work and some of the work they will do at founders park, new avenue is underwhelming.

On 11/8/2019 at 5:03 PM, GCrites80s said:

It's so "back-heavy".

 

The final site plan is designed to keep the majority of the dense development off of the former landfill. The landfill was located up along SR-33 with the back portion being traditional "brown-field" redevelopment. In addition to that the denser development is located within City of Columbus Municipal boundaries (abatements possibly) while the lower density souther and western portion falls within Grandview Heights.  

 

 

A new mix use building is being proposed at 1229 Grandview Ave. It will replace two house that site between one story commercial properties near the Grandview Theater. I really like how it looks and think it'll enhance the area ... but then again I don't live behind it. It looks like it basically sits on the property lines with the houses behind it and will balconies overlooking their backyards.

 

Here's some of the details -

• 4 stories, 1st floor commercial/retail and parking garage
• 29 residential units, ~1500sf of commercial/retail on ground floor.
• 46 parking spots using a lifts. I believe Carlyle Watch mix-use project downtown (2007) used something similar. 
• According the documents filled with the city Grandview Heights, they are trying to make some of the units more "affordable". 
• The lots are already zoned commercial
   

As expected, the residents are enraged - particularly those who live on Broadview Ave. NIMBY's are in full effect!

 

Here's the document that was filed with city - https://www.grandviewheights.org/DocumentCenter/View/4166/PCCase10-20191229-1237GrandviewAveAppDwgs. They are also requesting a couple of variances, see below -

 

I'm optimistic that the developer and residents/city can come together for a reasonable agreement. But then again seeing the Grandview facebook group ... I'm doubtful ?

Edited November 21, 20195 yr by futureman

Shut up Broadview (used to live on that street). All of us know that we live there BECAUSE of the businesses in the vicinity. We could all go live in Hillard for half as much any time if we wanted to be surrounded by nothing but houses for miles.

4 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

Shut up Broadview (used to live on that street). All of us know that we live there BECAUSE of the businesses in the vicinity. We could all go live in Hillard for half as much any time if we wanted to be surrounded by nothing but houses for miles.

 

They clearly have never crossed 3rd on their own street.  

And more on that...

 

4-story mixed-use development proposed for Grandview Avenue site

 

 

The land is now occupied by two older houses, which are mostly surrounded by one-story commercial buildings.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/11/22/4-story-mixed-use-development-proposed-for.html

 

On 11/18/2019 at 1:32 PM, DevolsDance said:

 

The final site plan is designed to keep the majority of the dense development off of the former landfill. The landfill was located up along SR-33 with the back portion being traditional "brown-field" redevelopment. In addition to that the denser development is located within City of Columbus Municipal boundaries (abatements possibly) while the lower density souther and western portion falls within Grandview Heights.  

 

Yeah I forgot about keeping the denser stuff off the former landfill. I remember it being discussed before either here or at CU.

https://www.thisweeknews.com/news/20191125/neighbors-deem-proposed-grandview-avenue-building-grotesque

 

These people are ridiculous. This article could easily be titled "Grandview residents shocked to learn they don't live in quaint English village".  

2 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

https://www.thisweeknews.com/news/20191125/neighbors-deem-proposed-grandview-avenue-building-grotesque

 

These people are ridiculous. This article could easily be titled "Grandview residents shocked to learn they don't live in quaint English village".  

“Playing in a solar eclipse” is truly a stretch.

I find it hard to believe that residents who purchased homes in Grandview 10 years ago did so without the belief that the popularity of the area would drive up the value of their homes. This is simply a byproduct of that popularity.. also, the byproduct of choosing a property that is adjacent to Grandview Avenue. That strip has been adding larger buildings pretty steadily. Saying this development is “unprecedented” is unbelievable.

Similar building across the street already and has been for at least 10 years

2 hours ago, NightNectar said:

“Playing in a solar eclipse” is truly a stretch.

I find it hard to believe that residents who purchased homes in Grandview 10 years ago did so without the belief that the popularity of the area would drive up the value of their homes. This is simply a byproduct of that popularity.. also, the byproduct of choosing a property that is adjacent to Grandview Avenue. That strip has been adding larger buildings pretty steadily. Saying this development is “unprecedented” is unbelievable.

 

The proposal apparently adheres to the existing zoning that encourages exactly this type of project.  The only thing missing from that article was a "We're not New York City!"

20 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

The proposal apparently adheres to the existing zoning that encourages exactly this type of project.  The only thing missing from that article was a "We're not New York City!"

 

Oh trust me, the "We're not new York City" was brought up in Grandview Facebook group. They are also very dismissive of the whole parking lift system proposed, IMO the fact they were able to fit 46 parking spots should a positive not a negative. But again, I don't' think there is any appeasing the group who is against it. They will be against anything that is different and cherry pick facts to support their opinion. 

 

Here's my prediction -

• Reduced to three stories
• Building will be moved back from the property lines to residential neighbors behind. Maybe a do a small surface lot for a buffer
• Remove balconies facing the residential neighbors behind

 

Across the street where those two four unit condos are, wasn't there large development proposed there back in 2006 or 2007? I thought it was going to be 7 stories and cleared all of zoning board meetings, but then 2008 recession hit and killed the project. Anyone else remember this or have link to back it up?

 

^ Seven stories? That would bring the "Oh Mah Gawd!-our poor little rural hamlet!!!- We are all gonna be living on top of each other like it is Hong Kong!!!!  Like Sardines in tins!

Gotta say I enjoyed this article! However, my fellow Grandview residents did not ... the facebook comments are remarkable!

 

Creeping Suburbia: Grandview Heights Residents Shocked They Do Not Live In Thomas Kinkade Painting

By Jon Seymour / Creeping Suburbia

https://www.columbusnavigator.com/

 

 

While I usually go after developers for the poor quality of their projects, or city leadership that rolls over in approval for every mediocre, limited-scope proposal while the city’s housing shortage crisis grows, I have only rarely touched on the phenomenon known as “Not-in-my-backyard”, or NIMBY.

 

This concept is based around residents of a region, city or neighborhood fighting against development. Their reasoning for fighting it runs the gamut of fact-based and reasonable, to off-the-wall insanity, but almost all of it tends to boil down to strong antipathy towards change.

 

Read More - https://www.columbusnavigator.com/creeping-suburbia-grandview-height/

Edited January 7, 20205 yr by futureman

They can come on down and join me in Olde Groveport if they don't want mixed use! My Grandview to Groveport move saved me tons of money, that's for sure. Of course the only bar is Harley-themed, there sure isn't a Spagio or Z Cucina. No Oileire either, but there is a Dairy Queen.

The thing that bugged me about the article are the references to taller new-builds. There's a photo of the building at 3rd and Grandview. Those are all within the City of Columbus. Grandveiw Hgts begins at the first alley south of 3rd (for the most part). There's room on the Columbus portion of Grandview Ave for increase density for sure.

1 hour ago, Pablo said:

The thing that bugged me about the article are the references to taller new-builds. There's a photo of the building at 3rd and Grandview. Those are all within the City of Columbus. Grandveiw Hgts begins at the first alley south of 3rd (for the most part). There's room on the Columbus portion of Grandview Ave for increase density for sure.

 

While the reference may have been off, I think his argument still stands. The buildings referenced are for all intents and purposes in Grandview, in most visitors and residents minds it is in Grandview as well (its all even marketed as Grandview... by Grandview themselves https://www.destinationgrandview.org/ ). I get what you're saying but being that they are less than two blocks from the proposed project and align perfectly with Grandview's own zoning and  land use, I would argue it still is valid/allowed. Sure he should update the article (he still may), but I am not convinced it invalidates the article or reference points in any way. 

 

Regarding the article itself, I love it and want more like this. The residents in these areas need to be called out for their hypocrisy and NIMBYism. Look, these people move to these areas because of the value and amenities then lose their collective minds when someone tries to do the same... sorry no, it's ridiculous. If you're not growing, you're dying and if you wanted quaint small town vibes with no threat of progress then the city was not the right choice for you. 

 

4 hours ago, Pablo said:

The thing that bugged me about the article are the references to taller new-builds. There's a photo of the building at 3rd and Grandview. Those are all within the City of Columbus. Grandveiw Hgts begins at the first alley south of 3rd (for the most part). There's room on the Columbus portion of Grandview Ave for increase density for sure.

 

It's literally on the line, but Grandview residents argued against that project too, so they certainly view it as part of Grandview, similarly to how most people see High Street as part of German Village even though it technically not.  Obviously this would have an impact on what gets approved, but Grandview states in their own development plan for Grandview Avenue that they want this type of density, only to argue against it when they get those proposals.