Posted February 29, 200421 yr University Park Apts/Calhoun Street Marketplace is currently under construction. I wonder how many units of housing it will have?
March 1, 200421 yr Looks like about 150 housing units, including 82 owner-occupied condos. There is a clickable map with floor plans at http://www.chcurc.org/.
March 31, 200421 yr Here's a link to an article that ran in the UC News Record about the development in Clifton Heights. Calhoun gets reinvented. One interesting part is that the development on the university side of the street will include street level retail, to be leased to private companies. The university construction has had steel rising at a rapid pace for the last several months. Congrats to the university for spearheading important mixed-use development. The private development across the street is off to a slower start, but they have begun razing old fast food restaurants and falling-down rowhouses for it.
August 8, 200420 yr I really like that gritty, "alternative" urban feel of Clifton...specfically the part of Clifton on McMillan, near Duttonhofers Bookstore (one of my usual stops when I'm in Cincy). This area is maybe more scruffy/student and less yuppie...yet those apartments over the stores look like they'd be neat to live in. The part of Clifton over on Ludlow by that theatre seems to be more upscale or yuppie.
September 22, 200420 yr UC invests in neighborhood to help spruce up its image By Denise Smith Amos Enquirer staff writer When high school students from other parts of Ohio or the country visit the University of Cincinnati campus, they don't see the best side of the city. Exiting Interstates 75 and 71, they must take city streets through some of Cincinnati's struggling neighborhoods. They see run-down homes and vacant businesses, substandard rental properties, signs of crime and - until recently - very little sign of investment. Once on campus, "they'd peek in the door and ask, 'How safe is it?' " said Greg Hand, UC's spokesman. That is why UC has committed $75 million of its endowment to help Clifton, Corryville, University Heights and Clifton Heights launch major redevelopment projects. It has provided initial and gap financing - as well as the planning and architectural know-how - for many projects now under construction, said Scott Enns, UC's community development coordinator. Beginning next year, new retail and office space, parking garages, town homes and condominiums, and new and renovated single-family homes will be opening throughout those neighborhoods, mostly on streets closest to campus. Read full article here: http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/09/22/uc
September 23, 200420 yr Bah...you have to have a little bit of action when you go to a school in the middle of a city.
December 17, 200420 yr An update...I drove by this today and the brick and upper windows are completely in. The street level facades are still unbuilt, but they're looking like actual buildings now.
December 18, 200420 yr You can go here for some recent construction pics.... http://www.horizons.uc.edu/HardHat/hardhattable.htm
January 5, 200520 yr I'm kinda ambivalent toward this project. The postitives for me are that it will be a sort of new urbanist development, and that it may restore some vitality to the area. The negatives are that eminent domain was used to take established businesses and historic buildings out, and the retail will probably be mainstream corporate stuff (i.e. Banana Republic and Gap rather than small boutiques and shops)
January 5, 200520 yr Anyone care to agree/disagree? Babe, you missed out on my epic debate with I believe Civvik a year ago. Acropolis Chili and Inn The Wood are the kind of places a college area needs because college students need cheap casual food and hangouts. For the moment they appear to be hanging on, and I hope that UC is forced to build around them. Yet, as I have pointed out numerous times, UC attacks these family-owned, unique businesses, and allows the Shell gas station to remain while tearing down adjacent row buildings that could have been beautifully restored for -- you guessed it -- surface parking. And UC's "progressive" while leafy OU is the enemy?
January 31, 200520 yr I was looking into the apartments in the new Calhoun St. development on campus side and I got a list of the retailers there. Panera Bread Fifth Third Bank Berarcat Hall of Fame Cafe Ben and Jerry's (but there's a Cold Stone across the street) Some sort of Mexican restaurant, but I forget the name of it A wrap place, but I also forgot the name of that one. And finally a UPS Store They did tell me that they had 2 more retail spots available and they were currently working on having them filled by September, but didn't give me any names. And for the pricing of the apartments. A one bedroom was around $800 a month, and a 2 bedroom for 2 people was around $600 a month per person. They come fully furnished and the price includes all utilities, including cable, internet, etc. I signed up to take a tour of them in February, so I'll make sure I take some pics.
February 1, 200520 yr 'Some sort of Mexican restaurant, but I forget the name of it' Ooooh, was it Baja Fresh? I sure hope so, I love that place.
February 1, 200520 yr Panera Bread Fifth Third Bank Berarcat Hall of Fame Cafe Ben and Jerry's (but there's a Cold Stone across the street) Some sort of Mexican restaurant, but I forget the name of it A wrap place, but I also forgot the name of that one. And finally a UPS Store weak, weak, weak, imo. btw, i filled out an online survey for the yet-to-be built condo building on the mcmillan side (name skips my mind right now) a while back. got a free $10 gift certificate for starbucks for it in the mail the other day. pretty cool if you ask me, although i'm not a huge starbucks fan.
February 1, 200520 yr When I was in college I was super poor, all these places would have been to expensive.I would not have gone. Guess some people are lucky to have rich parents. I lived on 1.50 Gyro wednesdays when I lived in cowtown, use to freeze them, had gyros all week
February 1, 200520 yr i agree, these places cater to kids who have money...so obviously they exclude students and others in the neighborhood who scrape by. I just don't think that's the way to create an integrated, vital neighborhood.
February 2, 200520 yr No I'm sorry its not a Baja Fresh. For some reason the name Salsaritos is coming to mind. And yeah the prices for these stores are going to be a little bit too much. Why can't Taco Bell put a new store in there like the one at OU, or Hardees and Boston Market, those places I could afford to eat at most of the time. And the Chicago Gyro place at the corner of McMillan and West Clifton does have some pretty damn good food, and good prices.
February 2, 200520 yr Sounds like it might be a Salsaritas Fresh Cantina. Their website is www.salsaritas.com. The website indicates they will be coming to Cincinnati soon. The menu looks very similar to Chipotle.
February 26, 200520 yr It's not my idea; it's a proposal by the university and CHCURC. Whether or not it has a snowball's chance in hell I can't say. But I don't know that it's completely out of the question. Those storefronts in University Park are pretty big. There's plenty of room for small boutiques a la O'bryonville.
June 10, 200520 yr Book store may join Calhoun project By Greg Paeth Post staff reporter Major national bookseller Barnes & Noble could be coming to the Calhoun Street project under way near the University of Cincinnati campus. "We are talking with several of the book vendors, including Barnes & Noble, Borders and Joseph-Beth," said Chris Hodge, a vice president of C.B. Richard Ellis, the commercial real estate firm handling the leasing of Calhoun Street Marketplace. No leases have been signed for the first phase of the massive re- development project at the south end of the U.C. campus, he said. But he acknowledged that a bookstore would be a good fit in the first phase, which includes 37,000 square feet of first floor retail space and housing for 758 students in the 200 block of Calhoun. Read full article here: http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050610/BIZ/506100325/1001/RSS04
June 13, 200520 yr Here are some pics from today Godd riddance to this piece of blight Mickey-D's is no more.... Arby's and Hardee's await the wrecking ball
June 14, 200520 yr The best thing about them was in the winter when Calhoun's fire alarm would go off in the middle of the night - Arby's and maybe the Taco Bell would be packed, but they were at least warm. You'd wonder if an unscrupulous owner wasn't behind some of those alarms...
August 20, 200519 yr UC surrounded by smart new buildings Hive of construction changing urban area By Joe Wessels Enquirer contributor Several construction projects near the University of Cincinnati's Clifton Heights campus are changing the familiar face of the area. Where before were fast-food restaurants with half-empty parking lots is now rising a residential and shopping haven, said Dan Deering, executive director of the Clifton Heights Community Urban Redevelopment Corp. Twelve percent of houses in the area are owner-occupied now. Deering said the 8-year-old project will raise that to 21 percent and become a catalyst for more people to move into the neighborhood. "One of the statistics we found from coast to coast was the higher the owner occupancy in a city, the less crime there was and the less resources needed for policing," Deering said. Jeanne Golliher, director of the Cincinnati Development Fund, said making the area vibrant and taking care of it will make it more attractive to prospective UC students and their parents. "It's becoming more and more difficult to attract students," said Golliher, whose group has given money to redevelopment groups for many of the projects in the area. "It's harder if your campus is in an area with boarded-up buildings and crime. It's exciting to see what it can be." Read full article here: http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050820/BIZ01/508200320
August 24, 200519 yr Is it me or does the new building look like it belongs in Communist Russia on a parade route?
August 24, 200519 yr Hey, those soviets had some OK stuff: The backround buildings have some resemblance: Certainly more urban than the Arby's! <a href=http://www.nyc-architecture.com/SCC/SCC030a.htm>interesting article: American inspiration for soviets</a>
August 25, 200519 yr Is it me or does the new building look like it belongs in Communist Russia on a parade route? It's not the best I've ever seen. The scale is just too large. It needs to be broken up better so that it doesn't seem so massive. It looks like they made an attempt to do that, but not enough of one. I don't hate the building, but it could be better. I'd like to see it with tenants and signage.
August 25, 200519 yr there was an interesting concept that some "signature" architect had helped propose...obviously i forget their name. i saw it floating around the office one day but apparently they decided against making it too interesting. its little overwealming because you can see the whole elevation driving east, but maybe when the other projects are completed it will feel in place...who knows
September 6, 200519 yr >It's not the best I've ever seen. The scale is just too large. It needs to be broken up better so that it doesn't seem so massive. What's odd about it are the proportions, because it actually seems skinny despite being so long, but in a different way than Longworth Hall, for example. The way it breaks at the corner by the Catholic school sort of works but sort of doesn't. If they really wanted to break it up they needed to use both different window sizes and heights. That's what happens on the real row house blocks it references. Real blocks have fire escapes and billboards too, but those would scare away potential custo -- excuse me, students. The higher ed game always manages to find new lows. > I'd like to see it with tenants and signage. Hooters. And a Hooters Air helipad on the roof.
October 2, 200519 yr Calhoun Street's new look for '05-06 UC and the Clifton Heights community celebrate the opening of a new student apartment complex, new retail shops and a fresh look for neighborhood businesses at the southern edge of the university's West Campus By Mary Niehaus Calhoun Street, that favorite UC student hangout, is looking very different these days. McDonald's, Wendy's, the old Arby's site and many other structures are gone. New student apartments fill a sleek brick building between Calhoun dorm and the local elementary school, while shops like Potbelly Sandwich Works are opening their doors at street level. It's just the beginning of a transformation occurring thanks to a partnership between UC and the Clifton Heights community. Hundreds of students, most of them freshmen and sophomores, are settling into fully furnished and air-conditioned UC-affiliated apartments that overlook Clifton Heights and West Campus. Long before school opened, nearly all the upscale housing had been grabbed up, partly because rent includes all utilities, phone, cable, high-speed Internet access, full carpeting and dishwasher-equipped kitchens. Built atop UC's new Calhoun parking garage, the 750-bed complex is the first project completed by the Clifton Heights Community Urban Redevelopment Corporation (CHCURC), in which UC is a major partner. Below student apartments along Calhoun are the freshly built retail spaces of the "Calhoun Street Marketplace," which have begun to fill up with restaurants, shops and service centers. The first to open its doors was Fifth Third Bank. Office manager Maher Kaddoura says that among the center's full-service options are free, student-friendly online banking accounts and a variety of student loan options. The first restaurant, Chicago-based Potbelly Sandwich Works, is an eatery that markets specifically to college students, offering inexpensive quick-serve favorites: meatball subs, toasted sandwiches, hand-dipped milkshakes and fresh bakery goods. Matt Bourgeois, CHCURC interim director, says that the next businesses most likely to move in are Salsarita's Fresh Cantina, FedEx Kinko's, Ben & Jerry's ice cream and Panera Bread. Read full article here: http://www.horizons.uc.edu/Breaking/calhoun1.htm PHOTO: Entrance to the new student apartments above the Calhoun Marketplace and UC's Calhoun Garage. Photo/Andrew Higley PHOTO: A fully equipped apartment kitchen Courtesy of University Park PHOTO: The Fifth Third Bank in the Calhoun Marketplace is just down the street from Old St. George Church. Photo/Andrew Higley PHOTO: Fresh windows and doors give the new Baba Budan's a more elegant facade, and the interior was totally redone. Photo/Andrew Higley PHOTO: Renovation, modernization and expansion of DuBois Book Store has made shopping more pleasant for customers. Photo/Andrew Higley PHOTO: Across Calhoun (from right) are Old St. George, a local elementary and the new University Park student apartments. Photo/Andrew Higley
October 10, 200519 yr Empty retail on Calhoun filled Marketplace leases expected to be signed in a few weeks By Allyson Knue | Monday, October 10, 2005 Over the past few months, Calhoun Street has taken on a new look. The new apartment complex has been costructed over a former parking lot. Students have been living in the University Park Apartments for the past month, yet the street-level store spaces are yet to be filled. According to the June 2005 Clifton Heights Community Urban Redevelopment Corporation newsletter, this phase of construction was initially to be completed this month. According to CHCURC interim director Matt Bourgeois, lease agreements are still in the works. "Leases have already been signed for Fifth Third Bank and Potbelly's Sandwich Works," said Bourgeois. "Within the next two weeks leases are expected to be signed with Fed-Ex/Kinko's, Salsarita's, a Mexican fast food restaurant, Boloco's, a specialty wraps and smoothies shop and Ben and Jerry's/Java Brewing Company." Read full article here: http://www.newsrecord.org/media/paper693/news/2005/10/10/CollegeLiving/Empty.Retail.On.Calhoun.Filled-1014766.shtml
October 17, 200519 yr New retail space near UC is slow to fill up But the apartments above stores prove popular By Lori Kurtzman Enquirer staff writer A redeveloped section of Calhoun Street now offers plenty of retail space with apartments on the upper floors. Only a Fifth Third Bank has opened there. The property owner is negotiating with a burrito store and an ice cream shop for leases. Students returning to the University of Cincinnati last month found a long line of new brick-and-glass storefronts stretching across the southern edge of campus. Nearly all the shops were empty at that time. A month later, not much has changed. Read full article here: http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051017/NEWS01/510170352
October 18, 200519 yr ^Now 5/3 brats don't have to walk all the way over to Corry St. to take out their parents' money to pay for those apartments, ice cream, and burritos.
November 15, 200519 yr Store fronts fill up on Calhoun By Zach Garrison Monday, November 14, 2005 Seven months after the demolition of McDonald's, the last freestanding fast food restaurant on Calhoun Street, planners continue to work on the redevelopment of the area. The organization in charge of the Clifton revitalization is the Clifton Heights Community Urban Redevelopment Corporation, headed by interim director Matt Bourgeois. "The mission of CHCURC is to eventually revitalize the business district from Vine Street to Clifton Avenue and between Calhoun and McMillan streets," Bourgeois said. Current projects that are overseen by CHCURC are the businesses under the University Park Apartments and the future McMillan Park Project. "The redevelopment activities are going to be geared to creating a more diverse array of retail opportunities and consolidating development," Bourgeois said. "We don't want it to be just an urban style that it had become with all the fast food, drive-through restaurants along Calhoun and McMillan streets." Read full article here: http://www.newsrecord.org/media/paper693/news/2005/11/14/News/Store.Fronts.Fill.Up.On.Calhoun-1055581.shtml
November 15, 200519 yr It was just a matter of time before this news came out. I wouldn't be able to comprehend retailers not wanting to locate in such a prime locale...I'm glad they took their time and didn't let in just any run of the mill retailer, but retailers that fit the needs of the development. Can't wait for McMillian Park across the street....the countdown has begun. :-D
November 15, 200519 yr >I wouldn't be able to comprehend retailers not wanting to locate in such a prime locale... Maybe because the rent is sky-fucking high and there's little parking. >I'm glad they took their time and didn't let in just any run of the mill retailer, but retailers that fit the needs of the development. Yeah, those needs being improving UC's image amongst people whose egos and paychecks depend on this image improvement...this is all about control. They won't let a liquor store or a biker bar or a car customizing shop open. They aren't going to let a truly rowdy, counter-cultural business in there, not as though anything that fits that description could pay the rent, because it maybe, just maybe might show how spectacularly lame a "wrap concept" is. It's "diverse mix", according to a very specific definition of what that phrase means. It's about creating a Disneyland Main St., despite college supposedly being about challenging people's upbringings. >Can't wait for McMillian Park across the street... Can't wait for something no real person can afford.
November 16, 200519 yr It seems like we meet again....I'm not sure what your problem is with this development but it sure is serious. It also seems that you get sooo emotional that you constantly forget/exclude factual information from your posts. First of all you couldn't just slap what ever you wanted their...be it your biker bar or whatever...because of zoning codes. Also people who will be buying these condos are real people you may want to preserve or create something that is more "real" but I'm not sure what that is. Job centers like UC, EPA, Tri-Health Alliance, Cincinnati Zoo, and XU all employee highly educated/highly paid individuals. These are the individuals that the Uptown Consortium is marketing the development to. They want to get those people back into the city away from the sprawling burbs and I don't see a problem with it. You must have some agenda against the university, but it is not the university who is having the final say. Residents have made it loud and clear that they do not want crappy food options (fast food) and they want a walkable inviiting community....if you don't want to take my word for it then go to a community meeting and LEARN for yourself. There is a meeting tonight with the Uptown neighborhoods from 4-7pm at the Holy Name Catholic Church about transportation options and strategies for the Uptown area. Developers guide their works to the demand of the neighborhoods and people they work with...otherwise their project would be unsuccessful. Once again I would advise you to be informed before you waste space on these threads. :-D
November 16, 200519 yr I agree Nati, I think that this development is critical to the vitality, and well-being of one of cincinnati's most treasured, and important neighborhoods. I think that this neghborhood has fallen into tough times, and has an opportunity to lift itself up and make the neighborhood, a more vibrant, walkable, neighborhood that responds directly to the needs and aspirations of its residents. I look foreward to seeing the new businesses move in and the start of the new building across the street. :-D
November 16, 200519 yr >It seems like we meet again....I'm not sure what your problem is with this development but it sure is serious. Go back and reread my dozen or so posts on this thread. >First of all you couldn't just slap what ever you wanted their...be it your biker bar or whatever...because of zoning codes. The very mention of "slap" leads me to believe you are thinking in idealistic, socialist ways. Insert a trendy restaurant here, insert a trendy coffee shop there, and presto, the world is a better place. "biker bar or whatever" leads me to believe there are are specific set of enterprises that matter in your mind, and everything else is just fuzz. The fact is riding motorcycles and biker bars are cooler than anything that's going to happen up there. > Also people who will be buying these condos are real people you may want to preserve or create something that is more "real" but I'm not sure what that is. Job centers like UC, EPA, Tri-Health Alliance, Cincinnati Zoo, and XU all employee highly educated/highly paid individuals. These are the individuals that the Uptown Consortium is marketing the development to. They want to get those people back into the city away from the sprawling burbs and I don't see a problem with it. I don't see a problem with that goal either, except they abused the power of eminent domain in order to aquire a footprint, are trumpeting new urbanism, when the Shell gas station will remain, and according to that one diagram "townhouses" will be built where a strip of row buildings, with family and locally-run businesses, stood on the south side of that block. Acropolis Chili and Inn The Wood, and anything else locally owned that owned their buildings, won't be able to own new locations in the new development. >You must have some agenda against the university, but it is not the university who is having the final say. Residents have made it loud and clear that they do not want crappy food options (fast food) Again, the bothersome fuzz that nips at your elitist sphere of activity. I've eaten fast food almost every day for ten years because I don't have the money for fancy food and wouldn't eat it anyway. >and they want a walkable inviiting community....if you don't want to take my word for it then go to a community meeting and LEARN for yourself. There is a meeting tonight with the Uptown neighborhoods from 4-7pm at the Holy Name Catholic Church about transportation options and strategies for the Uptown area. I go to community meetings and other things in my town all the time. I know the president and several high level administrators at my university on a first name basis. I know how these things work. A few people show up, and you can do a survey, but you're never getting close to 100% responses. >Once again I would advise you to be informed before you waste space on these threads. Well according to your profile you are 20, meaning I most likely have two more college degrees than you, have lived in and traveled to more cities around the country, have traveled to more countries, have had many more jobs, etc. I started the first Cincinnati urban site when you were lining your beanie babies up in a row.
November 16, 200519 yr You sound like the socialist. Whats wrong with having high priced options? You seem pretty "me" oriented. I don't mind smoke and haven't died - its okay. I eat fast food - everyone should. As for downplaying the community meetings. Just because only a few come, doesn't make them invalid. These are the people who actually give a hoot, and the people who don't bother to show their face are not worthy of representation. Its just like voting. But, I don't have as many "degrees" as you, and its not what you think, so just say its crap, and move on.
November 16, 200519 yr >Well according to your profile you are 20, meaning I most likely have two more college degrees than you, have lived in and traveled to more cities around the country, have traveled to more countries, have had many more jobs, etc. I started the first Cincinnati urban site when you were lining your beanie babies up in a row. Since it appears you would like to know about me let me fill you in on some more information...... -I worked for the Uptown Consortium for a brief time last year -I worked with MetroMoves on their lightrail initiative -I have completed extensive case studies on the Short Vine area (2 blocks from Calhoun) and Spring Grove neighborhoods (1-2 miles from Calhoun) and proposed recommendations for those areas. -I consistantly attend community/regional meetings reguarding the area and the city as a whole -I attend the accredited School of Planning at the University of Cincinnati -I am in the Planning Student Organization (affiliated with the American Planning Association) Now I do not question the amount of experience you may have; however, I do question the relevance of it. On top of all the things I have listed above I am in Uptown and in particular Calhoun and the university. I am not sure what your city is, I do know that when I hear of a development in Cleveland or Columbus or even Chicago I do not go making outlandish claims about the projects until I am fully informed on the topic. So please spare me the age topic because it is irrelevant......the amount of education you have and the places you have been does not make you informed about this development. It also seems to be that you are very stuck on this biker bar idea :| Lets talk demographics. The area is currently composed of lower income residents and students. The future of this area is a new infusion of possibly 30-40 year olds that are highly educated and earn high incomes. None of these three categories of individuals would demand your biker bar. The only bikes in this area are bicycles.
November 17, 200519 yr The future of this area is a new infusion of possibly 30-40 year olds that are highly educated and earn high incomes. None of these three categories of individuals would demand your biker bar. I find this to be an unfounded generalization. You mgiht be surprised how many bikers fit into the category you just described. I respect many of the points you made, but it seems in this case you are just as guilty of making broad unfounded generalizatiosn as jmecklenborg. Anyway....I am glad that Uptown is taking a turn to broaden the mix in the neighborhood. A good urban neighborhood should have a mix of the elite, funky, and income sensitive. It is my hope that the future develop includes a little of each population. It would make Uptown a vibrant yet fun place to live and work.
November 18, 200519 yr You have refused to respond to my core problems with this: The gas station (there's a BP 3 blocks away); the steamrolling of the row buildings on the south side of that same block to be replaced by "townhomes" and a surface lot; the bullying necessary to push out businesses in order to make this central block happen, the inevitable artificial atmosphere that will result from this new construction and attract chain businesses. >I am not sure what your city is, It's Cincinnati, brother. I was born a mile away from this mess at Bethesda Hospital, lived in town a total of 20 or 21 years. Go down on Elm St. and get a copy of my birth certificate if you don't believe me. >I do know that when I hear of a development in Cleveland or Columbus or even Chicago I do not go making outlandish claims about the projects until I am fully informed on the topic Why don't you respond directly to the issues I've raised? Is it because you are counting on getting letters of recommendation from these people and are afraid to call out (or perhaps don't recognize) their palaver? >So please spare me the age topic because it is irrelevant You said it, not me. >the amount of education you have and the places you have been does not make you informed about this development. Well, if checking out their website and reading news articles doesn't make me informed, then there's a problem with the kind of information they're willing to put in public, now isn't there? >I am in Uptown and in particular Calhoun and the university. BTW nobody from Cincinnati calls it uptown.
November 18, 200519 yr Jmecklenborg, you have shown time and time again a general dislike for people with money. Be it with college students using credit cards, suburban Nashville, Summit, Hyde Park etc. What seems to be the deal? I don't want to come to false conclusions but it seems to me to be jealousy and nothing else. Youd don't like this project because you wouldn't be able to afford to live there? is that it? because i can think of little else wrong with demolishing some shitty fast food chains for residential and better food places and retail. (yes demolishing Inn the Wood was a shame but, in the big scheme of things, not very important.)
November 18, 200519 yr Although Jmecklenborg is a bit harsh in his comments, he has some valid points. Some of us who are older remember the townhouses that lined the street before many of the fast food joints went in. And no one has responded to Jmeck's comments about the townhouses that were still there a few months ago. And to say "in the big scheme of things" businesses like In the Wood were "not very important is TOTALLY wrong. Those kinds of businesses make a neighborhood, and good neighborhoods make a great city. I live in the city, and want the amenities of a city. I do not want the same shit that is available at every shopping mall across the country. And no one has answered his question as to why the Shell gas station had to stay, but the restaurants couldn't. The whole project could'vbe been shifted eastward 100' and it would have been a better project totally.
November 18, 200519 yr This is all very true.....it is bad to see some of the townhouses go....as well as Inn the Wood....but there is the old saying that to make an omlette you have to break a few eggs. I think what edale meant by in the scheme of things that it is not very important that Inn the Wood went...is that yes it is a loss, but the postives that will come out of this project will eventually outweigh those negatives (townhouses, ITW). I am all about preserving things be it buildings the fabric of a neighborhood, but when you are dealing with an area such as Corryville something must be done to reverse the negative image that has been cast upon it. It is not a good/nice area, but it is also not as bad as what it is made out to be. As for the gas station...I have no response because it should not be left there. This is supposed to be a pedestrian oriented development and by leaving a gas station there you are only going to continue to attract cars to the area. People do call it "Uptown" jmeck......look at Metro Buses, signage in the area, references on the local news. Should the area really begin to thrive you will hear more and more people begin to use the termonology of "Uptown"
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