I moved the discussion of old clubs from the OTR thread into this one.

The Main Street names that come to mind for me are Local 1207, BarrelHouse, Rhino's, Courtyard, Sycamore Gardens, Have A Nice Day, BAR.  I even remember a short lived bar called Jail.

The Main Street names that come to mind for me are Local 1207, BarrelHouse, Rhino's, Courtyard, Sycamore Gardens, Have A Nice Day, BAR.  I even remember a short lived bar called Jail.

 

Alchemize was where Below Zero is now.  Then it moved to Northside, then Nick Spencer was run out of town for stealing cash from it to support a drug habit (or something like that).  Then he moved to New York City and became a comic book writer of some renown. 

 

Mr. Pitiful's is by far the longest-running bar on Main at this point.  Jefferson Hall was where The Drinkery is now and something was in MOTR's space but I can't remember what. 

 

Also Downtown the Bay Hose Saloon closed down in 2005 after a shooting, The Phoenix Café finally closed around 2009 or 2010.  The Blue Wisp on Garfield Place closed around 2006 and became an ATM machine. 

 

The Main Street names that come to mind for me are Local 1207, BarrelHouse, Rhino's, Courtyard, Sycamore Gardens, Have A Nice Day, BAR.  I even remember a short lived bar called Jail.

Mr. Pitiful's is by far the longest-running bar on Main at this point.  Jefferson Hall was where The Drinkery is now and something was in MOTR's space but I can't remember what. 

 

Before MOTR it was Coopers which closed late 05 or early 06.  Before that I believe it was called moose on main or something like that.

Oh yeah I remember the name Moose's but I don't think I was ever in there before MOTR opened. 

 

Even tougher would be trying to remember the names of the various art galleries on Main and Clay St.  I remember the gallery walk being a pretty big deal with over 1,000 people down there during the summer. 

New Club opening in OTR. Grand Opening this Friday. Apparently not specifically orientated for gay people...

 

A new dance club with more than 6,500 square feet in the old Red Cheetah space is bringing a little glitter back to Over-the-Rhine.

Club Glitter is hosting its grand opening at 1133 Sycamore St. in OTR on April 24. Doors open at 10 p.m., and the event features Kandy Ho, a cast member from Logo TV's "RuPaul's Drag Race." Another show contestant Kenya Michaels will be the featured guest on April 25.

The club is being opened by a handful of owners, but they weren't named in a news release.

Club Glitter will offer nearly nightly entertainment ranging from female impersonation, comedy acts, live bands and celebrities from reality TV shows.

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2015/04/21/this-stretch-of-sycamore-is-about-to-go-from.html

 

Only open a few weeks... 3 shot in separate overnight incidents

 

At 2 a.m. an unknown gunman shot three times at a 45-year-old man leaving Glitter Night Club on 12th and Main streets.

Not surprising. It's a trashy place. They hired Jessica Dimon who brings with her an 18+ crown instead of a 21+ crowd and this 18-21 yo crowd that follows her around is generally made up of exceptionally trashy people who are vulgar, think it's appropriate to wear things like gym shorts and sweatpants to a club or bar, get black out drunk and pass out all over the place, vomit everywhere, trash the bathrooms, do drugs in the bathrooms, etc. It's no surprise this place is going downhill so quickly. I think I'm about to win some money since I bet my friends that it would only take a month before it became obvious it wouldn't last.

The Main Street names that come to mind for me are Local 1207, BarrelHouse, Rhino's, Courtyard, Sycamore Gardens, Have A Nice Day, BAR.  I even remember a short lived bar called Jail.

 

Alchemize was where Below Zero is now.  Then it moved to Northside, then Nick Spencer was run out of town for stealing cash from it to support a drug habit (or something like that).  Then he moved to New York City and became a comic book writer of some renown. 

 

Mr. Pitiful's is by far the longest-running bar on Main at this point.  Jefferson Hall was where The Drinkery is now and something was in MOTR's space but I can't remember what. 

 

Also Downtown the Bay Hose Saloon closed down in 2005 after a shooting, The Phoenix Café finally closed around 2009 or 2010.  The Blue Wisp on Garfield Place closed around 2006 and became an ATM machine. 

 

 

Drinkery was RBC before J Hall I believe. It was also "Jack Potts" at some point,

I forgot about Jack Potts!  It was only Jack Potts for six months at most. 

 

Also I forgot to mention that the Japp's Annex was Cue circa 2008-09.  I don't think I ever saw a crowd of any size in Cue.  I can't remember what the Japp's Annex space was in the 90s.

RBC was in the Japps annex space.

I forgot about Jack Potts!  It was only Jack Potts for six months at most. 

 

Also I forgot to mention that the Japp's Annex was Cue circa 2008-09.  I don't think I ever saw a crowd of any size in Cue.  I can't remember what the Japp's Annex space was in the 90s.

 

Jack Pott's first rebranded to "JP's Tavern" then to The Drinkery.

We're the people who did Cue the same guys behind Rhinehaus? I believe both bars were some former Miami Uni guys, wondering if they were the same group

We're the people who did Cue the same guys behind Rhinehaus? I believe both bars were some former Miami Uni guys, wondering if they were the same group

 

different guys.

We're the people who did Cue the same guys behind Rhinehaus? I believe both bars were some former Miami Uni guys, wondering if they were the same group

 

different guys.

 

Yeah but it would be a fun rumor to spread.  Kind of like the bitter rivalry between the owners of Jaap's and the owners of Neons. 

 

 

 

Just a heads up.....16 bit Arcade is opening up in OTR next Friday at 4pm.

Just a heads up.....16 bit Arcade is opening up in OTR next Friday at 4pm.

 

And it's awesome. $4 for any draft at happy hour and free video games.

You can now drink on the Pedal Wagon

 

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/entertainment/2015/06/25/pedal-wagon-adds-drinks-board/29296955/

As someone who was charged with OVI while riding a bicycle in 2005, an event that was a major disruption to my life, I'm totally pissed off. 

I will say that riding a bike is way different than the pedal wagons since they have a sober driver, but it's still a terrible thing to get in trouble for. Your odds of hurting someone else are astronomically low on a bicycle.

Having been on the Pedal Wagon twice, I can not imagine actually drinking while riding on it. You actually have to pedal pretty hard to make it go. The last thing I want to be doing during a workout is drinking alcohol.

I will say that riding a bike is way different than the pedal wagons since they have a sober driver, but it's still a terrible thing to get in trouble for. Your odds of hurting someone else are astronomically low on a bicycle.

 

The same bill that legalized open containers legalized pedal wagon drinking.  aka "Commercial Quadricycles".

 

 

As someone who was charged with OVI while riding a bicycle in 2005, an event that was a major disruption to my life, I'm totally pissed off. 

 

God's honest truth.  I almost got one on a riding lawnmower way back in the day.  They could have done it but took pity on me for some reason since I deserved it.

...you can's START that story and not tell us what you did on that riding mower.

I wish I knew the dangers of riding a bicycle while intoxicated that one fateful night in 2007 on a trail in the Appalachian Foothills of Northern Alabama...

Mayday is now the Northside Yacht Club, although it looks like the new owners threw a lot of money at it trying to turn it into the Neon's of Northside:

 

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/entertainment/2015/08/14/first-look-new-bar-northside-yacht-club-opens/31753771/

4EG bringing new bar to the Banks

 

 

Four Entertainment Group (4EG) – the organization behind Lachey's, Keystone Bar & Grill, the Righteous Room, the Lackman and others – is bringing a new bar and entertainment venue to the Banks.

 

The group is bringing a new concept called The Stretch to the former Johnny Rockets space at 191 Freedom Way in Phase I of the Banks development. The venue, which will include a bar and entertainment space featuring local and national DJs, is scheduled to open this summer.

 

More below:

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/02/18/4eg-bringing-new-bar-to-the-banks.html

temporary logo?

temporary logo?

 

4EG does branding pretty well, both with logos and interior design... so I'm gonna go ahead and assume this is a temporary logo.

Whether you like their bars or not ... 4EG does a fantastic job with running/marketing/designing bars. Most bars come and go, but their places seem to open and stay open for a very long long time.

OTR bar Mr. Pitiful's reopening under new management

 

An Over-the-Rhine bar has been closed while it underwent major renovations, but it's reopening and plans to make a splash in time for Bockfest this weekend.

Mr. Pitiful's at 1323 Main St. in OTR has been closed since January as its new owners revamped the interior. The bar will celebrate its renovation with a soft opening on March 3 and be open to the public again starting March 4.

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/03/03/exclusive-otr-bar-reopening-under-new-management.html

^ Sounds promising! They're already micromanaging the DJ selections!

Here’s what could fill Toby Keith’s spot at the Banks

 

 

A new upscale bar concept could be headed to the Banks, WCPO reports.

 

Splitsville Luxury Lanes is negotiating to fill the former Toby Keith’s I Love This Bar and Grill space at the Banks with a dueling piano bar and upscale bowling alley.

 

More below:

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/04/08/here-s-what-could-fill-toby-keith-s-spot-at-the.html

Good grief...yet another dueling piano place? 

^ Yeah, I was just about to say how embarrassing this is. But then I looked at Howl at the Moon's website and it seems that they are in most of the big cities. So whatever - people are funny.

Northside bar owner opening board game pub

 

 

The owners of a Northside bourbon bar are opening a new drinkery with a focus on board games and gaming right next door.

 

The Littlefield at 3934 Spring Grove Ave. in Northside announced April 21 on its Facebook page that it will open a bar called Second Place next door, at 3936 Spring Grove Ave.

 

More below:

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/blog/2016/04/northside-bar-owner-opening-board-game-pub.html

Residents quash OTR rooftop bar plans

 

 

Owners of two popular Over-the-Rhine restaurants won’t be able to build a rooftop deck on their new development, the Enquirer reports.

 

OTR residents’ appeal of a historic conservation board ruling on the Lang Thang Group’s plans for the Crown & Key Bar at 14th and Republic streets was approved on Thursday.

 

More below:

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/04/22/residents-quash-otr-rooftop-bar-plans.html

This is stupid. It's just a case of NIMBYism. The people at 14th and Vine didn't bother doing their research and are passing off their laziness and lack of responsible decision making when purchasing a place and are forcing what would be a great asset to scale back.

 

The design didn't place a deck next to anyone's windows like all the claims state. There was an interior space that would be added, then a covered outdoor space, and then all the way at the Republic Street end would be the actual open roof deck.

 

I really hate NIMBYism. Forcing development to always be smaller, always be less, to never live up to potential, and inadvertently causing problems is the only thing NIMBYism causes.

Additionally, i believe they were going to have restricted hours for the outdoor space. So it wasn't like people were going to be obnoxiously loud on the patio at 1:30am on a Tuesday night.

 

Not to mention when you rent or purchase a home in a high foot traffic entertainment district you know what you are getting into, both positives and negatives. Suddenly neighbors are shocked there would be a bar proposed close to their home?

The thing that bugs me most about this case is that this little building was first renovated and marketed as being a single family home capable of housing a second story addition and being converted into a bar prior to the construction of 14th and Vine, the main source of the NIMBYism. The idea that this would become a bar with a rooftop at some point has been around since before those residents even had a building to move into. Incredibly stupid.

 

I have a great view now from my place of Prospect Hill. That view will be blocked by the 15th and Vine office building. I'll miss the view, but I knew that going in because I paid attention to what is allowed on neighboring properties. I would never dream of protesting its construction if I hadn't bothered to do that research to know what I was getting into. You don't own your neighbors' properties and restricting them because you never bothered to look into what could potentially come of a neighboring building or piece of land is your fault and your fault alone.

 

Ugh, clearly I'm annoyed.

Suddenly neighbors are shocked there would be a bar proposed close to their home?

 

They probably moved there because it is close to bars! It's unbelievable how much the presence of a cluster of clean bars can elevate property values.

I'm so glad the residents' concerns were taken into consideration in this decision.  If the goal of increasing the numbers of downtown residents is to be met, then issues like noise created by bar patrons and/or bar music need to be acknowledged as having a possible deleterious effect on quality of life and property values. 

Additionally, i believe they were going to have restricted hours for the outdoor space. So it wasn't like people were going to be obnoxiously loud on the patio at 1:30am on a Tuesday night.

 

Not to mention when you rent or purchase a home in a high foot traffic entertainment district you know what you are getting into, both positives and negatives. Suddenly neighbors are shocked there would be a bar proposed close to their home?

 

Is this location in an entertainment district?

Why should we pander to people who are trying to bring a suburban lifestyle of constant peace and quiet to the city, where it's not constant peace and quiet. This idea that a rooftop bar would suddenly be this incredibly loud, crazy environment by merely lifting it 10' off the ground is absurd and based on nothing factual.

 

The people were pissed the addition would block their window so they'd look at a wall. That's it. Anything else they said was a lie to hide the fact that they felt dumb about buying without researching zoning of the neighboring property.

You don't own your neighbors' properties and restricting them because you never bothered to look into what could potentially come of a neighboring building or piece of land is your fault and your fault alone.

 

Ugh, clearly I'm annoyed.

 

Clearly, you fail to understand some of the rationale for zoning.  People can't be expected to own entire neighborhoods, thus stakeholders have a right to weigh in on anything that effects the quality of life and property values in their neighborhood.  Isn't that what zoning's all about in the first place? 

Why should we pander to people who are trying to bring a suburban lifestyle of constant peace and quiet to the city, where it's not constant peace and quiet. This idea that a rooftop bar would suddenly be this incredibly loud, crazy environment by merely lifting it 10' off the ground is absurd and based on nothing factual.

 

The people were pissed the addition would block their window so they'd look at a wall. That's it. Anything else they said was a lie to hide the fact that they felt dumb about buying without researching zoning of the neighboring property.

 

People were also concerned about noise.  It's preposterous to argue that those who oppose an outdoor bar in close proximity to their residences are trying to impose a suburban lifestyle on OTR. 

What about this goes against zoning? You're proving my point. This is well within zoning, so why shouldn't they be able to build? Because someone didn't do the 30 minute research to see what the neighboring lot is zoned to support?

 

I work with zoning daily. I have a pretty great grasp on it.

 

If you don't want to live by bars why would you move to the area that was quite clearly a bar area? Vine Street had already established itself as such by the time this building was built.

 

Whyl would you choose to live in a place where the thing that makes that place notable is what you don't want to have next door?

 

And like others have said, they were going to impose restrictions on themselves to not bother neighbors late at night. But yet neighbors still opposed. And it's because it all stemmed from that second floor resident who didn't want their window blocked.

Additionally, i believe they were going to have restricted hours for the outdoor space. So it wasn't like people were going to be obnoxiously loud on the patio at 1:30am on a Tuesday night.

 

Not to mention when you rent or purchase a home in a high foot traffic entertainment district you know what you are getting into, both positives and negatives. Suddenly neighbors are shocked there would be a bar proposed close to their home?

 

Is this location in an entertainment district?

 

Low Spark and Salazar is across the street and its in between Vine and Washington Park which are both entertainment destinations.

The site is zoned CC-P (Commercial Community - Pedestrian) so a bar is the exact type of establishment that is supposed to be built there. The opposition to the rooftop used a historic guideline that rooftop decks shouldn't be able to be seen from the street to achieve their agenda, which did not align with the reasoning that was used to block the deck. They didn't care about being able to see the deck from the street, they just didn't want a rooftop bar there.

 

Part of what makes this choice a poor one in my opinion is that this building is not a significant part of the historic district. Let's be honest - it looks like the exact type of building that should have a rooftop deck or modern addition.

I suspect residents used whatever zoning laws they could to oppose this proposed OUTDOOR BAR.  There are already a couple of bars at that intersection and I don't blame residents for not wanting another one, especially an outdoor one.  If anyone here thinks residential property value couldn't be negatively effected by a nearby outdoor bar, think again.  If the proposal were for an outdoor coffee shop that closed at 9:00 I doubt if there would've been opposition.  I've already heard there are complaints from people who live within earshot of Rhinegeist's rooftop. 

Literally nothing about this proposal is against zoning. Which is why they couldn't go with any zoning arguments to oppose this.

 

Bars and restaurants are what drew enough attention to Vine Street to make the 14th and Vine building possible. You don't blame residents for not wanting the thing that drew development of their building in the first place? I don't understand that logic.

 

Only around 1/3 of the second story was actually truly an open to the sky, no walls, fully outdoor bar. And it was the part furthest from the 14th and Vine building. This building is tiny in footprint. This outdoor section would have been smaller than the one on top of Krueger's. There's nothing to suggest it would have been this wild crazy party atmosphere.

 

You're continuing to ignore that they were going to self-impose restrictions on the hours the rooftop would be open as to not bother neighbors. It would have been a non-issue regardless of the type of atmosphere since it wouldn't have been open late at night anyway.

 

Anecdotal evidence about Rhinegeist's roof, which is 3.2 times larger than the entirety of the building this proposed rooftop would be on top of, is irrelevant.

 

Don't move to an area zoned commercial if you don't want to live around commercial properties. It's dumb and shouldn't be someone else's problem.