June 29, 201212 yr I see a "CR" on door... so that's why it's "Cowboy Rock" - so they don't have to remove all those "CR" logos... THAT's cheap, too...
June 29, 201212 yr That can't be permanent ... I hope. What is going on here! It's still closed- right?
June 29, 201212 yr It's now painted black yay :/ wouldn't this type of alteration need to be approved by the city? where is the side? is painted particle board an acceptable material on public square?
June 29, 201212 yr It's now painted black yay :/ wouldn't this type of alteration need to be approved by the city? where is the side? is painted particle board an acceptable material on public square? Yep, probably. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 29, 201212 yr It's now painted black yay :/ wouldn't this type of alteration need to be approved by the city? where is the side? is painted particle board an acceptable material on public square? Yep, probably. I would assume this is there to protect the car until it can be dismantled, as it appears that the CR brand is moving in. Calm down folks...
June 29, 201212 yr Calm down folks... Hey, I'm not the one standing on his head in his avatar. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 29, 201212 yr There are Cowboy Rock decals on the windows now. Those had been there for 2-3 months now. I think whoever is leasing that place and operating under the Cadillac Ranch name has know the Assets were getting sold and thus made the needed changes to stay ahead of any cease and desist order. The covering of the caddy looks terrible. Its even worse in person. It would honestly look better if the particle board was put up on the two sides and painted black. Still terrible, but at least you wouldn't still be able to see the car.
June 29, 201212 yr Calm down folks... Hey, I'm not the one standing on his head in his avatar. I was at the beach and doing a handstand for the kids!
June 29, 201212 yr Calm down folks... Hey, I'm not the one standing on his head in his avatar. I was at the beach and doing a handstand for the kids! Show off :-P
June 29, 201212 yr Calm down folks... Hey, I'm not the one standing on his head in his avatar. I was at the beach and doing a handstand for the kids! Show off :-P Thats why I'm the best Uncle and God Father on the planet!
July 27, 201212 yr I have some rendering of my Own I'd like to share. what I think could happen to the may company complex, which actually consists of three buildings. I would convert the original 1890s building AND THE 1930s building into residential and demilish the 650 space parking garage on Ontario. the key is to address the super block by cutting through it with pedestrian friendly roads breaking up the enormous site into one that is far more managable. the May company building is unique because it is ~500 feet deep, much larger than other Department stores that have been converted into residential, plus the building is land locked, meaning that for the residences on the interior of the building the only light they would receive would be from the atrium. site plan Looking in from ontario
July 27, 201212 yr Really interesting idea, I think something like this is what has to happen for the building to be reused to its fullest. Couple questions and thoughts of my own: You could save more of the May Co. building, by running it down along the side of the WT Grant building, which won't have windows on that side of the building. That would net more units, and keep down on blank walls. Is there an advantage or need to creating auto access to this space? Is that how parking accessed? Is parking for the whole development going to be in the new building where the parking garage now stands? I wonder what could be done with East 1st St under this scenario. I've never walked down it, so I have no idea what the current buildings have for facades along it's length.
July 27, 201212 yr Really interesting idea, I think something like this is what has to happen for the building to be reused to its fullest. Couple questions and thoughts of my own: You could save more of the May Co. building, by running it down along the side of the WT Grant building, which won't have windows on that side of the building. That would net more units, and keep down on blank walls. It possible but for the residential space to be useful it would push further towards the prospect wing and reduce the usefulness of the plaza in between the 2 building. which wasn't my original goal but has become a strong landmark within the development not just of the 1930s building but in the 1890 and the new site on Ontario and prospect. the park is 1/2 acre, in an E4th district devoid of green space outside of the Square. The blank walls of the WT grant building could be mitigated by painting it, large banners or placing reflective glass on the wall. Is there an advantage or need to creating auto access to this space? Is that how parking accessed? Is parking for the whole development going to be in the new building where the parking garage now stands? I placed parking in the cavernous lower level of the of the 1920s building, it could accommodate 2-3 levels of parking, the issue of access to the parking was the reason I choose to place a street through the plaza, and an exit onto a wider east 2nd street. you would not want to turn est 1st wide 2 lane street because it reduces the size of the new build site by an additional 10-11 feet, plus the exit is too close to the intersection of prospect and Ontario, (congestion issues). in general I said F parking,which is why I received a A-. I replaced the 650 spaces in garage with a 650 spaces in the Ontario/prospect building and the 2-3 levels of parking underneath the 1920 may Co. building. My philosophy Is with a downtown streetcar system, you can eliminate parking minimums downtown, and the demand for parking from Residents would be reduce allowing for an increase in development without an increase in parking. Parking minimums are evil, in downtown, it is bad enough that there is so much demand for it, without forcing less shared parking on the market. I wonder what could be done with East 1st St under this scenario. I've never walked down it, so I have no idea what the current buildings have for facades along it's length. East 1st right now is a tunnel, both the garage of the 1890s building connect to the 1930s building. It is not a pretty site I have some before and afters of both east 2nd and East 1st. turning both alley into a pedestrian friendly corridors was a priority, because right now they are not.
July 27, 201212 yr Thanks for the response. I'm surprised that the prof thought 2-3 levels of parking (the size of the May Co. building!) and a full replacement of the Ontario/Prospect garage wasn't enough parking. It seems like a lot to me.
July 28, 201212 yr Thanks for the response. I'm surprised that the prof thought 2-3 levels of parking (the size of the May Co. building!) and a full replacement of the Ontario/Prospect garage wasn't enough parking. It seems like a lot to me. this was Site 1 site 2 was the lot at east 4th street and prospect, did not replace the 220 spaces in that lots. Also the numbers I had for maximum residential build out for site 1 was 600-700 units. So the additional parking was inadequate for the needs of the Residential development. I disagree but that was her opinion.
August 16, 201212 yr There are Cowboy Rock decals on the windows now. Those had been there for 2-3 months now. I think whoever is leasing that place and operating under the Cadillac Ranch name has know the Assets were getting sold and thus made the needed changes to stay ahead of any cease and desist order. The covering of the caddy looks terrible. Its even worse in person. It would honestly look better if the particle board was put up on the two sides and painted black. Still terrible, but at least you wouldn't still be able to see the car. I walk by that place every day on my way to and from work and it appears that it's been closed. All the outdoor patio furniture is gone, the signs have been taken down from the door, and the lights were off during lunch today. Guess Cowboy Rock didn't last very long. If it is indeed closed, I can't imagine it will stay vacant for long. Such a big space right across the street from the Casino.
August 16, 201212 yr :laugh: theres still hope! Here we go back into a frenzy. Seriously though this space could be so much more... lets hope! The phone number has been "temporarily disconnected" :|
August 16, 201212 yr This is not a loss AT ALL in my book lol. I anticipated this happening as there were very few people ever there since the switchover. Now, let's get some quality there.
August 16, 201212 yr I know it's a "chain" but I think the size and location would be perfect for a Hofbrauhaus.
August 16, 201212 yr This is going to get me in trouble likely lol but I've wondered for a long time; if theoretically a department store (I know.) was interested in the May Co building, what limitations are present because of the other businesses on the first floor? Could the space of Cowboy Rock become the Public Square entrance?
August 16, 201212 yr I know it's a "chain" but I think the size and location would be perfect for a Hofbrauhaus. What is that exactly?
August 16, 201212 yr ^ http://www.hofbrauhausnewport.com/ The original is in Munich but there is also now Hofbrauhaus's in Newport (cincy), pittsburgh, and vegas.
August 16, 201212 yr I would love to see a Hofbrauhaus there. Always a good time in Cincy and definitely a different type of bar than any that are currently downtown.
August 16, 201212 yr Glad it closed. Had a racial profiling incident there in 2008. Vowed never to go back and didn't. It appears others didn't either for other reasons hopefully.
August 17, 201212 yr I would love to see a Hofbrauhaus there. Always a good time in Cincy and definitely a different type of bar than any that are currently downtown. Interestingly I saw the city seal of Cincinnatti on the Munich Town Hall when I was there. https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
August 17, 201212 yr Hofbrauhaus is perfect tenant and draw. Dave & Busters is another choice, though unsure their urban desires. And a Margaritaville is opening in Horseshoe Cincy, so wonder if that could be a possibility. This is a big space.
August 17, 201212 yr The Cadillac Ranch looked incredibly cheesy, and was an insult to the facade of the elegant historic May Co. As it was a blight on Public Square, good riddance. I was embarrassed to walk past it with guests from out of town, especially with that Cadillac boarded up with cheap black plywood. I sure hope the next tenant assembles a facade we can be proud of.
August 17, 201212 yr The Cadillac Ranch looked incredibly cheesy, and was an insult to the facade of the elegant historic May Co. As it was a blight on Public Square, good riddance. I was embarrassed to walk past it with guests from out of town, especially with that Cadillac boarded up with cheap black plywood. I sure hope the next tenant assembles a facade we can be proud of. I agree, but that all-season outdoor patio was a pretty awesome idea. It's a concept worth emulating all over downtown.
August 17, 201212 yr ^Agreed. Is it too much to ask for us to get a nice solid bar/restaurant in that space without a cheesy theme?
August 17, 201212 yr You know what would be perfect? http://www.vapianointernational.com/vapiano/cms/ If anyone here is interested.. I want 10% :wink: :laugh: :-D :wink:
August 17, 201212 yr On the door to Cowboy Rock there is a sign that says BARROOM has been closed for repairs. Says nothing about CR but seems pretty obvious that it is no more.
August 17, 201212 yr You know what would be perfect? http://www.vapianointernational.com/vapiano/cms/ If anyone here is interested.. I want 10% :wink: :laugh: :-D :wink: Any specific reason? We already have plenty of good Italian, and that place got an 18 Zagat rating, worse than Cheesecake Factory, PF Changs, and Maggianos.
August 20, 201212 yr You know what would be perfect? http://www.vapianointernational.com/vapiano/cms/ If anyone here is interested.. I want 10% :wink: :laugh: :-D :wink: Any specific reason? We already have plenty of good Italian, and that place got an 18 Zagat rating, worse than Cheesecake Factory, PF Changs, and Maggianos. Sure. They are 100% a lunchtime 9-5 crowd kind of place, so its pretty casual, so don't let the Zagat rating scare you. But I think they would fit well with Pura Vida (one of my fav's in the city) due to their in-house production of all of the herbs. You can get your food made fresh, and then at every table there is an herb garden. Pretty neat, and something that has spread pretty well. I know its a chain, but I think it would fit the area as a very nice but not too expensive option, like most of 4th. Thats all
September 1, 201311 yr May Co. building may see apartments in $100 million project Three big names in Cleveland real estate have set their sights on turning the old May Co. department store on Public Square into about 400 apartments as part of a $100 million redevelopment project that would look to take advantage of locals' hunger for downtown living. A joint venture led by David Goldberg, a longtime civic leader and real estate investor, and Landmark Management of Cleveland has reached an agreement with the building's Florida-based owner to buy much of the nearly 1 million-square-foot property, according to two people familiar with the situation. The potential deal is subject to multiple contingencies, such as the building makeover receiving crucial federal and state historic preservation tax credits and city approvals, the sources said. Neither source agreed to be identified because they are not authorized to discuss it publicly. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20130901/SUB1/309019968
September 1, 201311 yr Thank goodness! I was very worried about the building's ownership led by Ariel Holdings LLC. These are the same characters who proposed turning the building into a parking deck. I can't tell you how happy I am that they will soon be out of the picture, and that this building falls into the hands of people who can repurpose it with more flattering uses. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 1, 201311 yr I toured that building a month ago. There will be parking on the inside with apartments on the outside, on at least some of the upper floors. Sandvick will be the architect doing the historic tax credit application
September 1, 201311 yr 100 mil is a big amount. Would be nice if it somehow included replacement or at least a rehab of the hideous parking deck.
September 1, 201311 yr 100 mil is a big amount. Would be nice if it somehow included replacement or at least a rehab of the hideous parking deck. They're spending less per square foot then Geis is on Ameritrust. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 1, 201311 yr I always thought that would be a good building for a tech company (a la google) data center on the interior of the building, offices on the edges. Apartments will be nice though.
September 2, 201311 yr 400 apartments! Wow, that might be the largest apartment historic renovation in Cleveland ever.
September 2, 201311 yr Will the apartments only be facing Public Square, or are they also going to be facing Prospect? If so, that's awesome! That side of the building has needed renovating for a long time.
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