June 19, 20222 yr cle needs a heck of a lot of work on upping its pan-asian game: foreign Asian numbers for growth between 2010-2020: New York City: 228,149 Los Angeles: 162,444 San Francisco: 162,342 Dallas/Fort Worth: 161,809 Houston: 145,275 Seattle/Tacoma: 139,777 San Jose: 123,354 Washington DC: 110,879 Atlanta: 89,740 Chicago: 87,233 Detroit: 84,283 Boston: 81,653 Philadelphia: 64,586 Sacramento: 57,422 Phoenix: 56,191 San Diego: 54,772 Riverside/San Bernardino: 53,222 Austin: 43,588 Las Vegas: 41,077 Charlotte: 40,733 Columbus: 32,391 Minneapolis/St. Paul: 32,345 Portland, OR: 31,042 Tampa: 29,334 Denver: 28,033 Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 27,651 Baltimore: 26,718 Raleigh: 25,918 Indianapolis: 25,777 San Antonio: 22,996 Orlando: 20,151 Nashville: 19,048 Kansas City: 16,936 Salt Lake City: 14,691 St. Louis: 14,291 Pittsburgh: 14,130 Hartford: 11,910 Richmond: 10,899 Cincinnati: 10,611 Louisville: 8,451 Providence: 8,038 Cleveland: 7,533 Virginia Beach: 6,912 New Orleans: 5,033
June 19, 20222 yr ^ Holy cow that's surprising. Some Asian investors made that really awesome CLE promo video a few years ago. I swear the cinematography made the city look top tier.....I'm guessing it was not as effective as I had hoped.
June 20, 20222 yr How is Detroit right behind Chicago?? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 20, 20222 yr I assume these are metro numbers. In which case, it is not good at all for cleveland. Edited June 20, 20222 yr by freefourur
June 20, 20222 yr 41 minutes ago, KJP said: How is Detroit right behind Chicago?? Probably due to the massive Arab population in Dearborn, and they're often described as Asian in these kinds of reports.
July 21, 20222 yr Hundreds of Ukrainian Refugees coming to Cleveland need your help By: Nadeen Abusada Posted at 6:25 PM, Jul 13, 2022 and last updated 7:44 PM, Jul 13, 2022 CLEVELAND — Over the past few months, hundreds of Ukrainian refugees have made their way to Cleveland and now they are looking for jobs and assistance. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/national/russia-ukraine-conflict/hundreds-of-ukrainian-refugees-coming-to-cleveland-need-your-help
July 29, 20222 yr Immigration = economic development. Want your city to grow with more people and jobs for everyone? Invite immigrants! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 29, 20222 yr The country, both right and left, has been agitating for "complete overhaul" of our immigration system for years and years. Congress should be holding hearings, trying to find a compromise path to a fix. More legal immigration, better vetting, and more controls at the border (including the not-such-a-deterrent Wall) should be on the table for discussion.
July 29, 20222 yr ^ Agreed, but it doesn't really matter what the majority want. In today's toxic and divisive political climate Congress (Republicans more so than Democrats) has a hard time voting for something that the American people want if it will give the other side a victory. Ex: Congress could get something done with the border but Republicans prefer to keep it as a political talking point rather than vote for something even they want because they don't want to give the Democrats a victory.
August 16, 20222 yr New Syrian restaurant by immigrants: Family bringing a taste of Syria to new restaurant on Cleveland's west side https://www.wkyc.com/amp/article/life/food/syrian-restaurant-opening-cleveland-west-side/95-d45e80ae-d6f2-4c29-ad06-17cc488a17bf Edited August 16, 20222 yr by MuRrAy HiLL
August 22, 20222 yr Ukrainian refugees seek, offer hope By Ken Prendergast / August 22, 2022 While NEOtrans normally covers real estate developments and other business activities in Greater Cleveland, we also occasionally cover economic trends. Those trends, such as the city of Cleveland and Cuyahoga County adding more working-age population and creating more jobs than many Sunbelt economic powerhouses, also drive business growth and real estate development. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2022/08/22/ukrainian-refugees-seek-offer-hope/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 22, 20222 yr Small steps, but Cleveland, in conjunction with the state and federal government, really needs a formalized Law of Return. The city has such uniquely, deeply rooted Eastern European ties that it should be considered a second home to them, and that Bibb/DeWine/Biden develop the means for this Aliyah. Never in a million years, but it would be nice.
August 22, 20222 yr 21 minutes ago, TBideon said: Bibb/DeWine/Biden develop the means for this Aliyah. I do hope they develop the means for THIS Aaliyah
August 22, 20222 yr 3 hours ago, TBideon said: Small steps, but Cleveland, in conjunction with the state and federal government, really needs a formalized Law of Return. The city has such uniquely, deeply rooted Eastern European ties that it should be considered a second home to them, and that Bibb/DeWine/Biden develop the means for this Aliyah. Never in a million years, but it would be nice. for my aliyah i want to go up and read this torah story: 😮😂 Kings II Chapter 2 The prophet Elijah doesn’t die; he ascends to heaven in a chariot. But before he leaves he gives Elisha a double portion of his spirit (whatever that means), and Elisha performs a series of wild miracles, including summoning two bears to mangle 42 unruly children.
October 13, 20222 yr are any venezuelans or others in the current refugee wave showing up? looks like another big opportunity for cle immigration to bring in some folks: “The overwhelming majority of these individuals are from Venezuela, with a smaller number from Colombia,” said Ian Martin, a spokesman for the nonprofit. “There have also been a small number of clients arriving from Honduras, Peru, and Haiti.” more: https://gothamist.com/news/as-adams-declares-state-of-emergency-what-caused-the-migrant-crisis-in-nyc
October 13, 20222 yr I don't know but my wife is a case manager for USCRI in Cleveland and has been working for them since July. She handles Ukrainian refugees and is swamped. I asked her yesterday how many cases is she handling right now, expecting her say something in the tens. Instead, she said "hundreds." "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 19, 20222 yr looks like there is a russian dispora cleveland and ne ohio could easily welcome in as well: Where Have All the Men in Moscow Gone? October 19, 2022 MOSCOW — Friday afternoons at the Chop-Chop Barbershop in central Moscow used to be busy, but at the beginning of a recent weekend, only one of the four chairs was occupied. “We would usually be full right now, but about half of our customers have gone,” said the manager, a woman named Olya. Many of the clients — along with half of the barbers, too — have fled Russia to avoid President Vladimir V. Putin’s campaign to mobilize hundreds of thousands of men for the flagging military campaign in Ukraine. *** No one knows exactly how many men have departed since Mr. Putin announced what he called his “partial mobilization.’’ But hundreds of thousands of men are gone. Mr. Putin said Friday that at least 220,000 had been drafted. At least 200,000 men went to neighboring Kazakhstan, which Russians can enter without a passport, according to the authorities there. Tens of thousands of others have fled to Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Israel, Argentina and Western Europe. “I feel like we are a country of women now,” Stanislava, a 33-year-old photographer, said at a recent birthday party that was attended mostly by women. “I was searching for male friends to help me move some furniture, and I realized almost all of them had left.” more: https://dnyuz.com/2022/10/19/where-have-all-the-men-in-moscow-gone/
October 19, 20222 yr My wife works for the US Committee on Refugees and Immigration at their Cleveland office and all of their offices, including their national office, are sending most of their Ukrainian refugee cases to Cleveland. The reason is the USCRI Cleveland office has more Ukrainian staff than all the others combined. For now, that means the paperwork is being sent here, not necessarily the refugees. But it is causing some refugees to inquire about moving to Cleveland, if they can find sponsors and housing here. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 19, 20222 yr With the large Ukrainian population in Parma, that should bode well for refugees to consider moving here.
October 19, 20222 yr 16 minutes ago, KJP said: My wife works for the US Committee on Refugees and Immigration at their Cleveland office and all of their offices, including their national office, are sending most of their Ukrainian refugee cases to Cleveland. The reason is the USCRI Cleveland office has more Ukrainian staff than all the others combined. For now, that means the paperwork is being sent here, not necessarily the refugees. But it is causing some refugees to inquire about moving to Cleveland, if they can find sponsors and housing here. Aren't a lot of them already going back, now that the Russians have been pretty much repulsed? Much like Croatians when Croatia became a nation again, and for that matter my great grandparents and grandmother when Poland did.
October 19, 20222 yr 43 minutes ago, E Rocc said: Aren't a lot of them already going back, now that the Russians have been pretty much repulsed? Much like Croatians when Croatia became a nation again, and for that matter my great grandparents and grandmother when Poland did. LOL No. Not when Ukrainian cities are being bombed more intensely now than at any time since the spring (no thanks to Iran, too), including going after utilities to attempt to freeze Ukrainians this winter. We're already making arrangements to send solar-powered generators and battery back-ups to relatives and friends in Ukraine. Hopefully they'll arrive before winter is over. Follow my Ukrainian news in that Ukraine section in Current Events. There's a reason numerous nations are urging their embassy staffs and citizens to leave Kyiv again. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 20, 20222 yr 9 hours ago, E Rocc said: Aren't a lot of them already going back, now that the Russians have been pretty much repulsed? Much like Croatians when Croatia became a nation again, and for that matter my great grandparents and grandmother when Poland did. lol wat are you putin’s pr rep? so disingenuous …
October 20, 20222 yr 10 hours ago, E Rocc said: Aren't a lot of them already going back, now that the Russians have been pretty much repulsed? Much like Croatians when Croatia became a nation again, and for that matter my great grandparents and grandmother when Poland did. Do you actually read the news. As @KJP pointed out in previous posts upthread, I’ll spell it out you like a third grader. Ukrainian cities are being bombed my Iranian drones purchased by Russia. It’s that’s simple. Stop watching the Russian Fox News Channel. Jesus H
October 20, 20222 yr Aren't a lot of them already going back, now that the Russians have been pretty much repulsed? Much like Croatians when Croatia became a nation again, and for that matter my great grandparents and grandmother when Poland did.Croatians went back to Croatia after it became a nation again? Do you mean Croatians that came to Cleveland after World War II and/or during the Yugoslavian communist period from ‘45 to ‘91? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
November 27, 20222 yr An article in yesterday's WSJ says over 85,000 Ukrainian refugees are expected in the US this year. The method of admission follows an expedited version of established State Dept. pathes that include private sponsorship. Under a program called Uniting for Ukraine 171,000 American households have applied to be sponsors; 121,000 Ukrainian applicants have been approved; and roughly 85,000 have arrived in the US since April. Hope a bunch of those sponsors are in Cleveland. https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-russia-war-immigration-refugees-11669241333?mod=Searchresults_pos1&page=1 Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
November 28, 20222 yr meanwhile, monterrey is hoovering up migrants and a-boomin: This affluent city in Mexico has become a way station for migrants with eyes on Texas Alfredo Corchado - The Dallas Morning News (TNS) 4 hrs ago more: https://www.dailyitem.com/wire/this-affluent-city-in-mexico-has-become-a-way-station-for-migrants-with-eyes-on/article_c58a3a41-9888-540a-b795-5bab25ecf381.html
November 28, 20222 yr 11 minutes ago, mrnyc said: meanwhile, monterrey is hoovering up migrants and a-boomin: This affluent city in Mexico has become a way station for migrants with eyes on Texas Alfredo Corchado - The Dallas Morning News (TNS) 4 hrs ago more: https://www.dailyitem.com/wire/this-affluent-city-in-mexico-has-become-a-way-station-for-migrants-with-eyes-on/article_c58a3a41-9888-540a-b795-5bab25ecf381.html It was booming nearly 30 years ago when I worked down there. Yes, there's so many American corps with a presence there its probably a good place to learn to blend in.
November 28, 20222 yr 6 minutes ago, E Rocc said: It was booming nearly 30 years ago when I worked down there. Yes, there's so many American corps with a presence there its probably a good place to learn to blend in. 30yrs is as good a time marker as anything. monterrey’s population has bascally doubled and cleveland’s has fallen by a third since then. its also basically taking over cleveland’s once bread & butter industrial manufacturing legacy — so migrants are sticking around: At the close of 2021, 238 companies were looking into establishing manufacturing in Monterrey and the Nuevo Leon. https://www.tecma.com/manufacturing-in-monterrey/
December 27, 20222 yr i dk where to put this one — ranking ohio cities for 2022: Every Ohio city from 1 to 247 for minority population - new census estimates Updated: Dec. 27, 2022 more: https://www.cleveland.com/data/2022/12/every-ohio-city-from-1-to-247-for-minority-population-new-census-estimates.html
December 27, 20222 yr ^I just checked the most current diversity index list for Ohio (source: Hometown Locator) and was surprised to discover that Painesville, which was #1 last year, slipped back to 2nd place (with a lower score than 2021), below Springdale (also Lorain and Cleveland went up a couple of points), which became the first town to break the 80 mark. I dunno, I think too many whites may be moving back 😂 http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
December 27, 20222 yr ^ well again, the so-called 'cities' above and around lorain would be considered neighborhoods within lorain lol. anyway, the newest census list linked above sez lorain currently has more black, spanish, asian and less white than painesville.
December 28, 20222 yr How in the world is Lakewood so far down on the list? edit - ah I see now...the list is 3 pages Edited December 28, 20222 yr by surfohio
December 28, 20222 yr 21 hours ago, mrnyc said: ^ well again, the so-called 'cities' above and around lorain would be considered neighborhoods within lorain lol. anyway, the newest census list linked above sez lorain currently has more black, spanish, asian and less white than painesville. but the formula for determining diversity is the same regardless of a city's size (although I do have a problem with those so-called "census designated places." I mean, who came up with that??), and as far as I know Hometown Locator uses the Esri Diversity Index to calculate its results, and no, I don't know how it works. But yes, I see from the article that Lorain shows slightly higher percentages of Blacks, Hispanics and Asians (the latter by .1%--a statistical blip if there ever was one. I guess the only group that's woefully underrepresented in both Lorain & P'ville are Asians. I attribute that to the fact that unlike some other states that have huge Asian populations of all backgrounds, Ohio's is most likely largely professional and affluent and therefore attracted to upscale towns like Solon and Beachwood 😒), so maybe Lorain should rank above Painesville now. I do however question how Springdale went up so much since it was running neck-and-neck with P'ville last time this list was compiled. I think it's all a Census conspiracy to deny Painesville it's rightful place as Ohio's most diverse city, along with your denial that it's even legitimately a city 😅 http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
December 30, 20222 yr ^ yeah, ohio is pathetic for asians. anyway, this is the actual most current census info, so clearly any lorain diversity index is higher now. as you know we like to say around ny, it is what it is. 😂 i’m just glad to see lorain stabilized after four straight census decades of steep post industrial population decline. in fact i see it even grew by a thousand or so people from 2010, isnt that something? i mean thats like by half the population of p’ville, isnt it? 😉
December 30, 20222 yr 6 hours ago, mrnyc said: ^ yeah, ohio is pathetic for asians. anyway, this is the actual most current census info, so clearly any lorain diversity index is higher now. as you know we like to say around ny, it is what it is. 😂 i’m just glad to see lorain stabilized after four straight census decades of steep post industrial population decline. in fact i see it even grew by a thousand or so people from 2010, isnt that something? i mean thats like by half the population of p’ville, isnt it? 😉 The eastern Cuyahoga suburbs, from around Case and CC down to Solon, have large Asian populations.
December 30, 20222 yr 13 hours ago, mrnyc said: ^ yeah, ohio is pathetic for asians. anyway, this is the actual most current census info, so clearly any lorain diversity index is higher now. as you know we like to say around ny, it is what it is. 😂 i’m just glad to see lorain stabilized after four straight census decades of steep post industrial population decline. in fact i see it even grew by a thousand or so people from 2010, isnt that something? i mean thats like by half the population of p’ville, isnt it? 😉 well, based on a current population estimate for 2021 (the latest I could find), Painesville grew by over a thousand since 2010. Since Lorain is roughly 3X the size of P'ville and basically grew by the same amount, it would seem that Painesville's rate of grow is that much more impressive, no? But who's counting? This isn't a competition 😏🤣 http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
December 30, 20222 yr ^ thats good for both, but if you want to switch gears now to population and look at whats impressive keep in mind p’ville is stable while lorain had lost a p’ville worth over several previous decades due to the deindustrialization legacy, so thats a lot of ground to make up to finally getting back into positive growth. 8 hours ago, E Rocc said: The eastern Cuyahoga suburbs, from around Case and CC down to Solon, have large Asian populations. no, see above — 7,500 local asians is absolutely terrible. even cinci has a bit more. and cols at at 32k is not really anything much either. ohio is 2.9% asian which is generously mor. it should be doing much better with immigration considering that even includes se asia. that said, i would guess its a fairly easy fix with targeted ads and mayor and business exchange visits and the like. it would be good to set the welcome stage now for when immigration goes back to normal.
December 30, 20222 yr 6 minutes ago, mrnyc said: ^ thats good for both, but if you want to switch gears now to population and look at whats impressive keep in mind p’ville is stable while lorain had lost a p’ville worth over several previous decades due to the deindustrialization legacy, so thats a lot of ground to make up to finally getting back into positive growth. no, see above — 7,500 local asians is absolutely terrible. even cinci has a bit more. and cols at at 32k is not really anything much either. ohio is 2.9% asian which is generously mor. it should be doing much better with immigration considering that even includes se asia. that said, i would guess its a fairly easy fix with targeted ads and mayor and business exchange visits and the like. it would be good to set the welcome stage now for when immigration goes back to normal. 38,000 in Cuyahoga County with nearly 20,000 in Summit as per the 2020 census.
December 30, 20222 yr 7 minutes ago, E Rocc said: 38,000 in Cuyahoga County with nearly 20,000 in Summit as per the 2020 census. I'd say the largest growth has been with Indians. This is purely just personal observation. In the past decade or so, I've noticed a bigger increase in Indians around than I have in a change in Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Korean, Malaysian, etc. Edited December 30, 20222 yr by ProspectAve
December 30, 20222 yr 7 minutes ago, ProspectAve said: I'd say the largest growth has been with Indians. This is purely just personal observation. In the past decade or so, I've noticed a bigger increase in Indians around than I have in a change in Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Korean, Malaysian, etc. I would concur.
December 30, 20222 yr 9 minutes ago, mrnyc said: ^ thats good for both, but if you want to switch gears now to population and look at whats impressive keep in mind p’ville is stable while lorain had lost a p’ville worth over several previous decades due to the deindustrialization legacy, so thats a lot of ground to make up to finally getting back into positive growth. I checked Lorain's census history and it really did drop a lot as you indicated. In 1970 it was over 78K! so that's good it's reversing; but for some reason I had thought Painesville had lost more people than it did because it was declining from 1970 to about 1990, but only by small percentages. The main reason it was able to turn around was because of the large Mexican migration, as well as a few new (though modest) suburban-style housing developments that have sprung up over the past few years. http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
December 30, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, E Rocc said: 38,000 in Cuyahoga County with nearly 20,000 in Summit as per the 2020 census. so the 7500 above must have meant cle city then? if so then its the same for the other two C’s. so thats still terrible. edit — so i think the above might have meant change or growth over the past decade? if true not sure if it meant in the metro or the city as a change of 7,500 is so small. anyway, i found this on the census: Cleveland city, Ohio | Asian alone in Cleveland city, Ohio 10,517 Source: 2020 Decennial Census Cincinnati city, Ohio | Asian alone in Cincinnati city, Ohio 7,861 Source: 2020 Decennial Census Columbus city, Ohio | Asian alone in Columbus city, Ohio 56,218 Source: 2020 Decennial Census Edited December 30, 20222 yr by mrnyc
December 31, 20222 yr 16 hours ago, mrnyc said: so the 7500 above must have meant cle city then? if so then its the same for the other two C’s. so thats still terrible. edit — so i think the above might have meant change or growth over the past decade? if true not sure if it meant in the metro or the city as a change of 7,500 is so small. anyway, i found this on the census: Cleveland city, Ohio | Asian alone in Cleveland city, Ohio 10,517 Source: 2020 Decennial Census Cincinnati city, Ohio | Asian alone in Cincinnati city, Ohio 7,861 Source: 2020 Decennial Census Columbus city, Ohio | Asian alone in Columbus city, Ohio 56,218 Source: 2020 Decennial Census Does Columbus include graduate students and professors at Ohio State? I would assume yes.
January 2, 20232 yr ^ i dk -- somebody on here awhile back worked for the census and explained to us about hospitals, jails and colleges, but i can't remember.
January 4, 20232 yr 3,000 Ukrainians have resettled in Northeast Ohio since start of war https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/an-estimated-3-000-ukrainians-have-resettled-in-northeast-ohio-since-start-of-war
January 4, 20232 yr 3,000 Ukrainians have resettled in Northeast Ohio since start of war https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/an-estimated-3-000-ukrainians-have-resettled-in-northeast-ohio-since-start-of-war Ukrainian family finds new home in Cleveland with help of a West Chester man 91.7 WVXU | By Bill Rinehart Published December 26, 2022 at 4:51 AM EST https://www.ideastream.org/2022-12-26/ukrainian-family-new-home-cleveland-west-chester
January 4, 20232 yr 7 hours ago, MuRrAy HiLL said: 3,000 Ukrainians have resettled in Northeast Ohio since start of war https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/an-estimated-3-000-ukrainians-have-resettled-in-northeast-ohio-since-start-of-war Ukrainian family finds new home in Cleveland with help of a West Chester man 91.7 WVXU | By Bill Rinehart Published December 26, 2022 at 4:51 AM EST https://www.ideastream.org/2022-12-26/ukrainian-family-new-home-cleveland-west-chester Only 3,000? While we need the people, its disappointingly low. If the US got 221,000 since the start of the war and with Cleveland's already strong Ukrainian presence, we should have received a good number of people far greater than 3,000. Instead, 3,000 is only around 1.3% of 221,000 which is about what Cleveland is to the US. So we got an exactly equal share instead of any benefit of already having a larger than average Ukrainian population.
January 4, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, ProspectAve said: Only 3,000? While we need the people, its disappointingly low. If the US got 221,000 since the start of the war and with Cleveland's already strong Ukrainian presence, we should have received a good number of people far greater than 3,000. Instead, 3,000 is only around 1.3% of 221,000 which is about what Cleveland is to the US. So we got an exactly equal share instead of any benefit of already having a larger than average Ukrainian population. Well, at least we're on the top 10 list for sponsorship by regular people: Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukrainian-refugees-sponsors-5-states-applications/
January 4, 20232 yr The cited News5 story said 6,000 Cleveland area sponsors had signed up. Ah, I see: the CBS data are 5 months old. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
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