Each city has its strengths and one of ours is that it has a huge and visible population that has resulted in the city having gained a "gay mecca" label nationwide with tons of amenities that aren't found elsewhere in the state, let alone in the region outside of Chicago. Columbus is the gay capital of the state and there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that.

 

Just curious, what would those amenities be that cant be found elsewhere in the state? 

 

*I mean I lived in Columbus for a number of years and agree that it is likely Ohio's most out city (mostly as result of its demographic), but I tended to think of Columbus as lacking the amenities that I was used to having in Cleveland and other places (as in not as cosmopolitan). 

 

Columbus has more gay and lesbian bars than the rest of Ohio combined. Downtown alone is home to a lesbian bar, lesbian dance club, two gay bars and a new black gay bar is slated to open where another seedy one closed recently. The Short North has a gay dance club, a lesbian dive bar that's been around back when the SN was a sh!thole, and 3 gay bars (4 if you count Exile just a few blocks east of the SN), while the South Side has 6 gay bars.

 

Columbus' neighborhoods compete individually against Cleveland and Cincinnati's gay bars citywide, six and seven respectively. I don't know how Columbus would be less cosmopolitan unless it's 1982: we've got numerous dense, bustling urban neighborhoods with plenty of stuff within walking distance of each. There's really no way another Ohio city would outrank us when it comes to being a "gay mecca".

 

I find that hard to believe.  Make me a believer.

I didnt realize you were equating gay bars to "amenities".  That I would give you, but not really what I think of when I think of amenities... In fact I find that rather odd :||

   

We are talking amenities in the context of the "gay mecca" label. And if you're talking amenities in general it's impossible that you would go to the Short North, German Village, Old North Columbus, etc and consider it a step down in the number and variety of urban amenities in general. I know that's the reason I've lived carless for a few years now.

 

Anyway, as for Columbus vs. rest of Ohio regarding gay bars, well, Toledo surprisingly holds its own (5) against Cleveland (6) and Cincinnati (7), which I wasn't expecting. So that's 18. I've listed 17 so far in Columbus and with Club 20 and AWOL, that leaves Columbus ahead of Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Toledo combined with 19 total, but once you add in Dayton's three those four cities just narrowly beat Columbus. Regardless, point proven as far as Columbus being the gay mecca/capital of Ohio without a doubt.

Then why didnt you just say "more gay bars" as opposed to "tons of amenities that cant be found elsewhere in the state".  I ususally consider amenities as something that contributes to quality of life, not so much a place to drink or hook up.

 

But realistically likely the only people that that is going to matter to is young gay people which without a doubt Columbus has an abundance of due to the University. 

Where did u get 6 from anyway just wondering? Here is just one article and they mention about 11 different ones and im sure there are more.

http://cleveland.about.com/od/lgbtcleveland/tp/clevelandgaybars.htm

Which city has the most straight bars?..... do we have any "straight meccas" in Ohio?

Which city has the most straight bars?..... do we have any "straight meccas" in Ohio?

 

Well Ive always heard that Cleveland has more bars per capita than any other city, which apparently means it has more amenities than any city in Ohio, so yes I guess that would make it a straight mecca.

Once again: context. If you can't understand how something is related within a certain context that's not my problem. Of course, every city is a straight mecca, hence why there exists a list of cities that are gay meccas.

We are talking amenities in the context of the "gay mecca" label. And if you're talking amenities in general it's impossible that you would go to the Short North, German Village, Old North Columbus, etc and consider it a step down in the number and variety of urban amenities in general. I know that's the reason I've lived carless for a few years now.

 

Anyway, as for Columbus vs. rest of Ohio regarding gay bars, well, Toledo surprisingly holds its own (5) against Cleveland (6) and Cincinnati (7), which I wasn't expecting. So that's 18. I've listed 17 so far in Columbus and with Club 20 and AWOL, that leaves Columbus ahead of Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Toledo combined with 19 total, but once you add in Dayton's three those four cities just narrowly beat Columbus. Regardless, point proven as far as Columbus being the gay mecca/capital of Ohio without a doubt.

 

6?  What are they?

Which city has the most straight bars?..... do we have any "straight meccas" in Ohio?

 

Well Ive always heard that Cleveland has more bars per capita than any other city, which apparently means it has more amenities than any city in Ohio, so yes I guess that would make it a straight mecca.

 

Yeah I just looked it up.  According to many sources Cleveland not only has the "most bars per capita" but also "most golf courses per capita", a straight mecca indeed. 

There are at least six gay bars on Detroit alone.  Here: Bounce, The Hawk, Tool Shed, Cocktails, The Crossover, and Club Cleveland.  I don't think that Cleveland or Columbus qualify as any kind of gay "mecca".  Unless you define Mecca as "anywhere that two people with the same interests are". Or, "anywhere where there's a Muslim and a prayer mat." Neither shows up in the top ten by population or percentage in the American Community Survey. 

Honestly, I don`t even know what bars or restaurants in Columbus are "gay" or "gay friendly". It all kind of blends in, especially in The Short North and German Village. You can easily walk into a random place you've never heard of or been to before and be confused about it.

Oops, I had Cleveland and Cincinnati mixed up. The about.com list doesn't show the date that was put together and Hamilton's seems like it's closed...I see now the list is clearly outdated: Apex no longer exists as it's now Hush. I had come across Club Agros, Cocktails Cleveland/Daddy's, Hush, Mean Bull, The Nickel (whoops, that one closed), The Tool Shed/Crossover, and Twist. It looks like I missed Bounce, Leather Stallion, and Bottoms Up; for some reason it's kind of hard to find some of these places. I wouldn't include Club Cleveland, since it's a bathhouse and I wasn't including any of those among Columbus' bars/clubs. In my tally of gay Columbus establishments all of them are still open as of today. Columbus, even with over 100,000 less residents in the urban core, does boast a good deal more places and certainly earns the label of gay mecca.

 

I'll reiterate. There is virtually no difference in the size of the gay populations in Cleveland and Columbus. Columbus has a higher percentage, but compared to the rest of the nation it's nothing you would call a "Mecca". The metro is 11th by percentage, just behind the gay Mecca of Hartford Connecticut. The city itself is 18th by percentage, just behind the Mecca of Rochester New York.

That's not the main point of my last post, which is that Columbus offers twice as many gay-oriented bars/clubs than any other Ohio city. For visitors, this is what is going to re-enforce the image as a gay mecca, not how many houses on quiet residential streets are homes to homosexuals, particularly with our huge gay pride parade. There's no denying that the Short North is largely responsible for this image thanks to the density and walkability between such establishments. Level, Axis, Union, and Havana are all within a couple blocks of each other (Blazer's is a few blocks north of Havana, a bit out of the way), while if you want to walk from one of the gay bars over in Edgewater to Bounce you've got quite a haul. Downtown Columbus' gay district is also concentrated: three bars along N 5th St plus another two in the next few blocks just west of there.

 

Once again, it's the sheer preponderance of establishments that cater to gays/lesbians which is why other cities like Hartford and Rochester, despite large gay populations, aren't well-known as gay meccas because they don't offer anything close to the scale of what is found here. From an Ohio-wide website, Insiderohio.com, Columbus is clearly listed as the center of gay Ohio, including a quote from The Advocate which states that Columbus is the “gay mecca of Ohio”.

 

As far as randomly walking in for not having your gaydar go off, I could see that at Level or Blazer's before it starts to sink in, but Union no, and that goes quadruple for Axis. Even less so when it comes to places on High next to GV where the rainbows, especially Tremont Lounge (is it anything like Tremont in Cleveland?) where the lettering itself has the rainbow theme. I would never accidentally set foot in Tremont due to the seedy look of the place and knowing that it's a gay bar while also taking into account that I'm a rather handsome man. I stumbled into Bow Wow in Merion Village which most definitely looks like the antithesis of a gay bar (it looked like the sleazy den for criminals that it used to be), but the drag queens inside quickly cleared things up. That was with friends though, I doubt I would have gone in solo.

Gay people are creepy, and desirable. That's the vibe I'm getting from the last post. It's a weird one.

Gay people are creepy, and desirable. That's the vibe I'm getting from the last post. It's a weird one.

 

Gay people are creepy, and desirable. That's the vibe I'm getting from the last post. It's a weird one.

 

You should go through and read the whole series of them..  :?

I'm stuck on the bar names... Tool Shed?  Leather Stallion?  Bottoms Up?  Mean Bull?  Can't say they didn't warn ya.

Dont forget Man's World!  eeks...

Youtube failed me... I was going to insert the scene from Chasing Amy where Jason Lee looks around at all of the women kissing and realizes that the Kit-Kat-Klub is a lesbian bar and goes "Aha!"

 

I have lived in Victorian village, German Village and Lakewood. There really are no equivalent Gay-borhoods in Cleveland to the Short North/Victorian village and to lesser extent the gentrified German Village of today. Yes there is a sizable gay population in Lakewood but  there are just a lot of people period and besides a small concentration at Clifton and 117th area, very little of it is concentrated in one area. More like a gay couple or two on every street. Ignorant Clevelanders can go on and on about how Gay Lakewood is, but they are going more on hearsay than actual experience.

Yeah, but you never really make it as a gayborhood until Trivial Pursuit acknowledges you as one (Lakewood: third-largest in the U.S.).  :-D

 

 

OK, please tell me there's another new dumb-ass list in our future so we can move on to the next meaningless debate!

We are talking amenities in the context of the "gay mecca" label. And if you're talking amenities in general it's impossible that you would go to the Short North, German Village, Old North Columbus, etc and consider it a step down in the number and variety of urban amenities in general. I know that's the reason I've lived carless for a few years now.

 

Anyway, as for Columbus vs. rest of Ohio regarding gay bars, well, Toledo surprisingly holds its own (5) against Cleveland (6) and Cincinnati (7), which I wasn't expecting. So that's 18. I've listed 17 so far in Columbus and with Club 20 and AWOL, that leaves Columbus ahead of Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Toledo combined with 19 total, but once you add in Dayton's three those four cities just narrowly beat Columbus. Regardless, point proven as far as Columbus being the gay mecca/capital of Ohio without a doubt.

 

Okay, Here's what I've got:

Cleveland:

BOUNCE, A Man's World Complex,The Hawk, Twist, Leather Stallion Saloon, Union Cafe, Cocktails Cleveland, Mean Bull, Bottoms Up, Lemons and Limes, Hush, Now That's Class, Happy Dog, Chubby's North Coast Grille and Bar  (15)

 

Cincinnati: Adonis, Below Zero Lounge, On Broadway, Rosie's Tavern, Simon Says, Little Bit Bar, The Yadda Club, Old Street Saloon, Serpent, Main Event, Bronz, 701 Bar and Lounge, Golden Lions, Shooters, The Dock, Crazy Fox  (16)

 

Columbus: Union Bar + Food, Exile, Axis Nightclub, Level, Havana Video Lounge, AWOL, Trafik, Slammers, Blazer's Pub, Wall Street, Club 20, Club Diversity, Tremont II, Southbend Tavern, Cavan Irish Pub, Inn Rehab, (16)

 

Toledo: Rip Cord, Bretz Bar, R House (3)

 

Dayton: Club Masque, M J's Cafe, Club Aquarius, Stage Door, Up on Main  (5)

 

Akron: Square, Adams Street Bar, The Interbelt, Inferno, Angel Falls Coffee Company, Coctails/Daddy's, Tear-Ez, Roseto Club, The Office (9)

 

 

I'm on your side in that Columbus is the "Gay Mecca" but I don't think your bar counts are accurrate, and stating that there are more gay bars in COLS than the rest of the state combined is flat out wrong.  Seperately, it looks like Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Columbus are pretty much the same. I'm surprised by Akron though.  9 for a city of that size is pretty impressive. 

 

...Cleveland does have the world's largest bathhouse though.  ;)

If this is a gay pissing contest, I'm in.

If this is a gay pissing contest, I'm in.

 

Let's play a game.  I like riding jetskis.  Are we talking about the same thing?

Bottoms Up lmao

ProkNo5, why did you include Angel Falls on your Akron list? I mean, it is a pretty gay friendly establishment, but I don't see it as exclusively gay.

FWIW, unscientific straight guy opinion... every inch of Columbus seems more gay than Lakewood.  I really think the gay Lakewood thing is a misnomer. 

'Cocktails' takes the cake.... and it's not even close.

 

^how does every inch of a city seem gay?  Just wondering....

I think people think of Lakewood as gay, because when you visit the city, and their establishments such as Melt, you are likely to see a gay couple. Most suburbs that is something that you do not see often. So when your sitting by 10 couples and one happens to be gay, it then makes the individual believe that the entire city is gay, ignoring all the surrounding straight couples. Does it make sense? Not really, but I believe that is a reason people think it.

Happy Dog and Now That's Class in Cleveland are definitely not gay bars. Though Now That's Class is most definitely right next to the Hawk, which is.

 

We are talking amenities in the context of the "gay mecca" label. And if you're talking amenities in general it's impossible that you would go to the Short North, German Village, Old North Columbus, etc and consider it a step down in the number and variety of urban amenities in general. I know that's the reason I've lived carless for a few years now.

 

Anyway, as for Columbus vs. rest of Ohio regarding gay bars, well, Toledo surprisingly holds its own (5) against Cleveland (6) and Cincinnati (7), which I wasn't expecting. So that's 18. I've listed 17 so far in Columbus and with Club 20 and AWOL, that leaves Columbus ahead of Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Toledo combined with 19 total, but once you add in Dayton's three those four cities just narrowly beat Columbus. Regardless, point proven as far as Columbus being the gay mecca/capital of Ohio without a doubt.

 

Okay, Here's what I've got:

Cleveland:

BOUNCE, A Man's World Complex,The Hawk, Twist, Leather Stallion Saloon, Union Cafe, Cocktails Cleveland, Mean Bull, Bottoms Up, Lemons and Limes, Hush, Now That's Class, Happy Dog, Chubby's North Coast Grille and Bar (15)

 

Cincinnati: Adonis, Below Zero Lounge, On Broadway, Rosie's Tavern, Simon Says, Little Bit Bar, The Yadda Club, Old Street Saloon, Serpent, Main Event, Bronz, 701 Bar and Lounge, Golden Lions, Shooters, The Dock, Crazy Fox (16)

 

Columbus: Union Bar + Food, Exile, Axis Nightclub, Level, Havana Video Lounge, AWOL, Trafik, Slammers, Blazer's Pub, Wall Street, Club 20, Club Diversity, Tremont II, Southbend Tavern, Cavan Irish Pub, Inn Rehab, (16)

 

Toledo: Rip Cord, Bretz Bar, R House (3)

 

Dayton: Club Masque, M J's Cafe, Club Aquarius, Stage Door, Up on Main (5)

 

Akron: Square, Adams Street Bar, The Interbelt, Inferno, Angel Falls Coffee Company, Coctails/Daddy's, Tear-Ez, Roseto Club, The Office (9)

 

 

I'm on your side in that Columbus is the "Gay Mecca" but I don't think your bar counts are accurrate, and stating that there are more gay bars in COLS than the rest of the state combined is flat out wrong. Seperately, it looks like Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Columbus are pretty much the same. I'm surprised by Akron though. 9 for a city of that size is pretty impressive.

 

...Cleveland does have the world's largest bathhouse though. ;)

'Cocktails' takes the cake.... and it's not even close.

 

^how does every inch of a city seem gay? Just wondering....

 

Hyperbole, but I'm basing it on people I know and people they know.  Maybe it's just random chance but there seem to be more gay people in every Columbus sample.  I also saw more pride type events taking place in a couple years living there than anywhere before or since.  The sheer size of OSU may have something to do with that.

I think people think of Lakewood as gay, because when you visit the city, and their establishments such as Melt, you are likely to see a gay couple. Most suburbs that is something that you do not see often. So when your sitting by 10 couples and one happens to be gay, it then makes the individual believe that the entire city is gay, ignoring all the surrounding straight couples. Does it make sense? Not really, but I believe that is a reason people think it.

 

Ok.I really don't want to talk about this anymore either, so last post and I will shut up. Part of it might be an age thing because I was in my early 20's when I lived in Columbus and now I am in my 30's in full family mode , but it seems that the short north's status as a "Gay Mecca" (whatever the fuck that means) tends to attract people who move there and act "more" (key word) stereotypically  gay. I think it's the same way that a lot of people who move to LA think they need to act like rockstars or people that move to BK need to act like hipster A-holes. Lakewood seems to attract locals who are just looking about for a place where they can go about there business , not get hassled and be schlubs like the rest of us. It also attracts a lot of gay couple looking for a tolerant environment to raise their kids. Most of my gay friends now are either neighbors or people I met through my kids activities.

 

One list we can agree on Cleveland is 1# in professional sports misery. Compliments of WFNY.

 

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2011/01/extreme-wfny-part-1-is-cleveland-americas-current-worst-sports-city/

ProkNo5, why did you include Angel Falls on your Akron list? I mean, it is a pretty gay friendly establishment, but I don't see it as exclusively gay.

 

I took this list from gaycities.com.  They're the only website I know of that is updated by locals...and according to the locals it's a gay coffee-bar serving alcoholic beverages too.  I thought it was weird too.

^I don't think that they serve any alcoholic beverages, but I could be wrong. Oh well.

I think that that makes Cleveland a horrible sports Mecca. It also has more BW3s than the rest of the state combined.

We are talking amenities in the context of the "gay mecca" label. And if you're talking amenities in general it's impossible that you would go to the Short North, German Village, Old North Columbus, etc and consider it a step down in the number and variety of urban amenities in general. I know that's the reason I've lived carless for a few years now.

 

Anyway, as for Columbus vs. rest of Ohio regarding gay bars, well, Toledo surprisingly holds its own (5) against Cleveland (6) and Cincinnati (7), which I wasn't expecting. So that's 18. I've listed 17 so far in Columbus and with Club 20 and AWOL, that leaves Columbus ahead of Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Toledo combined with 19 total, but once you add in Dayton's three those four cities just narrowly beat Columbus. Regardless, point proven as far as Columbus being the gay mecca/capital of Ohio without a doubt.

 

Okay, Here's what I've got:

Cleveland:

BOUNCE, A Man's World Complex,The Hawk, Twist, Leather Stallion Saloon, Union Cafe, Cocktails Cleveland, Mean Bull, Bottoms Up, Lemons and Limes, Hush, Now That's Class, Happy Dog, Chubby's North Coast Grille and Bar  (15)

 

Cincinnati: Adonis, Below Zero Lounge, On Broadway, Rosie's Tavern, Simon Says, Little Bit Bar, The Yadda Club, Old Street Saloon, Serpent, Main Event, Bronz, 701 Bar and Lounge, Golden Lions, Shooters, The Dock, Crazy Fox  (16)

 

Columbus: Union Bar + Food, Exile, Axis Nightclub, Level, Havana Video Lounge, AWOL, Trafik, Slammers, Blazer's Pub, Wall Street, Club 20, Club Diversity, Tremont II, Southbend Tavern, Cavan Irish Pub, Inn Rehab, (16)

 

Toledo: Rip Cord, Bretz Bar, R House (3)

 

Dayton: Club Masque, M J's Cafe, Club Aquarius, Stage Door, Up on Main  (5)

 

Akron: Square, Adams Street Bar, The Interbelt, Inferno, Angel Falls Coffee Company, Coctails/Daddy's, Tear-Ez, Roseto Club, The Office (9)

 

 

I'm on your side in that Columbus is the "Gay Mecca" but I don't think your bar counts are accurrate, and stating that there are more gay bars in COLS than the rest of the state combined is flat out wrong.  Seperately, it looks like Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Columbus are pretty much the same. I'm surprised by Akron though.  9 for a city of that size is pretty impressive. 

 

...Cleveland does have the world's largest bathhouse though.  ;)

 

You're missing The Bow Wow, Score, and...well that one hasn't opened yet. So that would be 18 unless I'm missing one for now.

 

On that website, Bounce and Union are the same place, Chubby's apparently doesn't exist according to comments on that website, like Now That's Class, Happy Dog isn't a gay bar, and there's no info on Lemons and Limes except it's where a closed Club Argos used to be bringing the total down to 10. Cincinnati's list also includes non-gay bars.

On that website, Bounce and Union are the same place, Chubby's apparently doesn't exist according to comments on that website, like Now That's Class, Happy Dog isn't a gay bar, and there's no info on Lemons and Limes except it's where a closed Club Argos used to be bringing the total down to 10. Cincinnati's list also includes non-gay bars.

If you're combining Bounce and Union in Cleveland, you might as well combine Union and Axis in Columbus.

Union and Axis are not in the same building: they are two separate places, but even then Columbus boasts seven more. Just wanted to clear up that we are the gay mecca of the state. Now moving on...

This has to be the dumbest discussion ever had on UO.

This has to be the dumbest discussion ever had on UO.

 

Agreed! and we've had some dumb-ass discussion on here in the past!

Yes, I mean who would try to argue that Cleveland is a gay mecca over Columbus?

Glad to hear the "non-straights" here feel that way. I didn't want to say so for fear of being bitch-slapped. Get it! Get it?!?! Bitch-slapped?? Eh....

Yes, I mean who would try to argue that Cleveland is a gay mecca over Columbus?

 

chile boo!  Colombus is tired as hell!  NOW WHAT?!

 

Nobody cares about this in the larger scheme of Gay Life.  Gay's are flocking there nor are they to any part of Ohio.

 

Oh...and if columbus was such a mecca why didn't the put in a bid for the gay games?

Do I have to lock this thread?

The fact that we had the lowest newspaper circulation should be seen as a good thing, which you'd know if you've read the Dispatch.

 

Columbus ranks 16th in "Most Literate Cities"

 

By Larry Bauman

 

[email protected]

 

Columbus residents are smart, but not as smart as Clevelanders and Cincinnatians, at least according to a national survey.

 

The 2010 Central Connecticut State University-produced list of "Most Literate Cities" ranked Columbus No. 16 in the nation.

 

Columbus improved from its 2009 rank of No. 22, an all-time low for the city. Over the list's six years of production, Columbus has ranked as high as No. 12 in 2005.

 

The latest list shows Columbus ranked the third most literate city in Ohio, being bested by Cincinnati (11) and Cleveland (14). Ohio was the only state to boast three cities in the list's top 20.

 

Topping the rankings for 2010 is Washington D.C., followed by Seattle, Minneapolis, Atlanta and Pittsburgh.

 

Published: Thursday, January 20, 2011

 

www.thelantern.com/campus/columbus-ranks-16th-in-most-literate-cities-1.1904944]http://media.www.thelantern.com/campus/columbus-ranks-16th-in-most-literate-cities-1.1904944

Do I have to lock this thread?

 

You should have asked that right after post no. 556!  LMAO! ;D

 

Ok...I'll be good!  I promise.

On Jan 17th I posted a question regarding  Forbes stupid list:

 

 

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2011/0214/real-estate-bankruptcy-taxes-pensions-cities-on-brink.html

 

 

In that list they say Cleveland is one of the cities most on the brink.  Today the mayor, Frank Jackson just proposed the 2011 budget that balanced the budget with no major layoffs or tax increases,

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20110201/FREE/110209982

 

My question changes - what is going on with Forbes vs. Cleveland?  There are very few major cities that are entering 2011 with a balanced budget without major layoffs or tax increases!  How can Cleveland be considered by Forbes as a city on the brink?  What is going on?  if I was the mayor, I would begin thinking about a slander lawsuit.  :shoot:

 

 

 

On Jan 17th I posted a question regarding  Forbes stupid list:

 

 

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2011/0214/real-estate-bankruptcy-taxes-pensions-cities-on-brink.html

 

 

In that list they say Cleveland is one of the cities most on the brink.  Today the mayor, Frank Jackson just proposed the 2011 budget that balanced the budget with no major layoffs or tax increases,

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20110201/FREE/110209982

 

My question changes - what is going on with Forbes vs. Cleveland?  There are very few major cities that are entering 2011 with a balanced budget without major layoffs or tax increases!  How can Cleveland be considered by Forbes as a city on the brink?  What is going on?  if I was the mayor, I would begin thinking about a slander lawsuit.  :shoot:

 

 

 

 

Not snark, but have you written to the editor of Forbes?

^ Yeah, it seems like there should be something Cleveland should be able to do to challenge the perpetual attacks from the media. Cleveland seems to be the butt of as many jokes and "listings" as Detroit. I don't even live in Cleveland and I get tired of it.

 

It affects the perception of the city to many, whether it be consciously or subconsciously. I can't count how many times I've heard people say they've been surprised to see what Cleveland offers and the diversity of the area.

 

A lot of it relates to the stupid rankings.