The Cuyahoga County Auditor website should be able to tell you who owns it if you know the address.

Hi there,

 

Do you have any information on who to contact regarding the Golden Bowl/Club Corbo's, in hopes of finding out the current status of it's ownership, and generally what is going on with the place?  Hank Sciulli was/is my great uncle; it's a shame to see the beautiful restaurant and apartment on top vacant and unkempt.

Thanks.

 

I was in town last month and spent a few days down in little italy. I had lunch at Primo Vino and was talking to one of the owners about what was going on with the old Golden Bowl / Club Corbo's property. He told us that the property has been condemned and that it most likely is going to be torn down. The Corbos family owns that property still. If this is accurate, what a shame. All of those beautiful, ornate brick courtyards and stair cases are going to be turned into rubble.

 

If anything, leave all of that amazing brickwork, patios, courtyards and stairways, and incorporate that with a new structure behind. The original wood sided building in the back apparently had a fire at one point and it all looks boarded up--windows covered-- even the front door, facing the parking lot had a glass pane missing from the left door.

 

 

What the hell has been going on in Little Italy. Someone is vandalizing everything possible, sides of buildings, electric boxes, walls, etc with graffiti. The railroad underpass is filled with it. The cemetery wall up the hill is also tagged. It's been a problem the past month or so and I've seen it cleaned up but it keeps happening. It's been limited to those two spots but last night it appears someone walked all of mayfield and hit every flat surface including the restaurants. It just plain white or black words(including the f-word). Makes the street look like crap.

 

Did the old Golden Bowl / Club Corbos building and beautiful brick patio and archways all get torn down? Once again, i was home and visiting last summer. Wandered The Feast and the gates to the patio area were unlocked and unchained. My cousin and I went inside, took pics of the courtyard, walked all the way to the back and even walked up the spiral staircase, to look at the water and fire-damaged building that is attached.

 

As she and I were leaving, we were told that that whole structure was being torn down at the end of Aug or early Sept.

 

Did that ever happen?

 

We were also told it was being demolished so that a parking structure could be built in its place.

 

 

 

It's not gone yet. Would you mind uploading those pictures?!

Yes I will.

 

So has there been a stay in the building's execution?

 

Or is someone going to be smart and realize that that brickwork and patio area should be used for something wonderful. Not to mention the fact that to ever re-create that would cost a small fortune. AND it is stunningly beautiful.

 

I thought the days of the careless wrecking ball tearing down a cit's heritage and history were behind us. Corbos should  sell it to someone with the stipulation that (the patio at least) not be torn down. If the actual building is in really bad shape from the fire and water damage, that would be a different story.

 

Apparently not.. or at least when $ talks and no one says anything to try and stop it.  :cry:

Hi there,

 

Do you have any information on who to contact regarding the Golden Bowl/Club Corbo's, in hopes of finding out the current status of it's ownership, and generally what is going on with the place?  Hank Sciulli was/is my great uncle; it's a shame to see the beautiful restaurant and apartment on top vacant and unkempt.

Thanks.

 

When I walked to the top of the brick spiral staircase and over the small footbridge to look at that apartment area, it was a shambles up there. Doors were open, and there was debris of various kinds laying up there. The people downstairs told me NOT to walk onto the wood area outside the doors, as they were concerned I might step on a soft spot.. so i had to extend my arm to snap a couple photos of the apt doorways up there.

 

 

So has there been a stay in the building's execution?

 

Or is someone going to be smart and realize that that brickwork and patio area should be used for something wonderful. Not to mention the fact that to ever re-create that would cost a small fortune. AND it is stunningly beautiful.

 

I thought the days of the careless wrecking ball tearing down a cit's heritage and history were behind us. Corbos should  sell it to someone with the stipulation that (the patio at least) not be torn down. If the actual building is in really bad shape from the fire and water damage, that would be a different story.

 

Apparently not.. or at least when $ talks and no one says anything to try and stop it.  :cry:

 

A bunch of us moaned about this proposed demo over the summer over in the Cleveland demo thread: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,7006.1610.html

 

Not sure what became of the application. Approval of the demo application would more or less expose Cleveland's historic district laws as completely hollow, IMHO.

So has there been a stay in the building's execution?

 

Or is someone going to be smart and realize that that brickwork and patio area should be used for something wonderful. Not to mention the fact that to ever re-create that would cost a small fortune. AND it is stunningly beautiful.

 

I thought the days of the careless wrecking ball tearing down a cit's heritage and history were behind us. Corbos should  sell it to someone with the stipulation that (the patio at least) not be torn down. If the actual building is in really bad shape from the fire and water damage, that would be a different story.

 

Apparently not.. or at least when $ talks and no one says anything to try and stop it.  :cry:

 

A bunch of us moaned about this proposed demo over the summer over in the Cleveland demo thread: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,7006.1610.html

 

Not sure what became of the application. Approval of the demo application would more or less expose Cleveland's historic district laws as completely hollow, IMHO.

 

So good to know! Maybe the moaning helped keep the wrecking crew away. Little Italy is such a small area (in the big picture of the city).. to tear down these kinds of historic places and replace them with new will simply erase its foundation... making it just another generic looking neighborhood.  That structure is a commanding presence on Mayfield.

 

A multi-level parking garage would look horrific! (i know parking is a problem there..but...)

 

There are other ways to solve that issue, IMHO. The question also is: Is that structure/patio not old enough to be on some historic register? Like anything, it would have to be registered, first.. and maybe it never has been?

 

Jeff

 

 

 

 

What the hell has been going on in Little Italy. Someone is vandalizing everything possible, sides of buildings, electric boxes, walls, etc with graffiti. The railroad underpass is filled with it. The cemetery wall up the hill is also tagged. It's been a problem the past month or so and I've seen it cleaned up but it keeps happening. It's been limited to those two spots but last night it appears someone walked all of mayfield and hit every flat surface including the restaurants. It just plain white or black words(including the f-word). Makes the street look like crap.

 

 

I hate to have this comment/question overlooked. Anyone have any info?

What the hell has been going on in Little Italy. Someone is vandalizing everything possible, sides of buildings, electric boxes, walls, etc with graffiti. The railroad underpass is filled with it. The cemetery wall up the hill is also tagged. It's been a problem the past month or so and I've seen it cleaned up but it keeps happening. It's been limited to those two spots but last night it appears someone walked all of mayfield and hit every flat surface including the restaurants. It just plain white or black words(including the f-word). Makes the street look like crap.

 

This is horrible to read. I live in so CA, but I grew up in a suburb east of Cleve and Little Italy and always have enjoyed visiting, when there. I hope they catch whoever is doing this. Kids or gang members, with nothing better to do.

 

UGH!

 

:whip:

What the hell has been going on in Little Italy. Someone is vandalizing everything possible, sides of buildings, electric boxes, walls, etc with graffiti. The railroad underpass is filled with it. The cemetery wall up the hill is also tagged. It's been a problem the past month or so and I've seen it cleaned up but it keeps happening. It's been limited to those two spots but last night it appears someone walked all of mayfield and hit every flat surface including the restaurants. It just plain white or black words(including the f-word). Makes the street look like crap.

 

 

I hate to have this comment/question overlooked. Anyone have any info?

 

Some gang is trying to claim it as turf.

 

Ballsy.  Incredibly stupid, but ballsy...

What the hell has been going on in Little Italy. Someone is vandalizing everything possible, sides of buildings, electric boxes, walls, etc with graffiti. The railroad underpass is filled with it. The cemetery wall up the hill is also tagged. It's been a problem the past month or so and I've seen it cleaned up but it keeps happening. It's been limited to those two spots but last night it appears someone walked all of mayfield and hit every flat surface including the restaurants. It just plain white or black words(including the f-word). Makes the street look like crap.

 

 

I hate to have this comment/question overlooked. Anyone have any info?

 

I applaud you for trying to fix some of it, but when these types of situations happen be relentless with leadership.  They will ask for police reports, blah blah, but find your councilman and send him emails or call him and tell him/her your concerns and demand additional police presence at the time this is occurring (evening).  Stay on them.  Anymore, it is up to residents to demand action from their leaders and hold them accountable.  Remember they work for you.

What the hell has been going on in Little Italy. Someone is vandalizing everything possible, sides of buildings, electric boxes, walls, etc with graffiti. The railroad underpass is filled with it. The cemetery wall up the hill is also tagged. It's been a problem the past month or so and I've seen it cleaned up but it keeps happening. It's been limited to those two spots but last night it appears someone walked all of mayfield and hit every flat surface including the restaurants. It just plain white or black words(including the f-word). Makes the street look like crap.

 

 

I hate to have this comment/question overlooked. Anyone have any info?

 

I applaud you for trying to fix some of it, but when these types of situations happen be relentless with leadership.  They will ask for police reports, blah blah, but find your councilman and send him emails or call him and tell him/her your concerns and demand additional police presence at the time this is occurring (evening).  Stay on them.  Anymore, it is up to residents to demand action from their leaders and hold them accountable.  Remember they work for you.

 

The old timers in that neighborhood (there are still quite a few left) don't think that way.  I suspect if this goes on, we'll be hearing about some of the perps.  (Or not hearing about them...)

 

There's a couple posters here who can certainly vouch for that, or that I would defer to if they feel that's no longer the case.

^ that works too.  I could really care less how it gets resolved, as long as it does.  However, if these 80 year old Italian men arent going to take care of the business, i would expect the younger movers and shakers to step in and get some police presence. 

^ that works too.  I could really care less how it gets resolved, as long as it does.  However, if these 80 year old Italian men arent going to take care of the business, i would expect the younger movers and shakers to step in and get some police presence. 

 

The younger guys keep a lower profile, but they're around and their views "somehow" translate into reality.

The younger guys keep a lower profile, but they're around and their views "somehow" translate into reality.

 

There are some. They want to keep the neighborhood beautiful and the some of the old traditions alive, including taking care of problems outside of official (city, police, etc) channels. To run to the police would be considered a sign of weakness and would even be considered an affront to the way their parents, grandparents etc proudly took care of their own business. And to them, Little Italy is their business.

Sounds great.  Hopefully they start acting before the perps get too comfortable.

We're now hoping for some mafia-esque violence against vandals?  And we're thinking some "gang" is trying to claim LI as its "turf"?  Smdh

i have no conspiracies, im just saying make it stop.  I would make sure it stopped if it were my hood.

We're now hoping for some mafia-esque violence against vandals?  And we're thinking some "gang" is trying to claim LI as its "turf"?  Smdh

 

You're ruling this out based on what?  An upswing in an urban neighborhood may not always mean that, but that's the way to bet. 

You're ruling this out based on what? 

 

Simple common sense.

 

(a) we don't have much of a gang issue in Cleveland

(b) the gangs we do have don't have "turf" or a burning desire to "tag" their turf like you see much more commonly from West Coast gangs

© the nearest gangs to LI who would even bother themselves to think about "turf", if there are any in close proximity, are at a minimum 1 mile away in any direction

(d) Gangs claim their home turf, not some remote area in which they don't live or hang out (such as LI)

 

The way to bet on this one is some rogue 13 or 14 year old kid(s) who think of themselves as graffiti artists.  And my money would be on some local LI kid, not someone traveling in from another neighborhood.

Most of the "taggers" that have been caught were just young punks (some of them from the suburbs!) with nothing better to do than proclaim their existence on this Earth by leaving their mark on flat, visible surfaces. A few were actually 30-something-year-olds who got bored of living in their mother's basements and playing video games all the time.

Most of the "taggers" that have been caught were just young punks (some of them from the suburbs!) with nothing better to do than proclaim their existence on this Earth by leaving their mark on flat, visible surfaces. A few were actually 30-something-year-olds who got bored of living in their mother's basements and playing video games all the time.

 

True, but do those types of taggers keep returning to the same spots? 

 

Also, aren't they kind of cowardly as well as overimaginative?  One would think they wouldn't repeatedly hit LI, if so.

Most of the "taggers" that have been caught were just young punks (some of them from the suburbs!) with nothing better to do than proclaim their existence on this Earth by leaving their mark on flat, visible surfaces. A few were actually 30-something-year-olds who got bored of living in their mother's basements and playing video games all the time.

 

True, but do those types of taggers keep returning to the same spots? 

 

Also, aren't they kind of cowardly as well as overimaginative?  One would think they wouldn't repeatedly hit LI, if so.

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,8812.msg218523.html#msg218523

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,16349.msg292179.html#msg292179

 

Thanks JJ..... that HEK thing was on the tip of my tongue, but I just couldn't recall the specifics.  But yep.... that's about what I'm imagining is going on here.

I remember the tagger HEK getting arrested but then walking free since the city didn't produce enough evidence against him. I think he was a suburbanite as well. Hes got a pair doing that in LI though, I must say.

I remember the tagger HEK getting arrested but then walking free since the city didn't produce enough evidence against him. I think he was a suburbanite as well. Hes got a pair doing that in LI though, I must say.

 

Correct...

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/04/police_tag_two_as_felons_judge.html

 

Crazy that the article never mentions the race of the offenders. ;)

 

Also, Peek and Chang are getting off easy, as one got off early even after violating terms of his probation, and the other has repeatedly violated terms of his probation and keeps getting another chance from the judge.

I remember the tagger HEK getting arrested but then walking free since the city didn't produce enough evidence against him. I think he was a suburbanite as well. Hes got a pair doing that in LI though, I must say.

 

Are the tags saying "HEK"?

 

That last part's  my point...I don't see bored suburban kids having the testicular fortitude to do this in LI.  Especially this prolifically.  A stupid but ambitious street gang is more likely. 

I remember the tagger HEK getting arrested but then walking free since the city didn't produce enough evidence against him. I think he was a suburbanite as well. Hes got a pair doing that in LI though, I must say.

 

Are the tags saying "HEK"?

 

That last part's  my point...I don't see bored suburban kids having the testicular fortitude to do this in LI.  Especially this prolifically.  A stupid but ambitious street gang is more likely. 

 

Peek and Chang were caught for tagging Ohio City, and specifically they were caught on camera tagging Great Lakes Brewery.  Patrick Conway even testified against them.  I don't see why you would doubt the testicular fortitude and/or stupidity of bored suburban kids.

The possibilities are hardly limited to street gang and suburban kid.  But, regardless of whoever it is, I HIGHLY doubt that some unrealized fear of LI is factoring into their mind.  I know when I was in high school there was a general conception that certain people were not welcome in LI, but it wasn't like anyone was actually scared of what might happen to them if they did go down there. It ain't the 60's anymore

^Exactly what I was going to say. I'd guess that today's kids, especially white suburban kids, are much less aware of LI's antiquated reputation for "toughness" than erocc assumes.  FFS, there are interracial gay couples looking for apartments now in LI (per another thread). A lot has changed, and definitely for the better, IMHO.

I the toughness Little Italy doesn't really exist. Th majority of the residents are young and don't have those same feelings. Most are renters either going to case or work nearby. A decent portion is Asian.

 

I think Little Italy's history worked out for it though. It survived some terrible times in Cleveland and didn't lose it's identity(very rare for Cleveland). It has escaped demolition and abandonment, something the majority of Cleveland failed to do. Today it one of the most lively parts of the city.

Its hard for me to say, but Little Italy's tough reputation (deserved or not) saved it. But lest you all think this is about keeping African-Americans out, it goes beyond that. I grew up in the Hillcrest area in the 1970s during the bombing wars with Danny Greene and my Italian classmates weren't allowed by their parents to go to Little Italy. Ironically, there were just as many bombings and hits carried out in the suburbs as there were in Little Italy and Collinwood, perhaps more. But Little Italy's reputation kept most people out, including suburban Italians. That reputation lasted well past the 1970s bombing wars, when a friend of mine went to CWRU and briefly lived in Little Italy. He moved out when a bullet struck his apartment-house. Twenty years later when I was looking for a place to live, I asked that friend about living in Little Italy. He strongly urged I look elsewhere for my urban fix, and shared his bullet story. I told him there are Porsches and BMWs parked on Murrary Hill nowadays (in the 1990s). But he urged me to get my urban fix in Lakewood. I obviously listened to him! A part of me regrets not moving to Little Italy. I could have bought a house for a lot less money back then....

^interesting story. Its amazing how much times have changed. Today, that is all but gone. I have never once, at any time, or any side street felt unsafe or threatened in Little Italy. It's location is awesome, it's active, and always has a very safe vibe. My favorite is passing by at anytime and Prestis always seems to be packed! Day or night, any day of the week. I also like seeing the playground/park full during the summer, even around 9pm. It's nice seeing families enjoy an urban neighborhood. Makes it feel like more of a fully functional neighborhood.

I think I've posted this before, but in case not, folks might be interested in this highly readable academic journal article about Little Italy during the Hough Riots: http://academic.csuohio.edu/tebeaum/courses/local/michney.pdf

Its hard for me to say, but Little Italy's tough reputation (deserved or not) saved it. But lest you all think this is about keeping African-Americans out, it goes beyond that. I grew up in the Hillcrest area in the 1970s during the bombing wars with Danny Greene and my Italian classmates weren't allowed by their parents to go to Little Italy. Ironically, there were just as many bombings and hits carried out in the suburbs as there were in Little Italy and Collinwood, perhaps more. But Little Italy's reputation kept most people out, including suburban Italians. That reputation lasted well past the 1970s bombing wars, when a friend of mine went to CWRU and briefly lived in Little Italy. He moved out when a bullet struck his apartment-house. Twenty years later when I was looking for a place to live, I asked that friend about living in Little Italy. He strongly urged I look elsewhere for my urban fix, and shared his bullet story. I told him there are Porsches and BMWs parked on Murrary Hill nowadays (in the 1990s). But he urged me to get my urban fix in Lakewood. I obviously listened to him! A part of me regrets not moving to Little Italy. I could have bought a house for a lot less money back then....

 

I've said this before....the last of Cleveland's ethnic neighborhoods to maintain its character did so in large part because of it's politically incorrect reputation.

 

It continues, to a point, to this day.  Unless it's changed a lot during the last four years, it remains a disproportionately white crowd, and while certainly there are black people there, you don't see the packs of foolish (and sometimes threateningly acting) black teens that are a staple at pretty much every other urban or eastern inner ring suburban festival or public event.  It's also the one prominent event that hasn't been marred by the kind of crap that killed the Coventry Street Festival and caused the Polish parade to move to Parma. 

 

Nevertheless, the bulk of LI's "protection" these days comes from UC and the arts community.

 

Edit:  Argh, I was talking about the Feast of the Assumption above.

Safest neighborhood in the city without question and has been for decades. Say what you will about racist this and vigilante that, but there's a reason the Glenville and Hough riots didn't expand to Little Italy. And there's a reason the Feast of Assumption hasn't gone the route of fairs at 185th, Garfield Hts, BP/flats fest, Coventry fair, etc.

I think I've posted this before, but in case not, folks might be interested in this highly readable academic journal article about Little Italy during the Hough Riots: http://academic.csuohio.edu/tebeaum/courses/local/michney.pdf

 

Strap, that was fascinating.  Thanks for posting it!

Safest neighborhood in the city without question

 

Presently, maybe so.  But not historically and certainly not historically (or presently, if you believe E Rocc's assessment) for certain large segments of the city's population.

Little Italy is truly a model in building a vibrant urban neighborhood. Segregation enforced by organized crime syndicates is a proven strategy and I have no idea why it isn't employed in all of our neighborhoods and cities across the country.

Safest neighborhood in the city without question

 

Presently, maybe so.  But not historically and certainly not historically (or presently, if you believe E Rocc's assessment) for certain large segments of the city's population.

 

Oh granted there have been what can politely be called ethnic differences in relative safety. These days it's more behavioral related (to a degree it was even then).  Black families at the Feast do not get treated any differently as far as I know, packs of loud rowdy teens do.

 

When I was living at CWRU, some of the mixed race dorm floors had a division of duties of sorts:  the white kids got the pizza, the black kids got the McDonald's.

Little Italy is truly a model in building a vibrant urban neighborhood. Segregation enforced by organized crime syndicates is a proven strategy and I have no idea why it isn't employed in all of our neighborhoods and cities across the country.

 

Ha ha, are you Ken Lanci?

I've said this before....the last of Cleveland's ethnic neighborhoods to maintain its character did so in large part because of it's politically incorrect reputation.

 

 

There are "new" ethnic neighborhoods however -- Little Puerto Rico, Asiatown (which actually started before the Great Depression) and Little Arabia. If you don't know where Little Arabia is, Google "Cleveland Little Arabia."

 

Little Italy is truly a model in building a vibrant urban neighborhood. Segregation enforced by organized crime syndicates is a proven strategy and I have no idea why it isn't employed in all of our neighborhoods and cities across the country.

 

Ha ha, are you Ken Lanci?

 

Oy.....

Drove through here last night - the demolition of Corbo's appears to have started yesterday

I know this is not the right thread but...does anyone have any news of Cleveland's Villa Hispana/Little Puerto Rico?  I've spoken to a few people who were tangentially related to the project and no one could definitively say it was moving forward.  I think it was said to be centered at W. 25th & Clark.

 

(Note: I looked for an existing thread on this but couldn't find it - not to say it doesn't exist)

Today it is completely fine for blacks to go and eat in Little Italy.  I think the biggest difference is that Little Italy, because of its past, or because it's makeup of things to do, is not a hangout for bored teens or thugs. Might be a little bit of both but who knows. There might be a few old landlords who care, but they hardly matter in the big picture. The large majority of the residents don't care and probably know nothing about that part of the neighborhoods history. The restaurants don't care either. I think the biggest reason Little Italy has low crime is because it is extremely active, full of families, and isn't full of bars.

I've said this before....the last of Cleveland's ethnic neighborhoods to maintain its character did so in large part because of it's politically incorrect reputation.

 

 

There are "new" ethnic neighborhoods however -- Little Puerto Rico, Asiatown (which actually started before the Great Depression) and Little Arabia. If you don't know where Little Arabia is, Google "Cleveland Little Arabia."

 

My niece lives near W. 132nd and Lorain so Google is not necessary in this case.  :)

 

I was actually damned glad to see them move into the area.  Since I went to an engineering school, I don't buy the stereotypes.   

I know this is not the right thread but...does anyone have any news of Cleveland's Villa Hispana/Little Puerto Rico?  I've spoken to a few people who were tangentially related to the project and no one could definitively say it was moving forward.  I think it was said to be centered at W. 25th & Clark.

 

(Note: I looked for an existing thread on this but couldn't find it - not to say it doesn't exist)

 

Why yes we do!

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,28848.0.html

 

OK, I just created it. :)

^ Awesome - thanks!