Jump to content

Featured Replies

Looks like LBJ didn't just take his talents to South Beach..... a good chunk the 'misery' went with him too.

 

I hate to say it but my first thought was also that wherever James goes ends up being crowned most miserable city.

  • Replies 2.4k
  • Views 121.7k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Most Popular Posts

  • The Best Cities To Live In For Fans Of Rock And Roll Museums And The Cleveland Browns https://www.theonion.com/the-best-cities-to-live-in-for-fans-of-rock-and-roll-mu-1844466314

  • YouTuber makes list of 10 best big city downtowns in the USA, both Cincinnati and Cleveland make the list. There's a few glaring omissions that make it hard to take the list seriously (plus a clear Mi

  • I question their methodology:   The Best Cities To Live In For Fans Of Rock And Roll Museums And The Cleveland Browns

Posted Images

Looks like LBJ didn't just take his talents to South Beach..... a good chunk the 'misery' went with him too.

 

I hate to say it but my first thought was also that wherever James goes ends up being crowned most miserable city.

 

I'm much happier with that guy gone. At least our basketball team tries its hardest to be mediocre, not half-arses it and quits in the playoffs.

Ok, but no one cares about him.  He is a thing of the past, so let's leave him there.  Cleveland already gets ragged on enough for talking about him all the time.

But now to really why I came here, I present to you the 2012 edition of the Granddaddy of all dumb-a$$ rankings lists, the Forbes Most Miserable Cities Rankings:

 

1. Miami, FL

2. Detroit, MI

3. Flint, MI

4. West Palm Beach, FL

5. Sacramento, CA

6. Chicago, IL

7. Fort Lauderdale, FL

8. Toledo, OH

9. Rockford, IL

10. Warren, MI

11. Stockton, CA

12. Cleveland, OH

13. Lansing, MI

14. Akron, OH

15. Merced, CA

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2012/02/02/americas-most-miserable-cities/

 

Whhhaaaat? Have you seen the women in Ft. Lauderdale? That alone makes it impossible for it to be one of the worst cities.

Love the reasoning.

 

#12 Cleveland, Ohio

Things have brightened in our 2010 most miserable city as unemployment is below the U.S. average at 7.7% and home prices are off just 4% since 2008. Cleveland still makes the cut thanks to high taxes (income and property) along with lousy weather and sports teams.

 

Very surprised that Miami is number 1.  Granted I have spent most of my time there in South Beach, but it is hard to believe for a place that is usually 85 degrees  and sunny on New Year's day.

Their methodology is ridiculous! These lists inevitably have the same factors: Crime, economic growth/unemployment rate, traffic congestion (typical quality-of-life indicators) .....and current record of local sports teams. I don't even like sports unless I'm playing them myself.

 

 

^"Sorry Akron, if your Aeros would have won just two more games you wouldn't have wound up in the top 15." - Forbes

^"Sorry Akron, if your Aeros would have won just two more games you wouldn't have wound up in the top 15." - Forbes

 

I guess Akron gets no credit for UA's outstanding soccer program (including being the 2010 national champions).

That one guy in the Akron arena thread has made it clear that UA isn't actually a part of Akron, so it doesn't count. ;)

Yes, Forbes does it again. listing Cleveland as America's snowiest major city. Not only is this inaccurate, but the average snowfall they assigned to Cleveland is incorrect....

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20120206/BLOGS03/120209907

 

Here are cities with major-league sports teams that get as much or more snow as Cleveland....

 

Cleveland -- 56.9

Salt Lake City -- 58.5

Denver -- 60.3

Buffalo -- 93.6

 

Data is from the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration which compiles and archives official climate records for the United States.

http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/online/ccd/snowfall.html

 

EDIT:

e-mail Scott at [email protected]

e-mail Forbes Beth Greenfield at [email protected]

 

If they want to hate Cleveland for accurate reasons, fine. But not for invented reasons.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Their definition of "major" city seems to be based on the top 50 largest incorporated places' populations within the city limits only.  This explains why Buffalo and Salt Lake City are excluded.

 

The ridiculous thing about this survey, to me, is that Forbes could simply use the each city's yearly average over recorded history, created one list, and never need to do it again.  In fact this is absolutely how they should do it if they were looking to determine the actual snowiest cities, and not just the snowiest cities in a single year (which would be dumb).

The amount of discussion these provoke justifies them continuing to publish them. Someday, they may even be an actually useful metric of...something.

 

And we're moving off the list this year, because it ain't snowing, and the Cavs are better...right?

The amount of discussion these provoke justifies them continuing to publish them. Someday, they may even be an actually useful metric of...something.

 

And we're moving off the list this year, because it ain't snowing, and the Cavs are better...right?

 

Nah, Forbes will find some other reason to hate us. Perhaps the silver linings on our clouds are too bright....

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

  • 4 weeks later...

^Thanks for sharing this information, unusualfire.  Needless to say I was glad to see that: (1) the article WASN'T just another dumb Forbes ranking; (2) Cincinnati placed well in the large metro category; and (3) several other Ohio cities (especially Dayton) made the list.  One major question, however-- (half in earnest/half in jest)--and that is:  just how do we learn to cozy up to Houston?  That is, forge closer business ties with this North American juggernaut?  (I hate to admit it, but the article about Houston, alone, was worth reading.)

Good for Ohio.  A lot of representation on those lists.  But I hate the illustration they used.  So sprawly.

 

^We put all of these lists under this category, because there is ALWAYS some reason to find them to be (see thread title).  The title is rather tongue in cheek, but probably is fairly accurate given the subject.

^Thanks for sharing this information, unusualfire.  Needless to say I was glad to see that: (1) the article WASN'T just another dumb Forbes ranking; (2) Cincinnati placed well in the large metro category; and (3) several other Ohio cities (especially Dayton) made the list.  One major question, however-- (half in earnest/half in jest)--and that is:  just how do we learn to cozy up to Houston?  That is, forge closer business ties with this North American juggernaut?  (I hate to admit it, but the article about Houston, alone, was worth reading.)

 

The last thing Ohio should strive for is to be more like Texas. 

That whole jobs, population growth, and momentum thing not doing it for you:) I think we have a lot to learn from Texas

With Dayton in the Cincy metro, it'd be #3.

That whole jobs, population growth, and momentum thing ... I think we have a lot to learn from Texas

 

Jeff Moseley, president and CEO of the Greater Houston Partnership, says ...

“We continue to be a very business-friendly community,” Moseley says. “We are very competitive in affordability. That has to do with the fact that we don’t have planning and zoning. We have a very low regulatory climate [/b] and a fabulous work force. Going to work and getting the job done are very important here.”

 

That's a dig at California.  "Low regulatory climate" means dirty air that kills you.

 

How can they prosper without planning and zoning?  The commutes and non-availability of services must have a downside.

Where does CLE fall on the list, or are they only giving the top 10? (I looked at the link, but didn't see it.)

That whole jobs, population growth, and momentum thing not doing it for you:) I think we have a lot to learn from Texas

 

Yeah, when will Ohio learn that the key to population growth is warm weather and a large border with Mexico?

Interesting article as well and Ohio doesn't do bad.

 

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2012/03/where-creative-class-jobs-will-be/1258/

 

Where to Find a Creative Class Job in 2020

 

This week, I've been looking at the projected growth in jobs across American metros. My last post charted the projected growth in service jobs; I also looked at blue-collar gigs.

 

Today, I look at the projected growth in higher-paying, higher-skill jobs that make up the creative class. More than 43 million people are currently employed in creative class work, a third of the workforce, in fields like science, technology, and engineering; business, finance, and management; law; health care; education; and arts, culture, media, and entertainment.

That whole jobs, population growth, and momentum thing not doing it for you:) I think we have a lot to learn from Texas

 

Ohio has as many jobs and as low as or lower unemployment rates.  Population growth was due almost entirely because of either retirees moving south or because there was several decades of general decline in much of the North.  That is no longer the case. 

^ Although what you say is partially true, jbcmh81, the entire picture of Ohio vs. Texas is simply more complex.  As you've already emphasized, we needn't idolize Houston, Dallas, SA, or Austin--but, like detectives or scientists, we in Ohio can dissect them and determine what makes them so successful.

^ Although what you say is partially true, jbcmh81, the entire picture of Ohio vs. Texas is simply more complex.  As you've already emphasized, we needn't idolize Houston, Dallas, SA, or Austin--but, like detectives or scientists, we in Ohio can dissect them and determine what makes them so successful.

 

Another reason for the growth is Hispanic immigrant populations that tend to be younger and have more kids.  Natural increase through birth rates is an important part of domestic increase. 

Somewhat interesting -- according to this article, Cincinnati is 87th nationally and Columbus 94th in percentage of households in the metro region earning $200k or more. 

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/morning_call/2012/03/columbus-isnt-the-states-wealthiest.html?ana=twt

 

No information in the article about the other Ohio cities. 

 

 

 

A lot of those in Cincy would have to be executives at P&G and Kroger, right?  What else accounts for that?

Lawyers, Bankers, Doctors, franchise owners, independent business owners, double-dipping public officials....

 

 

^ you just named a bunch of things every major city in America has.

Somewhat interesting -- according to this article, Cincinnati is 87th nationally and Columbus 94th in percentage of households in the metro region earning $200k or more. 

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/morning_call/2012/03/columbus-isnt-the-states-wealthiest.html?ana=twt

 

No information in the article about the other Ohio cities. 

 

 

 

A lot of those in Cincy would have to be executives at P&G and Kroger, right?  What else accounts for that?

 

Lots of F500 (and F1000) businesses headquartered in the metro region beyond just those two.  P&G, Kroger, Fifth Third, Macy's, Omnicare, American Financial, Western-Southern, Cintas, etc.  As to the rest, not sure. 

^ Well oddly enough some of those metros are way up there and have very few F500 companies. Portland,Ore for example.

I moved the conversations about the Marcellus/Utica shale gas discussions to that thread.....

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,22242

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

^ Well oddly enough some of those metros are way up there and have very few F500 companies. Portland,Ore for example.

 

Cities with reputations for being destinations for successful people are going to have more wealthy individuals per capita.  For example, the Pacific Northwest has the fastest growing Jewish community in the country after almost 200 years of having next to no Jews.  Not saying that all Jews are wealthy, but as an ethnic classification, the average household income of Jewish people is pretty high.  Columbus will rise dramatically in the next 15 years with its high Asian population for similar reasons, but at the moment it doesn't have a national reputation for much of anything outside of OSU.  Portland?  A forward-thinking, liberal, relaxed music town is the rep that city has built up over 20 years.  It's gonna take another 10 or 15 for Columbus to resonate nationally.

  • 2 weeks later...

Cincinnati Ranked Lowest-Cost Business Location Among Large U.S. Cities; Atlanta Close at Second: KPMG Study

 

 

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/prnewswire/press_releases/Maryland/2012/03/22/NY74574

 

Ohio has a low cost of living and for doing business in general.  If the list had included all metros with over 1 million, Columbus and probably other Ohio cities would be up near the top as well.

 

Sorry about their luck, jbcmh81, but none of those smaller cities were mentioned--so let's all just pause and give credit to  the #1 CITY among the 27 largest metros, Cincinnati.  (okay?)

 

 

 

KPMG is actually pretty legit as a source. Probably not as "dumb-a$$" as most lists. Not that there is an objective set of criteria which is best for measuring business friendliness.

 

It's also worth noting: Cleveland is in the top 10 as well.

Great to have 2 Ohio cities in the top 10.  Too bad it appears that, on the whole, good urban planning leads to higher business costs.

or good urban planning leads to so much demand that business costs are higher

Great to have 2 Ohio cities in the top 10.  Too bad it appears that, on the whole, good urban planning leads to higher business costs.

 

Or that good urban planning raises the attractiveness of those cities, thereby raising their value and their cost of doing business. Of note, the study cited "Cleveland benefited from low office lease costs." Uh, yeah, because office vacancies are high. On that score, places that aren't in demand apparently are good places to do business.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Cincinnati Ranked Lowest-Cost Business Location Among Large U.S. Cities; Atlanta Close at Second: KPMG Study

 

 

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/prnewswire/press_releases/Maryland/2012/03/22/NY74574

 

Ohio has a low cost of living and for doing business in general.  If the list had included all metros with over 1 million, Columbus and probably other Ohio cities would be up near the top as well.

 

Sorry about their luck, jbcmh81, but none of those smaller cities were mentioned--so let's all just pause and give credit to  the #1 CITY among the 27 largest metros, Cincinnati.  (okay?)

 

The study only included metros of 2 million and over, so it obviously wouldn't have included several Ohio cities, including Columbus.  My point was not to take anything away from those cities on the list, only a general observation that pretty much all of Ohio would've scored well had smaller metros been part of the study as well.  This was based on the fact that Ohio has a low cost of living and a positive business climate.

Needless to say (if I'm not mistaken), the Enquirer still hasn't picked up on this really delectable PR--but then, again, why would they? (They ARE "The Enquirer.")  I'd contact Laura Baverman there myself, but I just might awaken her from her nap; just another gem of very positive news for Cincinnati that will probably fly under the radar of our local media...

^Maybe she missed this too.

 

 

Bureau of Labor Statistics, US Commerce Department

Job Growth, January 2011-January 2012

50,000+

New York-Newark-Bridgeport +129,800

Houston-Baytown-Huntsville +94,800

Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville +72,700

Dallas-Ft Worth +70,900

San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland +59,400

 

10,000-49,999

Washington-Baltimore-Northern VA +47,700

Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside +41,900

Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City +41,800

Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia +35,100

Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale +32,700

Denver-Aurora-Boulder +31,900

Austin-Round Rock-Marble Falls +26,800

Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach +26,400

Detroit-Warren-Flint +24,100

Salt Lake City-Ogden-Clearfield +23,100

Cincinnati-Middletown-Wilmington +20,300

Minneapolis-St Paul-St Cloud +20,200

Tampa-St Petersburg-Clearwater +19,200

Pittsburgh-New Castle +17,900

Raleigh-Durham-Cary +16,800

Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Columbia +15,900

Columbus-Marion-Chillicothe +14,700

Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro +14,500

Louisville-Elizabethtown-Scottsburg +14,200

Boston-Worcester-Manchester +13,900

Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City +13,300

Charlotte-Gastonia-Salisbury +13,200

Richmond +12,200

Phildelphia-Camden-Vineland +12,100

Memphis +11,500

San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos +11,400

Oklahoma City +11,300

San Antonio-New Braunfels +10,700

Knoxville-Sevierville-La Follette +10,300

Lafayette(LA) +10,300

 

http://bls.gov/news.release/metro.t03.htm

^ yikes. Just noticed Cleveland isn't on that list. Great news for Cincy though.

Who wants to bet the job gains in New York-Newark-Bridgeport were not in Newark?

I just posted jobs numbers on the economic discussion forum for January 2007-2012 if you guys want to take a look.

Create an account or sign in to comment

Recently Browsing 0

  • No registered users viewing this page.