March 28, 201213 yr City? Metro? What's the difference? Surely you can't expect "real estate people" to know these things.
March 28, 201213 yr If you want record-setting sunshine, St. Petersburg is your city—it once soaked up a Guinness-certified 768 straight days of rays. But there's an asterisk: The people of St. Pete also have the darkest clouds hanging over their heads. We put America on the therapist's couch and discovered that not only is St. Petersburg our Saddest City, but Florida in general seems to be a depressing place to live. We calculated suicide rates (CDC) and unemployment rates (Bureau of Labor Statistics...). Then we tapped SimplyMap for the percentage of households that use antidepressants as well as the number of people who report feeling the blues all or most of the time. 100. St. Petersburg, FL 99. Detroit, MI 98. Memphis, TN 97. Tampa, FL 96. Louisville, KY 95. St. Louis, MO 94. Birmingham, AL 93. Miami, FL 92. Reno, NV 91. Las Vegas, NV Most of them are in *that* quadrant of the country. I wonder which database keeps statistics on knifings. rank - state - unemployment rate in percent 28 OHIO 7.7 29 ALABAMA 7.8 33 TENNESSEE 8.2 38 KENTUCKY 8.8 40 MICHIGAN 9.0 45 FLORIDA 9.6 Read more at Men's Health, "politer than Maxim": http://www.menshealth.com/best-life/frown-towns#ixzz1qRThodIp http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
March 28, 201213 yr This one really does qualify for the thread title - http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/nice-homes-you-can-buy-for-250000.html Situated in central Ohio, the capital city Columbus is the largest metropolitan area in the state with a population of 1,836,536 in the city and surrounding suburbs. Hear you loud and clear on this "faux pas." You JUST KNOW how us folks from either The Cleve or The 'Nati feel about a gaffe like this one--'aint no way we 'aint gonna make 'em correct such nonsense!
March 28, 201213 yr ^ yikes. Just noticed Cleveland isn't on that list. Great news for Cincy though. Just because Cleveland isn't on that list doesn't mean it is some cause for alarm. Detroit's on that list, they should be as they have fallen harder than any other city. Trends are showing if you have lost a lot or fallen really hard, you are showing more growth than cities that have been quite stable over the last few years.
March 28, 201213 yr This one really does qualify for the thread title - http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/nice-homes-you-can-buy-for-250000.html Situated in central Ohio, the capital city Columbus is the largest metropolitan area in the state with a population of 1,836,536 in the city and surrounding suburbs. If I told my realtor I wanted to spend $250,000 on a home in this economy and they showed me those options, I'd fire them whether they knew the difference between a city and a metro area or not.
March 28, 201213 yr This one really does qualify for the thread title - http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/nice-homes-you-can-buy-for-250000.html Situated in central Ohio, the capital city Columbus is the largest metropolitan area in the state with a population of 1,836,536 in the city and surrounding suburbs. If I told my realtor I wanted to spend $250,000 on a home in this economy and they showed me those options, I'd fire them whether they knew the difference between a city and a metro area or not. Agreed! I do not see the fascination of garages being the focal point of these homes. I wouldn't pay a buck-and-a-quarter for any of those houses!
March 28, 201213 yr ^^ Only Alec Baldwin calls it "The Cleve" :speech: Thanks for "The Flash," Gordon... :-P
March 29, 201213 yr Ohio's metropolitan areas (other than Cleveland and kind of Dayton) do really well in the Brookings Institute's rankings of metropolitan area recoveries since the Great Recession: http://www.brookings.edu/info/metromonitor/monitor_maps.aspx Very interesting interactive graphic. Also, I'm not sure if this counts as "dumb-a$$" since it's the Brookings Institute, which is a legitimate (and fairly reputable) think-tank. But this seems to be where these ranking things go.
March 29, 201213 yr Ohio's metropolitan areas (other than Cleveland and kind of Dayton) do really well in the Brookings Institute's rankings of metropolitan area recoveries since the Great Recession: http://www.brookings.edu/info/metromonitor/monitor_maps.aspx Very interesting interactive graphic. Also, I'm not sure if this counts as "dumb-a$$" since it's the Brookings Institute, which is a legitimate (and fairly reputable) think-tank. But this seems to be where these ranking things go. Interesting. Apparently we have been somewhat fooled by the Cleveland areas lower unemploymnet rates than most places, since the same area is doing worse than most other places in the ohter ranking overall. I was really hoping things were turning around there.
March 29, 201213 yr The actual list that is included there has Cleveland in the middle 20 metros. If you average out the rankings, Cleveland would be 56th overall. I should get back to work now.
March 29, 201213 yr Ohio's metropolitan areas (other than Cleveland and kind of Dayton) do really well in the Brookings Institute's rankings of metropolitan area recoveries since the Great Recession: http://www.brookings.edu/info/metromonitor/monitor_maps.aspx Very interesting interactive graphic. Also, I'm not sure if this counts as "dumb-a$$" since it's the Brookings Institute, which is a legitimate (and fairly reputable) think-tank. But this seems to be where these ranking things go. Interesting. Apparently we have been somewhat fooled by the Cleveland areas lower unemploymnet rates than most places, since the same area is doing worse than most other places in the ohter ranking overall. I was really hoping things were turning around there. I don't know that that's necessarily the takeaway. CLE still has the 7% unemployment on that list, which puts it ahead of other places. But it does seem that the low unemployment is not because the recovery has been strong in Cleveland; I guess it just didn't fall as far as other places.
March 29, 201213 yr (Or should I say, the low unemployment does not appear to be the result of a robust recovery as compared to other places.)
March 29, 201213 yr I think the takeaway could only have negative implications. Flat job growth and a decrease in the unemployment rate can only mean that we're shrinking in population (regionally) or having more people exit the workforce.
March 29, 201213 yr Ohio's metropolitan areas (other than Cleveland and kind of Dayton) do really well in the Brookings Institute's rankings of metropolitan area recoveries since the Great Recession: http://www.brookings.edu/info/metromonitor/monitor_maps.aspx Very interesting interactive graphic. Also, I'm not sure if this counts as "dumb-a$$" since it's the Brookings Institute, which is a legitimate (and fairly reputable) think-tank. But this seems to be where these ranking things go. Interesting. Apparently we have been somewhat fooled by the Cleveland areas lower unemploymnet rates than most places, since the same area is doing worse than most other places in the ohter ranking overall. I was really hoping things were turning around there. Cleveland's a lost cause city, maybe some day we will all come to terms with this (75% of the metro area already has). Casinos and new convention centers will only get you so far. We have been fooled into believing Cleveland's economy is actually going somewhere. The lies....
March 29, 201213 yr I don't think Cleveland is a lost cause, but I think the city needs to do some soul searching to define what success means. If it means replicating its mid-20th century grandiosity, it is a lost cause.
March 29, 201213 yr Ohio's metropolitan areas (other than Cleveland and kind of Dayton) do really well in the Brookings Institute's rankings of metropolitan area recoveries since the Great Recession: http://www.brookings.edu/info/metromonitor/monitor_maps.aspx Very interesting interactive graphic. Also, I'm not sure if this counts as "dumb-a$$" since it's the Brookings Institute, which is a legitimate (and fairly reputable) think-tank. But this seems to be where these ranking things go. Interesting. Apparently we have been somewhat fooled by the Cleveland areas lower unemploymnet rates than most places, since the same area is doing worse than most other places in the ohter ranking overall. I was really hoping things were turning around there. Cleveland's a lost cause city, maybe some day we will all come to terms with this (75% of the metro area already has). Casinos and new convention centers will only get you so far. We have been fooled into believing Cleveland's economy is actually going somewhere. The lies.... "Fooled"? "We"? Speak for yourself! I'm going to leave it at that, before I say something that I shouldn't.
March 29, 201213 yr Ohio's metropolitan areas (other than Cleveland and kind of Dayton) do really well in the Brookings Institute's rankings of metropolitan area recoveries since the Great Recession: http://www.brookings.edu/info/metromonitor/monitor_maps.aspx Yea, new big ticket attractions will onl Very interesting interactive graphic. Also, I'm not sure if this counts as "dumb-a$$" since it's the Brookings Institute, which is a legitimate (and fairly reputable) think-tank. But this seems to be where these ranking things go. Interesting. Apparently we have been somewhat fooled by the Cleveland areas lower unemploymnet rates than most places, since the same area is doing worse than most other places in the ohter ranking overall. I was really hoping things were turning around there. Cleveland's a lost cause city, maybe some day we will all come to terms with this (75% of the metro are a already has). Casinos and new convention centers will only get you so far. We have been fooled into believing Cleveland's economy is actually going somewhere. The lies.... Yea, new big ticket attractions will only get you so far, that was the problem with the early 90s boom. This boom had more legs with all the apartments , residences retail and private investment to connect the 'dots' so to speak.
March 29, 201213 yr I don't pretend to be a data-geek, but I think what jdm00 says makes some sense. Detroit and Youngstown in the top 20? Who would've predicted that 5 years ago?
March 29, 201213 yr Cleveland is not going to change overnight. I understand the frustration, but this is going to be a long process. It took the region 50+ plus to get into this hole and will probably take that long to get out. It’s encouraging to see all the investment. It shows developers have faith in the region’s potential. Last decade was rough. I think the region bottomed-out economically. I expect to see slow improvement over the next several years.
March 29, 201213 yr Ohio's metropolitan areas (other than Cleveland and kind of Dayton) do really well in the Brookings Institute's rankings of metropolitan area recoveries since the Great Recession: http://www.brookings.edu/info/metromonitor/monitor_maps.aspx Very interesting interactive graphic. Also, I'm not sure if this counts as "dumb-a$$" since it's the Brookings Institute, which is a legitimate (and fairly reputable) think-tank. But this seems to be where these ranking things go. Interesting. Apparently we have been somewhat fooled by the Cleveland areas lower unemploymnet rates than most places, since the same area is doing worse than most other places in the ohter ranking overall. I was really hoping things were turning around there. Cleveland's a lost cause city, maybe some day we will all come to terms with this (75% of the metro area already has). Casinos and new convention centers will only get you so far. We have been fooled into believing Cleveland's economy is actually going somewhere. The lies.... "Fooled"? "We"? Speak for yourself! I'm going to leave it at that, before I say something that I shouldn't. A bit of sarcasm in my post. Figured you being the king of it would understand. No worries, no need to say anything you would regret. On that note, it is worrisome where Cleveland is today. I think I have sat behind the rose colored glass and figured things were really starting to look up for Cleveland. Unemployment rates do not speak the entire picture of Cleveland, and unlike a lot of other cities that are also going through building booms, they are announcing big job prospects. Cleveland hasn't seen major announcements in jobs like other cities have, let alone watch its workforce grow. With a declining workforce, lackluster job growth, and one of the very few cities in the nation with its housing prices below 2000 levels, Cleveland is going to have to do a lot more than build a casino to say its future looks bright.
March 29, 201213 yr I understand what you're saying but there have been some announcements. Amtrust is adding hundreds jobs downtown and the Clinic just had a job fair to fill 600 nursing positions. Bioeternprise is having an online job fair to fill a lot biomedical openings. Also, my Dad works at Mittal and they've added a decent amount of jobs over the last year or so. The casino isn't a silver bullet, but it will add hundreds of decent paying jobs. Let's see how the next year plays out…
March 29, 201213 yr ^exactly. Acting like a casino is the only thing going on here is a bit misguided.
March 30, 201213 yr Ohio's metropolitan areas (other than Cleveland and kind of Dayton) do really well in the Brookings Institute's rankings of metropolitan area recoveries since the Great Recession: http://www.brookings.edu/info/metromonitor/monitor_maps.aspx Very interesting interactive graphic. Also, I'm not sure if this counts as "dumb-a$$" since it's the Brookings Institute, which is a legitimate (and fairly reputable) think-tank. But this seems to be where these ranking things go. Interesting. Apparently we have been somewhat fooled by the Cleveland areas lower unemploymnet rates than most places, since the same area is doing worse than most other places in the ohter ranking overall. I was really hoping things were turning around there. Cleveland's a lost cause city, maybe some day we will all come to terms with this (75% of the metro area already has). Casinos and new convention centers will only get you so far. We have been fooled into believing Cleveland's economy is actually going somewhere. The lies.... "Fooled"? "We"? Speak for yourself! I'm going to leave it at that, before I say something that I shouldn't. A bit of sarcasm in my post. Figured you being the king of it would understand. No worries, no need to say anything you would regret. On that note, it is worrisome where Cleveland is today. I think I have sat behind the rose colored glass and figured things were really starting to look up for Cleveland. Unemployment rates do not speak the entire picture of Cleveland, and unlike a lot of other cities that are also going through building booms, they are announcing big job prospects. Cleveland hasn't seen major announcements in jobs like other cities have, let alone watch its workforce grow. With a declining workforce, lackluster job growth, and one of the very few cities in the nation with its housing prices below 2000 levels, Cleveland is going to have to do a lot more than build a casino to say its future looks bright. Ok and can you tell us just who said this? Seems like you have drank some of the negative Kool Aid or something because nothing you have said makes a lick of sense.
March 30, 201213 yr University Circle has averaged about 1000 new jobs a year since 2005. Way more than just a casino happening here....
March 31, 201213 yr Ohio's metropolitan areas (other than Cleveland and kind of Dayton) do really well in the Brookings Institute's rankings of metropolitan area recoveries since the Great Recession: http://www.brookings.edu/info/metromonitor/monitor_maps.aspx Very interesting interactive graphic. Also, I'm not sure if this counts as "dumb-a$$" since it's the Brookings Institute, which is a legitimate (and fairly reputable) think-tank. But this seems to be where these ranking things go. Interesting. Apparently we have been somewhat fooled by the Cleveland areas lower unemploymnet rates than most places, since the same area is doing worse than most other places in the ohter ranking overall. I was really hoping things were turning around there. This study and data represent progress made in emerging from the recession. Don't forget that the CLE economy didn't suffer as much as some of the others. The level of growth needed to get to pre recession values is less and would give an impression that economy is not doing as well as others.
April 10, 201213 yr Best American Cities for Business http://247wallst.com/2012/04/04/best-american-cities-for-business/2/ 8. Cleveland, Ohio > GDP: $98.02 billion > Unemployment: 8.1% > Median Income: $46,240 1. Cincinnati, Ohio > GDP: $94.73 billion > Unemployment: 8.4% > Median Income: $51,576
April 18, 201213 yr Well, this one isn't Forbes, it appears to be a well thought-out survey. Interesting. I've just started reading it. Discuss? (No Ohio cities on here) Best Choice for Retiring Boomers: Head South -An Analysis of Selected U.S. Cities The Washington Economics Group, Inc. April 16, 2012 Best Choice for Retiring Boomers: Head South - An Analysis of Selected U.S. Cities
April 19, 201213 yr Don't know if this one has been posted, but not liking that Toledo and Dayton are both on the list. Of course, Indy, Atlanta, Houston, and Kansas City all made the list, too. "The 10 Emptiest US Cities - CNBC" http://www.cnbc.com/id/44860467?slide=2
April 19, 201213 yr Don't know if this one has been posted, but not liking that Toledo and Dayton are both on the list. Of course, Indy, Atlanta, Houston, and Kansas City all made the list, too. "The 10 Emptiest US Cities - CNBC" http://www.cnbc.com/id/44860467?slide=2 Atlanta, over built Memphis was on the list, maybe all the retirees, in the article RnR posted, can buy up empty properties? ::)
April 19, 201213 yr ^Seems like being over built on speculation is the key problem there for most of the sun belt cities on the list. I'm surprised Miami wasn't on the list. Dayton, Detroit and Toledo on the list because of population woes I'm thinking.
April 20, 201213 yr Well, this one isn't Forbes, it appears to be a well thought-out survey. Interesting. I've just started reading it. Discuss? (No Ohio cities on here) Best Choice for Retiring Boomers: Head South -An Analysis of Selected U.S. Cities The Washington Economics Group, Inc. April 16, 2012 Best Choice for Retiring Boomers: Head South - An Analysis of Selected U.S. Cities They overlook that Pennsylvania does not tax social security or other retirement pensions. That is a huge omission. Local Taxes The City of Pittsburgh is not an attractive choice for those retirees looking to pay thelowest tax rates available. The State of Pennsylvania has a state income tax rate of 3 percent and a state sales tax of 6 percent. In addition to these taxes, the City of Pittsburgh also assesses its residents a local income tax with a rate of 3 percent and alocal sales tax of 1 percent. The combination of state and local taxes in Pittsburgh is a significant negative factor that should be considered by individuals deciding where to live when they retire. The "Washington" Economics Group is a Florida-based PR firm. All of their public institutional clients are from Florida and 40% of their business clients are from Florida. This reads like promotional material for Florida real estate developers. The report talked around the fact that insurance prices have nailed the Florida real estate market. People who mortgaged based on inflated home prices now have high insurance costs and they are crushed.
April 20, 201213 yr Well, this one isn't Forbes, it appears to be a well thought-out survey. Interesting. I've just started reading it. Discuss? (No Ohio cities on here) Best Choice for Retiring Boomers: Head South -An Analysis of Selected U.S. Cities The Washington Economics Group, Inc. April 16, 2012 Best Choice for Retiring Boomers: Head South - An Analysis of Selected U.S. Cities They overlook that Pennsylvania does not tax social security or other retirement pensions. That is a huge omission. Local Taxes The City of Pittsburgh is not an attractive choice for those retirees looking to pay thelowest tax rates available. The State of Pennsylvania has a state income tax rate of 3 percent and a state sales tax of 6 percent. In addition to these taxes, the City of Pittsburgh also assesses its residents a local income tax with a rate of 3 percent and alocal sales tax of 1 percent. The combination of state and local taxes in Pittsburgh is a significant negative factor that should be considered by individuals deciding where to live when they retire. The "Washington" Economics Group is a Florida-based PR firm. All of their public institutional clients are from Florida and 40% of their business clients are from Florida. This reads like promotional material for Florida real estate developers. The report talked around the fact that insurance prices have nailed the Florida real estate market. People who mortgaged based on inflated home prices now have high insurance costs and they are crushed. That exactly what an advertorial is!
April 20, 201213 yr http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/most-liked-cities-seattle-portland-tops-detroit-dead-202327156.html were not so bad! :-P
April 20, 201213 yr http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/most-liked-cities-seattle-portland-tops-detroit-dead-202327156.html were not so bad! :-P Take that, LeBron!! ;) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 21, 201213 yr http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/most-liked-cities-seattle-portland-tops-detroit-dead-202327156.html were not so bad! :P Take that, LeBron!! ;)
April 25, 201213 yr Cincinnati comes in 8th for Most Polluted City, gets awesome fisheye panorama for a prize: http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2012/real_estate/1204/gallery.polluted-cities/8.html If the proportions for Great American Tower appeared as they do there IRL, I would like the building much more!
April 25, 201213 yr Cincy was also ranked 9th best city to raise a family by Forbes recently too, I saw. I would find the link, but that would just result in more clicks and money going to Forbes, so I'd rather not...
April 26, 201213 yr Author Cleveland ranks No. 14 for top transit systems in the country, survey finds CLEVELAND - Cleveland’s public transportation falls in line with some of the country’s top transit systems, making it fairly easy to ditch your car, a survey found. A survey conducted by Walk Score , a website that scores homes and neighborhoods for walkability and life without a person vehicle, found that Cleveland ranked No. 14 – one step below Denver and several steps above other major cities like Dallas (16), Austin (21), Las Vegas (23), and Columbus (24). Read more: http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/cleveland-ranks-no-14-for-top-transit-systems-in-the-country-survey-finds#ixzz1tAY7svw6
April 27, 201213 yr Cbus gets second-to-last...behind Vegas...wow. The way the list is compiled, "14th best in the country" = "12th worst in the country". At least that article is spun in the positive direction, rather than the usual. They should have just said "ranked 14th among 25 major cities" or something. To compute our rankings, we calculated the Transit Score of over 1 million locations in the largest 25 cities that provide open public transit data (hey Atlanta and Phoenix you’re among the largest cities that don’t provide open public transit data!). http://blog.walkscore.com/2012/04/new-ranking-of-transit-systems/
April 27, 201213 yr ^Well couldn't you look at any listing like this like that? For example if you were looking at a listing about population where more population was best and less population was worse: Ohio is the Seventh best in the nation, is the same as 43rd worst? Just saying.
April 27, 201213 yr No, because "best of ____" lists have the places on them selected because they are the best at what the list is about. This list is selected because of city population, not quality of transit. Big difference. It's not a "best of" list.
April 27, 201213 yr ^ ya, The title implies 14th best OUT IF ALL OF THE US!!!! When really its just 14th out of the 25 they rated, and 14th best out of 25 is actually 12th worst out of that list. It's actually a bullshit way to do a ranking. It's not the 25 largest cities, or 25 largest metros, and it's not a best of list. It's the ranking of 25 cities whose data they were able to easily get. The actual ranking says "This ranking includes the largest 25 US cities that provide open public transit data" That is how they were chosen- but many reports are saying 25 best public transit systems.
April 27, 201213 yr Citygoround.org lists SORTA as the 6th largest transit agency to not post it's data publicly.
May 7, 201213 yr World's top ugly buildings worth a visit http://www.chicagotribune.com/travel/ct-worlds-top-ugly-buildings-to-visit-pg,0,7102525.photogallery Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum; Cleveland, Ohio ( Dennis Macdonald / May 4, 2012 ) Even the architect was unhappy with this one. Upon the building's completion, a displeased I.M. Pei admitted himself there's little harmony in these conflicting shapes.
May 7, 201213 yr I always wondered how they were supposed to shove a museum into that that thing. It's been there since 1995 and I still have yet to do more than enter the lobby for a small concert and use the bathroom. SMH.
May 14, 201213 yr Apparently Forbes picked Dayton as its most affordable city....Cincinnati (15) Cleveland (16) and Akron (22) are also on the list. Most Affordable Cities
May 16, 201213 yr Intellectual Cincinnait? According to two lists....both "well read", and "literate". The only Ohio city to make these lists Americans Most Literate Cities Cincy is @ 7 Americas Most Well-Read Cities Cincy @ 17.
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