March 14, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, E Rocc said: I want those who are going to adopt the values we have in this nation and work to better both themselves and the nation. Who intend to assimilate at least to the degree that the immigrants of a century ago did. Who intend to thrive, not be taken care of. One of the ironies of immigration is those who come the furthest are more likely to meet these criteria. That's why DJT's comments about bleep-hole nations were so dammed dumb. The people with the gumption to emerge from places like that and meet our criteria are exactly who we want. While I would love to know more and have clarity on what you mean by “assimilate” and why I think there’s another focus. I can’t speak for others but nearly all of the immigrants (both documented and undocumented) in the various parts of the country I have lived and worked have been some of the best people I have ever met. I’m curious about others experiences including yours. it appears to me most immigrants come for the right reasons, provide a ton of value to our country (culturally, economically, etc) and hold our country to the ideals it was okay with when our ancestors all came over and stole land from the indigenous people.
March 14, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, YABO713 said: It's not logical to assume that immigration would be predominantly anything other than people looking for a better life. Yeah I meant more people who are more disadvantaged not the wealthy elites from other countries who have a great life but think they can have even better in the states.
March 15, 20232 yr 9 hours ago, E Rocc said: …. This requires control of the process, though. What we're seeing now is a free for all, or worse. This comment is not based in reality. It is extremely difficult to get to the US and stay in the US, and this was made even more difficult during the last administration. The best way to increase the type of immigration that you seem to desire would be to make it easier to legally immigrate here. 6 hours ago, E Rocc said: I want those who are going to adopt the values we have in this nation and work to better both themselves and the nation. Who intend to assimilate at least to the degree that the immigrants of a century ago did. Who intend to thrive, not be taken care of. … This is what we’re already getting with immigrants. The idea that immigrants are societal mooches is pure fantasy. Immigrants and their kids are WAY more likely to bust their a**es working and contribute to society than people born here many generations removed from immigrant ancestors. Furthermore, one thing the USA is actually better at than most countries is how well we assimilate immigrants and their offspring. It’s quite remarkable how “Americanized” the kids are regardless of where the parents emigrate from. It truly is something that we can all take great pride in. It is one of our nation’s great strengths and one of the reasons the US is such a highly desired destination for those who choose to emigrate. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
March 15, 20232 yr Thank you Brian. I can speak for my wife and son who moved to the USA in 2016. My son who was age 3 when he came to this country has completely assimilated although he still loves Ukrainian and other Eastern European foods (as do I, and one branch of my family has been here since 1632). My wife refers to our son as Americanized and definitely not humble as are children his age in Ukraine. But my wife has already started one business and has been a tremendous help and encouragement to me in growing my business to where it is now self-supporting. Without her, I would've been content to simply live off a modest journalism job working for someone else and count my days until retirement. She's the one with the entrepreneurial spirit. Not me. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 15, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Thank you Brian. I can speak for my wife and son who moved to the USA in 2016. My son who was age 3 when he came to this country has completely assimilated although he still loves Ukrainian and other Eastern European foods (as do I, and one branch of my family has been here since 1632). My wife refers to our son as Americanized and definitely not humble as are children his age in Ukraine. But my wife has already started one business and has been a tremendous help and encouragement to me in growing my business to where it is now self-supporting. Without her, I would've been content to simply live off a modest journalism job working for someone else and count my days until retirement. She's the one with the entrepreneurial spirit. Not me. I agree with all the comments above about immigrants to the US. I married into a family from SE Asia that is doing very very well in the US, and they work themselves very hard. They have very high expectations for themselves, because coming to the US was very difficult for all of them. They know this is a place where their lives and property are safe, where things work, there is little outright corruption, comparing better in every way to home. Except the food of course. Of course. :D They were Trump Republicans, not because of alignment with his views, but because they are very proud to be in the US and don't like criticism of it. They've been in volatile political situations and worried about the acrimony in the political discussions. "No politics!!" my late-in-life immigrant mother-in-law said in rare clear English, to me, an American with roots also into the 17th Century. :D I love them dearly, they have many American friends, their kids are definitely American, and going to good colleges. The country would do well to have more of them. Every other immigrant family and couple I know are similar - very proud to be here, and working very hard to make their lives a success for themselves, their extended families, and mostly their children. Not so different from many other American families I know, honestly.
March 17, 20232 yr We need to get that Dublin-Cleveland flight going. The FT said today that there are 58,000 Ukrainians in Ireland along with 20,000 other international immigrants and that Ireland is struggling to house them. Ireland could well become a source of secondary immigration. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
March 17, 20232 yr On this St. Patrick's Day, remember... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 18, 20232 yr Gotta love one of the Krassensteins (only back on Twitter because Elon bought it) using a British cartoon to attempt to make a point against the USA.
April 12, 20232 yr russians fleeing to msp — whuddaboud the cle? Anti-war Russians fleeing home are finding their way to Minnesota Maya Rao, Star Tribune on Apr 12, 2023 more: https://m.arcamax.com/currentnews/newsheadlines/s-2809327
April 13, 20232 yr On 3/18/2023 at 5:40 AM, E Rocc said: Gotta love one of the Krassensteins (only back on Twitter because Elon bought it) using a British cartoon to attempt to make a point against the USA. gotta be pained with that poor grammar.
April 13, 20232 yr 17 hours ago, mrnyc said: russians fleeing to msp — whuddaboud the cle? Anti-war Russians fleeing home are finding their way to Minnesota Maya Rao, Star Tribune on Apr 12, 2023 more: https://m.arcamax.com/currentnews/newsheadlines/s-2809327 Lot of pro-Putin Eastern Europeans in the east side suburbs. Plus Ohio being a MAGA state doesn't help. DeWine is no Waltz. Edited April 13, 20232 yr by TBideon
May 5, 20232 yr We’re grateful that the people of Greater Cleveland have taken us in and helped us get on our feet here in America. We hope you’ll tell your political representatives to let us stay. Op-Ed: Afghan neighbors in Cleveland and across U.S. need Congress to enact a path to citizenship BY AHMAD FARID ARIA & PATRICK KEARNS ●SOCIAL EQUITY ● MAY 4, 2023 When I brought my family from Afghanistan to the United States in 2019, my son – who was 8 at the time – was confused. In Kabul, where I worked as a civil engineer after a few years helping NATO allies and the Afghan government, we had a beautiful home. We left most of what we owned behind, along with all our friends and extended family. My boy didn’t understand why. https://thelandcle.org/stories/op-ed-afghan-neighbors-in-cleveland-and-across-u-s-need-congress-to-enact-a-path-to-citizenship/
May 12, 20232 yr On 3/14/2023 at 2:56 PM, E Rocc said: I want those who are going to adopt the values we have in this nation and work to better both themselves and the nation. Who intend to assimilate at least to the degree that the immigrants of a century ago did. Who intend to thrive, not be taken care of. One of the ironies of immigration is those who come the furthest are more likely to meet these criteria. There is no basis in fact for these assertions. It doesn't matter where your grandparents came from, after a generation or two you're more influenced by American culture than wherever you came from.
May 12, 20232 yr just a thought, but cleveland needs immigrants and fresh blood arguably more than any other city. it should be all out all hands on deck and open city for this current crisis.
May 12, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, TBideon said: Can asylum seekers even work legally? that's the whole thing, you could take everyone off the border patrol, scatter them around inspecting buisnesses, construction and like rich people daycare and the like, fine the living daylights out these people for hiring illegal folks and then the mad rush to the usa would fall to a trickle. but nobody wants to do that. because we want cheap labor. i dk about legal hires or how that works or works around, but fwiw i see where illegal folks hang out to be approached for day labor work all over the place. so somebody is hiring them.
May 12, 20232 yr oh wait, you said like officially noted asylum seekers. i dk, maybe they are allowed to work? it might vary state by state? what a mess the whole thing is!
May 12, 20232 yr 27 minutes ago, mrnyc said: that's the whole thing, you could take everyone off the border patrol, scatter them around inspecting buisnesses, construction and like rich people daycare and the like, fine the living daylights out these people for hiring illegal folks and then the mad rush to the usa would fall to a trickle. but nobody wants to do that. because we want cheap labor. i dk about legal hires or how that works or works around, but fwiw i see where illegal folks hang out to be approached for day labor work all over the place. so somebody is hiring them. Why not both, instead of hiring more IRS agents? That's how the coalition between the identity politics faction and the corporatists comes together. Their interests almost never coincide but here, they do. Edited May 12, 20232 yr by E Rocc
May 12, 20232 yr 23 minutes ago, mrnyc said: oh wait, you said like officially noted asylum seekers. i dk, maybe they are allowed to work? it might vary state by state? what a mess the whole thing is! What percentage of "asylum seekers" really qualify for asylum? Economics isn't a legitimate reason. Probably in the single digits. Once they are here they aren't going to follow through.
May 12, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, E Rocc said: Why not both, instead of hiring more IRS agents? That's how the coalition between the identity politics faction and the corporatists comes together. Their interests almost never coincide but here, they do. yeah what about both AND also hire way more irs workers? why are you defending businesses being allowed to continue to skate after the pandemic irs and everything else issues? not to mention, that helps how they get by hiring workers under the table. so it seems like what we really need are many more border patrol business inspectors and irs accountants. and to not worry about needlessly divisive language like vague identity politics, whatever darkweb nonsense that is supposed to mean.
May 12, 20232 yr The Immigration debate is a lot like the political one and if you get your news from a particular source you are mostly getting the truth, just not the whole truth and of course, the whole truth changes everything. Example: what is happening at the southern border now is chaos. We really need to get our border under control. Example: The US needs immigrants. The vast majority do work that needs to be done and too many Americans either don't want that work or are not qualified. Immigration contributs far more good than bad. Anyone trying to say otherwise is just wrong. So we need controlled Immigration. Just not out of control Immigration. Easier said than done.
May 14, 20232 yr Redirected from the Slavic Village development thread... 2 hours ago, simplythis said: All the refugees are settling down in Parma. The families with kids have to worry about schools. If they had to send their kids to the Cleveland Schools they might as well go back to Ukraine. Well that was fraught with lazy stereotypes. Yes, many Ukrainians are in Parma. My wife is Ukrainian and a refugee case manager. Ukrainians are being placed wherever agencies can find affordable, safe housing. Most start out living with family or friends in Parma, Brecksville, Seven Hills, Beachwood, Mayfield Heights, South Euclid, etc. But using stipends from their relocation agencies, they have to move into the most affordable and secure housing. So many are living in apartments in Cleveland (Cudell, West Park, Jefferson and, yes, Slavic Village). Not all Cleveland Municipal schools are bad. Check the ratings. And many charter schools are good. I live in Lakewood but my son goes to a charter school -- in Cleveland. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 14, 20232 yr 9 hours ago, KJP said: Redirected from the Slavic Village development thread... Well that was fraught with lazy stereotypes. Yes, many Ukrainians are in Parma. My wife is Ukrainian and a refugee case manager. Ukrainians are being placed wherever agencies can find affordable, safe housing. Most start out living with family or friends in Parma, Brecksville, Seven Hills, Beachwood, Mayfield Heights, South Euclid, etc. But using stipends from their relocation agencies, they have to move into the most affordable and secure housing. So many are living in apartments in Cleveland (Cudell, West Park, Jefferson and, yes, Slavic Village). Not all Cleveland Municipal schools are bad. Check the ratings. And many charter schools are good. I live in Lakewood but my son goes to a charter school -- in Cleveland. My daughter went to Campus International all eight years. She’s going to high school next. It’s a fantastic school.
May 14, 20232 yr i dk how this relates to cle, i would think it gets a high percentage, but there aren't that many ukraine refugees in total to the usa as yet vs the central america crush we are seeing. otoh, of course there are a lot of them in europe (and probably few or no haiti, cuba and central americans as we see). Edited May 14, 20232 yr by mrnyc
May 14, 20232 yr It's probably a geographical issue more than anything. Not too many Arabs have fled to the US compared to Germany, the Netherlands, Turkey, etc. We're just too far for them to arrive in mass just as those regions are for Central/South Americans. The oceans are pretty big. Separately, I think a lot, if not most, of Ukrainians want to return home someday -- and soon. I'm sure for many their escape is really meant to be temporary. Not quite the same for Venezuelans, Mexicans, etc. Edited May 14, 20232 yr by TBideon
May 14, 20232 yr ^ somewhat true, or seemingly so in practical terms. however, while mexico is always the lead immigrant country, as a group actually asia has taken the top immigration spot from north american (can/mex) on the list for immigation for awhile. followed by africa, europe, central and south america and oceania. maybe that is changing currently and central/south america will jump up? i dk.
May 14, 20232 yr I can see that. India and China comprise 35% of the world alone, and as their working and middle classes grow, more want out. Plus the non Arabian Peninsula countries in Asia surely are bleeding migrants/refugees/immigrants.
May 15, 20232 yr On 5/13/2023 at 11:59 PM, KJP said: Redirected from the Slavic Village development thread... Well that was fraught with lazy stereotypes. Yes, many Ukrainians are in Parma. My wife is Ukrainian and a refugee case manager. Ukrainians are being placed wherever agencies can find affordable, safe housing. Most start out living with family or friends in Parma, Brecksville, Seven Hills, Beachwood, Mayfield Heights, South Euclid, etc. But using stipends from their relocation agencies, they have to move into the most affordable and secure housing. So many are living in apartments in Cleveland (Cudell, West Park, Jefferson and, yes, Slavic Village). Not all Cleveland Municipal schools are bad. Check the ratings. And many charter schools are good. I live in Lakewood but my son goes to a charter school -- in Cleveland. Yes, but does CMSD have the resources to deal with adjustment (language, curriculum, culture) equivalent to Parma's? Or do they just get sent to the default schools? Are there bullying issues in the latter?
May 15, 20232 yr 15 hours ago, TBideon said: It's probably a geographical issue more than anything. Not too many Arabs have fled to the US compared to Germany, the Netherlands, Turkey, etc. We're just too far for them to arrive in mass just as those regions are for Central/South Americans. The oceans are pretty big. Separately, I think a lot, if not most, of Ukrainians want to return home someday -- and soon. I'm sure for many their escape is really meant to be temporary. Not quite the same for Venezuelans, Mexicans, etc. The irony is the further refugees travel, the more likely they are to assimilate where they go. Think about and yes, that makes sense due to the effort. Let's also keep in mind that economics is not a legitimate reason for seeking asylum. The Ukrainians are fleeing a war, Arabs religious tyranny. Considering how many Croats returned to Croatia after a half century, yes it can be expected that a lot of Ukrainians will want to go home.
May 15, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, E Rocc said: The irony is the further refugees travel, the more likely they are to assimilate where they go. They do? I've never heard that. You have some evidence, of course?
May 15, 20232 yr Here's some studies that touch on adjacent topics. Not perfect but the best I can find with a quick search Looks like there could be some correlation; it's highly variable based on country of origin, but the correlation to distance is weak or not clear cut. https://manhattan.institute/article/comparing-immigrant-assimilation-in-north-america-and-europe https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7508458/ https://manhattan.institute/article/measuring-immigrant-assimilation-in-post-recession-america For the Manhattan institute ones, I recommend opening the full report so you can see graphs and draw your own conclusions.
May 15, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, E Rocc said: The Ukrainians are fleeing a war, Arabs religious tyranny. Can you expand on the religious tyranny that, I would assume by the mention, is the primary source of Arab refugees?
May 15, 20232 yr Ukranians are fleeing an invasion that may have an end date, Arabs internal conflicts that likely won't. It's a bit different
May 15, 20232 yr Here's some interesting overview re: the Arab refugee crisis. It's careful not to specifically blame religion, arguably side-stepping the topic for potential controversy. It points out Arabs are often unwelcoming to foreign Arab refugees because they view outsiders as a "potential thread to security and integrity" of their nation. https://carnegieendowment.org/2018/10/18/refugee-crises-in-arab-world-pub-77522
May 15, 20232 yr 21 minutes ago, surfohio said: Here's some interesting overview re: the Arab refugee crisis. It's careful not to specifically blame religion, arguably side-stepping the topic for potential controversy. It points out Arabs are often unwelcoming to foreign Arab refugees because they view outsiders as a "potential thread to security and integrity" of their nation. https://carnegieendowment.org/2018/10/18/refugee-crises-in-arab-world-pub-77522 I don't think it's a matter of Arab culture either. When the number of refugees is that large any country will resist their integration. Quote The two countries [Lebanon and Jordan] hold the highest and second-highest number of refugees per capita worldwide; Lebanon hosts 164 refugees per 1,000 inhabitants whereas Jordan hosts 71 refugees per 1,000 inhabitants. The U.S. has 0.84 refugees per 1,000 inhabitants, and we are freaking out about allowing "those" people into the country (despite the law allowing it -- very annoying for politicians to whine about the "border crisis" without reaching out to colleagues with compromises to acheive legislative consensus on how to change the law).
May 15, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, E Rocc said: Yes, but does CMSD have the resources to deal with adjustment (language, curriculum, culture) equivalent to Parma's? Or do they just get sent to the default schools? Are there bullying issues in the latter? Cleveland/CMSD has the International Newcomers Academy, which is a PreK-12 school with students from all over the world, with a sizeable amount of students who are refugees. Students are typically there for 2 years, depending on what grade you're in when you join the school; high school aged students have the choice to stay through graduation though. They have staff trained in teaching English as a second language, bilingual aids who speak in the students native language, individualized educational and social curriculum based on the students needs, and many other resources. From my personal experience, the students there are very collaborative and the school offers an opportunity to adjust to life in the states while also providing connections to their peer groups and the wider community. I am not aware of an equivalent offering in the Parma school district, although with the city's existing Ukrainian population and history, I am sure that is an added benefit of placing Ukrainian refugees in that community.
May 17, 20232 yr On 5/12/2023 at 11:26 AM, mrnyc said: but nobody wants to do that. because we want cheap labor. I definitely never worked anywhere that paid people cash every two weeks. The biggest advantage is not having local, state, federal, and social security taken out. These guys working as dishwashers and bussers ended making more than servers and bartenders on slow or off season weeks. What incentive is there to work above board?
May 17, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, originaljbw said: What incentive is there to work above board? Paying into SS so that there will be a benefit for you at retirement. Coverage by worker's compensation. Ability to show income on loan applications.
May 17, 20232 yr On 5/15/2023 at 12:17 PM, andrew0816 said: Cleveland/CMSD has the International Newcomers Academy, which is a PreK-12 school with students from all over the world, with a sizeable amount of students who are refugees. Students are typically there for 2 years, depending on what grade you're in when you join the school; high school aged students have the choice to stay through graduation though. They have staff trained in teaching English as a second language, bilingual aids who speak in the students native language, individualized educational and social curriculum based on the students needs, and many other resources. From my personal experience, the students there are very collaborative and the school offers an opportunity to adjust to life in the states while also providing connections to their peer groups and the wider community. I am not aware of an equivalent offering in the Parma school district, although with the city's existing Ukrainian population and history, I am sure that is an added benefit of placing Ukrainian refugees in that community. When my son came to America seven years ago, he was only three but we got him into Lakewood's child care program at Roosevelt Elementary School right away. Turns out Lakewood has teachers that speak 45 different languages (or did at that time) including Russian and Ukrainian. Martin became fluent in English in about eight months. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 17, 20232 yr A million years ago when I was in school, Cleveland got a nice shot of refugees after the Hungarian Revolution in 1956. The children were just dumped into the schools - nothing special done for them (that I know of). The ones I knew in Lakewood and Rocky River spoke serviceable English in about six months. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
May 17, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, Dougal said: A million years ago when I was in school, Cleveland got a nice shot of refugees after the Hungarian Revolution in 1956. The children were just dumped into the schools - nothing special done for them (that I know of). The ones I knew in Lakewood and Rocky River spoke serviceable English in about six months. Catholic schools in the Polish neighborhoods over 100 years ago taught in Polish and English until the kids were fluent in English. I've heard this from my grandpa and read it in a biography of Cardinal Krol (they were cousins).
May 17, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, freefourur said: Paying into SS so that there will be a benefit for you at retirement. Coverage by worker's compensation. Ability to show income on loan applications. If someone is staying only a few years, do any of these (except WC) really apply? Especially if not paying taxes?
May 17, 20232 yr 40 minutes ago, E Rocc said: If someone is staying only a few years, do any of these (except WC) really apply? Especially if not paying taxes? They do pay taxes, Eric. They start out right away paying sales taxes. And as soon as they get a work permit, they get a social security number. Four months after she arrived in America, my wife got her work permit (a picture ID with an SSN) and a month later she got her first job making Christmas gift baskets at Rozi's Wine Shop in downtown Lakewood. She had all taxes withheld. This tax-paying situation is repeated with everyone who goes through the refugee program at USCRI, too. My wife also signed up for English language classes through Tri-C. The nearest classes were located at Lakewood's Taft School, a 20-minute walk down Clifton from us. One benefit of being enrolled in Tri-C ESL classes is that you get a free monthly bus pass as a Tri-C student. And, remember @E Rocc that my wife had been paying sales taxes for a while by that time so she had already been paying for RTA! 🙃 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 17, 20232 yr 27 minutes ago, KJP said: They do pay taxes, Eric. They start out right away paying sales taxes. And as soon as they get a work permit, they get a social security number. Four months after she arrived in America, my wife got her work permit (a picture ID with an SSN) and a month later she got her first job making Christmas gift baskets at Rozi's Wine Shop in downtown Lakewood. She had all taxes withheld. This tax-paying situation is repeated with everyone who goes through the refugee program at USCRI, too. My wife also signed up for English language classes through Tri-C. The nearest classes were located at Lakewood's Taft School, a 20-minute walk down Clifton from us. One benefit of being enrolled in Tri-C ESL classes is that you get a free monthly bus pass as a Tri-C student. And, remember @E Rocc that my wife had been paying sales taxes for a while by that time so she had already been paying for RTA! 🙃 I'm not speaking of legal immigrants. I'm on record as being good with screened immigration and more of it. We're doing it right when other nations complain that we are taking their best people. Context was why people work "under the table". It doesn't sound like she is only planning on staying a few years, either. Sales tax, yes they pay that. But what percentage of most people's tax burden is sales tax?
May 18, 20232 yr Eventually everyone becomes a taxpayer. I don't necessarily care if someone came here legally or not if that's what they had to do to improve their lives. It's ironic for us to steal somebody else's nations and then claim others came here illegally. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 18, 20232 yr 18 hours ago, originaljbw said: I definitely never worked anywhere that paid people cash every two weeks. The biggest advantage is not having local, state, federal, and social security taken out. These guys working as dishwashers and bussers ended making more than servers and bartenders on slow or off season weeks. What incentive is there to work above board? The case for working above-board for legal US residents has already been made. Employers can get themselves into a lot of legal trouble if they are paying too many or too much under the table. One or two employees probably would be tough to catch -- shame on the employer, but this is probably never going away. 14 hours ago, E Rocc said: I'm not speaking of legal immigrants. I'm on record as being good with screened immigration and more of it. We're doing it right when other nations complain that we are taking their best people. Context was why people work "under the table". Undocumented immigrants are putting the possibility of permanent residency in jeopardy by working under the table. Otherwise, sure -- what incentive do they have to pay taxes when they are already at risk of deportation? This is another reason why the penalties for employers should be extremely, extremely harsh. Maybe prison time should be part of that equation if you can't prove you checked for a SSN and took steps to verify it was legit. A pathway to legal residency should be available to people who come here on work visas (which also should be more readily available) and keep their noses clean for a certain number of years. Get caught working "under the table" and that option should evaporate.
May 18, 20232 yr there is a gray area that ne ohioans are not aware of, but that nw ohioans are well aware of, and that is migrant workers that come thru to pick tomatos and soybeans off the farms out there. it has always been allowed and ohio even has services like temporary summer migrant schools for them. unfortunately right winger ninnies lead by abusive trump rhetoric started reporting them and many stopped coming. so when your grocery produce bills are high and you cant find certain fruits and veggies periodically don’t forget that.
May 18, 20232 yr 23 hours ago, Dougal said: A million years ago when I was in school, Cleveland got a nice shot of refugees after the Hungarian Revolution in 1956. The children were just dumped into the schools - nothing special done for them (that I know of). The ones I knew in Lakewood and Rocky River spoke serviceable English in about six months. ‘hol up lol, that group werent exactly fish out of water. there were already a bazillion hungarians around able to help via churches and other services, which i am told everyone in my family did. my mother also tells me how my relatives would put together packages of clothes and stuff and send it to family back in hungry, but the commies would inspect and steal half of it before they got it, if they got it.
May 23, 20232 yr Protecting Afghan refugees in Northeast Ohio: Gwendolyn Kochur Published: May. 21, 2023, 5:03 a.m. https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2023/05/protecting-afghan-refugees-in-northeast-ohio-gwendolyn-kochur.html
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