Fantastic scale.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

^Is there much Polish population left?

well, it's no lorain county lagrange  :laugh:

 

 

but bonus points for whoever stripped off the 'ace' and left the 'ohio hardware' sign up!  :clap:

 

interesting history.

 

speaking of toledo neighborhoods, what can you say about these i see on googlemaps:  wernert's corners, fitch, vulcan, airline junction, ironville, johnston corners, boulevard, ryan, immergrun. i know the areas, but i dont think i have ever heard them referred to before.

 

it would be great if someone could do some more toledo neighborhoods, we don't get much on uo.

 

interesting history.

 

speaking of toledo neighborhoods, what can you say about these i see on googlemaps: wernert's corners, fitch, vulcan, airline junction, ironville, johnston corners, boulevard, ryan, immergrun. i know the areas, but i dont think i have ever heard them referred to before.

 

it would be great if someone could do some more toledo neighborhoods, we don't get much on uo.

 

None of those are official neighborhoods; they could be subneighborhoods or old corner/neighborhood names, though.

 

We actually have a number of Toledo neighborhoods on UrbanOhio: Vistula, Old Orchard/Ottawa, Roosevelt, East Toledo, Old West End, and Warehouse District. I have a few from Uptown, Beverly, and Old West End to post as well.

i know, they look like they used to be neighborhoods, maybe long ago. i notice googlemaps often keeps it old school rather than overlay the modern name of neighbohoods like those you mentioned, which is kind of confusing.

One of the big selling poins for me for Toledo is that they still have this ethnic stuff going on (including that barrio on S Broadway).  I think I had some kiska at a little deli on Lagrange when I was up there years ago.

 

I was wondering if there are or were any southern appalachian neighborhoods in town, like we have in Dayton.

 

I actually did a pretty huge research project in college about ethnic enclaves in the Midwestern and Great Lakes metro areas.

 

I'd like to hear more about that. 

 

BTW, South Bend/Mishawaka also had a polish/hungarian thing going on, but also Belgians(!)

 

 

Hamtramck's Polish numbers have been eclipsed by other ethnicities, but there is still a very strong Polish presence there. Many English-optional Polish groceries; a nice bookstore, plus many of your bedrock clubs and organizations--PNA, PAC, PLAV--even a high-fallutin' think tank called Piast Institute.

While Toledo never really developed the Dayton-style enclaves of Appalachians, plenty of Appalachians did move to Toledo. There was a pretty regular connection between parts of Kentucky and Tennessee and the Glass City. My evidence is partly anecdotal (as a Cincinnatian who knows a fair number of Kentucky/Appalachian migrants - they all had kin in Toledo - which I heard about regularly when I went to UT.

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yeah, same here, I had a co-worker who came from the Hamilton appalachian community, and he had relatives in Toledo, which is why I asked.

 

 

 

I'm confident that no one refers to any nabe as either BUMA or ONYX. 

West Toledo (of all the directionals) seems the least specific to me.  Most stuff in Toledo is in West Toledo, it covers the most ground.  Where does West Toledo end and North or South Toledo pick up? 

North Toledo is generally north of Laskey and probably east of Secor - basically Alexis is the main corridor for North Toledo.

 

South Toledo is basically south of Hill or South Street. The stuff down by the Stranahan and Ragtime Rick's is South Toledo - Heatherdowns as well.

I'm confident that no one refers to any nabe as either BUMA or ONYX. 

 

ONYX is an official neighborhood name, though.

http://www.geography.utoledo.edu/tault/onyx_neighborhood_map.html

 

Do people call it Roosevelt, by chance? ONYX feels much like an extention of Roosevelt with its similar housing.

Fantastic scale.

 

Looks to be a very pleasant scale indeed.  If only it had less of a country-fied feel to it.

cdawg haha i am glad to see you were as mystified by that googlemap stuff as i was. i thought it was kind of crazy. i notice they do that for everything, but it just really stood out for some reason for toledo.

 

fwiw we, meaning local people i worked with, used to call what is named glendale-heatherdowns "glen-byrne" (for the intersection/plaza), but that's what everybody called it.

 

I'm confident that no one refers to any nabe as either BUMA or ONYX.  

 

ONYX is an official neighborhood name, though.

http://www.geography.utoledo.edu/tault/onyx_neighborhood_map.html

 

Do people call it Roosevelt, by chance? ONYX feels much like an extention of Roosevelt with its similar housing.

 

i wonder if onyx might be a fairly recent moniker? i don't recall it at all.

 

 

 

 

 

It looks like a comfortable Midwestern neighborhood in good condition.

What's next? Is Hamtramck country too?

 

Hamtramck is more nation-state than country.

I'm confident that no one refers to any nabe as either BUMA or ONYX.  

 

ONYX is an official neighborhood name, though.

http://www.geography.utoledo.edu/tault/onyx_neighborhood_map.html

 

Do people call it Roosevelt, by chance? ONYX feels much like an extention of Roosevelt with its similar housing.

 

People in Toledo really do not use neighborhood names unless they are referring to Old Orchard, Point Place, Old West End and maybe sometimes Corry Woods.  I lived there for 3 years, and never heard of many of the neighborhoods listed.  My wife grew up there and moved when she was 23, and never heard of any of them.  I noticed alot of people use intersections of streets as locations of where they live.  It seems like Toledo people know where everything is based of of intersections versus neighborhoods.  You will hear, "I live at Bancroft and Holland Sylvania", or "I live at Lewis and Lasky".  I think the Langrange neighborhood is pretty nice as far as an urban area, but few people in Toledo know much about it.  It needs some attention. 

^I agree that on the whole the neighborhood designations in Toledo are artificial.  No one would ever admit to "live in Southwyck," near Southwyck maybe.  Nor "in Franklin Park," for that matter.  I've never heard someone say anything's "in Whitmer," just the high school itself. 

 

"East Side" is the most obvious. 

sure, those annex place names are malls (in varying degrees of success), not nabes. 

 

but seriously, ONYX?  BUMA?  Ottawa?  Nothing is "in Ottawa."  It's just a fabricated catch-all designation (including Old Orchard, the Bancroft Hills student ghetto, the couple of streets near UT sw of Bancroft & Secor labeled Indian Hills, Westmoreland, and some other stuff) named probably to resemble Ottawa Hills.  Ottawa Park is in the middle of this "nabe" and it really separates rougher areas to the east from the more uppity west. 

 

Maybe what i was trying to say was that UT site http://www.geography.utoledo.edu/tault/toledoindex.htmlisn't quite realistic in neighborhood breakdown. 

Nobody calls the area around UT Ottawa - if anything it is referred as Bancroft Hills or maybe Old Orchard. There are some strong names - Old Orchard, Bancroft Hills is so-so, Secor Gardens (student/A-A ghetto south of campus), Westmoreland is pretty strong, the northern part of 'Ottawa is usually referred as the Toledo Hospital neighborhood. Five Points is pretty strong as is LaGrange. I'd say North and South Toledo are the least 'neighborhood-y', while there are neighborhoods in West Toledo, they are aren't as clearcut as say Cincy has. Flat cities just don't get the same kind of neighborhood identity as a hilly place.

C-Dawg, I'm not trying to argue with you, but I went to UT, and never heard the area around campus called "Ottawa".  I know across Bancroft from the 7-11, there was a golf coarse called Ottawa I believe, but that's it. 

 

My wife grew up in Point Place, and mind you she has never heard of the "Lagrange Polish Neighborhood", she did know that Lagrange Street went through that area, but never knew that's what the neighborhood is called. 

 

This is my point, if these neighborhoods have such distinction, than i think after three years of living there, I would have heard of them.  I think the point is, they are more subdivisions than neighborhoods.  They don't have a center of town to them (other than Lagrange...I can't think of any others at the moment) that make them standout as a seperate neighborhood.  That reinforces your point that these places need to have "Block Parties' to be known.  There really is not a distinction.  In Cleveland, we have some neighborhood distinctions with commercial centers such as Westpark (Kamms Corners), Shaker Square (Shaker Square), Old Brooklyn (Memphis Pearl), Ohio City (25th), Little Italy (Little Italy).  However, when you look on a map, there are probably 50 small different neighborhood names in Cleveland that I have never heard from simply because nobody says them.  For instance, I looked at the deed on our house about a month ago, and I noticed it says the house was constructed in 1946 in the city of Cleveland in the subdivision of Bridgeview.  As an Engineer, I understand that this his how the surveyor laid out the land in distinct 1 square mile grids and named them.  Take a look at Toledo, as it has maintained the 1 square mile grid structure with streets such as Heatherdowns, Glendale, Hill, South, Nebraska, Door, Bancroft, Central, Sylvania, Lasky, Alexis (I think I got them all South to North) and then cross streets such as Detroit, Upton, Westwood, Secor, Reynolds, Holl Syl, McCord, King, Centennial.  They make pretty nice one square mile grids (keep in mind the surveyor was using a 66' chain to get these, so they may not be perfect.  Then, those grids were broken down into quadrants and given Subdivision names.  That's why, when we design neighborhoods today, we never call them subdivisons, because that is the "official" name of the neighborhood they are going in.  They are called developments. 

 

I am not discounting the fact that Toledo does not have neighborhoods, but I am discounting the fact that they hold alot of significance in where a person in Toledo lives.  Obviously a few as mentioned above do, but not all.  There is no problem with that, and it does not make Toledo bad for any reason, in fact I have alot of good memories from there.  And, my wife is not oblivious, and she does like to have a few drinks.  She actually is a bright person.  She knows Toledo like the back of her hand.  She is also thinking the warehouse district is new in that she never heard of this area.  I told her it's downtown somewhere...I think near the MudHens stadium. 

 

There is always a marketing component to neighborhood identity. This is why neighborhoods that have been around for years suddenly become named, especially if there can be value added to be in the 'hood.

Great job. I've got a friend with family in Toledo and he always talks about it's diversity in comparison to Akron.

Yeah, Toledo has much more of a city feal to it.  Sometimes with Akron, you don't really know when you enterred Akron, and when you left Cleveland. 

Yeah, Toledo has much more of a city feal to it. Sometimes with Akron, you don't really know when you enterred Akron, and when you left Cleveland.

 

I said nothing about "city feel". I was speaking in terms of ethnic diversity. Cleveland and Akron are distinctly separated by the Cuyahoga Valley National Park. I'm a bit confused by your comments...

I'll simply note that Cincy's Westside actually has a long list of strong neighborhood subdivisions - Price Hill (now divided East and West), Westwood, Western Hills, Mt. Airy, Saylor Park, Delhi, Covedale, Dent and so on. I'll cede on North Toledo as having strong neighborhood identities. I'll second the fact that Point Place folks were 'different.'