August 4, 200816 yr Love the "Straight Up" church - and the twin chimney house in the next picture too. League Park is looking pretty sad tho. :cry:
August 4, 200816 yr Random but nice. The apts in the last pic could be nice with a little tlc. I would love to see those classic stately Cleveland buildings built throughout the city. I bet people would buy those. I've been in some of those on the blvd and they are massive. I'd say they are probably the same size or bigger than my crib.
August 4, 200816 yr I didn’t know the gateway arch to Euclid Beach was still standing. Obviously the amusement park (they had three roller coasters--one with a double set of tracks called the "Racing Coaster") is gone (torn down when I was a child. I think my father was pickpocketed there in the 50’s!), but is there still a park there? http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
August 4, 200816 yr Those arches were damaged a few years back and were supposed to be torn down. It looks like they found the money to repair them.
August 5, 200816 yr What a way to start off "Ohio's Grandest" ;) "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
August 5, 200816 yr If this is "Ohio's Grandest", it's no wonder we have such a wonderful national reputation... I do get that some on here claim Cleveland as Ohio's greatest, grandest, biggest, etc. city, but I really have not seen evidence to back this claim up. I'm not trying to get into a vs. thing, but it seems to be an unfounded accolade.
August 5, 200816 yr If this is "Ohio's Grandest", it's no wonder we have such a wonderful national reputation... I do get that some on here claim Cleveland as Ohio's greatest, grandest, biggest, etc. city, but I really have not seen evidence to back this claim up. I'm not trying to get into a vs. thing, but it seems to be an unfounded accolade. sadly i agree. cleveland has gutted itself of its most urban building stock/neighborhoods blocks and blocks of those apartment buildings in the last pic? it would be the grandest I would love to see those classic stately Cleveland buildings built throughout the city. I bet people would buy those. I've been in some of those on the blvd and they are massive. I'd say they are probably the same size or bigger than my crib. thats what i always say, but instead people build mcmansions and crappy townhomes 2 miles from downtown. would people really not buy a re-creation of the buildings that used to exist there instead of some new urbanism crap?
August 5, 200816 yr CTownsFinest216 I disagree with most of the first part of your statement as there are still lots of neighborhoods with great buildings, that either we haven't seen or those neighborhoods are forgotten and never get any attention. Yeah people do build crappy mcmansions, but not 2 miles from downtown, so chill with the dramatics already. WE ALL GET YOUR POINT. YOU SAY THE SAME THING OVER, AND OVER, AND OVER....STOP PREACHING TO THE CHOIR MAN. We agree with you. :wink: It's very easy for us to say people should do this that an the other, but in no city are they building structures like that. They are mostly rehab jobs. I think building a recreation of building like that with the same type of materials would be cost prohibitive for today's buyer. If you have evidence or numbers that suggest buildings like that can be built, please provide.
August 5, 200816 yr If this is "Ohio's Grandest", it's no wonder we have such a wonderful national reputation... I do get that some on here claim Cleveland as Ohio's greatest, grandest, biggest, etc. city, but I really have not seen evidence to back this claim up. I'm not trying to get into a vs. thing, but it seems to be an unfounded accolade. Thanks for your opinion. Isn't it obvious that that is the thread creator's opinion? It's hard to say it isn't Ohio's grandest, look at the competition.
August 5, 200816 yr If this is "Ohio's Grandest", it's no wonder we have such a wonderful national reputation... I do get that some on here claim Cleveland as Ohio's greatest, grandest, biggest, etc. city, but I really have not seen evidence to back this claim up. I'm not trying to get into a vs. thing, but it seems to be an unfounded accolade. Just to replay my reasoning from Rando's same objection... I don't know about 'Greatest' (the jury is still out for me on that one), but I do think Cleveland gets the title of 'Grandest,' not to say that other cities don't deserve different adjectives that are just as flattering (or even moreso). Between the wide streets (most with appropriately scaled buildings so they don't always seem so), the expansive square (and how Terminal Tower plays off it), the formal mall (and flanking civic buildings), the bridges (both in their shear size/scale and how downtown stands so massive when approached on them, especially Lorain Carnegie), the lake, etc., etc., (you can say Burnham if you want) the city is most deserving of such a title. Certainly agreed. Cleveland's downtown and scale is certainly "large scale" due to the whole Burnham plan yet I think the wide streets in Superior's case hurts downtown while Euclid seems more personable. http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,16412.0/msg,294566.html
August 5, 200816 yr If this is "Ohio's Grandest", it's no wonder we have such a wonderful national reputation... I do get that some on here claim Cleveland as Ohio's greatest, grandest, biggest, etc. city, but I really have not seen evidence to back this claim up. I'm not trying to get into a vs. thing, but it seems to be an unfounded accolade. It is Ink's opinion, but I think that perception comes from the fact that Cleveland and its environs has been Ohio's biggest/grandest for most of the last 100 years. and still retains that in certain respects. For example the tall buildings and wide avenues give me the perception of a big city as opposed to the narrower streets and shorter buildings in other Ohio City but that is MY opinion. Ink nice random shots. There is a thread somewhere around heere in architecture and preservation that has the pics of when the Euclid beach park was damaged and the after pictures when it was fixed.
August 5, 200816 yr If this is "Ohio's Grandest", it's no wonder we have such a wonderful national reputation... I do get that some on here claim Cleveland as Ohio's greatest, grandest, biggest, etc. city, but I really have not seen evidence to back this claim up. I'm not trying to get into a vs. thing, but it seems to be an unfounded accolade. Just to replay my reasoning from Rando's same objection... I don't know about 'Greatest' (the jury is still out for me on that one), but I do think Cleveland gets the title of 'Grandest,' not to say that other cities don't deserve different adjectives that are just as flattering (or even moreso). Between the wide streets (most with appropriately scaled buildings so they don't always seem so), the expansive square (and how Terminal Tower plays off it), the formal mall (and flanking civic buildings), the bridges (both in their shear size/scale and how downtown stands so massive when approached on them, especially Lorain Carnegie), the lake, etc., etc., (you can say Burnham if you want) the city is most deserving of such a title. Certainly agreed. Cleveland's downtown and scale is certainly "large scale" due to the whole Burnham plan yet I think the wide streets in Superior's case hurts downtown while Euclid seems more personable. http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,16412.0/msg,294566.html OK, that makes sense. I was thinking "grand" to mean "best" when really you mean it to mean more stately or large scaled, I can agree with that. However, most of Cleveland's housing stock is the wood-frame, two story house- a structure that I don't think most people would consider "grand". Compare the Cleveland "duckbill" to the Cincinnati row house or the abundance of brick in Columbus, and it's hard to think of Cleveland as somehow being "grand". Though in your context (wide streets/avenues, terminal tower, etc.), it makes sense.
August 5, 200816 yr Compare the Cleveland "duckbill" to the Cincinnati row house or the abundance of brick in Columbus, and it's hard to think of Cleveland as somehow being "grand". I can see where the duckbill/Lakewood double may not seem as grand as a Cincinnati rowhouse, but when you see entire streets (long block after long block) composed solely of duckbills, the term doesn't seem too far-fetched. Speaking of residential/neighborhoods, it is really Cleveland's apartment buildings that you should be referencing. Not that Cincinnati doesn't a great collection itself, but Cleveland's apartment-lined boulevards and streets within the city and in Lakewood, East Cleveland, Cleveland Heights, and Shaker Heights are most certainly grand. You also have the apartment clusters at Shaker Square and the Gold Coast; I'd suppose you could call them grand as well.
August 5, 200816 yr ^Agreed on all counts. The apartment lined streets near Shaker Square certainly would fit any definition of "grand".
August 5, 200816 yr ^Agreed on all counts. The apartment lined streets near Shaker Square certainly would fit any definition of "grand". AGREED!
August 5, 200816 yr If this is "Ohio's Grandest", it's no wonder we have such a wonderful national reputation... I do get that some on here claim Cleveland as Ohio's greatest, grandest, biggest, etc. city, but I really have not seen evidence to back this claim up. I'm not trying to get into a vs. thing, but it seems to be an unfounded accolade. You can't push someone in the back and then say you are not trying to start a fight.
August 5, 200816 yr If this is "Ohio's Grandest", it's no wonder we have such a wonderful national reputation... I do get that some on here claim Cleveland as Ohio's greatest, grandest, biggest, etc. city, but I really have not seen evidence to back this claim up. I'm not trying to get into a vs. thing, but it seems to be an unfounded accolade. You can't push someone in the back and then say you are not trying to start a fight. It was a misunderstanding...we'll leave it there.
August 5, 200816 yr shouldn't the Village of Grand River (pop. 345 and hometown to Don Shula) really be Ohio's Grandest?! http://www.grandriverohio.com/ Seriously, can any city in Ohio really be called grand? As an Ohio native, my nearest big city was Cleveland, and certainly it has its share of grand institutions--especially the Cleve. Orchestra and the Museum of Art among them, which provide world-class cultural opportunities. Beyond that, I don't know if anything else (at least in the city's current condition) achieves that level of grandness. One thing of which I am certain though, and this is probably sacrilege for someone from the northeastern part of the state (and this is based on the many great pictures I've seen on this website, and my few visits there years ago), but for me the most photogenic city in Ohio is without question Cincinnati--something with which even the most partisan of Clevelanders might agree! http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
August 5, 200816 yr As if the grandest debate wasn't bad enough now we've moved on to most photogenic?
August 5, 200816 yr Cleveland has an entire song written about it rocking.. that's evidence enough of its awesomeness.
August 5, 200816 yr Cleveland is the "big city" of Ohio to non-Ohioans. That's why it seems to be the grandest to the majority of the country, IMO.
August 6, 200816 yr Great pics ink! I didn't know these were boarded... I wonder what the plan is for that section of Central Ave.
August 6, 200816 yr Look, being "Ohio's grandest" doesn't necessarily mean "the best." The infrastructure of Cleveland is/was built for a large population and when the city fell, many of it went with it. Thus, you have your Chesters, your Euclids, your Supreriors. Meaning, wide streets, scattered commercial blocks, etc. Now grandest doesn't necessarily mean "big city feel" as grand can feel rather suburban (look at suburban Omaha...or Detroit...for "grand" streetscapes). It's all about perspective and preference. Cleveland is a fine city and there's no reason for this thread to turn into another pissing match or "I Love Cleveland II!" thread. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
August 6, 200816 yr What is the Cleveland 'duckbil?' A two-family house commonly seen in many Cleveland and Buffalo neighborhoods. I think Coldayman was the one that coined the term Duckbill houses becasue the porch roofs look like a ducks bill.lol
August 6, 200816 yr Cleveland has an entire song written about it rocking.. that's evidence enough of its awesomeness. yeah, but to be fair i take you have never heard the british leonard cohen/serge gainsbourg aka scott walker croon "the lights of cincinnati?" it'll leave you weeping in a puddle of regret. hipster schmaltz can be just as grand as the rawk ya know. :wink:
August 7, 200816 yr Duckbills are all over New England like Hartford, Pittsford, Middletown CT...Jesus, what horrific places. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
August 7, 200816 yr Definition of grand... 1. Large and impressive in size, scope, or extent; magnificent ----- Check! 2. Dignified in appearance or effect ---- Check! 3. Wonderful or very pleasing ---- Check! 4. Having higher rank than others of the same category ---- Check! 5. Having more importance than others ---- Check! Yup, you keep rocking it Cleveland, you are the grandest. Nice Pics!
August 7, 200816 yr Duckbills are all over New England like Hartford, Pittsford, Middletown CT...Jesus, what horrific places. Horrific indeed -- I may be making a trip down to C-Bus this weekend. I'll snap some photos of the fine housing stock in the Bottoms and Hilltop to brighten up this thread :wink:
August 9, 200816 yr Ohio's grandest was just listed as one of the top ten "dying" cities in america...along with Canton, Dayton, and Youngstown. :P http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7146082&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1
August 9, 200816 yr Ohio's grandest was just listed as one of the top ten "dying" cities in america...along with Canton, Dayton, and Youngstown. :P http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7146082&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1 Wow, thank you! This is a very new and interesting read, I've never seen it posted on Urban Ohio before and I think everyone will really appreciate you posting this!
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