Here are a few sappy articles, highlighting Cleveland neighborhoods.

 

10Best: Up-and-coming neighborhoods around the USA

 

10 best city art districts around the USA

 

About Ohio.

2014’s Best and Worst States for Summer Road Trips

 

10 Most Generous Cities

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/28/most-generous-city_n_5537781.html

America's 30 Dirtiest Beaches by State

 

http://www.weather.com/health/americas-dirtiest-beaches-state-20140625

 

Ohio: Ohio is the dirtiest of them all. 47 Ohio beaches (75 percent of the state's total) recorded unsafe samples more than 20 percent of the time. Lakeview Beach in Lorain County was the worst. (Wikimedia Commons/Robert Chriss)

 

No surprises here. The state is way behind the curve on agricultural practices (buffer strips, timed fertilizer around storms, etc.) which is currently fueling pollution more than the big city sewer overflows in Toledo and Cleveland. Ohio is by far the worst on the Great Lakes for open water dredge dumping (Maumee Bay is a disaster and has been turned into a toxic mud puddle). Ohio also destroyed more wetlands and barrier beaches than pretty much any other state. Those extensive wetlands on Lake Erie worked as nature's water filters, and the barrier beaches protected them. Ohio is lucky to have a powerful Rep in Washington like Kaptur who has been pushing for restoration along the Lake Erie coast (and got some big wins in Port Clinton from what I've read), but things are moving very slowly in Ohio. I don't think Columbus understands the gravity of the situation and the full financial implications of lost tourism revenue. There is plenty of evidence along Route 2 that summer tourism is suffering. The shallow water of Lake Erie means Ohio has to be every bit as vigilant as other coastal states. Unfortunately, that is far from the reality. Those massive dredge spoils are fueling eutrophication and toxic algae. Lake Erie is in crisis, no sugar-coating it. It's time for serious state and national legislation and a funded effort to restore its glory. I would go as far as saying we need another Clean Water Act. Chesapeake Bay also has a lot of similar issues with Lake Erie, so Reps from more than just Ohio need to push the House to do something.

 

Until the dredge dumping problem and agricultural problems are fixed, the toxic algae/bacteria problem on Lake Erie is going to remain a nightmare or get worse. These problems can be fixed, but it's going to take real political willpower and money. A cleaned up and restored Lake Erie could pay for itself with increased tourism revenues.

...from today's Enquirer:  "Cincinnati among best cities for 'staycations'"

 

http://wallethub.com/edu/best-cities-for-stayvations/4341

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100dangerous/

 

Holy Sh!t!!!  Of the top 100 cities in the country, Cincinnati's the 3rd safest and Dayton's the 2nd!?!  Front page news!

 

Did the mayors pay for that?

^ A totally ridiculous survey; most of the Cincinnati suburbs named here don't even exist!

Its not saying they are the 2nd and 3rd safest cities, nor is the list of the 100 largest/top cities. Its saying they are the 98th and 99th most dangerous out of all cities with 25k+ people. Two very different things.

If you click the city's link you will see, just like Cleveland the crime index is 2 with the safest being 100, which means Cincinnati isn't the 3rd safest it is safer than 2% of all cities.

Cincinnati is the #1 city in the country for recreation.

 

Cleveland is 18; Columbus 55; Toledo 79.

 

https://wallethub.com/edu/best-worst-cities-for-recreation/5144/

Wallet hub?  Where do you all find these websites?

Wallet hub?  Where do you all find these websites?

they are advertorials.  this one being a front for a web finance company.

Found it from here:

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2014/07/jersey_city_one_of_worst_cities_for_recreation_newark_dead_last_report.html

Strongly agree Toledo is the nation's best. It's amazing a mid-sized Rust Belt city has one of the best art museums in the country (and world) and also one of the best zoos. I don't know how Toledo supports all of that...

 

Best U.S. zoos: Readers' Choice award winners

 

1. Toledo Zoo - Toledo, Ohio

2. St. Louis Zoo - St. Louis

3. Cincinnati Zoo - Cincinnati

4. Memphis Zoo - Memphis

5. Columbus Zoo - Columbus, Ohio

6. Henry Doorly Zoo - Omaha

7. Houston Zoo - Houston

8. Brookfield Zoo - Chicago

9. Dallas Zoo - Dallas

10. San Diego Zoo & Safari Park - San Diego

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/destinations/2014/05/21/10best-readers-choice-best-us-zoo-winners-announced/9331483/

Surprised to see Toledo at #1 and San Diego at #10.

 

I've never been to the Toledo Zoo, though.

 

Ohio is pretty well represented on this list. More than any other state and holding places 1, 3, and 5.

Wow.  Ohio comes up strong with 3 in the top 10. 

 

It's amazing a mid-sized Rust Belt city has one of the best art museums in the country (and world) and one of the best zoos.

 

I was unaware of this.  Very cool.

Wow.  Ohio comes up strong with 3 in the top 10 5. 

 

Don't sell it short. ;)

I think these three zoos have been getting high ratings for years.  Good for Ohio...now what can the Cleveland Zoo to do get on their level?

 

Also I had no idea that Toledo has an acclaimed art museum.

^it was #11 on trip advisor iirc.

 

Taking a quick look around, this ranking for the Toledo zoo seems a bit out of the norm.  And Columbus is actually ranked highest on more than one list, above the much more well-known (i would think) San Diego zoo.  I guess I am not that 'well-traveled' when it comes to zoos, with Cleveland's probably being the best by far I can remember visiting, which isn't saying much since I have been to so few.  I should definitely make a point to take the kids down to C-Bus to see it

Reading the article it's also worth noting that the Cleveland Zoo was mentioned as one of 10 other zoo's that received votes but just didn't make it into the top ten, so essentially Ohio has 4 zoos in the top 20. :-)

^^ I agree that Columbus's zoo tends to rank really high in pretty much all the lists I've seen. I didn't know Toledo's was supposed to be so good. Cincinnati's is pretty good, and has made some lists I've seen, but its main distinction is being very historic (second zoo in the country, I think?).

 

Jack Hanna, WOOOOOO!!!! (Famous dude from Cbus Zoo, in case anyone's been living under a rock.)

Cincinnati's is pretty good, and has made some lists I've seen, but its main distinction is being very historic (second zoo in the country, I think?).

 

Actually, I think Cincinnati's main distinction is its prowess with animal breeding (#2 behind San Diego in this regard, I believe).  That's a big deal when you're talking about endangered/threatened species.

^it was #11 on trip advisor iirc.

 

Taking a quick look around, this ranking for the Toledo zoo seems a bit out of the norm.  And Columbus is actually ranked highest on more than one list, above the much more well-known (i would think) San Diego zoo.  I guess I am not that 'well-traveled' when it comes to zoos, with Cleveland's probably being the best by far I can remember visiting, which isn't saying much since I have been to so few.  I should definitely make a point to take the kids down to C-Bus to see it

 

Toledo, Cincinnati, and Columbus are all must-see zoos. Just keep in mind Columbus is a rural zoo whereas Toledo and Cincinnati are urban zoos. Part of the appeal in Toledo and Cincinnati are their locations in older urban neighborhoods and proximity to other attractions (both zoos are only about four miles from the downtowns). They are tight footprint zoos easier to walk around in, but still offer a huge breadth of species. Columbus is more spread out and similar to other large footprint suburban and rural zoos. They're different animals. Toledo and Cincinnati are mostly built-out while Columbus has a lot of room to expand. I'd say Toledo and Cincinnati are the two best urban zoos, and Columbus is the best rural/exurban zoo.

 

*I still haven't been to San Diego or Omaha, so can't comment, though they are always on this list with Toledo, Cincinnati, and Columbus. I've heard nothing but good things about San Diego and it seems like a nice location in the central city. Omaha...eh, I'm not the biggest fan of Nebraska...but its rep is huge.

 

**And TMA obliterates most museums its size and larger. It's loaded with high-value masterworks and Egyptian artifacts from Edward Libbey who never had kids and put all his glass fortune into the art museum. I've heard that the value of art at the Toledo Museum of Art is among the highest in the world since Libbey was obsessed with collecting the best stuff. And a lot of great works in the collection aren't even on regular display due to space. Even the vault at Toledo Museum of Art blows away the permanent display at most big city art museums! It's true you don't know a good thing until it's gone. Nothing in Northern California can hold a candle. The museums are weak and the zoos are subpar too (not to mention the library systems, which Toledo, Cincinnati, Cleveland, and Columbus also did well). Toledo has always competed on a global stage with its art museum and zoo. It is extremely rare to find those institutions in a city that size, let alone one that economically depressed and ghetto.

 

The institutions left over from Ohio's glory days really do tell the story of a much different era of excess...the right kind of excess. They were built at a time when Ohio was really "crushing it", economically speaking.

The Columbus Zoo hasn't been rural in the past 25 years.  "Suburban" zoo is more accurate.

^it was #11 on trip advisor iirc.

 

Taking a quick look around, this ranking for the Toledo zoo seems a bit out of the norm.  And Columbus is actually ranked highest on more than one list, above the much more well-known (i would think) San Diego zoo.  I guess I am not that 'well-traveled' when it comes to zoos, with Cleveland's probably being the best by far I can remember visiting, which isn't saying much since I have been to so few.  I should definitely make a point to take the kids down to C-Bus to see it

 

I don't know, I remember visiting a friend from college in Toledo and jokingly suggesting that we go to the zoo because I had seen an article or list or something suggesting it was one of the best. This was as far back as the early 2000s.

 

I haven't been to a lot of zoos, but something about ours seems kind of...underwhelming.

Every state in the USA, ranked by its beer

http://www.thrillist.com/drink/nation/every-state-in-the-usa-ranked-by-its-beer

 

12. Ohio

Great Lakes. That’s all you need to know. Except not really, since you should also be very, very aware of IBU boundary-defiers Hoppin’ Frog, the newly dominating Rust Belt, Cinci’s Christian Moerlein, rapidly expanding Fat Head's (they’re not just life-size wall stickers of NFL players and the Jonas Brothers anymore!), and barrel-aging fiends Thirsty Dog. Yes, much of Cleveland’s economy is based on LeBron James. But thanks to joints like Nano Brew and open fermentation hideaway Indigo Imp, it's only a matter of time before beer catches up.

 

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The list doesn't seem too bad actually.

That's nice but this "Cleveland's economy depends on LeBron James" bullsh*t drives me up the wall.

^Haha, I think that's because of the famous Cleveland Tourism Video on Youtube.

 

Overall, I felt Ohio was shafted. I certainly support Michigan's #4 ranking (Bell's, New Holland, Atwater, etc. are awesome), but Ohio is not that far off. I would have ranked Michigan first, and Ohio second or third. I think Great Lakes and Maumee Bay are better than any breweries I've had in California and Oregon. Great Lakes Edmund Fitzgerald and Maumee Bay Breakfast Stout are two of the best dark beers I've ever had. I don't think they have any equals on the West Coast. California and Oregon certainly have more total breweries, but most are nothing to write home about. Quality and consistency needs to be taken into account here. The generally lower quality of West Coast beer is one of the reasons I've switched to liquor (plus SF is excellent for cocktails). Michigan and Ohio delivered the quality beer reliably.

 

Bell's and Great Lakes are the real deal and better than any West Coast breweries when it comes to dark beers. Come to think of it, Bell's has a better IPA and summer ale too! Take that, you hop heads in California and Oregon! Michigan got a fair ranking, but Ohio deserved to be up there too, at least top 10. Quality > Quantity.

 

When it comes to beer, don't mess with the Midwest!

 

*Also, I overall agree with Pennsylvania's ranking, but Iron City and Yuengling are pretty terrible (and Yuengling deserves more criticism due to its price). I'd actually drink something cheap like Rolling Rock before Yuengling. That was a very questionable write-up on Pennsylvania...

 

At least Ohio doesn't have notoriously bad beers like that (and thank God nothing as atrocious as Steel Reserve). Ohio at least deserved to beat Pennsylvania. What hellacious beers has Ohio unleashed on America? Even crap beer like Cincinnati's Little Kings is damn good considering the price (it competes well with Rochester's Genesee Cream Ale). The only beers I really loved from Pennsylvania were made by Erie Brewing Company in Erie. There must be something about Lake Erie breweries (toxic algae?). Great Lakes, Maumee Bay, and Erie Brewing are three of my favorite breweries in the United States. Just up north of the lake, Detroit also has a lot of great beers and is a real leader in the Midwest.

 

That ring of cities around Lake Erie produces some of the best beer I've had in North America. If you like 50 million varieties of IPA's, then the West Coast is the best coast. If you like heartier and darker beers, the Great Lakes coast is better.

 

**Little Kings and Genesee Cream Ale deserve credit for being the two best ghetto beers in the country. Ohio and New York deserve bonus points there. Those are two of the only states where you can get serviceable beer at those prices. Take that PBR, Olympia, Lone Star, and Schlitz!

 

***Also, Ohio deserves credit for its Brew Week in Athens. Not only is it located in one of the drunkest cities in the country, but prices are very low compared to other states. Athens does a really good job with that festival (it doesn't get out-of-hand like the big shitshow block parties in Fall and Spring). I was in Athens for the first couple of those Ohio Brew Weeks, and it was very cool and affordable. The Jackie O's Brewery in Athens is pretty damn solid for a city that size. Not many college towns have beer like that for those low pitcher prices. What I'd pay for a single inferior quality pint in San Francisco could buy me a whole pitcher of great beer in Athens. Ohio Brew Week gives some of the best bang-for-buck for that kind of event. Some of the Brew "Weeks" in California are $50+ for only a few hours. Not cool...

 

These are the World's Creepiest Statues

 

 

http://www.weather.com/video/these-are-the-worlds-creepiest-statues-52865?

 

 

Haserot!

Overall, I felt Ohio was shafted. I certainly support Michigan's #4 ranking (Bell's, New Holland, Atwater, etc. are awesome), but Ohio is not that far off.

 

I agree with that, but you totally glossed over Cincinnati's great breweries (Rhinegeist, Mad Tree, Blank Slate) and several of its good ones (Moerlein, Mt Carmel, Rivertown, 50 West, etc.) while mentioning only Little Kings!  Also, Twisted Wing in Dayton is brewing up some impressive beer of its own.

The best Russian Imperial Stout I've ever had was in Zanesville, Ohio by a brewery called "Weasel Boy Brewing Company".

The Forbes 19 Opportunity List was dominated by Rust Belt cities.

 

19 Opportunity Cities: Places It May Be Easier To Make Your Mark

 

1. Columbus

2. Rochester

3. Pittsburgh

4. Toledo

5. Buffalo

 

Grand Rapids, Akron, Detroit, and Cincinnati also made the list. Median home sale prices in most of these cities is under 100k (well under 100k in Rochester, Toledo, Buffalo, Akron, and Detroit). I think cheap home prices were a major factor. You can live very cheaply in these cities.

 

Full list:

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/emeg45lkkf/1-columbus-ohio/

 

*This is strictly based on city limits, so it's not about metro areas or suburbs. I like that it shows you the numbers just in the urban core cities.

These lists all seem so random. Toledo and Buffalo--and even Akron--made it onto this list, but somehow Cleveland didn't?? :wtf:

^What are you talking about? That's certainly not a list Cleveland should want to be on!

The Forbes 19 Opportunity List was dominated by Rust Belt cities.

 

19 Opportunity Cities: Places It May Be Easier To Make Your Mark

 

1. Columbus

2. Rochester

3. Pittsburgh

4. Toledo

5. Buffalo

 

Grand Rapids, Akron, Detroit, and Cincinnati also made the list. Median home sale prices in most of these cities is under 100k (well under 100k in Rochester, Toledo, Buffalo, Akron, and Detroit). I think cheap home prices were a major factor. You can live very cheaply in these cities.

 

Full list:

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/emeg45lkkf/1-columbus-ohio/

 

*This is strictly based on city limits, so it's not about metro areas or suburbs. I like that it shows you the numbers just in the urban core cities.

 

It's an advertorial paid for by real estate.  This isn't something written by Forbes.

^A bad advetorial at best. To me, its a list of cities to stay away from. It says, here's a bunch of towns full of simpletons where any schmo can make his mark. Bigger, more sophisticated cities like CLE and NY shouldn't be anywhere on that list.

^A bad advetorial at best. To me, its a list of cities to stay away from. It says, here's a bunch of towns full of simpletons where any schmo can make his mark. Bigger, more sophisticated cities like CLE and NY shouldn't be anywhere on that list.

 

I'm not sure I'm getting your point.  What is negative about more people being able to be successful?  And how does that make a city less sophisticated, exactly? 

Before this gets out of hand, I just want to direct everyone's attention to the the title of this thread.  Hopefully we can remember that this topic was created with the understanding, from the outset, that these lists/advertorials/booster-pages are dumb and mean nothing.  And that cuts both ways - whether your city makes the list or not.

Before this gets out of hand, I just want to direct everyone's attention to the the title of this thread.  Hopefully we can remember that this topic was created with the understanding, from the outset, that these lists/advertorials/booster-pages are dumb and mean nothing.  And that cuts both ways - whether your city makes the list or not.

 

But it sure creates discussion, and that's what lists do.

^A bad advetorial at best. To me, its a list of cities to stay away from. It says, here's a bunch of towns full of simpletons where any schmo can make his mark. Bigger, more sophisticated cities like CLE and NY shouldn't be anywhere on that list.

 

:roll:  :roll:  :roll:

It seems one good way to stay off that list would be to have a powerful, exclusive "old boys network" making sure no one outside the inner-circle can possess any agency or aspire to any position of influence.

 

Whether the list is desirable to be on or not, it's clear there are ways of escaping the list that are undesirable.

^ Hm, that's an interesting observation.  I think both Cincinnati and Columbus have a pretty entrenched 'old boys network' though. 

http://time.com/money/3312364/casper-wy-best-places-to-live/

 

Columbus comes in at #6.

http://time.com/money/3312364/casper-wy-best-places-to-live/

 

Columbus comes in at #6.

 

What? On that list #6 is Columbia, Maryland.  :wtf:

http://time.com/money/3312364/casper-wy-best-places-to-live/

 

Columbus comes in at #6.

 

What? On that list #6 is Columbia, Maryland.  :wtf:

 

It shows being #6 as a bargain but not #6 as the best place to live. So it's yes and no. lol

#CLE makes @CNNMoney list of "Most Innovative Cities." Gets props for @Cleveland2019, food policies, HealthLine: http://t.co/WvnG23AkFD

^Good company on that list

We're really cleaning up on the dumb-a$$ list/Ranking of city things lately!

#CLE makes @CNNMoney list of "Most Innovative Cities." Gets props for @Cleveland2019, food policies, HealthLine: http://t.co/WvnG23AkFD

 

Additional commentary on the above dumb-a$$ listing/ranking.

 

Cleveland gets noticed as an innovative city

Blog Entry: October 07, 2014 10:40 AM    |    Author: SCOTT SUTTELL

 

Cleveland is in some elite company in this CNNMoney.com list of 10 cities that are “leading the pack when it comes to creatively solving urban issues.”

 

In addition to Cleveland, the cities that made the cut with innovating approaches to technology, infrastructure, job creation and sustainability are New York, Boston, Portland, Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis-St. Paul, San Francisco, Philadelphia and Washington, D.C.

 

Cleveland “gets props for its Sustainable Cleveland program — a city-wide effort to promote energy efficiency, renewable energy, clean air and green space,” CNNMoney.com says.

 

“Its food policies are particularly noteworthy, including the adoption of a mobile farmer's market and extra food stamp benefits for those who shop at green markets,” according to the website. “The city also launched one of the nation's first rapid bus transit programs. An idea borrowed from the developing world, buses get their own lane and can theoretically transport people nearly as fast as a subway for a fraction of the cost.”

 

READ MORE AT:

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20141007/BLOGS03/141009856/cleveland-gets-noticed-as-an-innovative-city

North Ridgeville, Ohio (between Elyria-Cleveland) tied as 5th-most car-dependent neighborhood in USA http://www.cityclock.org/top-10-car-dependent-neighborhoods-america/#.VDhDoJvD-MZ … @CtyClckMgzn

Honestly this list is kind of silly, because there are thousands of neighborhoods in America that aren't substantially different than these ten.