http://cincinnati.com/blogs/economics/2011/01/01/a-decade-of-job-losses-for-ohio-and-kentucky/

 

 

Here are some crazy numbers for Austin, and Texas overall is listed also.

Austin MSA added 500,000 new residents over the past 10 years.

 

http://www.austinchamber.com/DoBusiness/...ation.html

 

 

 

That graph really puts in perspective why competition for jobs is so fierce in Toledo. There was slight metro population growth coupled with huge job losses. With those kinds of job losses, you would expect population loss.

 

It's also shocking to see that even in Columbus, there was overall job loss since 2000. You would never guess that based on the development in both the city and suburbs. That's a very sad graph and sad article about our state's economy.

 

Ohio ended the decade with 551,000 fewer jobs, a decline of 9.8 percent.  Kentucky ended the decade with 57,600 fewer jobs a decline of 3.2 percent.  The United States also experienced net job losses during the period declining by 0.7 percent.

Yeah, the magnitude of job loss in Ohio dwarfs the losses in Kentucky, with the exception of Cincinnati & Akron.  Bowling Green and E-Town are classic sunbelt boomers.  Good interstate acess and, in the case of E-town, a military assist to economic growth due to Fort Knox (think of similar military economies like, perhaps, Fayettville NC, or Killeen TX)

 

This lost decade has been featured in local media in Louisville, about that metropolitan areas' stalling economy, with a big concern about education levels.  What's suprising is how poorly Lexington has done, as the Bluegrass was, for most of the post WWII era, the big growth region in the state.

 

 

 

 

detroit?

 

No Youngstown either.

 

I guess some places have finally bottomed-out.  And vacancy rates might have shrunk due to demolitions.  Lower vacancies since the houses are gone.

 

As I said before places like Dayton might be on the front-end of a process that Detroit is at the back-end of.  We are already starting to see arson picking up, tho no "Dayton Devils Night" just yet (though it would be kind of cool to sit in the cocktail lounge atop the Crowne Plaza and watch the fires, if it comes to that).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ohio's story is about to end if things don't dramatically change soon.  Ohio may become a mediocre mix of WV and Detroit, which is fitting since it's sandwiched between the two.

Ohio's story is about to end if things don't dramatically change soon. Ohio may become a mediocre mix of WV and Detroit, which is fitting since it's sandwiched between the two.

Or even worse, a cross between southern Indiana & Kentucky..  Give me metro Detroit over Indiana, and WV over Kentucky, at least WV is a state closer to the Atlantic.

<A Href="http://thestir.cafemom.com/home_garden/114937/15_gayest_cities_in_america">15 Gayest Cities in America: Is Your City Gay Friendly? </A>

 

Top 15 Gayest Cities in America, according to The Advocate

 

1. Minneapolis, MN

2. Santa Fe, NM

3. Las Vegas, NV

4. Orlando, FL

5. Pittsburgh, PA

6. Vancouver, WA

7. Atlanta, GA

8. Washington, D.C.

9. Seattle, WA

10. St Louis, MO

11. San Francisco, CA

12. Cleveland, OH

13. Denver, CO

14. Oakland, CA

15. Miami, FL

 

Really?  Cleveland over Columbus?  Living in Milwaukee and loving Ohio, I talk to people all the time about the state.  People don't know much about the cities in Ohio, but they all seem to "know" that Columbus is a "gay mecca."

Cleveland still has to develop its identity and then bring in people who are interested in pursuing that. We can retain manufacturing and even expand it, but we need to keep pushing healthcare hard, and to really have a worldwide healthcare hub, we need locals who are going to provide some of the revenue, not a shrinking population that will lead our institutions to continually spread themselves out farther and farther in search of profit.

 

The bottom line is people, it's always going to be people. Why is China exploding? People + capital! There are so many people who suddenly have access to economic opportunity, that even if individually they make small gains, the net effect is tremendous and creates a thriving, surging core. The US is still drowning in money, even in a recession, but growth stalls in regions like this because we can't seem to bring new institutions or people here.

 

There are still hundreds of millions of people looking for new opportunity, but we're caught up in a losing battle to preserve, protect, defend, etc...bring in the new, or there won't be anyone left to appreciate the old. I say immigration built the city, and immigration (or intra-state migration, whatever) can save the city.

Really? Cleveland over Columbus? Living in Milwaukee and loving Ohio, I talk to people all the time about the state. People don't know much about the cities in Ohio, but they all seem to "know" that Columbus is a "gay mecca."

 

They put Pittsburgh and Orlando ahead of San Francisco.  That should've told you that this list was bunk.

Does Columbus have a DP registry?  If not, that might be a reason Cleveland ranked ahead of it in being "gay friendly"

<A Href="http://thestir.cafemom.com/home_garden/114937/15_gayest_cities_in_america">15 Gayest Cities in America: Is Your City Gay Friendly? </A>

 

Top 15 Gayest Cities in America, according to The Advocate

 

1. Minneapolis, MN

2. Santa Fe, NM

3. Las Vegas, NV

4. Orlando, FL

5. Pittsburgh, PA

6. Vancouver, WA

7. Atlanta, GA

8. Washington, D.C.

9. Seattle, WA

10. St Louis, MO

11. San Francisco, CA

12. Cleveland, OH

13. Denver, CO

14. Oakland, CA

15. Miami, FL

 

 

Where does Provincetown fit in this? Maybe there's a higher percentage of gays in summer but there wasn't a single straight bar in town. Are they only comparing large cities?

<A Href="http://thestir.cafemom.com/home_garden/114937/15_gayest_cities_in_america">15 Gayest Cities in America: Is Your City Gay Friendly? </A>

 

Top 15 Gayest Cities in America, according to The Advocate

 

1. Minneapolis, MN

2. Santa Fe, NM

3. Las Vegas, NV

4. Orlando, FL

5. Pittsburgh, PA

6. Vancouver, WA

7. Atlanta, GA

8. Washington, D.C.

9. Seattle, WA

10. St Louis, MO

11. San Francisco, CA

12. Cleveland, OH

13. Denver, CO

14. Oakland, CA

15. Miami, FL

 

 

Where does Provincetown fit in this? Maybe there's a higher percentage of gays in summer but there wasn't a single straight bar in town. Are they only comparing large cities?

 

I thought so until Vancouver, WA showed up on the list.  This may be worse than Forbes.

The interesting item of note for many metro areas is some of the aging and declining older suburban areas.

The housing inventory in some of these neighborhoods has declined and who are the future buyers or residents?

 

^No NYC or San Fran on a list of friendliest cities for gays? 

san fran is

Oh true...haha my bad.  Still, one would think it would be higher on there, as well as LA (or West Hollywood if they're doing smaller municipalities).

Looking at the rating score under each cities article, I see Cleveland has 29 Lesbian bars.....

Looking the ratings over again...points were assigned in each category. Cleveland had 29 points earned for Lesbian bars...sorry...

Really? Cleveland over Columbus? Living in Milwaukee and loving Ohio, I talk to people all the time about the state. People don't know much about the cities in Ohio, but they all seem to "know" that Columbus is a "gay mecca."

 

may depend on who you're talking to. cle=west village and cols=chelsea. that is, older vs newer meccas. but definately that list=bah.

 

Cleveland ranks No. 7 in Monster.com list of hottest job markets

 

Healthcare and IT

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20110121/BLOGS03/110129943

 

Hottest Job Markets for 2011:

 

1. Washington, DC

2. San Francisco, CA

3. Boston, MA

4. Baltimore, MD

5. Seattle, WA

6. Minneapolis, MN

7. Cleveland, OH

8. Tampa, FL

9. Dallas, TX

10. Kansas City, MS

 

 

Yep, I also posted Monster.com's Business Wire press release over on the General Cleveland Business News thread at:

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,15104.msg538990.html#msg538990

 

Now that is a list I can actually believe since Monster is counting its own job listings.

^Kansas City, MS??!! I thought it was Kansas City, MO! Hahaha.

^Hmm and they hired them?

Really?  Cleveland over Columbus?  Living in Milwaukee and loving Ohio, I talk to people all the time about the state.  People don't know much about the cities in Ohio, but they all seem to "know" that Columbus is a "gay mecca."

 

Child hush!  Seriously....You young Queens dont know shit!  Western Cleveland/Lakewood has ALWAYS had a reputation of being gay/gay friendly!  Gays were partying and living in Edgewater/Lakewood, the Warehouse District and Cleveland and the Eastside of downtown before anyone thought of Columbus.  Why start a pitching match when you're not familiar with gay life in Cleveland.

Really?  Cleveland over Columbus?  Living in Milwaukee and loving Ohio, I talk to people all the time about the state.  People don't know much about the cities in Ohio, but they all seem to "know" that Columbus is a "gay mecca."

 

Child hush!  Seriously....You young Queens dont know shit!  Western Cleveland/Lakewood has ALWAYS had a reputation of being gay/gay friendly!  Gays were partying and living in Edgewater/Lakewood, the Warehouse District and Cleveland and the Eastside of downtown before anyone thought of Columbus.  Why start a pitching match when you're not familiar with gay life in Cleveland.

 

I'm sure you see the irony of your post.  The whole "bitch please!  We had it before them" schtick followed by "you aren't familiar with gay Cleveland."  Clearly, if somebody from Milwaukee is saying that Columbus is more famous nationally for being a place for gays over Cleveland, you have some splain'n to do, Lucy!

Really?  Cleveland over Columbus?  Living in Milwaukee and loving Ohio, I talk to people all the time about the state.  People don't know much about the cities in Ohio, but they all seem to "know" that Columbus is a "gay mecca."

 

Child hush!  Seriously....You young Queens dont know sh!t!  Western Cleveland/Lakewood has ALWAYS had a reputation of being gay/gay friendly!  Gays were partying and living in Edgewater/Lakewood, the Warehouse District and Cleveland and the Eastside of downtown before anyone thought of Columbus.  Why start a pitching match when you're not familiar with gay life in Cleveland.

 

I'm sure you see the irony of your post.  The whole "bitch please!  We had it before them" schtick followed by "you aren't familiar with gay Cleveland."  Clearly, if somebody from Milwaukee is saying that Columbus is more famous nationally for being a place for gays over Cleveland, you have some splain'n to do, Lucy!

 

Booty hush!

Stick with the godson, Pacino.

Once again, I would say the there is a difference between a "gay mecca" and being "gay friendly". 

That's like saying Atlanta is a "black mecca" and being "black friendly."  The two run concurrent.  One can be "friendly" and not be a "mecca" but the opposite cannot be true.

And Cleveland is gay friendly even if it is not a "mecca".... however you want to define that.  That's all I am saying.  It has a dp registry.  Does Columbus?  That is representative not of the presence of the gay community in the City, but rather the City's friendliness towards gays.  Further, Cleveland Hts was the first community in the entire country to create a registry by ballot measure.  I'm not saying anything about Columbus.  I really don't know enough about the gay scene down there to downplay it.

CMD's nothing but a hater. kid needs to get a life.

CMD's nothing but a hater. kid needs to get a life.

WTF?

Well, I don't know who CMD is but CDM rocks!

 

And Cleveland is gay friendly even if it is not a "mecca".... however you want to define that. That's all I am saying. It has a dp registry. Does Columbus? That is representative not of the presence of the gay community in the City, but rather the City's friendliness towards gays. Further, Cleveland Hts was the first community in the entire country to create a registry by ballot measure. I'm not saying anything about Columbus. I really don't know enough about the gay scene down there to downplay it.

 

That's my point really.  Cleveland can be gay friendly (which I'm sure it is if it has a domestic partner registry) but it isn't a mecca.  I have no clue if Columbus has a registry or not but it is a "mecca" (at least according to the NY Times! LOL!) and is certainly gay friendly.

Then what the H E double hockey sticks are you arguing about.  Heaven forbid Cleveland end up on the right end of one of these lists without the usual suspects coming in to pour water on it

The only thing I began this latest shitty list was following up on ProkNo5 response with:

 

Really?  Cleveland over Columbus?  Living in Milwaukee and loving Ohio, I talk to people all the time about the state.  People don't know much about the cities in Ohio, but they all seem to "know" that Columbus is a "gay mecca."

 

They put Pittsburgh and Orlando ahead of San Francisco.  That should've told you that this list was bunk.

 

Not even mentioning Cleveland.  Yet, MTS says...

 

Really?  Cleveland over Columbus?  Living in Milwaukee and loving Ohio, I talk to people all the time about the state.  People don't know much about the cities in Ohio, but they all seem to "know" that Columbus is a "gay mecca."

 

Child hush!  Seriously....You young Queens dont know shit!  Western Cleveland/Lakewood has ALWAYS had a reputation of being gay/gay friendly!  Gays were partying and living in Edgewater/Lakewood, the Warehouse District and Cleveland and the Eastside of downtown before anyone thought of Columbus.  Why start a pitching match when you're not familiar with gay life in Cleveland.

 

So, save the "woe is us with the positivity list" schitck for some other time.  I mean, wow. 

 

MTS can say "Columbus was a cowtown while Cleveland was sippin' on cosmos!"

 

I say "Bitch please."

 

and you and Clefan98 come in and say "Oh, it's those usual suspects (re: CMD) hatin' on Cleveland again!"

 

This works like clockwork.

The only thing I began this latest sh!tty list was following up on ProkNo5 response with:

 

Really?  Cleveland over Columbus?  Living in Milwaukee and loving Ohio, I talk to people all the time about the state.  People don't know much about the cities in Ohio, but they all seem to "know" that Columbus is a "gay mecca."

 

They put Pittsburgh and Orlando ahead of San Francisco.  That should've told you that this list was bunk.

 

Not even mentioning Cleveland.  Yet, MTS says...

 

Really?  Cleveland over Columbus?  Living in Milwaukee and loving Ohio, I talk to people all the time about the state.  People don't know much about the cities in Ohio, but they all seem to "know" that Columbus is a "gay mecca."

 

Child hush!  Seriously....You young Queens dont know sh!t!  Western Cleveland/Lakewood has ALWAYS had a reputation of being gay/gay friendly!  Gays were partying and living in Edgewater/Lakewood, the Warehouse District and Cleveland and the Eastside of downtown before anyone thought of Columbus.  Why start a pitching match when you're not familiar with gay life in Cleveland.

 

So, save the "woe is us with the positivity list" schitck for some other time.  I mean, wow. 

 

MTS can say "Columbus was a cowtown while Cleveland was sippin' on cosmos!"

 

I say "Bitch please."

 

and you and Clefan98 come in and say "Oh, it's those usual suspects (re: CMD) hatin' on Cleveland again!"

 

This works like clockwork.

I would never use that first was.  I would replace it with another form of the verb "to be".  >:D >:D

I'm beginning to think this thread should be renamed "Another dumb-ass thread which should just be locked as a reminder that participation on this forum is a privilege, not a right".

 

:cry:

Top 10 Museums in the US for Families

With so many choices and varieties, it can be easy to become overwhelmed with culture in the United States. In particular, families with teens and kids can become confused about which exhibits are age appropriate and when to go. Luckily, these ten museums have the exhibits and amenities that work perfectly for families and it just so happens that they're among the best collections in the country. So pack up the entire family and visit these top 10 US museums.

 

Cleveland Museum of Art, Cleveland, Ohio

With such an extensive collection of works, you'd think the Cleveland Museum of Art frowned on bringing young children. However, they couldn't be happier to host the entire family and feel art can have an effect on children as young as preschool-aged. Strollers to rent are available at the front desk and an in-house café is stocked with fruits and veggies they'll love to nibble on.

Must see: Get a map and be sure to tour the names everyone in the family will know and understand. Van Gogh, Degas, Picasso... the familiarity will be a great bonding experience

 

http://news.travel.aol.com/2011/01/21/top-10-museums-in-the-us-for-families/

Each city has its strengths and one of ours is that it has a huge and visible population that has resulted in the city having gained a "gay mecca" label nationwide with tons of amenities that aren't found elsewhere in the state, let alone in the region outside of Chicago. Columbus is the gay capital of the state and there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that.

...wait, what?

Each city has its strengths and one of ours is that it has a huge and visible population that has resulted in the city having gained a "gay mecca" label nationwide with tons of amenities that aren't found elsewhere in the state, let alone in the region outside of Chicago. Columbus is the gay capital of the state and there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that.

 

Just curious, what would those amenities be that cant be found elsewhere in the state? 

 

*I mean I lived in Columbus for a number of years and agree that it is likely Ohio's most out city (mostly as result of its demographic), but I tended to think of Columbus as lacking the amenities that I was used to having in Cleveland and other places (as in not as cosmopolitan). 

<b> Cities on the Brink</b>

 

Are you sure you want to live here?

 

Most of these cities aren't in imminent danger of bankruptcy or default, but fiscal irresponsibility, a deteriorating tax base, soaring pension costs or a combination of all three means residents may want to consider moving before they get stuck with the bill...

 

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2011/0214/real-estate-bankruptcy-taxes-pensions-cities-on-brink.html

Yeah, I don't think Chicago, New York or San Fransisco are on the brink anytime soon. 

The Easiest Cities For Finding A Job:

 

7. (tie) Cleveland

 

45 job postings per 1,000 population between October and December 2010.

 

http://www.forbes.com/2011/01/25/cities-jobs-employment-leadership-careers-hiring-easiest_slide.html

 

I do not understand that Forbes article.  My understanding is that we have one of the lowest projected deficits for next year of most major cities (10$ million) as stated in the PD.  This Forbes article states we are already behind (9 days)?!?  One thing I praise our mayor on is his fiscal responsibility.  We have not experienced the major layoffs and cuts of services as experienced in other cities.  This article is absolutely false.  Am I misinformed or is Forbes out of control?

Isn't the portion about Cleveland contradictory? They sight the shrinking population as part of their reasoning but state 50% of revenue is from income taxes and 85% of that is from commuters living in the suburbs.

Each city has its strengths and one of ours is that it has a huge and visible population that has resulted in the city having gained a "gay mecca" label nationwide with tons of amenities that aren't found elsewhere in the state, let alone in the region outside of Chicago. Columbus is the gay capital of the state and there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that.

 

Just curious, what would those amenities be that cant be found elsewhere in the state?  

 

*I mean I lived in Columbus for a number of years and agree that it is likely Ohio's most out city (mostly as result of its demographic), but I tended to think of Columbus as lacking the amenities that I was used to having in Cleveland and other places (as in not as cosmopolitan).  

 

Columbus has more gay and lesbian bars than the rest of Ohio combined. Downtown alone is home to a lesbian bar, lesbian dance club, two gay bars and a new black gay bar is slated to open where another seedy one closed recently. The Short North has a gay dance club, a lesbian dive bar that's been around back when the SN was a shithole, and 3 gay bars (4 if you count Exile just a few blocks east of the SN), while the South Side has 6 gay bars.

 

Columbus' neighborhoods compete individually against Cleveland and Cincinnati's gay bars citywide, six and seven respectively. I don't know how Columbus would be less cosmopolitan unless it's 1982: we've got numerous dense, bustling urban neighborhoods with plenty of stuff within walking distance of each. There's really no way another Ohio city would outrank us when it comes to being a "gay mecca".

^Wait they are called amenities now?