July 2, 201410 yr If Walgreens can do something relatively close to this, I'm all in! http://www.chicagoarchitecture.org/2012/11/20/first-look-flagship-walgreens-inside-historic-noel-state-bank-building/walgreens-chicago-illinois-november-2012-019a/
July 2, 201410 yr The current CVS store at 9th & Euclid is crap and the space doesnt allow expansion. I think a CVS/Walgreens location on Public Square makes perfect sense given all the daytime traffic from office workers and the growing number of downtown residents in that area. The Heinens planned at E. 9th will be cool for sure, but I would guess a Public Square pharmacy/mini grocery location will do very well. I don't have the data to back that up, but the people that do are looking in May Co on Euclid... I don't know if that is true or not, but I feel a better place for a CVS or Trader Joe's would be the 515 Building.
July 2, 201410 yr If CVS were to relocate and expand what it offers, such as a mini grocery store etc, then I would be open to it but the interior design has to be executed correctly and the services and products offered have to be much improved from E.9th. I don't want to see another CVS especially in the May Co. building due to there already being two downtown, right down the street from each other no less (which I never understood). If another drug store were to move here I would want it to be someone such as Walgreens to create another option besides the CVS downtown monopoly.
July 2, 201410 yr If CVS were to relocate and expand what it offers, such as a mini grocery store etc, then I would be open to it but the interior design has to be executed correctly and the services and products offered have to be much improved from E.9th. I don't want to see another CVS especially in the May Co. building due to there already being two downtown, right down the street from each other no less (which I never understood). If another drug store were to move here I would want it to be someone such as Walgreens to create another option besides the CVS downtown monopoly. Who cares if it's a monopoly? Applying that logic to hotels, Cleveland would not be a Marriott Town. The Marriott program has the most hotel rooms in Downtown Cleveland (Ritz-Carlton, Marriott, Renaissance, Residence Inn and soon to open Metropolitan) and the Region as a whole.
July 2, 201410 yr If CVS were to relocate and expand what it offers, such as a mini grocery store etc, then I would be open to it but the interior design has to be executed correctly and the services and products offered have to be much improved from E.9th. I don't want to see another CVS especially in the May Co. building due to there already being two downtown, right down the street from each other no less (which I never understood). If another drug store were to move here I would want it to be someone such as Walgreens to create another option besides the CVS downtown monopoly. Who cares if it's a monopoly? Applying that logic to hotels, Cleveland would not be a Marriott Town. The Marriott program has the most hotel rooms in Downtown Cleveland (Ritz-Carlton, Marriott, Renaissance, Residence Inn and soon to open Metropolitan) and the Region as a whole. I do, if you have the same stores they will offer the same product and if you normally go to a different store than what is offered downtown but need something in a hurry and can't find because your usual shop isn't located in the area then you simply won't buy from there which is less money circulated around. I believe that an area should have diverse options to cater to various peoples taste and preference, some people won't shop at a certain store due to preference so if you offered a diverse selection of stores you can attract more customers to shop in that area instead of going to somewhere else due to a lack of options. For example I shop at Walmart for certain things, but if I want home decor items for my apartment I will go to Target much more often than Walmart. It all comes comes down to variety, why populate the area with the same store and potentially lose out on shoppers that don't shop there when you can go for a more diverse selection. Just my opinion.
July 2, 201410 yr If CVS were to relocate and expand what it offers, such as a mini grocery store etc, then I would be open to it but the interior design has to be executed correctly and the services and products offered have to be much improved from E.9th. I don't want to see another CVS especially in the May Co. building due to there already being two downtown, right down the street from each other no less (which I never understood). If another drug store were to move here I would want it to be someone such as Walgreens to create another option besides the CVS downtown monopoly. Who cares if it's a monopoly? Applying that logic to hotels, Cleveland would not be a Marriott Town. The Marriott program has the most hotel rooms in Downtown Cleveland (Ritz-Carlton, Marriott, Renaissance, Residence Inn and soon to open Metropolitan) and the Region as a whole. I do, if you have the same stores they will offer the same product and if you normally go to a different store than what is offered downtown but need something in a hurry and can't find because your usual shop isn't located in the area then you simply won't buy from there which is less money circulated around. I believe that an area should have diverse options to cater to various peoples taste and preference, some people won't shop at a certain store due to preference so if you offered a diverse selection of stores you can attract more customers to shop in that area instead of going to somewhere else due to a lack of options. For example I shop at Walmart for certain things, but if I want home decor items for my apartment I will go to Target much more often than Walmart. It all comes comes down to variety, why populate the area with the same store and potentially lose out on shoppers that don't shop there when you can go for a more diverse selection. Just my opinion. Not true. The same brands can have variety in retail operations based on the market. You can have two CVS locations, in close proximity, and they may carry the same basic items, but if one store is a "store in store" and the other a "free standing Key" location. The later may carry a larger retail matrix along with expanded hours.
July 2, 201410 yr If CVS were to relocate and expand what it offers, such as a mini grocery store etc, then I would be open to it but the interior design has to be executed correctly and the services and products offered have to be much improved from E.9th. I don't want to see another CVS especially in the May Co. building due to there already being two downtown, right down the street from each other no less (which I never understood). If another drug store were to move here I would want it to be someone such as Walgreens to create another option besides the CVS downtown monopoly. Who cares if it's a monopoly? Applying that logic to hotels, Cleveland would not be a Marriott Town. The Marriott program has the most hotel rooms in Downtown Cleveland (Ritz-Carlton, Marriott, Renaissance, Residence Inn and soon to open Metropolitan) and the Region as a whole. I do, if you have the same stores they will offer the same product and if you normally go to a different store than what is offered downtown but need something in a hurry and can't find because your usual shop isn't located in the area then you simply won't buy from there which is less money circulated around. I believe that an area should have diverse options to cater to various peoples taste and preference, some people won't shop at a certain store due to preference so if you offered a diverse selection of stores you can attract more customers to shop in that area instead of going to somewhere else due to a lack of options. For example I shop at Walmart for certain things, but if I want home decor items for my apartment I will go to Target much more often than Walmart. It all comes comes down to variety, why populate the area with the same store and potentially lose out on shoppers that don't shop there when you can go for a more diverse selection. Just my opinion. Not true. The same brands can have variety in retail operations based on the market. You can have two CVS locations, in close proximity, and they may carry the same basic items, but if one store is a "store in store" and the other a "free standing Key" location. The later may carry a larger retail matrix along with expanded hours. Well that's why I said earlier if it were to move I would like to see a store with expanded services and product offerings like a mini grocery store.
July 2, 201410 yr If CVS were to relocate and expand what it offers, such as a mini grocery store etc, then I would be open to it but the interior design has to be executed correctly and the services and products offered have to be much improved from E.9th. I don't want to see another CVS especially in the May Co. building due to there already being two downtown, right down the street from each other no less (which I never understood). If another drug store were to move here I would want it to be someone such as Walgreens to create another option besides the CVS downtown monopoly. Who cares if it's a monopoly? Applying that logic to hotels, Cleveland would not be a Marriott Town. The Marriott program has the most hotel rooms in Downtown Cleveland (Ritz-Carlton, Marriott, Renaissance, Residence Inn and soon to open Metropolitan) and the Region as a whole. I do, if you have the same stores they will offer the same product and if you normally go to a different store than what is offered downtown but need something in a hurry and can't find because your usual shop isn't located in the area then you simply won't buy from there which is less money circulated around. I believe that an area should have diverse options to cater to various peoples taste and preference, some people won't shop at a certain store due to preference so if you offered a diverse selection of stores you can attract more customers to shop in that area instead of going to somewhere else due to a lack of options. For example I shop at Walmart for certain things, but if I want home decor items for my apartment I will go to Target much more often than Walmart. It all comes comes down to variety, why populate the area with the same store and potentially lose out on shoppers that don't shop there when you can go for a more diverse selection. Just my opinion. Not true. The same brands can have variety in retail operations based on the market. You can have two CVS locations, in close proximity, and they may carry the same basic items, but if one store is a "store in store" and the other a "free standing Key" location. The later may carry a larger retail matrix along with expanded hours. Well that's why I said earlier if it were to move I would like to see a store with expanded services and product offerings like a mini grocery store. This is why IMO a building like 515 offers that. It works for residents, daytime workers and tourists.
July 2, 201410 yr Carney's project only includes the 3rd floor and above; I do not believe the lower floors are even being acquired from the current owner.
July 2, 201410 yr ^ You keep talking about the 515 building. The ground floor already fully leased. Who says it has to be on the ground floor? In addition, I would add the Arcade to the mix. Anyway, I've helped to take this off topic, lets get off of speculation and wait for facts to develop on the May Co. building. :)
July 2, 201410 yr I personally hope an academy of non-rocket science studies opens in the May Company building. :roll: clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
September 7, 201410 yr I don't know if anyone covered this (and if it's in the wrong spot KJP, please move) but there's a new nightclub in downtown at the old Cadillac Ranch called The Bank. A luxury nightclub and it looks like it's styled after The Bank in Las Vegas. Haven't had a chance to go here yet but I will at some point. https://m.facebook.com/BankCleveland?_rdr
October 3, 201410 yr Four large projects - former Huntington, May Co., Goodyear, Music Hall - vie for hefty state tax credits By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer on October 03, 2014 at 7:00 AM, updated October 03, 2014 at 7:06 AM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Two of downtown Cleveland's largest - and emptiest - marquee buildings are vying for major state tax credits to help fuel redevelopment. And they face potentially fierce competition from iconic properties in Akron and Cincinnati. There can be only one victor. READ MORE AT: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/10/former_huntington_building_may.html#incart_river "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 10, 201410 yr For the record and reference in this thread.... I don't care if this guy doesn't have a drivers license, he 'gets' downtown... November 09. 2014 4:30AM Ed FitzGerald to recommend Cuyahoga County commit $8.8 million of casino tax revenue to downtown projects By JAY MILLER Cuyahoga County Executive Ed FitzGerald wants to commit $8.8 million from the county’s share of casino tax revenue to loans for three downtown Cleveland projects that he believes would improve residential options. On Monday, Nov. 10, he will recommend to Cuyahoga County Council that the county make three commitments: • a $4 million loan to Landmark-May LLC to convert the May Co. building on Public Square to 350 apartments; • a $3.3 million loan to Stark Enterprises for the first phase of its nuCLEus project near Quicken Loans Arena • a $1.5 million loan to the Historic Gateway Neighborhood Corp. and the Downtown Cleveland Alliance to be put toward a $7 million makeover of the Gateway district. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20141109/FREE/141109784?template=mobile&X-IgnoreUserAgent=1 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 10, 201410 yr I wonder why Fitzgerald recommends County $$ for the May Company but not for 925 Euclid. 925 Euclid would be a 35% bigger project and may have a bigger impact on Downtown.
November 10, 201410 yr ^Because May Co. has a proposal and plans and has been in the works for almost two years (not to mention tax credits in hand and possibly a larger tax credit when the awards are announced in December). As far as I am aware nothing has been announced for Huntington (not even unfounded rumors which we are so fond of on this board).
November 10, 201410 yr Not to mention, we are about to redo Public Square. Would make sense that they want to encourage as much development as possible around the square.
November 10, 201410 yr Michelle just posted a long article reporting on Fitzgerald's new conference on Public Square today regarding his plan to devote casino money to various development projects including the May Co. Building. In the article she discussed the bigger state tax credit being awarded in December and she seemed to suggest that if the May Co. project did not get the award if might not get done. I was surprised by this since I believe they already were awarded a 10 mil tax credit (which I believe they have to give up if awarded the 25 mil credit) I would have hoped that that award would have moved the project along in any event (even though they would of course prefer the larger credit), just perhaps made it a bit more difficult. I hope I am reading more into it, but I thought it was a pretty negative statement on Michelle's part.
November 10, 201410 yr ^Because May Co. has a proposal and plans and has been in the works for almost two years (not to mention tax credits in hand and possibly a larger tax credit when the awards are announced in December). As far as I am aware nothing has been announced for Huntington (not even unfounded rumors which we are so fond of on this board). Sure it has. See the 925 Euclid thread. And WKYC just discovered there's a project for the May Co. building! Officials plan to convert May Co. building into apartments 4:31 p.m. EST November 10, 2014 CLEVELAND – Local entrepreneurs and Cuyahoga County Executive Ed FitzGerald announced proposals for an economic development initiative Monday afternoon. In a news conference, leaders called for the need to strengthen downtown Cleveland. Officials announced plans to convert the May Co. company building, in the southeast corner of Public Square, into an residential building. Officials proposed a $4 million loan for the the historical building. The 700,000 sq. ft. building will create an additional 350 apartments and about 380 parking spaces in the area, according to FitzGerald. READ MORE AT: http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/cleveland/2014/11/10/neo-business-leaders-announce-plan-to-strengthen-downtown/18808591/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 9, 201410 yr The May Co. garage has been covered in dirty, stained sheets for about 3 months. It looks absolutely horrible. Why has this been going on for so long? I was showing the city to some out-of-towners a few days ago, and that was one of the first things they saw. It's embarrassing.
December 9, 201410 yr I just don't see why they have to use what appears to be pee-stained sheets to cover the whole structure.
December 9, 201410 yr Look away. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 9, 201410 yr I'm sorry I don't like seeing giant unnecessary eyesores in the middle of my city. Carry on.
December 10, 201410 yr I'm sorry I don't like seeing giant unnecessary eyesores in the middle of my city. Carry on. You're right! We should never have anything unsightly or inconvenient to look at while actual improvements are being made! We should cover all of our dirty construction with drapes made of the finest silk! How unnecessary! :roll:
December 10, 201410 yr ^There's a huge difference between "drapes" and sheets that aren't absolutely filthy (before construction has even begun) that look like they belong in some quarantine/plague movie. They're over-the-top dirty. And I agree they are distracting and a mess to look at. It's a big building and when the entire thing is covered in what appears to be bed sheets salvaged from various murder scenes, it's a bad look for the city.
December 10, 201410 yr ^ Seriously. I can't believe people here are against me on this. It's over-the-top ugly, and it's at a major "entrance" to the city. And you say construction hasn't even begun? It's been like that for 3 months!
December 10, 201410 yr ^Oh no, I meant the sheets were dirty before construction even began. They were pre-dirtied. I'm assuming construction is well underway already.
December 10, 201410 yr Yes, the sheets are hideous. They should replace with something nicer. Anyone know when the state decides on the historic $25m credit? Hope it goes to either May Co or to 925 Euclid.
December 10, 201410 yr ^ The date I'm hearing is the 18th. If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on May Co winning the catalytic project credits.
December 18, 201410 yr The announcement for the historic tax credits is today. The catalytic tax credit announcement will be held in the Music Hall, which seems to strongly imply that the Music Hall will receive the tax credits. I was really thinking that May Co. had this one in the bag... It seems kind of silly to choose the Music Hall since it still being used, while the May Co. building is largely abandoned, and in visibly poor shape on the outside. Then again, I don't really know much about the Music Hall's condition, to be honest.
December 18, 201410 yr The announcement for the historic tax credits is today. The catalytic tax credit announcement will be held in the Music Hall, which seems to strongly imply that the Music Hall will receive the tax credits. I was really thinking that May Co. had this one in the bag... It seems kind of silly to choose the Music Hall since it still being used, while the May Co. building is largely abandoned, and in visibly poor shape on the outside. Then again, I don't really know much about the Music Hall's condition, to be honest. No implication necessary, it's explicit: Music Hall gets $25M historic tax credit There won't be any sad trombones playing at Music Hall on Thursday. State development officials announced the historic Over-the-Rhine building will receive a $25 million tax credit for its rehabilitation efforts. http://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/2014/12/17/music-hall-get-credits-needs/20541363/
December 18, 201410 yr ^In loose terms, it needs major help. 2/3 of the windows are bricked in, all mechanical systems need to be revamped, the interior is...dated. I have a feeling it has to do with the cultural aspects of Music Hall versus the other contenders.
December 18, 201410 yr ^In loose terms, it needs major help. 2/3 of the windows are bricked in, all mechanical systems need to be revamped, the interior is...dated. I have a feeling it has to do with the cultural aspects of Music Hall versus the other contenders. Yeah sorry but that's a bunch of BS. The music hall, regardless the condition of its interior, is currently operation, right? So please tell me what "catalytic" impact new mechanical systems in the music hall will make in OTR? Also, the costs for rehab were rejected when put to municipal vote - so that gives you an idea of the local interest. Meanwhile, the May Co. building sits vacant right on PS.
December 18, 201410 yr So, I guess the May Co. building is going to remain in crappy condition for at least the next couple years? That's kind of a bummer... I was really hoping that we'd get an updated May Co. building along with the Public Square face lift. Now it's going to be an even more noticeable eyesore.
December 18, 201410 yr And now there will be less money available in the other rounds... This is pretty disappointing policy back-fire for the Cleveland team that lobbied for the rule change.
December 18, 201410 yr ^Is that how that worked? I thought this was in addition to all the normal amounts they give out.
December 18, 201410 yr ^^^I was thinking the same thing...kind of ironic that the May Co. developers along with local reps came up with the new mega tax credit and saw to its passage all for naught.
December 18, 201410 yr ^Is that how that worked? I thought this was in addition to all the normal amounts they give out. No, it automatically skims $5 million of the top of the next rounds for 5 years.
December 18, 201410 yr Yeah this is total and complete BS. Music Hall was only chosen because it was in the headlines recently for being denied local funds, and it riled up preservationists. There is hardly anything catalytic that will come from giving the credits to the Music Hall. Meanwhile, the May Co. building continues to crumble on some of the best real estate in the city.
December 18, 201410 yr I really hope there is another way. They were ready to go http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20141218/FREE/141219840/northeast-ohio-is-sidelined-as-a-cincinnati-project-wins-ohios-first?X-IgnoreUserAgent=1&X-IgnoreUserAgent=1
December 18, 201410 yr So, what are the options now? Any chance this can be privately funded, or do we just have to wait 2 years for the next catalytic tax credits? Are there any federal programs that would help with this kind of project?
December 18, 201410 yr I feel like they were nervous due to two Cleveland mega-projects (May and Huntington) on the list, and the ramifications if it was given to one, and not the other. From the article, Rain's is seriously pissed. He even says, "I'm out". Imagine if Huntington got it, how much more he would have flown off the handle.
December 18, 201410 yr Wow, and here I thought people would act like adults and be happy that an historic structure that is a cultural hub in a revitalizing urban center. Instead I'm seeing bitter and accusatory comments. Nobody got screwed. There was only going to be one recipient. Everyone knew that. It's sad when people who are grown act like spoiled children who didn't get their way. Come on now.
December 18, 201410 yr Not a very positive response from Rain "I'm done". The article indicated the team was going to meet later to today to see if there was any other route to take but you would think they would already have thought out other options if they were not awarded the credit. Looks like the meeting just might turn into a gripe fest.
December 18, 201410 yr Wow, and here I thought people would act like adults and be happy that an historic structure that is a cultural hub in a revitalizing urban center. Instead I'm seeing bitter and accusatory comments. Nobody got screwed. There was only going to be one recipient. Everyone knew that. It's sad when people who are grown act like spoiled children who didn't get their way. Come on now. Omg, I think I'm going to puke. Seriously though, tax credits are a zero sum game. No one is going to be conciliatory for a project that didn't deserve to win.
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