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Posted August 14, 200816 yr

(Another flawed silly list)

StubHub Reveals America's 20 Most Rockin' Cities of 2008

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Nation's Largest Ticket Marketplace Ranks Most Active Markets for Summer Concert Tickets

August 13, 2008: 08:00 AM EST

StubHub, the world's largest ticket marketplace, today announced its 20 Most Rockin' Cities for 2008 based on overall gross ticket sales in each market. Over 90 North American cities/regions populate event listings on StubHub. Once again an exceptional line-up of summer tours sent fans rushing to buy tickets to watch their favorite country stars, rock legends and pop acts. Many shows sold out, some within minutes of going on sale, but a record number of fans continue to use the StubHub marketplace to find access and great values. With so many tickets changing hands, StubHub has compiled its third annual list of America's 20 Most Rockin' Cities. Summer concerts in these cities have been the most active sellers on StubHub with rankings based on total sales for concert events only, occurring between May 15th and September 15th. StubHub has also included the three best selling shows in each city for additional perspective.

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America's 20 Most Rockin' Cities:

2008 City Rank (2007 Rank) Top Selling Shows:

1. New York (1) Billy Joel 7/18, 7/16, Bruce Springsteen 7/31

2. Boston (4) Kenny Chesney 7/26, Bruce Springsteen 8/2,

Neil Diamond 8/23

3. Los Angeles (2) Radiohead 8/24, 8/25,

Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers 6/25

4. Philadelphia (5) Kenny Chesney 7/19, Jimmy Buffett 6/14,

Coldplay 7/25

5. Chicago (3) Kenny Chesney 6/21, Coldplay 7/23,

Jimmy Buffett 7/26

6. SFBay Area (6) Kenny Chesney 6/8, Coldplay 7/18,

The Police 7/14

7. Hartford (10) Dave Matthews Band 6/14, Coldplay 8/2,

Billy Joel 5/31

8. Detroit (9) Kenny Chesney 8/2, Jimmy Buffett 6/10,

Bon Jovi 7/7

9. Richmond (17) Jimmy Buffett 8/30, Dave Matthews Band 6/28,

Jonas Brothers 8/18

10. Dallas (7) Radiohead 5/18,

Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers 8/27,

Jonas Brothers 7/9

11. Atlanta (12) Jimmy Buffett 6/5, Kenny Chesney 7/13,

Eagles 5/17

12. Las Vegas (8.) Coldplay 7/19, Kenny Chesney 6/6,

The Police 5/23

13. Indianapolis (N/A) Kenny Chesney 9/13, Jimmy Buffett 7/29,

Dave Matthews Band 7/26

14. Atlantic City (19) Jimmy Buffett 8/24, American Idols Live 8/2,

Killers 8/1

15. Seattle (16) Dave Matthews Band 8/30, Radiohead 8/20,

Dave Matthews Band 8/31

16. Denver (13) Jack Johnson 8/17, Rush 6/25,

Jonas Brothers 7/19

17. Houston (18) Radiohead 5/17, Kenny Chesney 8/16,

Dave Matthews Band 8/15

18. Washington, D.C. (15) Coldplay 8/3, Eagles 7/26, Pearl Jam 6/22

19. Miami (11) Dave Matthews Band 7/12, Pearl Jam 6/11,

Dave Matthews Band 7/11

20. Cleveland (N/A) Kenny Chesney 5/24, Radiohead 8/4,

Jonas Brothers 8/22

*Data based on sales through StubHub as of 8/07/08

September 6, 200816 yr

Too bad we're playing the Ravens. ;)

August 3, 200915 yr

Outside Magazine, August 2009

Best Towns 2009

America's Best Cities

Healthy. That's the word we kept coming back to. And we don’t mean a fit or skinny population; we’re talking about a city’s cultural vibrancy, economic well-being, and overall quality of life. Presenting our picks for the 10 best cities in America.

Click on link for more information.

10.Charlotte, North Carolina

9.Cincinnati, Ohio

8.Minneapolis, Minnesota

7.Portland, Oregon

6.Albuquerque, New Mexico

5.Boston, Massachusetts

4.Austin, Texas

3.Atlanta, Georgia

2.Seattle, Washington

1.Colorado Springs, Colorado

PLUS: Our 10 favorite small towns

http://outside.away.com/outside/destinations/200908/best-towns-america-intro.html?imw=Y

August 3, 200915 yr

Good news for Cincinnati, but really it's just another stupid list.

August 3, 200915 yr

All those cities have streetcars or have streetcars in the works :)

August 3, 200915 yr

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August 3, 200915 yr

^ I'll take that first picture to describe Cincinnati's economy.

With its low cost of living and resilient and well-balanced blend of industries (everything from aerospace to advertising), Cincinnati topped our charts for best economy.

Edit: Yellow Springs also made their list of top 10 small towns.

August 3, 200915 yr

^ I'll take that first picture to describe Cincinnati's economy.

With its low cost of living and resilient and well-balanced blend of industries (everything from aerospace to advertising), Cincinnati topped our charts for best economy.

No...more like this list is a load of...

August 3, 200915 yr

Colorado...Springs...? Oy.

"You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers

August 3, 200915 yr

Believe now I know these lists are just like the picture above, a pile of $hit. I lived in Colorado Springs for 18 years and you would be hard pressed to even call this place a city. The Springs has absolutely NO culture, diversity, neighborhoods, entertainment, great restaurants, exciting and fun people, architecture or urban anything. If you like a little outdoor activity, western typ art, and looking at Pikes Peak day after day, and living amongst some of the 100+ Evangelical Christian groups that are based there and dictate local politics then you will ove this place, otherwise it's a complete DUD of a town. Whoever put this list together is insane, blind, corrupt and incompetent and these must be their good points.

August 3, 200915 yr

I actually thought this list was just fine. Outside magazine is for people who like to camp, fish, hike, paddle, etc. So they had to overlay that onto cities that could offer a balance of culture and affordability. All of these cities are gateways to a lot of outdoor activities by virtue of being close to some kind of mountain or hill range, with active rivers and protected forests. Although I don't understand why Colorado Springs was there instead of Denver.

August 3, 200915 yr

Great job Cincy! Great to see another of Ohio's big cities getting positive national attention!

August 4, 200915 yr

Honestly, this list would make some sense if f$&king Colorado Springs weren't on top!!

Minneapolis and Cincinnati? Fair enough, they have rock-solid, depression-proof economies. Also decent populations of college grads by Midwestern standards.

Austin? Ridiculous music scene, some very innovative alternative rock throughout the years, strong nightlife, indie film scene, booming economy, makes sense.

Atlanta? Good economy, low unemployment. Loads of hip-hop (much of it garbage, but it produced Outkast).

Portland? Kind of a give in. It's a Pacific Northwest paradise and a beautiful, pedestrian-friendly city. Everyone loves it when they visit, even conservatives.

Seattle? Much sh!ttier weather than Portland, but a strong music scene, very urban, techie/yuppie paradise, beautiful if the sun comes out.

Boston? Duh. The hub of New England, solid economy, highly-educated, great history and the buildings/density to back up that history.

Charlotte? Total sh!thole, but it's always being bailed out, so the economy is much better than it should be. Also known as an easy place for college grads to find jobs, particularly college grads from Ohio.

Albuquerque? What the hell? It's in the middle of nowhere and uglier than sh!t, not to mention basically no historical housing or good architecture to speak of. It gets points for being a Latino hub though.

Colorado Springs? Ah, you've got to be sh!tting me...

Er...it's a list of the best large cities for people who like to do outdoorsy-things. Not a generic list of the best cities.

August 4, 200915 yr

Actually, Minneapolis is a very large, outdoor-sy city and Boston has plenty of recreational options within a half-hours drive.

"You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers

August 4, 200915 yr

Boston is definitely an outdoors city - beaches, hiking, camping, biking, boating, kayaking.... I think anyone who has lived there (myself included) would support that it belongs on the list.

August 4, 200915 yr

These articles mean nothing to me... Stats and criteria can be tweaked, manipulated...and a lot based on what someone else's idea of a great place is. As I mentioned in another similar discussion... as for 'nightlife'...Who monopolized the definition of these word? Who carved in stone that such must be associated with, and limited to bars/clubs for twits and 20 somethings? When you evolve and broaden your interests in life...that scene becomes irreverent...and attractive to what is really a minority.. many get tired of it, grow up...leave it..and then ask.. "What's next in life?" I am 41...and if I am still frequenting this scene on a regular basis... I think.. "OMG! Haven't I broadened my horizons and interests..and created/discovered new ways to spend time?".. But that's just me....

I can think of a dozen other creative things to do than slurp alcohol all night..or stand around holding a bottle, and believe me.. I did plenty. Again, that's me, though..and many others likely feel the same.....in which case a place boasting that scene does nothing for me or that crowd. I'd rather sit on the roof and observe the heavens with my telescope... Have a special person over too.. A city must appeal to other very important age groups so it doesn't become the "tried it... and now bored with it...So what's next?, scene"

Don't get me wrong...there are many great places on that list. I guess what deems 'great' depends upon the person gathering the information, what criteria they chose to use, etc.

August 4, 200915 yr

This is only 2 hours from Cincinnati:

And this is only 2 hours from Boston:

And while nearly everyone in Minnesota has a cabin somewhere on some lake, there are even severe land formations within 2 hours of Minneapolis:

Here is the most interesting landscape I can drive to in 2 hours in Orlando, the third highest peak in all of Florida:

August 4, 200915 yr

Great photos!!... Every place has its beautiful eco-region. Even here, we are no exception, and I feel often underrated, and hence the lack of involvement in helping to promote propper stewardship of what we have ("we only save what we love...and we only love what we know!").

Anyway, I plan on creating a thread to showcase some of N.E. Ohio's beauty and wonderful such places within a couple hours more or less.... You just might be surprised.

But sadly about Florida... I used to live there in 1973 and most of the natural beauty that was there when I was there...is not rooftop crops. It is sprawling out of control. Even Disney lost its nice buffer zone, that Walt actually wanted to maintain, I believe.

Here is something less than two hours from Cincinnati.. www.highlandssanctuary.org They call it "woodland sprawl!" :-)

August 4, 200915 yr

I can think of a dozen other creative things to do than slurp alcohol all night..or stand around holding a bottle, and believe me.. I did plenty.

I think bars get old in a week (I've always greatly preferred house parties, which rarely exist after college). The thing is, the bar is still sadly one of the best places to meet single people (though generally trashy single people). Bars are a big part of American society, and in many cities, it goes beyond the 20-something crowd.

Why do you speak in such general terms?? Why couldn't you say, "I've always greatly preferred house parties, which rarely where I live." or "I've always greatly preferred house parties, which rarely exist after college in my experience."

Because based on my experience that statement is bupkis!

August 4, 200915 yr

This is only 2 hours from Cincinnati:

See, this is too far for me to consider being part of the metro area at all. I think the cutoff should be at the MSA level for mid-size and large cities, or around 1 hour's drive. Sure every place has attractions beyond that, but how regularly will people use them? It's all about proximity. Two hours is not good proximity and it's stretching for a daytrip, not to mention that's some serious gas costs. In my Pontiac Vibe, I'd rip through a whole tank of gas. That's about $35. Sorry, but that's a ton of money and could buy me a hooker on Cherry Street.

That's why I'd argue Portland has a pretty big trump card (say 10,000 feet) over most other places.

I don't know about that. New York City heavily uses the Adirondacks and they are more than 2 hours from The City. San Francisco uses Reno/Lake Tahoe like a Thai hooker on the weekends and that's a 2+ hour drive. Same with the Carolina Crescent with the Smokies, etc. 2 hours is reasonable to be "included" in a metropolitan area's "natural beauty." I mean, really, Portland ain't got shit on Seattle (Mount Rainier, Olympic Rainforest, the Sound, the deserts of central Washington, Mount Adams, blah blah) or even Los Angeles.

I personally can see why Colorado Springs got listed ahead of Denver (Garden of the Gods, Pikes Peak, Manitou Springs, all right next door; not 20 minutes away like Denver) but to place it over places like Seattle, Salt Lake City, Honolulu, or Los Angeles is kind-of suspect.

"You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers

August 4, 200915 yr

^Not the kind of house parties I'm used to. ;) Most cities don't allow them...

August 4, 200915 yr

I think this "list" caught my attention because it actually prompted me to do some online exploring of what some cities might have access to that we overlook.

I have a very vivid memory of being really enchanted by the area southeast of Cleveland, around Chagrin Falls. It gives you that "this is Ohio?" feeling. I think one of sprawl's biggest casualties isn't even the built sense of place, but that it has erased the natural sense of place from our collective consciousness down to a very shallow and sterotypical set of expectations. i.e. "Ohio is a dump," or "Florida is paradise!"

And yeah, ColDay is right about Colorado Springs. I didn't want to post something of Garden of the Gods because I thought it would be too obvious, but I mean really, it's pretty spectacular and it's 5 minutes from town.

August 4, 200915 yr

This is only 2 hours from Cincinnati:

See, this is too far for me to consider being part of the metro area at all. I think the cutoff should be at the MSA level for mid-size and large cities, or around 1 hour's drive. Sure every place has attractions beyond that, but how regularly will people use them? It's all about proximity. Two hours is not good proximity and it's stretching for a daytrip, not to mention that's some serious gas costs. In my Pontiac Vibe, I'd rip through a whole tank of gas. That's about $35. Sorry, but that's a ton of money and could buy me a hooker on Cherry Street.

That's why I'd argue Portland has a pretty big trump card (say 10,000 feet) over most other places.

I don't know about that. New York City heavily uses the Adirondacks and they are more than 2 hours from The City. San Francisco uses Reno/Lake Tahoe like a Thai hooker on the weekends and that's a 2+ hour drive. Same with the Carolina Crescent with the Smokies, etc. 2 hours is reasonable to be "included" in a metropolitan area's "natural beauty." I mean, really, Portland ain't got sh!t on Seattle (Mount Rainier, Olympic Rainforest, the Sound, the deserts of central Washington, Mount Adams, blah blah) or even Los Angeles.

I personally can see why Colorado Springs got listed ahead of Denver (Garden of the Gods, Pikes Peak, Manitou Springs, all right next door; not 20 minutes away like Denver) but to place it over places like Seattle, Salt Lake City, Honolulu, or Los Angeles is kind-of suspect.

I'm not familiar at all with Tahoe, but I bet there's more rich people there than say, at Put-in-Bay.

Well, that and the fact that the Bay Area is probably the country's most wealthiest metro while Toledo is...like Stockton...in comparison. So yes, Tahoe is extremely wealthy.

"You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers

February 18, 201015 yr

A friend sent me this note. Since we love to post published lists/rankings of cities (especially Ohio cities), let's put them all in the same place -- the garbage can at the same UO thread...

In Pictures: America's 20 Most Miserable Cities - And Ohio has 5 of them!

As seen on MSN.com, Forbes.com's Misery Measure takes into account unemployment, taxes (both sales and income), commute times, violent crime and how a city's pro sports teams have fared over the past two years. The most common themes for the included Ohio cities are an exodus of the population due to miserable weather, unemployment, high taxes, and corrupt public officials.

#1 Cleveland

#9 Canton

#12 Akron

#15 Toledo

#18 Youngstown

This is not a list we want to top! With 5 on the list, Ohio has more than any other state, followed by California, New York and Michigan.

Ohio MUST do something to make people want to live here. We need to create jobs, improve services (not reduce them!), improve transportation options, promote higher education, and otherwise give the educated a reason to want to stay, or to move here.

http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/11/americas-most-miserable-cities-business-beltway-miserable-cities_slide.html

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

February 18, 201015 yr

WTF is Forbes' deal with Ohio, and in particular, Cleveland? Who is on their staff that has such a deep grudge against us?

February 18, 201015 yr

Clearly most of the Forbes staff is actually originally from Cleveland. That is the only reason for them continuously hating on us.

February 18, 201015 yr

That's what I think too.

February 18, 201015 yr

I'm certainly not miserable and I love living in Cleveland, but let's face it, Ohio has a high tax rate, the county corruption probe isn't going to do perception any favors, and the economy isn't exactly thriving.

Ohio should reconsider how it generates income. Eliminate income tax; increase sales tax. In the end, if done right, the money would be the same but the perception would be enhanced. Oh? No state income tax in Ohio? Hmmm...maybe it's worth considering!

February 18, 201015 yr

What you're saying is that the best way to reduce the perception of misery in Ohio is to shift the tax burden from the wealthy to those who can least afford it.

February 18, 201015 yr

How much would we have to raise the sales tax to offset an elimination of the state income tax? I agree that income taxes are a big factor for both companies and individuals to consider when moving to a new State, but the last thing Ohio's government needs right now is a self-imposed drop in revenue. Has anybody crunched the numbers on that? And isn't our sales tax already somewhat high?

Also, if the Cavs win a title this year, will we still be #1?

February 18, 201015 yr

We're number 1! We're Number 1....

What in the hell was that picture of Cleveland from? Siberia?

February 18, 201015 yr

Forbes is less interested in quality of life and more focused on presence of capital.

February 18, 201015 yr

Wiping my brow that Cincinnati and Dayton weren't on the list...

Northeast Ohio (Toledo too) has some issues I gather.

February 18, 201015 yr

Perhaps it's because I'm not a man, or not much of a sports fan, but I think anything that measures "success" of a city based on the record of a sports team is just ridiculous. Is anyone really moving to Cleveland solely because LeBron is a good player, or specifically leaving because the Browns continue to suck? I mean, really?

February 18, 201015 yr

What you're saying is that the best way to reduce the perception of misery in Ohio is to shift the tax burden from the wealthy to those who can least afford it.

Yeah, clearly that is what I am saying. Since poor people spend the same amount of money on goods and services as the wealthy, it will absolutely shift the tax burden to the poor and attract rich people to the state where they can hoard their money in shoe boxes under their mattress inside their $20,000 house in Slavic Village. :roll:

February 18, 201015 yr

RnR I don't think anybody moves to a city or moves out of a city because of the sports teams but I think there is something to using it as a measure of miserableness. A lot of people (mostly males but some women too) use sports as an escape. So when your team wins it lifts your spirits and when they lose they are down a little more than usual.

February 18, 201015 yr

^Sports helps with the overall preception of a city. Pittsburgh is seen as a winning city because the Steelers have 6 titles. It also gives people something positive to rally around.

February 18, 201015 yr

I suppose. But I have never seen that used as a reason for a city being a great place to live. Move here, it's great, we have wonderful weather, great schools and our football team has been in the super bowl 3 times. Never have I seen that type of thing as a measurement when considering "best places to live." But perhaps I haven't looked hard enough.

February 18, 201015 yr

How much would we have to raise the sales tax to offset an elimination of the state income tax? I agree that income taxes are a big factor for both companies and individuals to consider when moving to a new State, but the last thing Ohio's government needs right now is a self-imposed drop in revenue. Has anybody crunched the numbers on that? And isn't our sales tax already somewhat high?

Also, if the Cavs win a title this year, will we still be #1?

I wouldn't know where to begin on how to structure it, but effectively this is how Texas became a thriving economy. They lured tech firms from CA and the Northeast to their State with the "hey, no state income tax!" bit. Dallas and it's suburbs took ads out in Silicon Valley publications for this reason alone.

Granted, they make up for it elsewhere (lots of toll roads, increased sales tax) but it worked.

There are tons of assets Ohio has already; those need to be capitalized on and something needs to change to start making some progress towards utilizing those assets. Why not look at the tax structure? You can see it's impact in Texas...businesses are even moving out of NYC to NJ for similar reasons.

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