December 9, 20195 yr yep, not so good --- foreign born x select places: st. louis 4.1% cinci 4.6 % cle 5.2% pitts 5.8% cuyahoga co. 7.1% greater indy 8.8% milwaukee 9.8% cols 11% charlotte 15% denver 16%
December 9, 20195 yr On 8/17/2019 at 1:14 PM, PoshSteve said: It's always been interesting to me that Russians primarily congregated in the Beachwood-Mayfield Hts-Cleveland Hts triangle, while Ukrainians primarily settled in Parma. I wonder what started that pattern. Cleveland Heights and Beachwood? I thought those folks were congregating in Mayfield Vill., Mayfield Hts. and Highland Heights. ??♂️
December 10, 20195 yr On 12/6/2019 at 11:40 AM, KFM44107 said: That's 120,000 immigrants total in the region, not in a year. Still a pretty big number. 120K isn't so much, actually compared to what we once had in the city.... This table and text below is what I posted in the Cleveland Population thread on Sept 26, 2019, below. Its not the full Cleveland metro--just the city and Cuyahoga County. "The one set I did look at was on citizenship to see the number of non citizens and naturalized foreign born to get a sense of ethnic diversity of Cleveland. Our numbers are really low, unfortunately--only 5.7% of the city at 22,000 people. I then also added PR (US citizens) which contribute to the diversity and helped our numbers a bit."
December 10, 20195 yr 5 hours ago, MyTwoSense said: Cleveland Heights and Beachwood? I thought those folks were congregating in Mayfield Vill., Mayfield Hts. and Highland Heights. ??♂️ They're in Cleveland Hts around Coventry. It seems to be an older community. When I worked at the bank in CH I had alot of older customers who would only allow me to wait on them, since I could do their transactions in Russian. Beachwood unsurprisingly has alot of Russian Jews. Now that I work for South Euclid, I've learned there are also alot of Russians there, both Jew and Gentile, particularly around Cedar Center, and in the northeast towards Highland Hts. The more recent Russian immigrants, and thus the most outwardly Russian, seem to be the ones in the Mayfield Hts area.
December 10, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, PoshSteve said: They're in Cleveland Hts around Coventry. It seems to be an older community. When I worked at the bank in CH I had alot of older customers who would only allow me to wait on them, since I could do their transactions in Russian. Beachwood unsurprisingly has alot of Russian Jews. Now that I work for South Euclid, I've learned there are also alot of Russians there, both Jew and Gentile, particularly around Cedar Center, and in the northeast towards Highland Hts. The more recent Russian immigrants, and thus the most outwardly Russian, seem to be the ones in the Mayfield Hts area. Interesting. I guess you don't work with the ones in wearing 90s Gucci/bold prints and chains.
March 1, 20205 yr Redirected from the nuCLEus thread...... 3 hours ago, cadmen said: I'll be the first to say it (this time). Ohio has become a backward state for a reason and the make-up of our state leaders is a primary example. Then again maybe they DO reflect us so let's all just look in the mirror and hey, what do you know, there's the problem. I just got back from visiting family in Texas (don't like Texas but that's another story). So I was taken to see the new Ranger's ballpark (retractable roof natch) and the new TexasLive that's nestled between the not so old ballpark, the new one and Jerry's world. I mentioned to my brother-in-law that everything went up very fast. His response; that how its done here. In Texas the competition is not just with other states but with each other. If one city builds something the others all jump in with their own version so they don't lose face and get left behind. I'm not saying any and all development is good but it sure puts a fresh face on getting things done. I love Ohio and I am a Midwesterner first and foremost but it sure is hard explaining why we can't seem to build things in a timely fashion while the Sun Belt eats our lunch. Sure, I know they have the weather and people moving there by the millions ensures new things get built but that doesn't explain our go it slow mindset. The biggest difference I see between the Midwest and the Sun Belt is attitude. 3 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said: Wait, Arlington built ANOTHER new Rangers Stadium? That’s obscene! I mean, it’s one thing if a dumpy ballpark or arena gets renovated or replaced, but if the existing place is nice it is inexcusable to be wasting money on a replacement. And the biggest difference between the Midwest and the Sunbelt is weather, period. The biggest difference isn't the weather otherwise Minneapolis, Boston or Toronto or many other Canadian cities wouldn't be growing... Why is San Jose Growing While Cleveland Shrinks? Maybe It’s Immigration and Not the Weather https://eig.org/news/research_articles/maybe-its-immigration-not-the-weather Edited March 1, 20205 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 1, 20205 yr 32 minutes ago, KJP said: Redirected from the nuCLEus thread...... Uh, no the biggest difference isn't the weather otherwise Minneapolis, Boston or Toronto or many other Canadian cities wouldn't be growing... Why is San Jose Growing While Cleveland Shrinks? Maybe It’s Immigration and Not the Weather https://eig.org/news/research_articles/maybe-its-immigration-not-the-weather Toronto, Minneapolis, and Boston are all much better models for Cleveland to follow than anything in the sunbelt. And I like the idea of emphasizing immigration as a path to growth. I’m simply saying that the idea that the Dallas metroplex is growing because they built a new baseball stadium is silly. Invest in transit and education. Connect people to jobs. Encourage immigration to the area. Growth will follow. A new football or baseball stadium here wouldn’t have anywhere near the same impact. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
March 1, 20205 yr I doubt those cities have a mayor who says nonsense like "I believe in taking care of your own" as well. Not exactly the most welcoming language.
March 1, 20205 yr My point about the new Ranger's ballpark and the TexasLive wasn't that we need a new stadium but that they built the whole complex in what seemed like no time. And that mentality permeates their thinking i.e. get it done! In Ohio we don't think that way. There is no sense of urgency by all concerned. I was a volunteer for one year recently with Refugee Response. I did it because I love interacting with other cultures (lived overseas before) and understand that we need new blood to grow the region. My guy was from the Congo. It was a great experience and I hope his transition to CLE was helped by my efforts.
March 2, 20205 yr Why is Texas growing so fast? Oil wealth. Everything else is just icing on that cake.
March 2, 20205 yr I think its a lot more than oil. That's important sure, but the one constant I hear whenever I visit and talk with people is their belief in making, creating or building things whether its a shed in the back or a company. They just make up their mind and do it. Its an attitude. Throw in their idea that govt. just gets in the way, generally lower taxes and you have a climate ripe for growth. Just sayin' we could learn from that. 'Course on the downside all that comes with a fervent belief in guns and God. Apparently in Texas you can't separate it.
March 3, 20205 yr the metroplex sure is a lot more than just oil wealth. and lets not forget cle had a lock on the oil wealth industry way back when at one time too. ie., dart expansion also seems can do and future needs oriented to an extent: https://www.dart.org/about/expansion/cottonbelt.asp
March 3, 20205 yr 19 hours ago, cadmen said: I think its a lot more than oil. That's important sure, but the one constant I hear whenever I visit and talk with people is their belief in making, creating or building things whether its a shed in the back or a company. They just make up their mind and do it. Its an attitude. Throw in their idea that govt. just gets in the way, generally lower taxes and you have a climate ripe for growth. Just sayin' we could learn from that. 'Course on the downside all that comes with a fervent belief in guns and God. Apparently in Texas you can't separate it. The guns, probably not. The God part, there's always Austin. ?
March 3, 20205 yr otoh, if you have any unfortunate circumstances, you will more quickly than elsewhere find yourself sleeping under a bridge in texas or dying of something fixable, ie., they perennially have highest rates of lack of healthcare. apparently their god is cool with all that down there.
March 17, 20214 yr maybe the city or now marcia fudge or somebody can arrange for the cle to get a good piece of the annual diversity visa lotto winners? that would bring some very interesting immigrants from less heralded immigrant nations to the area: Have you heard an immigrant in your community talking about how he or she “won the lottery?” In all likelihood, the lottery your neighbor is talking about is the Diversity Visa program, which is administered by the Department of State as a way to increase the diversity of the immigrants coming to live in the United States. Each year, the Diversity Visa program allows 50,000 randomly selected people—only from countries that don’t send many immigrants to the United States—to obtain permanent residency (commonly called a “green card”). It’s a way for individuals and families who otherwise wouldn’t have any way to legally immigrate to the United States to get a green card. Entering the Diversity Visa lottery (aka green card lottery) involves filling out a simple form online, and it doesn’t cost anything. You can enter the lottery every year from early October through early November. The winners are selected at random by a computer, and they and their immediate families receive green cards.
March 22, 20214 yr how 'bout them buckeyes? ... i mean marshall islands? i did not know anything about this, but saw something about it recently on the public tv station. springdale, arkansas of all places has 12k marshallese living there and there are 15k in the region. immigration picked up in the 1980s and many folks went to work at tyson foods. the marshall islands are a protectorate of the usa, so they are not full citizens, but have lots of rights to come and be in the usa. springdale and the mayor's office there help them to obtain full citizenship. maybe cle can go for a niche migrant group to adopt like that? https://www.mei.ngo/marshallese-in-arkansas
May 27, 20214 yr cols and cinci are in on this recent midwest immigration boom, but where is the cle? https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/american-heartland-cities-are-the-fast-growing-immigration-hubs/ar-AAKp0xD
May 27, 20214 yr From the article you are referring to “Heartland Forward” of foreign born percent change. Big cities performed poorly. But we should wait to do any census analysis until the decennial numbers are released because we saw the estimates were wildly off. Especially in places like New York and Jersey. Edited May 27, 20214 yr by bwheats
May 27, 20214 yr 9 hours ago, Pugu said: ^Is there a key for the different colors? I don't even see this graphic in the article.
May 27, 20214 yr Here's an Axios article which includes the graphic and a key. https://www.axios.com/immigration-heartland-america-immigrants-jobs-arkansas-94e1101b-a8dc-48fe-a320-9db24fbae6d8.html And this report has a little more detail. https://heartlandforward.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/GlobalHeartlandFinal.pdf I love the narrative of explosive immigration growth in the "heartland," but I would want to see more data points (i.e. previous trends, absolute immigration numbers) before thinking too much of the data. The trends in most cities could be adequately explained as regression to the mean. Because, on a basic level, OBVIOUSLY, the biggest percentage increases in immigrant populations will come in cities that have lower starting immigrant populations. E.G. In 1,000,000 person City A, where 1% of the population is immigrant, if you have a 10% increase in residents over ten years and 1/5 of them are immigrants, your immigrant population will have more than doubled. In 1,000,000 person City B, where 50% of the population is immigrant, if you have a 10% increase in residents over ten years and 1/5 of them are immigrants, your immigrant population will have grown by a much smaller percentage. Cities A and B receive exactly the same immigrant and non-immigrant inflow, but City A looks great according to the Heartland metric and City B looks bad. Regression to the mean may not erase the whole story, but you do have to account for it. Edited May 27, 20214 yr by LlamaLawyer
May 27, 20214 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 27, 20214 yr Two other factors to point out re the above. 1) This is based on census estimates, which we know are off by 110,000 for Ohio. That will change the numbers. 2) As far as how Cleveland stacks up against Columbus and Cincinnati, don't forget that the Cleveland metro has been losing population, while Columbus and Cinci Metros have been gaining. In a sense, gaining immigrant population while losing overall may be more significant than gaining immigrant population while gaining overall.
June 22, 20213 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 24, 20213 yr How fast can we build 20,000+ homes near transit in Cleveland + surrounding areas? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 24, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: How fast can we build 20,000+ homes near transit in Cleveland + surrounding areas? From a moral perspective, I love this, no matter where the Afghan citizens go. From a development perspective, how do we get them here, lol?
June 24, 20213 yr Agreed, except that they should be coming to the US proper. An isolated territorial island like Guam seems like a setup for a human rights disaster.
June 24, 20213 yr 46 minutes ago, X said: Agreed, except that they should be coming to the US proper. An isolated territorial island like Guam seems like a setup for a human rights disaster. I think they’re talking about Guam as a temporary measure until the INS paperwork goes through.
August 20, 20213 yr Cross-posted in the Cleveland population thread THURSDAY, AUGUST 19, 2021 Cleveland works to welcome Afghanistan refugees With Cleveland being listed by the U.S. State Department as one of 19 cities suggested for resettlement of Afghan and Iraqi refugees, numerous local organizations are ramping up efforts to attract as many as possible in light of the crisis in Afghanistan. But they need your help as soon as possible. This evening, representatives of the local organizations and charities who aid new refugees and immigrants to Greater Cleveland are meeting to design their offer to the State Department. The more help that Greater Cleveland can pledge now, the more Afghans and Iraqis can resettle here. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/08/cleveland-works-to-attract-afghanistan.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 20, 20213 yr wow that is great news that clev is finally on a designated refugee city list --- geez its about time! one probably immediate bonus for locals is -- get ready for some tasty afghani food -- here is a sample menu to familiarize with: http://www.ariananewyorkcity.com
August 20, 20213 yr come one, come all, but may i suggest making a push for inviting afghani artist and writer types: https://hyperallergic.com/670491/afghan-artists-and-writers-urge-us-to-keep-embassy-open/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WiR082021&utm_content=WiR082021+CID_6c5f977ffe01096305bbc98098c4fb3b&utm_source=hn&utm_term=calls for the US to keep its embassy open https://hyperallergic.com/670962/pen-america-issues-dire-warning-after-members-reportedly-murdered-by-taliban/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WiR082021&utm_content=WiR082021+CID_6c5f977ffe01096305bbc98098c4fb3b&utm_source=hn&utm_term=calling for urgent protections
August 26, 20213 yr Close to 60 Afghan refugees arrive in Cleveland, officials say CLEVELAND (WJW) – Northeast Ohio is playing a crucial role in helping people in Afghanistan who are seeking refuge from the Taliban. According to Global Cleveland, close to 60 Afghan refugees have arrived in Cleveland. “We will see more and more people as the days go on and people are vetted and their paperwork goes through,” said Global Cleveland President Joe Cimperman. https://fox8.com/news/close-to-60-afghan-refugees-arrive-in-cleveland-officials-say/ Can't read it...but also from Cleveland.com More than 30 Afghan refugees have arrived in Cleveland, and the city is prepared to receive more Updated: Aug. 26, 2021, 12:41 a.m. | Published: Aug. 25, 2021, 2:07 p.m. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2021/08/more-than-30-afghan-refugees-have-arrived-in-cleveland-and-the-city-is-prepared-to-receive-more.html Edited August 26, 20213 yr by MuRrAy HiLL
August 26, 20213 yr As a volunteer mentor at Refugee Response l can attest that the people l have worked with are a welcome addition to the city. They come here with nothing and all they want are what we want; a safe environment and an opportunity to make a living and take care of their family. You know, just like the rest of us regular Americans.
August 27, 20213 yr Some interesting data points from Cimperman of Global Cleveland: "And we’re just hoping....that we can welcome up to 2,000 people. You know, our infrastructure can sustain it. " Currently, "we’ve got a community of over 500 [Afghans] in the city of Cleveland and close to 2,000 in the region." https://wcpn.ideastream.org/news/more-than-30-afghan-refugees-now-with-their-families-in-cleveland
August 27, 20213 yr Link to donate as well: How to help Afghan refugees coming to Cleveland https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/how-to-help-afghan-refugees-coming-to-cleveland Cleveland Afghan woman hopes to reconnect with family trapped in Afghanistan https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/cleveland-afghan-woman-hopes-to-reconnect-with-family-trapped-in-afghanistan
October 8, 20213 yr 8 new Afghan families arriving this week in Cleveland: Edited October 8, 20213 yr by MuRrAy HiLL
October 8, 20213 yr ^With the 8 new families, how many new (this year) Afghan refugees total have been placed in Cleveland?
October 8, 20213 yr 5 hours ago, Pugu said: ^With the 8 new families, how many new (this year) Afghan refugees total have been placed in Cleveland? I personally do not know, but I bet these 8 new families will put Cleveland at over 100 people by now. EDIT: according to this article , Cleveland is set to receive 285 total people across three non-profit organizations (85 + 100 + 100). Akron is also receiving 150: https://www.cleveland.com/news/2021/09/northeast-ohio-will-welcome-more-than-400-afghan-evacuees-through-state-departments-afghan-placement-and-assistance-program.html Edited October 8, 20213 yr by MuRrAy HiLL
October 8, 20213 yr 7 hours ago, MuRrAy HiLL said: I personally do not know, but I bet these 8 new families will put Cleveland at over 100 people by now. EDIT: according to this article , Cleveland is set to receive 285 total people across three non-profit organizations (85 + 100 + 100). Akron is also receiving 150: https://www.cleveland.com/news/2021/09/northeast-ohio-will-welcome-more-than-400-afghan-evacuees-through-state-departments-afghan-placement-and-assistance-program.html Thanks. I was finally able to read it. It said Ohio is get 855, but we are only getting 285?!? That's only a third! We should be getting most of the group that is assigned to Ohio.
October 8, 20213 yr 35 minutes ago, Pugu said: Thanks. I was finally able to read it. It said Ohio is get 855, but we are only getting 285?!? That's only a third! We should be getting most of the group that is assigned to Ohio. Half are going to Cleveland and Akron. I think that a decent portion for NEO. Let's hope we can get more immigrants.
October 8, 20213 yr it seems there aren't as many as afghan refugees we thought there would be. or they are more spread out around the country than we thought. any insights on this??
October 8, 20213 yr ^I often go into the infamous Jack's World on 32nd St. and there's an employee I talk to regularly who's Afghan. His English isn't great but somehow we can communicate at least a little. Lately I've tried to avoid him, not knowing exactly what to say. I imagine he has relatives back home who might be in fear or trying to flee. I'll look for him the next time I go in. http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
October 8, 20213 yr 5 hours ago, Pugu said: Thanks. I was finally able to read it. It said Ohio is get 855, but we are only getting 285?!? That's only a third! We should be getting most of the group that is assigned to Ohio. Yep, looks like most immigrants are going to Columbus: Columbus 345 Cleveland 285 Akron 150 Cincinnati 50 Toledo 25 https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/ohio-receiving-855-displaced-afghans-345-columbus-toledo-akron-cleveland-cincinnati-9-16-2021 Edited October 8, 20213 yr by MuRrAy HiLL
October 9, 20213 yr 9 hours ago, MuRrAy HiLL said: Yep, looks like most immigrants are going to Columbus: Columbus 345 Cleveland 285 Akron 150 Cincinnati 50 Toledo 25 https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/ohio-receiving-855-displaced-afghans-345-columbus-toledo-akron-cleveland-cincinnati-9-16-2021 Columbus? Those poor people--haven't they been through enough? If the Taliban didn't kill them, boredom will.
October 9, 20213 yr 12 minutes ago, Pugu said: Columbus? Those poor people--haven't they been through enough? If the Taliban didn't kill them, boredom will. They’re all going to end up in Northern Virginia and the Sacramento area anyway. These nationwide resettlement locations are just a pit stop. Edited October 9, 20213 yr by brtshrcegr
October 9, 20213 yr 6 hours ago, Pugu said: Columbus? Those poor people--haven't they been through enough? If the Taliban didn't kill them, boredom will. Funny, but seriously doesn't Columbus already have a larger Islamic community that's done a decent job of assimilating?
October 11, 20213 yr On 10/8/2021 at 11:41 PM, brtshrcegr said: They’re all going to end up in Northern Virginia and the Sacramento area anyway. These nationwide resettlement locations are just a pit stop. The Afghan refugees won't necessarily end up moving to other states, or that Afghans resettled in other states won't end up in Ohio. It will depend largely on familial/cultural connections or employment. If there is family or at least some number of people with similar nationality or culture, they are likely to stay in Ohio. Columbus got its massive Bhutanese population not from them being resettled there, but later moving there because they knew people. Same with many Somalis who weren't originally resettled in Columbus. Most immigrant groups work this way, really. When you go to a new country, at least the first generation likes to be around people and culture that is familiar, and by the 2nd-3rd generations, the connections with the location are well-established and so remain permanently. Edited October 11, 20213 yr by jonoh81
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