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Just go to yahoo's home page

 

unfortunately I have another headline on my yahoo

http://news.yahoo.com/best-worst-u-cities-travel-taxes-221304456.html

The head line was "another reason not to visit Cleveland", and when you clicked on it the above story came up.

 

Exactly the one I was talking about. And we are number 7 on the list. Why single us out? Cause its forbes...

It's nice seeing all the Cleveland supporters on the comments,  gotta be a 90/10 ratio of urbanohio/cleveland.com

It's nice seeing all the Cleveland supporters on the comments,  gotta be a 90/10 ratio of urbanohio/cleveland.com

 

It was actually awesome that nearly every comment was a Cleveland defender!  Made me proud.

 

So did they change the headline then?  The one I saw wasnt the negative Cleveland one. 

Has anyone sent a letter to the author of the article and the managing editor.  The comments are nice but it needs to be sent up the chain.

It's nice seeing all the Cleveland supporters on the comments,  gotta be a 90/10 ratio of urbanohio/cleveland.com

 

It was actually awesome that nearly every comment was a Cleveland defender!  Made me proud.

 

So did they change the headline then?  The one I saw wasnt the negative Cleveland one. 

 

over the last couple days it has changed back and forth on my computer. At one point it said something like "a reason travelers avoid Cleveland" . Forbes is to Cleveland  is what Susan Lucci is to Victoria Chase (you gotta watch Hot in Cleveland to get that one)

The headline might have been regional.  Just something to consider.

 

Anyways, seems like we are in decent company!

The headline might have been regional.  Just something to consider.

 

Anyways, seems like we are in decent company!

 

Based on all the comments it doesn't seem like it though

The headline might have been regional.  Just something to consider.

 

 

 

I am on the west coast and seeing it :(

^Is your Yahoo local set to a Cleveland zip code?

The article shows up on my home machine, but on my work machine (which goes out to the internet through another city) it doesn't show up anywhere on the front page.

 

Click the Local header on the news headline list below the image and see what it says for your location at the top of the list.  At home, mine says a location around here and at work it says an out of state location.

^Is your Yahoo local set to a Cleveland zip code?

No. it has not been for a long time and I get local stories out here. The only other possibility is it "knows" I like (and might click on) Cleveland stories, and tossed this one my way.

If I ever meet someone from Forbes you all may hear about it, because I am likely to end up in jail as a result of said meeting.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

If I ever meet someone from Forbes you all may hear about it, because I am likely to end up in jail as a result of said meeting.

We'll take up a collection to get you out. Honestly I am getting more and more detached since I don't live in the Cleve anymore, but obviously the city still has a place in my heart (and hope it always will) b/c this stuff still gets me steamed.

I dont see what the big deal is.  It says Cleveland has a high travel tax, in the top tier of cities.  Is this such a big deal to get bent out of shape about?

 

I think if you can say that the other travel costs, like food and lodging, are low, you are still getting a good urban travel bargain.  Chicago, however, is outrageous when it comes to travel costs.  Not just the taxes. In fact I, personally, am priced out of the Chicago travel market, unless maybe I book a hotel in South Bend or Eglin and take the train in.

 

For Cleveland, I can still stay downtown and not get taken to the cleaners like you do in Chicago.

 

That might be the better response than bitching about Forbes. 

 

Cleveland has a lot of negative issues but this is pretty minor.

 

I dont see what the big deal is. It says Cleveland has a high travel tax, in the top tier of cities.  Is this such a big deal to get bent out of shape about?

 

I think if you can say that the other travel costs, like food and lodging, are low, you are still getting a good urban travel bargain.  Chicago, however, is outrageous when it comes to travel costs.  Not just the taxes. In fact I, personally, am priced out of the Chicago travel market, unless maybe I book a hotel in South Bend or Eglin and take the train in.

 

For Cleveland, I can still stay downtown and not get taken to the cleaners like you do in Chicago.

 

That might be the better response than bitching about Forbes. 

 

Cleveland has a lot of negative issues but this is pretty minor.

 

 

The point that people are trying to make is Cleveland was not the worst on the list but the heading of the article/Advertorial listed Cleveland in a negative light.

 

The wrote an article stating a negative about Cleveland and why its bad/worse, yet there own article indicates that other cities were far "worse" than Cleveland in various categories.  So why list Cleveland - specifically - in the title of the article/advertorial?

 

Forbes does this constantly, they write things with no research, fact checking and/or no proof then edit things after readers/viewers confront them.

 

They seem to have a "beef" with Cleveland for some reason.  The complaint are about the article but about the Cleveland bashing.  Its the principle - write fair and fact based articles and nobody will clock you on BS!

 

Let's see if, by some miracle, Forbes picks up on this one.

 

 

You're funny. Forbes now has to invent another list subject so they can slam Cleveland....

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

I see Cincinnati is also on that list, as is ....Detroit & Pittsburgh.  Pbgh we could expect but you dont hear of Detroit as a tech center.

 

Otherwise, looks like urban Florida is well-represented.  SLC has been a tech growth area for awhile, now, too...

 

America's 14-Most Ready to Riot Cities

 

...inspired by the recent unpleasantness in the UK.

 

Cleveland and Cincinnati are on the list, as are some other usual suspects. 

 

 

^Not even worth the time... they have Cleveland's unemployment rate at 10.7%.  We're currently at 8.3%- up from 7.7% in May but due to more people entering the labor market http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.oh_cleveland_msa.htm

 

 

America's 14-Most Ready to Riot Cities

 

...inspired by the recent unpleasantness in the UK.

 

Cleveland and Cincinnati are on the list, as are some other usual suspects. 

 

 

I dont think our poverty rate is that high.  This isn't accurate.

I'm so sick of cherry picked statistics.

My sister and her family live there and they absolutely love it. Hell of a school system too.

 

Also, I went to this party on Westminister Dr. there on Sunday - holy god is that a nice area.

 

Yes, that would also soundly qualify as being another dumb-a$$ list of rankings.  Even if it were really a "small town," it's the beneficiary of the region's archaic income-tax structure and the state DOE's school ratings system that rewards/punishes school districts based on data that are heavily-influenced by demographics.  Additionally, just about every third or fourth suburb in Greater Cleveland has a Cleveland Clinic branch, and many of the ones that don't have branches of University Hospitals.  And the Solon Philharmonic Orchestra, cited as some sort of a significant cultural offering, is kind of small potatoes compared to some of the things other suburbs offer in the realm of culture.

 

In a nutshell, Solon, with growth and "success" driven by suburban sprawl, is emblematic of everything that's wrong with this region.  But in the United States in 2011, this is supposedly what a majority of people find desirable in a small town, so it's no shock that Solon would rank so highly. ;)

 

For what it's worth, I think it's been a few years since Solon has taken the top ranking in Cleveland Magazine's utter failure of an attempt at ranking Cleveland's suburbs.

Some of the older developments, like Briar Hill are really nice. I'm not as much of a fan of the newer stuff (last 20 years or so). Also, I'm starting to get a sense that there's some over-crowding in the elementary level schools. I have a few friends with K-2 age kids who are grousing about 30+ kids to a class (particularly with one of the elementary schools closing). Nothing un-manageable to be sure, but when mom's not happy, look for her to start seeking greener pastures.

My sister and her family live there and they absolutely love it. Hell of a school system too.

 

Also, I went to this party on Westminister Dr. there on Sunday - holy god is that a nice area.

 

Solon was a great place to grow up.

I like Solon.  More importantly, I tend to like Solon people.  They don't seem as 'scared of their own shadow' as a lot of folks from the outer-ring.  I would consider living there if it wasn't so detached from everything.

Did somebody just say that Westminster Dr. in Solon was nice?!?!?!??!?!?!  Anybody, take a street view there.  Tell me that's not the worst of the worst stereotypical McMansion development.  Am I still on UrbanOhio or what?????

I like Solon.  More importantly, I tend to like Solon people.  They don't seem as 'scared of their own shadow' as a lot of folks from the outer-ring.  I would consider living there if it wasn't so detached from everything.

 

I don't know about that.  In fact, because of rankings like these that come out from time to time featuring Solon, I've noticed an uppity/elitist point-of-view from many Solonites in which many also have a "scared of their own shadow" view of the inner-ring suburbs.

Jamjeff, take a breath. It's a beautiful street with a huge pond, really pretty, expensive homes, many of which have brick and stone foundations that will last for a quite a few years, and it has a ton of families of different ethnic backgrounds, all of whom actually take care of their property. Just because a home is not located in Cleveland or its inner-ring suburbs doesn't mean it's a soulless building. Not all McMansions are crap, just like not all houses in the ghetto have character.

Jamjeff, take a breath. It's a beautiful street with a huge pond, really pretty, expensive homes, many of which have brick and stone foundations that will last for a quite a few years, and it has a ton of families of different ethnic backgrounds, all of whom actually take care of their property. Just because a home is not located in Cleveland or its inner-ring suburbs doesn't mean it's a soulless building. Not all McMansions are crap, just like not all houses in the ghetto have character.

 

I'm sorry.  I street viewed that street, and it was soul-crushing enough just looking at it on the computer.  If you want beauty without density, take a ride through Bratenahl, the Chagrin Valley, or Waite Hill, not a tacky 1980s McMansion development in Solon.  It baffles me that anybody thinks that junk (North Dallas Special) is nice, but especially on Urban Ohio.  http://janiewilsonsstrongfingers.blogspot.com/2007/12/north-dallas-special.html

 

By the way, just because those homes are big doesn't mean they're built well.  Most of the ones I saw on Street View had siding on the sides with a thin facade of brick or stone on the front.  Hardly the types of buildings that will be around in 150 years (I actually have a friend that lives in a house like those, and it's literally falling apart at the seams even though it's only 19 years old).

^ It's kinda funny that it it is even spelled "West-minister" instead of Westminster.  You know when the clueless developer named the street they thought they were being classy by naming it after the London Bourough or Westminster Abbey and got it wrong.  Hehe

 

Solon = Souless IMO

I can't think of a single thing I like about Solon.  Oh wait, I thought of ONE...it's only 4 miles to Chagrin Falls from there.

The only thing that matters, or should matter most, for good parents: school system..

 

and no need to street view, just take a trip out there, or stop by there on your way to Chagrin Falls (it's just off Cannon), and see the properties in person. Neighbors being friendly with each other, kids playing outside, huge property, diverse community, large amounts of property, neighbors hanging out with each other... a hell of a place to raise a family if you can afford it.

 

I mean, what's wrong with that? Not everyone wants to experience urban living, and you shouldn't be so quick to judge them for wanting a suburban and safe environment for their family. It really is a lovely place.

The only thing that matters, or should matter most, for good parents: school system

 

Well outside of Cleveland schools and a few other districts, I don't think it makes much difference.  I did just fine in a "lower rung" school district.  Just because a bunch of parents with smart kids moved to Solon and have kids in school there doesn't mean your child will be smart too.  And if they are smart, they'd likely do well at 95% of public schools.  Also, there are plenty of kids who find trouble in Solon.  But regardless, even if it was the best school district in the state, or regardless of whatever practical reasons there may be to live there, you can't convince me (or many others I know) that there's anything beautiful or interesting about places like Westminister Dr.

 

I have been there plenty.  I used to work in Solon and would go to lunch in Chagrin Falls quite often.  I still stand by the fact that it's a depressingly generic place.  Sure, it has a lot of fairly wealthy people and families.  That's not my issue with it.  What is depressing to me is that people with means are choosing such generic places to live their lives, much in the way it's depressing to me how many people choose Applebee's or a similarly generic restaurant when they go out to eat.  When the further out suburb becomes the next craze, Solon will be passed over like Maple Heights and Bedford are now, and its schools will slide as well.  There's nothing of lasting appeal there.  It's the "flavor of the month" suburb of choice right now, that's it.

J40J pretty nailed it.  The school district point is particularly on target and one that really confuses some people.  There is one caveat with the school districts discussion that I don't have the time or energy to explain right this second, but maybe tomorrow.

 

On a somewhat related note, I am very concerned about the slow but steady ghettoization of the Heights area and other parts of Greater Cleveland with otherwise amazing character.  If more and more people continue to be convinced that places like Solon are truly "desirable," the only livable areas we're going to be left with are going to be suburb after suburb of that type of crap.

Is this URBAN Ohio or what?

The only thing that matters, or should matter most, for good parents: school system..

 

and no need to street view, just take a trip out there, or stop by there on your way to Chagrin Falls (it's just off Cannon), and see the properties in person. Neighbors being friendly with each other, kids playing outside, huge property, diverse community, large amounts of property, neighbors hanging out with each other... a hell of a place to raise a family if you can afford it.

 

I mean, what's wrong with that? Not everyone wants to experience urban living, and you shouldn't be so quick to judge them for wanting a suburban and safe environment for their family. It really is a lovely place.

^^and at one time the inner ring suburbs were the craze - think about how great the Heights and Euclid schools were 40 years ago. Probably among the country's best, certainly Heights High. Would you have been so angry that parents moved their families from Cleveland or are inner ring suburbs somehow more Cleveland than outer?

Communities change and people move. And I think it's silly to vilify people jut because they have the resources to live the life that they want. Being pro urban does not mean anti suburban.

Shaker Heights HS used to be 'one of the best in the country'.  I don't think Cleveland Heights High ever held that distinction. 

^^and at one time the inner ring suburbs were the craze - think about how great the Heights and Euclid schools were 40 years ago. Probably among the country's best, certainly Heights High. Would you have been so angry that parents moved their families from Cleveland or are inner ring suburbs somehow more Cleveland than outer?

Communities change and people move. And I think it's silly to vilify people jut because they have the resources to live the life that they want. Being pro urban does not mean anti suburban.

 

Yes, but the difference is that much of the Heights area was built up at a time when quality and character were important.  And a lot of the remnants of that era have stood the test of time.  These areas were and are unique.  The same cannot be said of Solon and other nearly-identical cookie-cutter suburbs.  There is very little offered in Solon that one cannot find in about two dozen other suburbs in Greater Cleveland.

 

I don't begrudge anyone their right to live where they choose.  However neither should they begrudge me my right to criticize/make fun of their personal decision. ;)

Shaker Heights HS used to be 'one of the best in the country'.  I don't think Cleveland Heights High ever held that distinction. 

 

I've heard anecdotally on a few occasions that Heights was also always highly-regarded on a national level and had a lot of prestige, but I've never been able to verify that and of course there were no "national high school rankings" back then.

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