Earlier from Bridge Park

 

 

 

 

21 hours ago, CbusOrBust said:

 

Earlier from Bridge Park

 

 

 

 

Testament to the good construction quality at Bridge Park. My friend just moved into a ground floor apartment literally right across the street from your last picture. You can barely hear anything happening outside and the windows are actually tinted a bit so it's tough to see in from the streets unless you press your face up against the window. Cars are probably 15ft away (granted this isn't a busy street in BP as there is no retail on it) from where I was sitting on his couch and you could not hear them.

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Crawford Hoying just posted some updated construction pics on their LinkedIn profile.

2 hours ago, Ginger Planner said:

Crawford Hoying just posted some updated construction pics on their LinkedIn profile.

Ugh I hate that building in the back. Bridge park messed up with those weird white townhomes - just out of place and doesn't make sense

19 hours ago, columbus17 said:

Ugh I hate that building in the back. Bridge park messed up with those weird white townhomes - just out of place and doesn't make sense

These? I kinda like them, they are funky and a little different. Interestingly, they were featured on an episode of House Hunters.

41 minutes ago, Ginger Planner said:

These? I kinda like them, they are funky and a little different. Interestingly, they were featured on an episode of House Hunters.

They're completely out of place though in Bridge Park - up by Tuller these are fine. The approach of moving away from first floor commercial is a missed opportunity

17 minutes ago, columbus17 said:

They're completely out of place though in Bridge Park - up by Tuller these are fine. The approach of moving away from first floor commercial is a missed opportunity

I think the original idea was that most of the ground floor retail was to be concentrated along Riverside, Longstore, and Bridge Park Ave and this acts as a transition into a more residential area similar to how there is little to know ground floor commercial along Kern or Park even though it is one block from High Street in the short north. There seems to be a desire to cluster commercial uses into nodes or corridors while allowing these secondary areas to act as more residential neighborhood streets. You will notice that there is ground floor residential across the street from this in the new buildings going up. There is a lot of ground floor commercial in the area and I am not sure Bridge Park will every be dense enough to justify the demand for ground floor retail along all streets, the demand just will not be there. Even looking at similar but even more dense locations like Roslyn or Courthouse in Northern Virginia shows that there is a limit to retail demand even in those types of locations. Also, this are was zoned specifically to be a town center style development so the rest of the Bridge Street District may be less dense and incorporate more ground level residential. Even with the current density there are still vacancies in some of the storefronts. Thats how I see the area developing from my point of view, I may be wrong but thats just going off of what I know from the intent of the district and current development trends nationally. I could end up being completely wrong though! :)

14 hours ago, columbus17 said:

They're completely out of place though in Bridge Park - up by Tuller these are fine. The approach of moving away from first floor commercial is a missed opportunity

They wanted to create an urban walkable community. In no way does that mean every single building must have ground floor retail. Having some streets be more residential is absolutely the best move. Even in places like NYC they have streets with no retail and low traffic volume on them to keep the street noise to low volumes. It's pretty cool to go from a hustling and bustling busy city street with shops, restaurants, grocery stores, train stations etc and then head a few blocks away from that onto quiet residential streets. You get the benefit of being a short walk from all the action while also not having a bunch of drunk people spilling out into the streets every night on the road below your windows.

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23 hours ago, Ginger Planner said:

I am not sure Bridge Park will every be dense enough to justify the demand for ground floor retail along all streets, the demand just will not be there. 

I agree with your larger point around not every street needing to be fully of commercial activity. However, I think Bridge Park is unique where it's such a destination that it doesn't need self contained density to support its commercial spaces. They understood that when they added all those parking garages into the plans. Honestly, I've never once had an issue parking there and despite being physically closer to the short north I can't think of the last time I was down there but I was at Bridge Park just this past weekend and I feel like every work happy hour or meet up has been there. It's just so much easier for people to get in and out of that I think the visitor traffic can help it support much more commercial sq footage than you'd typically expect. 

The depressing reality that indeed, the carbon copy of everything cool in the urban core has in fact pulled even the urban core residents to it for the convenience of things such as parking or less 'less desirable' interactions (not you saying that. Others I've heard saying how much better bridge park is because there's no homeless people).  In the meantime, parking troubles in the Short North is so 2013 but we will hear about it forever.  

 

Bridge park is fine. There's definitely some missed opportunities, some more glaring than others, to make it better but for urbanizing a suburb, it's a pretty good example. 

12 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

Others I've heard saying how much better bridge park is because there's no homeless people

 

It's not the mere presence of homeless people that makes other people feel uncomfortable in the SN. It's how aggressive the homeless people in the SN are toward people in the SN. It's a real problem.

25 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

It's not the mere presence of homeless people that makes other people feel uncomfortable in the SN. It's how aggressive the homeless people in the SN are toward people in the SN. It's a real problem.

I am in the short north often and have never had a homeless person act aggressively towards my wife or I. I think a lot of people are just scared when anyone approaches them. 
 

I get that I am a small sample, but I have never heard of that being a problem among my friend group either.  

Edited August 30, 20222 yr by VintageLife

12 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

I am in the short north often and have never had a homeless person act aggressively towards my wife or I. I think a lot of people are just scared when anyone approaches them. 
 

I get that I am a small sample, but I have never heard of that being a problem among my friend group either.  

 

It happens regularly to me and I've heard the same thing from many others, so you are apparently in the very small minority. It doesn't scare me, but it's not a pleasant experience, especially when it's someone on drugs or with mental issues who is acting erratically. One homeless man did attempt to grab my wife's arm one evening but I was able to pull her to the other side of me quick enough to keep it from happening. 

Annectodtally, I travel alot for work and subsequently do a fair bit of urban exploring and I will be honest and say that the homeless in Columbus are more, I'll say interactive, and occasionally aggressive than any other city I've spent time in.  This is not to say I've ever been in fear or it detracts me from my favorite areas of Columbus but there is a signigicantly notable difference. 

1 hour ago, cbussoccer said:

 

It's not the mere presence of homeless people that makes other people feel uncomfortable in the SN. It's how aggressive the homeless people in the SN are toward people in the SN. It's a real problem.

 

Chances are, some of those people aren't actually homeless.  It seems a lot of street panhandlers aren't. Either way, though, there are ways to address homelessness without either abandoning the city or tearing down their camps to just move the problem to another neighborhood- or arresting their advocates, for that matter. I really despise the way American society treats these people.  One of the richest nations in human history can't figure out a humane way to deal with people who have been destroyed by so many flawed systems.

5 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

Chances are, some of those people aren't actually homeless.  It seems a lot of street panhandlers aren't.

 

Whoever they are, they create a lot of unpleasant experiences for people visiting the Short North. 

Crawford Hoying details Bridge Park's newest development featuring residential, commercial and office space
 

 

“Crawford Hoying continues to add new housing and amenities at Dublin's Bridge Park, announcing this week the construction of dozens of condo units along with additional commercial, office and green space. 

 

The Dublin-based company, which is behind the massive mixed-use development, said it is bringing 86 high-end condo flats to the area. Construction is underway and the project is expected to be completed in late summer 2023.

 

The condos in "The Theodore" will be a mix of studio apartments, as well as one-, two- and three-bedroom units ranging from 515 square feet to nearly 1,400 square feet. The development also will include an attached parking garage and a swimming pool/amenity deck. Crawford Hoying says half the units have been pre-sold. The starting price is $185,000.

 

The Theodore is located in the newest block of the Bridge Park development, just southeast of the North Market between Mooney Street and Dale Drive. Along with The Theodore, Bridge Park's newest block will offer ground-floor retail or restaurant space, covered parking garage, public green space/park and office space.“

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/09/01/new-crawford-hoying-development-bridge-park-dublin.html

14 minutes ago, amped91 said:

Crawford Hoying details Bridge Park's newest development featuring residential, commercial and office space
 

 

“Crawford Hoying continues to add new housing and amenities at Dublin's Bridge Park, announcing this week the construction of dozens of condo units along with additional commercial, office and green space. 

 

The Dublin-based company, which is behind the massive mixed-use development, said it is bringing 86 high-end condo flats to the area. Construction is underway and the project is expected to be completed in late summer 2023.

 

The condos in "The Theodore" will be a mix of studio apartments, as well as one-, two- and three-bedroom units ranging from 515 square feet to nearly 1,400 square feet. The development also will include an attached parking garage and a swimming pool/amenity deck. Crawford Hoying says half the units have been pre-sold. The starting price is $185,000.

 

The Theodore is located in the newest block of the Bridge Park development, just southeast of the North Market between Mooney Street and Dale Drive. Along with The Theodore, Bridge Park's newest block will offer ground-floor retail or restaurant space, covered parking garage, public green space/park and office space.“

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/09/01/new-crawford-hoying-development-bridge-park-dublin.html

Like to see more for sale condo units, but is 185K for a 500sq ft studio really necessary?

Google Streetview has also been very recently updated (Aug 2022) for a lot of the Bridge Park area! 

For some reason it won’t allow me to upload the other pics I took of BP just these ones

19 minutes ago, 614love said:

 

No basements. SMH. 

9 hours ago, aderwent said:

No basements. SMH. 

It's Pulte - who competes with MI, Maronda, Ryan, and DR Horton for crappiest builder ever. 

^Yeah we've got some real winners in this town

Massive development proposed by Thrive in Dublin's Bridge Park District just North of the Historic District and South of I-270. The project calls for  "100 for-sale residential units, 715 for-rent residential units, 200,000-square-feet of office space, greenspace, and associated site improvements." Its just an informal review to get feedback but looks promising. There are massing models and site plans but I'm out of photo upload space. lol

 

https://dublinohiousa.gov/pzc/22-135

43 minutes ago, Ginger Planner said:

Massive development proposed by Thrive in Dublin's Bridge Park District just North of the Historic District and South of I-270. The project calls for  "100 for-sale residential units, 715 for-rent residential units, 200,000-square-feet of office space, greenspace, and associated site improvements." Its just an informal review to get feedback but looks promising. There are massing models and site plans but I'm out of photo upload space. lol

 

https://dublinohiousa.gov/pzc/22-135

Still not a fan of bridge park, but yes please keep building density and then start pushing for transit to Downtown Columbus 

Meh, looks like a typical, freeway oriented, car dependent suburban development. 

8 hours ago, Pablo said:

Meh, looks like a typical, freeway oriented, car dependent suburban development. 

Well, this is directly next to a freeway in a suburban area of a metro area that is very car dependent. So based on all those factors, I’d say these plans are actually really good. This is about the best you could realistically hope for for that piece of land. 

It's 3-5 stories with a mix of rental and for sale units, there's parking garages instead of acres of open parking, and those parking garages are clad with rental units. There's maybe a bit much parking on the interior of the housing blocks on east/west, but overall looks pretty good to me. 

 

Also, the car dependent criticism is a waste of time, you could build a Judge Dredd style Mega-Block here and you'd still need a car because it's in Dublin, OH. 

 

^Agreed. I'm not a huge fan of Wagenbrenner / Thrive in general, but this is really just a copy-paste of different elements from their other projects onto this site

 

So, it's really no more "typically suburban" than anything they're doing at Jeffrey Park, Grandview Crossing, Quarry Trails, etc

 

Is it Bridge Park 2? No, but it's also not Sawmill Rd

19 minutes ago, NW24HX said:

^Agreed. I'm not a huge fan of Wagenbrenner / Thrive in general, but this is really just a copy-paste of different elements from their other projects onto this site

 

So, it's really no more "typically suburban" than anything they're doing at Jeffrey Park, Grandview Crossing, Quarry Trails, etc

 

Is it Bridge Park 2? No, but it's also not Sawmill Rd

Yep, it’s about as good as can be for the suburbs. I think the road extension over the river is way to car centered, but is probably needed 

The reality is that Columbus and surrounding burbs have so much available land. This plot was probably pretty cheap so it would be hard for a developer to justify density like Bridge Park. However, I think this is a big step in reducing some open land inventory while adding a substantial amount of housing. 

7 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

Well, this is directly next to a freeway in a suburban area of a metro area that is very car dependent. So based on all those factors, I’d say these plans are actually really good. This is about the best you could realistically hope for for that piece of land. 

I still say meh

9 hours ago, VintageLife said:

Yep, it’s about as good as can be for the suburbs. I think the road extension over the river is way to car centered, but is probably needed 

I will say that that road connection across the river has been in the master plan for the Bridge Street District since about 2013-2014. It is also suppose to provide an additional bike connection from the bike path along Tuller Road across the river and down to the historic district.

On 9/23/2022 at 10:37 PM, Pablo said:

Meh, looks like a typical, freeway oriented, car dependent suburban development. 

 

I'm usually the one who is harsh on development, but this looks okay to me. Garage instead of surface parking, mix of uses, a not too bad density.  The only thing I don't really like is not directly related- the proposed extension of John Shields Parkway to this site.  Bridge Street is hardly a long haul, and it would be a waste to build another river crossing just to service this site and connect to Dublin Road.  

39 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

I'm usually the one who is harsh on development, but this looks okay to me. Garage instead of surface parking, mix of uses, a not too bad density.  The only thing I don't really like is not directly related- the proposed extension of John Shields Parkway to this site.  Bridge Street is hardly a long haul, and it would be a waste to build another river crossing just to service this site and connect to Dublin Road.  

This has been in the plans for a long time - the extension is not related to the development.

One of the final pieces of Bridge Park as it was originally conceived has been reviled and they are going for an Informal Review to solicit feedback. Includes two residential buildings 8 and 9 stories tall, a hotel, and parking garage. It is located between Bridge Park and I-270 also the river.

 

https://dublinohiousa.gov/pzc/22-143

52 minutes ago, Ginger Planner said:

has been reviled

It’s already been reviled? That’s not good…

 

Seriously though, 8-9 stories sounds great for this area. Hopefully the hotel can be around 8-stories tall as well. 
 

Edit: Based on the drawings it looks like the hotel will be around 8-stories. 

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44 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

It’s already been reviled? That’s not good…

 

Seriously though, 8-9 stories sounds great for this area. Hopefully the hotel can be around 8-stories tall as well. 
 

Edit: Based on the drawings it looks like the hotel will be around 8-stories. 

lol. Apologies, revealed. ;)

Being next to that old people home, I wouldn't be surprised if it was also reviled.

Unless it’s all for purchase units above $500,000 it probably will be reviled by the same people who said apartments bring in undesirables and would ruin the area. 

9 hours ago, Ginger Planner said:

lol. Apologies, revealed. ;)

*Phew!*

 

I was about to write a long tirade about how this proposal is absolutely appropriate for the area.

 

Exciting news having this next phase built. Nice to have something in the pipeline that's over 5 stories. Looking at the massing drawings, these buildings will also mesh well with the existing structures while providing a bit extra height. 

I wonder what brand of hotel it will be. Hope it’s something new to Columbus!

11 story residential buildings! This is amazing!

On 9/27/2022 at 9:09 PM, Ginger Planner said:

One of the final pieces of Bridge Park as it was originally conceived has been reviled and they are going for an Informal Review to solicit feedback. Includes two residential buildings 8 and 9 stories tall, a hotel, and parking garage. It is located between Bridge Park and I-270 also the river.

 

https://dublinohiousa.gov/pzc/22-143

More info on this one:

 

Columbus developer proposes massive mixed-use project near Dublin's Bridge Park

 

 

“A Columbus developer is planning a massive mixed-use complex near Dublin's Bridge Park, but it's not Crawford Hoying. 

 

Indus Companies, which is primarily known as a hotel development and management company, is dipping into the market where Crawford Hoying has carved out a niche as the primary developer for much of the city's large-scale projects. Crawford Hoying has and continues to develop Bridge Park, a sprawling mixed-used district south of the site Indus wants to develop.

 

The developer, in partnership with engineer EMH&T and architects Moody Nolan and MKSK, is looking to construct a five-building complex featuring a hotel, parking garage, and office and residential structures. Indus recently submitted an application to the Dublin Planning & Zoning Commission for the project, which it is calling Indus Bridge Street.
 

The proposal consists of two blocks with an eight-story AC Marriot hotel, a six-story office building, 11- and 10-story residential buildings, and a five-story parking garage. All five buildings will have a retail component.“

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/10/07/indus-bridge-street-dublin-development.html

19 minutes ago, amped91 said:

More info on this one:

 

Columbus developer proposes massive mixed-use project near Dublin's Bridge Park

 

 

“A Columbus developer is planning a massive mixed-use complex near Dublin's Bridge Park, but it's not Crawford Hoying. 

 

Indus Companies, which is primarily known as a hotel development and management company, is dipping into the market where Crawford Hoying has carved out a niche as the primary developer for much of the city's large-scale projects. Crawford Hoying has and continues to develop Bridge Park, a sprawling mixed-used district south of the site Indus wants to develop.

 

The developer, in partnership with engineer EMH&T and architects Moody Nolan and MKSK, is looking to construct a five-building complex featuring a hotel, parking garage, and office and residential structures. Indus recently submitted an application to the Dublin Planning & Zoning Commission for the project, which it is calling Indus Bridge Street.
 

The proposal consists of two blocks with an eight-story AC Marriot hotel, a six-story office building, 11- and 10-story residential buildings, and a five-story parking garage. All five buildings will have a retail component.“

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/10/07/indus-bridge-street-dublin-development.html

Another AC Marriott? 🤔

24 minutes ago, amped91 said:

More info on this one:

 

Columbus developer proposes massive mixed-use project near Dublin's Bridge Park

 

 

“A Columbus developer is planning a massive mixed-use complex near Dublin's Bridge Park, but it's not Crawford Hoying. 

 

Indus Companies, which is primarily known as a hotel development and management company, is dipping into the market where Crawford Hoying has carved out a niche as the primary developer for much of the city's large-scale projects. Crawford Hoying has and continues to develop Bridge Park, a sprawling mixed-used district south of the site Indus wants to develop.

 

The developer, in partnership with engineer EMH&T and architects Moody Nolan and MKSK, is looking to construct a five-building complex featuring a hotel, parking garage, and office and residential structures. Indus recently submitted an application to the Dublin Planning & Zoning Commission for the project, which it is calling Indus Bridge Street.
 

The proposal consists of two blocks with an eight-story AC Marriot hotel, a six-story office building, 11- and 10-story residential buildings, and a five-story parking garage. All five buildings will have a retail component.“

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/10/07/indus-bridge-street-dublin-development.html

Crazy Dublin is getting more and more 10+ and downtown is struggling for them. 

45 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

Crazy Dublin is getting more and more 10+ and downtown is struggling for them. 

 

It's not like nothing over 10 stories is being built downtown. We have Hilton that just wrapped up and Merchant Tower coming up. There's the 13 story on Broad and the 15 story at High and Gay that should be starting soon. We have everything happening on the Scioto Peninsula. The old Greyhound site will presumably have some at least 15-stories. In addition to those, there have been about seven or eight buildings of at least 10 stories that have gone up in the last 5-7 years downtown.

1 hour ago, aderwent said:

Another AC Marriott? 🤔

Damn autocorrect. I'll bet they meant Aloft