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Okay, enough of this...the namesake/legal birthplace of Euclidian zoning can't be that interesting.

pretty boring... but thanks... now my curiosity about Euclid has been satisfied

Yeah, looks bungalow-belt-ish but the commercial structures look somewhat interesting.

Hey hey hey, easy on my hometown. 

Euclid Fun fact: The Euclid Creek reservation was the first park of what would later become the metroparks.

 

Euclid Fun fact: The Euclid Creek reservation was the first park of what would later become the metroparks.

And what a beautiful park it is.

But you didn't go see the Polka Hall of Fame?

But you didn't go see the Polka Hall of Fame?

 

There is a picture above.

^Which one?  I don't see what I remember to be the Polka HoF.  Has it moved?

^Which one? I don't see what I remember to be the Polka HoF. Has it moved?

 

The old city hall.

Not exciting, perhaps, but well-kept. The cinema adds a splash of interest to the downtown.

Parma East?

^ no- that would be Eastlake

i've heard someone call Euclid "Parma-by-the-Sea." 

 

I think Euclid is more like Parma when it comes to housing stock and age.  They are both inner rings and both are (but less so now) heavily Eastern European.  Southern Parma and southern Euclid are both more varied when it comes to topography.  Eastlake has a lot of unfinished-looking, previously township development:  no sidewalks, ditches on the treelawns instead of sewers, homes without uniform setbacks.  The area described in Eastlake is mostly along Lakeshore and Vine west of 91.  The area close to North High, and Surfside are more Parma-y. 

I thought Eastlake was more "Brunswick?"  Not that I really care!  :wink:

 

Parma-by-the-Sea?!  LOL! :lol:

^yeah totally. Eastlake and Brunswick are both tuckys. 

 

and let me correct myself earlier, i get more of a Brook Park vibe out of the North High and Surfside areas than a Parma vibe. 

I can stand the ignorance of people that grew up in other cities on the subject of the Cleveland suburbs.

 

I can't stand for fellow Cleveland area folks who probably grew up on the Shaker Blvd. plateau mocking other Cleveland area places though. I mean, the working class folks had to live somewhere when people were stupidly fleeing the city, not all of them could afford houses near Cedar & Lee. Again, part of the reason the Cleveland area is a mess is because of these ignorant attitudes.

 

First off, just like Ink's thread on Lakewood...he shows none of the apartment buildings along the lakeshore. With Euclid in particular, he dosen't show the older A-frame housing closer to E. 185th and up towards Lake Shore Blvd. I think both threads show an incomplete aspect of both places.

 

Not saying Euclid is Paris, but it's not as bleak as this thread.

Actually, I think it's a decent representation of the residential/old downtown areas.  Just like he may have missed some A-frames near E. 185th, he also didn't show picture after picture of the uninteresting baby boom houses around the Forest Hill Middle School area.

 

One aspect of Euclid completely missing, though, is the large industrial areas south of I-90 along the two sets of railroad tracks.  To me, these really define Euclid as they (along with I-90) dramatically split the city in half.  The mostly vacant former Euclid Square Mall and Super K-Mart do this as well.

 

Architecturally, Euclid is fairly uninteresting.  It has nothing to do with being an elitist.  (And I didn't grow up on the Shaker plateau...I grew up in Wickliffe.)

Actually, I think it's a decent representation of the residential/old downtown areas.  Just like he may have missed some A-frames near E. 185th, he also didn't show picture after picture of the uninteresting baby boom houses around the Forest Hill Middle School area.

 

One aspect of Euclid completely missing, though, is the large industrial areas south of I-90 along the two sets of railroad tracks.  To me, these really define Euclid as they (along with I-90) dramatically split the city in half.  The mostly vacant former Euclid Square Mall and Super K-Mart do this as well.

 

Architecturally, Euclid is fairly uninteresting.  It has nothing to do with being an elitist.  (And I didn't grow up on the Shaker plateau...I grew up in Wickliffe.)

 

My grandfather worked at Lincoln Electric for 30+ years...so I know the area south of I-90 pretty well too. The rail line south of and parallel of I-90 was the true industrial & residental dividing line before the interstate was built. And again, I never said that Euclid was Paris, but I agree to disagree with your opinion on this being a fair/complete picture. You even kinda admitted it yourself.

 

Plus jam...you aren't running on about how Parma is like Eastlake and Euclid is like Brunswick, which is pretty silly to begin with. I have no beef with opposing opinions, just not ones that are mocking and incorrect.

"First off, just like Ink's thread on Lakewood...he shows none of the apartment buildings along the lakeshore. With Euclid in particular, he dosen't show the older A-frame housing closer to E. 185th and up towards Lake Shore Blvd. I think both threads show an incomplete aspect of both places."

 

While I understand where you're coming from, I think people are a little too quick to jump on those who visit a place, post photos of what they see, and discuss their impression based on what they saw.

 

How is Ink supposed to know (without a guided tour) about A-frames on E. 185th or the apartment buildings or anything else for that matter? Even if he did know and chose to omit them, that's his choice. I've been in Ink's position before - I visit a place, take some pics, and post based on what I saw. Then someone jumps all over me for not including something near-and-dear to them or they take one little comment that's not completely flattering and jump down my throat . Instead of me wanting to go back to pick up where I left off, I wonder if people are going to beat me up instead of appreciating the effort - f#ck it, I've got better ways to spend my time. It's not like we get paid to do this after all. At no point did Ink say this was or was intended to be a complete picture of anything.

 

I really don't think Ink deserves the criticism you've given him. The 'tucky' discussion is another matter.

 

"First off, just like Ink's thread on Lakewood...he shows none of the apartment buildings along the lakeshore. With Euclid in particular, he dosen't show the older A-frame housing closer to E. 185th and up towards Lake Shore Blvd. I think both threads show an incomplete aspect of both places."

 

While I understand where you're coming from, I think people are a little too quick to jump on those who visit a place, post photos of what they see, and discuss their impression based on what they saw.

 

How is Ink supposed to know (without a guided tour) about A-frames on E. 185th or the apartment buildings or anything else for that matter? Even if he did know and chose to omit them, that's his choice. I've been in Ink's position before - I visit a place, take some pics, and post based on what I saw. Then someone jumps all over me for not including something near-and-dear to them or they take one little comment that's not completely flattering and jump down my throat . Instead of me wanting to go back to pick up where I left off, I wonder if people are going to beat me up instead of appreciating the effort - f#ck it, I've got better ways to spend my time. At no point did Ink say this was or was intended to be a complete picture of anything.

 

I really don't think Ink deserves the criticism you've given him. The 'tucky' discussion is another matter.

 

 

That's a fair point, MayDay. I certainly didn't see it from that point of view.

Euclid is home of my favorite Disc Golf course....Sims Park!!!!

 

p.s. i think Euclid is interesting, and call me crazy, but the commercial areas remind me a little of Hilcrest on the outskirts of downtown San Diego.

i'd imagine that the geometry teachers are impeccable.  :laugh:

You know how many people aren't going to get that joke?! Too bad. I liked it.

 

And I like the pictures of Euclid. Thanks for sharing them.

You know how many people aren't going to get that joke?! Too bad. I liked it.

 

And I like the pictures of Euclid. Thanks for sharing them.

 

Euclidean Geometry, why would most people not get that? Most people on this board are pretty intelligent. Cleveland.com is a different story.

Fun Fact #2:

It was named Euclid because the surveyors from Connecticut that stayed in the Western Reserve Chose this area to live.  They named it after a hero of surveying, Euclid.

My grandfather worked at Lincoln Electric for 30+ years...so I know the area south of I-90 pretty well too. The rail line south of and parallel of I-90 was the true industrial & residental dividing line before the interstate was built. And again, I never said that Euclid was Paris, but I agree to disagree with your opinion on this being a fair/complete picture. You even kinda admitted it yourself.

 

Plus jam...you aren't running on about how Parma is like Eastlake and Euclid is like Brunswick, which is pretty silly to begin with. I have no beef with opposing opinions, just not ones that are mocking and incorrect.

 

Understood...I was just saying that even if he knew all of Euclid, I didn't think he was purposely trying to put it down.  I agree it's not a complete picture of Euclid, that's why I was filling in the gaps.  I do agree, however, that Euclid is a fairly uninteresting place architecturally, and was just pointing out that many of us can think that and not have grown up in rich neighborhoods ourselves.

Euclidean Geometry, why would most people not get that? Most people on this board are pretty intelligent. Cleveland.com is a different story.

 

Yeah, but most people here either have a life, don't give a rat's tail about geometry or never lived in Euclid and never asked who it was named after. That's why.

4 for 4.  :laugh:

I played hockey in Euclid with the youth program and then for Benedictine.....woot woot

I don't see why people are being negative about this town at all. I don't know a thing about Euclid what so ever, but I think it looks fairly nice and quaint.

Euclidean Geometry, why would most people not get that? Most people on this board are pretty intelligent. Cleveland.com is a different story.

 

Yeah, but most people here either have a life, don't give a rat's tail about geometry or never lived in Euclid and never asked who it was named after. That's why.

 

Good points.

The areas along Lakeshore around 200th are pretty classy looking.

 

Actually, I think it's a decent representation of the residential/old downtown areas.  Just like he may have missed some A-frames near E. 185th, he also didn't show picture after picture of the uninteresting baby boom houses around the Forest Hill Middle School area.

 

... it's Forest PARK Middle School.  I know because my mom and I would walk the dog around there, from Wickliffe (Woodway).  I have a deep dislike for those basementless brick ranches that are all nearly identical between 272nd, Forestview, the Wickliffe line, and 90. 

 

When it comes to the 'tucky' discussion, sure, the working class needs to live somewhere.  But does the area have to look so unfinished?  By unfinished I mean  having no curbs, gravelly streets, sewer ditches, no sidewalks.  Neighboring Willowick has virtually the same income, but pretty much every street there looks finished.  Part of the reason must be that Willowick incorporated in 1925 while Eastlake incorporated in 1948 from Willoughby Township.  My feeling is that older township development is just junkier looking due to looser zoning.  And no, I'm not advocating homeowners' associations.

 

One last thing, I'm much more aware of Eastlake than Brunswick.  I'm basically going off my friends from Strongsville who uniformly refer to it as Bruntucky.  I thought that's something everyone heard. 

 

I don't see why people are being negative about this town at all. I don't know a thing about Euclid what so ever, but I think it looks fairly nice and quaint.

 

Agreed. Not every town can be a showstopper.

^^Name one block of Euclid that does not have a sidewalk, or sewers

^I was referring to Eastlake. 

If you're from Wickliffe/Willowick....I really wouldn't be throwing stones at Euclid/Parma. If anything at least Euclid and Parma have ethnicity. ;)

I grew up around Edgecliff in the East 200's along the Lake, a rather dense assortment of larger houses.  It's quite a contrast to what is shown in this thread (although I did live in the bungalo area of Euclid as a tot).

... it's Forest PARK Middle School.  I know because my mom and I would walk the dog around there, from Wickliffe (Woodway).  I have a deep dislike for those basementless brick ranches that are all nearly identical between 272nd, Forestview, the Wickliffe line, and 90.

 

Thanks for correcting me.  I knew that, I guess I just had Forest Hill on my mind when I typed that.  I agree though about the ranches across the city line.

 

If you're from Wickliffe/Willowick....I really wouldn't be throwing stones at Euclid/Parma. If anything at least Euclid and Parma have ethnicity. ;)

 

Wickliffe is also known for being pretty ethnic, especially Italian.  And although I am glad I live somewhere else now, it was a lot nicer place to grow up than Mentor, where my family moved from when I was in 6th grade.  I also will add that arhcitecturally speaking Wickliffe is far more interesting than Willowick (Coulby Mansion and Park, some older houses along Ridge Rd., the late 1800s brick structures near Rockefeller/Euclid, the remnants of the Rockefeller estate, the seminary, tudors on Lloyd, etc.  Willowick is an extremely monotonous baby-boom bungalow suburb.  Wickliffe has its fair share of these areas, too, but there are scattered pockets of older buildings that you don't see in Willowick.

^^ Parma has Russians, Ukrainians, Italians, Polocks, Lithuanians, hell, even a small minority of Puerto Ricans and Dominicans.

 

Euclid has Croats, Serbs, (actually every former Yugoslavian enclave has representation in Euclid), Ukrainians, Polocks (the Polka HoF!), Italians.

 

I'm being very general here....there are lots of other European groups I'm sure I've under represented for both places.

 

I love the architecture of the orthodox churches in both cities.

 

Just so everyone is clear, I'm not trying to knock Euclid or Parma.  They are more urban burbs, walkable places built to a human scale.  Hell, my mom lives in Wickliffe and dad in Seven Hills.  In a previous post I extolled the virtues of growing up in a place that I could ride my bike to everything, and not have to depend on mom for transportation. 

 

Wickliffe has the same mix of former Yugoslavs as Euclid. 

 

The Polka HoF is in Euclid because of its Slovenian contingent, not Polish.  Here's a link describing how Cleveland-style polka is derived from Slovenian music:  http://www.clevelandstyle.com/about.html

 

and here's a wiki quote testifying Euclid's Slovenianness:  Euclid is home to a variety of ethnic groups, most notably Slovenian. There are a number of streets in Euclid that bear witness to the Slovenian influence on Euclid, including Recher, Mavec, Drenik, Grdina, Trebec, Mozina, Kapel, and Ljubljana.  (I should correct this, because Drenik is in Wickliffe, Mozina is in Collinwood, and Grdina is an elementary school in Cleveland)

 

It would be interesting to see, in a Jeffrey styled post, the ethnic sprawl trajectories in Cleveland.  For example, my grandparents when first coming from Slovenia (by way of Timmins, Ontario) moved to the East 60s & St. Clair area where it seemed that everyone was Slovenian.  They then rode a wave out to Collinwood where, again, there was a large Slovenian faction.  Their last stop was Wickliffe.  The Slovenians pretty much made a beeline northeast of their original settlement and sprawled into Lake County.  A similar case is for Poles, starting in Tremont (aka Southside), continuing south to Slavic Village (Warszawa), and making their way thru Garfield Hts and points south. 

 

I am half Slovenian and half Polish, more east sider than south. 

 

One last thing:  in the "downtown" area of Wickliffe (ha, right?) centered on Rockefeller & Euclid the residential architecture very much resembles Little Italy:  Large multifamily homes that stretch far into their backyards (however less dense).  Next time I'm in Wickliffe I'll need to do a photo tour. 

It seems that many ethnic groups follow main roads out of town.  The Italians seemed to head down Mayfield Rd. from Little Italy to Mayfield and now into Chesterland.  I really don't know how some got to Wickliffe, maybe they got lost.  The Eastern Europeans seem to have headed from the St. Vitus area up St. Clair to Collinwood to Euclid (and also some to Wickliffe).  The Jewish people went from the east side of Cleveland down Cedar Rd. to Cleveland Heights then University Heights and Beachwood (and now are apparently abandoning Cedar Rd. altogether and heading for Orange and Solon).  Irish and Germans seem to me to be west siders that headed down Lorain.

 

I'm rambling now.  What does this have to do with Euclid?  Not much.  But I'm bored at work.  And a Jeff-styled post will have to suffice until the real Jeffrey gives us his graphical-styled post.

^ Very interesting stuff guys.

 

I don't think Jeffery "does" Cleveland. I don't remember seeing any Cleveland posts at least (not that he is obligated to do so). Someone else will have to take on that initiative.

 

 

^i wish it could be me.  damn school in completely unrelated field!

 

also Middle Easterners down Lorain thru to North Olmsted. 

 

and how could we forget Wickliffe's Orthodox Jewish population with rabbinical college?  (actually they can be easy to overlook since their involvement in secular life is so minimal, they always ran away from me at Coulby)

 

sorry for derailing this into the town next door. 

Don't forget that Euclid is home to the East Side Irish American Club

The Italians seemed to head down Mayfield Rd. from Little Italy to Mayfield and now into Chesterland.  I really don't know how some got to Wickliffe, maybe they got lost.

 

They probably came from Collinwood, from Holy Redeemer Parish:

 

"Holy Redeemer Parish was organized to serve the Italian Catholics of Northeastern Cleveland known as Collinwood.  Most of the three hundred families had moved to this part of the city from the vicinity of Holy Rosary Parish.  The distance to and from Holy Rosary Church was found too difficult to travel in those early days.  Many attended Mass in the near-by churches of St. Joseph and St. Mary?s.  As the numbers increased, plans were made to found a parish for the Italian speaking Catholics.  The Most Reverend Joseph Schrembs S.T.D., fifth Bishop of Cleveland, saw the great need of a parish for the Italians of Collinwood, and consequently sanctioned the formation of the parish in June 1924."

 

True, I always forget that Collinwood had a large Italian population.

The first Wickliffe Italians came before any outsprawling from Collinwood: 

 

from http://www.cityofwickliffe.com/html/history.htm

 

"Early residents and wealthy Clevelanders who had established large estates here, wished to retain the country atmosphere, so industrialization was discouraged. Most of the residents of Italian ancestry arrived during the 1900's from Campobasso, Italy. They worked as gardeners on the large estates or on the railroads."

Fun Fact #2:

It was named Euclid because the surveyors from Connecticut that stayed in the Western Reserve Chose this area to live.  They named it after a hero of surveying, Euclid.

 

My favorite part of this is something I've read in a couple histories of the Western Reserve.  A bunch of the men left at camp in Conneaut became dissatisfied for some reason or another (working conditions, etc) and demanded compensation above their agreed upon pay.  I guess to appease them Cleaveland drew up plots of land for them in the township, with lakefront property for each and a farm in the south.  They named it Euclid.

The first Wickliffe Italians came before any outsprawling from Collinwood: 

 

from http://www.cityofwickliffe.com/html/history.htm

 

"Early residents and wealthy Clevelanders who had established large estates here, wished to retain the country atmosphere, so industrialization was discouraged. Most of the residents of Italian ancestry arrived during the 1900's from Campobasso, Italy. They worked as gardeners on the large estates or on the railroads."

 

My family is from Campobasso and my great grandfather was a servant at a large estate (not sure where however).  He actually would have married the daughter of the wealthy industrialist, but the thought of his daughter basically marrying a peasant didn't go over very well.

I remain in the middle class to this day.

The family eventually followed the Collinwood-Euclid-Mentor path.

Crazy to see some of this information on UO.

I've always thought that Euclid was a nice town that really never figured out that its most interesting is the lakeshore, then again neither did most of the towns along the lake. I live in Willowick and in comparison, Euclid is fantastic architecturally.