August 15, 20159 yr I'm sorry guys, I've been gone a really long time and I don't know if this particular list was ever posted or if a link was provided to this website so please forgive me if its redundant. I always knew Whitehall (and a lot of Columbus suburbs for that matter) are some of the most crime ridden parts of the metro area but am I the only one who never would have guessed Whitehall would be number one?! Also, how pathetic is it that their stock photo for Whitehall is a Kroger?! Sad that they couldn't find anything more quintessentially 'Whitehall'. Hehe. I do think that some non-violent crimes (traffic crimes for example) are intrinsic with any populated area. I don't know anything about their methodology but I wonder if their list would still be very similar with just violent crime. What say you guys? http://www.onlyinyourstate.com/ohio/most-dangerous-places-in-oh/
August 15, 20159 yr ...I always knew Whitehall (and a lot of Columbus suburbs for that matter) are some of the most crime ridden parts of the metro area but am I the only one who never would have guessed Whitehall would be number one?! Also, how pathetic is it that their stock photo for Whitehall is a Kroger?! Sad that they couldn't find anything more quintessentially 'Whitehall'... http://www.onlyinyourstate.com/ohio/most-dangerous-places-in-oh/ Fully agree with you about that ill-chosen photo of a Kroger store to represent one of Ohio's most dangerous places. No connection whatsoever.
August 15, 20159 yr I feel a bit guilty about it given the subject matter, but I laughed out loud at the Kroger pic. There really is nothing much to Whitehall except for strip malls along Broad and Main. So really, the Kroger is quintessential Whitehall. Defense Supply Center Columbus is actually in Whitehall, and probably is the most unique thing about Whitehall, but in light of the heavily armed military police, I don't think that's really the dangerous section of the city. :wink:
August 16, 20159 yr Funny how they always have to qualify Columbus with Ohio right after it. Hmmmmmmm
August 16, 20159 yr ^ That's per the AP Stylebook, and not a direct slight on Cbus. Actually a pretty interesting reference if you even pick one up. But yea, things like appending the state name after a city, or how to refer to a public official, or any number of formalities, are not arbitrary decisions by the author/journalist, but should be guided by the stylebook. At least in any reputable publication.
August 16, 20159 yr Funny how they always have to qualify Columbus with Ohio right after it. Hmmmmmmm They do it to differentiate between Columbus, OH and Columbus, GA
August 16, 20159 yr Funny how they always have to qualify Columbus with Ohio right after it. Hmmmmmmm They do it to differentiate between Columbus, OH and Columbus, GA Oh i had no idea. I wonder why they don't do that with Cleveland and Cleveland, TN?
August 16, 20159 yr They do it to differentiate between Columbus, OH and Columbus, GA Oh i had no idea. I wonder why they don't do that with Cleveland and Cleveland, TN? Columbus, GA has a population of 202,824 (making it the 2nd largest city in Georgia) and is also the location of Fort Benning, a well-known U.S. Army base. Cleveland, TN has a population of 41,285 (making it the 14th largest city in Tennessee) and doesn't have any locations of national interest within it.
August 16, 20159 yr There's a Cincinnati, Iowa (population 347) but I'd never heard of it until Weather.com kept insisting I get their weather updates...
August 17, 20159 yr There's a Cincinnati, Iowa (population 347) but I'd never heard of it until Weather.com kept insisting I get their weather updates... I only know this from a taestell[/member] tweet but Cincinnati IA has a Vine St., Race St., Liberty St., and Walnut St. www.cincinnatiideas.com
August 17, 20159 yr ^There are five different Clevelands in Wisconsin. Always confused me as to how that would even happen.
August 17, 20159 yr ^There are five different Clevelands in Wisconsin. Always confused me as to how that would even happen. There is one village named Cleveland and four "towns" - in Wisconsin, the "town" is akin to a township in Ohio. (For real confusion, there are 43 Washington Townships in Ohio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Township,_Ohio )
August 17, 20159 yr Oh i had no idea. I wonder why they don't do that with Cleveland and Cleveland, TN? NEOMG always uses "Cleveland, Ohio" as the placeline for their content on cle.com, for whatever that's worth
August 17, 20159 yr Which is strange as, per the AP, Cleveland (Ohio) should stand on its own (same for Cincinnati, FWIW), which is what you see on the dateline in the NY Times, Washington Post, etc. Then again, no surprise considering the source!
August 17, 20159 yr ^There are five different Clevelands in Wisconsin. Always confused me as to how that would even happen. There is one village named Cleveland and four "towns" - in Wisconsin, the "town" is akin to a township in Ohio. (For real confusion, there are 43 Washington Townships in Ohio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Township,_Ohio ) Well that's just silly and confusing as hell. People need more original names.
August 17, 20159 yr ^There are five different Clevelands in Wisconsin. Always confused me as to how that would even happen. There is one village named Cleveland and four "towns" - in Wisconsin, the "town" is akin to a township in Ohio. (For real confusion, there are 43 Washington Townships in Ohio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Township,_Ohio ) Well that's just silly and confusing as hell. People need more original names. That does sound really nice. We tend to name jurisdictions after the land owner or someone notable, or we name the jurisdiction by paying homage to the landscape in some way, "bluffs, ridge, heights, lake, maple, oak, field, etc" or some fusion of the two. It can be creative (like Cincinnati, probably my favorite city name) but it's usually is just formulaic and lazy . I think it's most lame when a newer town's founder (or more recently, 'developer' decides to name the place after an existing place that is already very well-established and they do so because they say "it reminds me of..." Columbus and Cleveland are both very generic names, along with most names in Ohio but hey, at least we in Ohio can claim to be "THE Columbus" or "The Cleveland" and there's no disputing it simply because of of population alone but also history and the economic impact we have on...well, the world! I was recently up in Northeastern Michigan as my girlfriend's family has a lakefront cottage up in Leland. I really enjoyed all of the town names up there. A lot of French and Native American influence. It makes it much more interesting when you have names from other languages. "Saginaw" "Detroit" "Leelanau" "Mackinac" "Cadillac" hell, even Lansing, while ugly, at least sounds distinct and when Michigan did resort to naming jurisdictions after land formations, they made it sound enticing! I don't even really like the outdoors that much but "Grand Rapids" just sounds like a blast! Makes me think everyone there is white water rafting and diving into a plunge-pool surrounded by waterfalls all day long. Maybe Ohio needs to step their game up with re-branding. Heh.
August 17, 20159 yr I don't even really like the outdoors that much but "Grand Rapids" just sounds like a blast! Makes me think everyone there is white water rafting and diving into a plunge-pool surrounded by waterfalls all day long. In reality, they are eating at former Hot-N-Now-turned-friend-chicken-joints. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
August 17, 20159 yr ^There are five different Clevelands in Wisconsin. Always confused me as to how that would even happen. There is one village named Cleveland and four "towns" - in Wisconsin, the "town" is akin to a township in Ohio. (For real confusion, there are 43 Washington Townships in Ohio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Township,_Ohio ) Well that's just silly and confusing as hell. People need more original names. That does sound really nice. We tend to name jurisdictions after the land owner or someone notable, or we name the jurisdiction by paying homage to the landscape in some way, "bluffs, ridge, heights, lake, maple, oak, field, etc" or some fusion of the two. It can be creative (like Cincinnati, probably my favorite city name) but it's usually is just formulaic and lazy . I think it's most lame when a newer town's founder (or more recently, 'developer' decides to name the place after an existing place that is already very well-established and they do so because they say "it reminds me of..." Columbus and Cleveland are both very generic names, along with most names in Ohio but hey, at least we in Ohio can claim to be "THE Columbus" or "The Cleveland" and there's no disputing it simply because of of population alone but also history and the economic impact we have on...well, the world! I was recently up in Northeastern Michigan as my girlfriend's family has a lakefront cottage up in Leland. I really enjoyed all of the town names up there. A lot of French and Native American influence. It makes it much more interesting when you have names from other languages. "Saginaw" "Detroit" "Leelanau" "Mackinac" "Cadillac" hell, even Lansing, while ugly, at least sounds distinct and when Michigan did resort to naming jurisdictions after land formations, they made it sound enticing! I don't even really like the outdoors that much but "Grand Rapids" just sounds like a blast! Makes me think everyone there is white water rafting and diving into a plunge-pool surrounded by waterfalls all day long. Maybe Ohio needs to step their game up with re-branding. Heh. I'm originally from Central Massachusetts and the names in New England always made me happy. I'm from Leominster and it's the only one in the country. We used to always go to Whalom Lake to swim and ride the Flyer Comet which was in Lunenburg. My dad often went over to Fitchburg for business. My parents are from Salem and Beverly. We used to summer out on Martha's Vineyard and would occasionally visit my Aunt at their cottage on Nantucket. We'd often go up the coast from Salem and stop in Gloucester. My one Aunt lived in Peabody (pronounced peebidy, not pea-body) and my one Uncle lived in Sandwich. Such fun names. Then we went to Cleveland and settled in Broadview Heights (we get it, you can see far from the top of the hill). Though I do love calling Over The Rhine home. Definitely one of the most unique names for a neighborhood in the country.
August 17, 20159 yr "Saginaw" "Detroit" "Leelanau" "Mackinac" "Cadillac" hell, even Lansing, while ugly, at least sounds distinct and when Michigan did resort to naming jurisdictions after land formations, they made it sound enticing! Ha. I had to read this sentence twice because you ironically said "hell" in a list of interesting Michigan city names, and I just assumed you were referring to Hell, Michigan, which is a real place!: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Michigan
August 17, 20159 yr Michigan still has a bunch of fairly large cities that have pretty boring and generic names: Traverse City, Mt. Pleasant, Midland, Jackson etc. But they by far have some of the most fun to say [bolded in the Upper Peninsula, which has a lot]: Kalamazoo, Marquette, Escanaba, Saugatuck, Muskegon, Mackinaw (yes, that is the correct spelling), Petosky, Peshawbestown, Cheboygan, Manistique, Ishpeming, Negaunee, Christmas, Munising, Ontonagon, Menominee.
August 18, 20159 yr Funny how they always have to qualify Columbus with Ohio right after it. Hmmmmmmm They used to do the same with Portland back in the day to distinguish it from the city in Maine. I guess Portland just grew large enough and got to the point where it dominates enough to just be 'Portland'....if they are talking about the city in Maine, then it is Portland, Maine. I guess they must still list both with their respective states in the Northeast (I would imagine).
August 18, 20159 yr Michigan still has a bunch of fairly large cities that have pretty boring and generic names: Traverse City, Mt. Pleasant, Midland, Jackson etc. But they by far have some of the most fun to say [bolded in the Upper Peninsula, which has a lot]: Kalamazoo, Marquette, Escanaba, Saugatuck, Muskegon, Mackinaw (yes, that is the correct spelling), Petosky, Peshawbestown, Cheboygan, Manistique, Ishpeming, Negaunee, Christmas, Munising, Ontonagon, Menominee. How could you forget Ypsilanti?!
August 18, 20159 yr Funny how they always have to qualify Columbus with Ohio right after it. Hmmmmmmm They used to do the same with Portland back in the day to distinguish it from the city in Maine. I guess Portland just grew large enough and got to the point where it dominates enough to just be 'Portland'....if they are talking about the city in Maine, then it is Portland, Maine. I guess they must still list both with their respective states in the Northeast (I would imagine). The post that started this whole debate qualifies Portland as Portland, Oregon. 15. St. Louis 14. Washington, DC 13. Minneapolis-St. Paul 12. Las Vegas 11. Milwaukee 10.Los Angeles 9. Boston 8. Detroit 7.Columbus, Ohio 6. St. Petersburg, Florida 5. Phoenix 4. Denver 3. Seattle 2. San Francisco 1. Portland, Oregon
August 18, 20159 yr Michigan still has a bunch of fairly large cities that have pretty boring and generic names: Traverse City, Mt. Pleasant, Midland, Jackson etc. But they by far have some of the most fun to say [bolded in the Upper Peninsula, which has a lot]: Kalamazoo, Marquette, Escanaba, Saugatuck, Muskegon, Mackinaw (yes, that is the correct spelling), Petosky, Peshawbestown, Cheboygan, Manistique, Ishpeming, Negaunee, Christmas, Munising, Ontonagon, Menominee. How could you forget Ypsilanti?! Or Charlevoix?
August 18, 20159 yr Funny how they always have to qualify Columbus with Ohio right after it. Hmmmmmmm They used to do the same with Portland back in the day to distinguish it from the city in Maine. I guess Portland just grew large enough and got to the point where it dominates enough to just be 'Portland'....if they are talking about the city in Maine, then it is Portland, Maine. I guess they must still list both with their respective states in the Northeast (I would imagine). The post that started this whole debate qualifies Portland as Portland, Oregon. 15. St. Louis 14. Washington, DC 13. Minneapolis-St. Paul 12. Las Vegas 11. Milwaukee 10.Los Angeles 9. Boston 8. Detroit 7.Columbus, Ohio 6. St. Petersburg, Florida 5. Phoenix 4. Denver 3. Seattle 2. San Francisco 1. Portland, Oregon Well duh... that is what I get for not following consistently. I thought Portland had 'made it' and escaped the curse of the same named city. IF Portland is still Portland, Oregon, then Cbus will forever have 'Ohio' trailing it.
August 25, 20159 yr Stumbled on this ranking of most segregated cities. Cleveland comes in #1, Cincinnati #4. http://247wallst.com/special-report/2015/08/19/americas-most-segregated-cities/4/
August 25, 20159 yr Columbus Police Department Ranked #1 in US Based on Twitter Sentiment: http://www.columbusunderground.com/columbus-police-department-ranked-1-in-us-based-on-twitter-sentiment Why? Because our police love to rock n roll !!!!!!!!!!! :banger:
August 26, 20159 yr Interesting ranking... Find out if your state is America's past or future http://labs.time.com/story/census-demographic-projections-interactive/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 28, 20159 yr I'm sorry guys, I've been gone a really long time and I don't know if this particular list was ever posted or if a link was provided to this website so please forgive me if its redundant. I always knew Whitehall (and a lot of Columbus suburbs for that matter) are some of the most crime ridden parts of the metro area but am I the only one who never would have guessed Whitehall would be number one?! Also, how pathetic is it that their stock photo for Whitehall is a Kroger?! Sad that they couldn't find anything more quintessentially 'Whitehall'. Hehe. I do think that some non-violent crimes (traffic crimes for example) are intrinsic with any populated area. I don't know anything about their methodology but I wonder if their list would still be very similar with just violent crime. What say you guys? http://www.onlyinyourstate.com/ohio/most-dangerous-places-in-oh/ It's not true, and I'm not sure where they got their numbers from. There are quite a few places with higher crime rates in the state.
September 3, 20159 yr This is about a community in Minnesota, but it's a great story about how metrics don't mean a damn thing. You can't judge a place by the numbers: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/09/03/i-called-this-place-americas-worst-place-to-live-then-i-went-there/?tid=sm_fb
October 9, 20159 yr Darn. http://www.answers.com/article/1191042/top-10-most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us?paramt=null¶m4=fb-us-de-lifestyle-hppv¶m1=everydaylife¶m2=53172271¶m5=10152155151086186¶m6=6031976418472
October 9, 20159 yr Darn. http://www.answers.com/article/1191042/top-10-most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us?paramt=null¶m4=fb-us-de-lifestyle-hppv¶m1=everydaylife¶m2=53172271¶m5=10152155151086186¶m6=6031976418472 The title of that is so deceptive. Cities to avoid? More like sections/neighborhoods.
October 9, 20159 yr The title of that is so deceptive. Cities to avoid? More like sections/neighborhoods. Cleveland is bad and should be avoided. Nothing more can be said on the subject. Do not challenge the authority of Answers.com.
October 23, 20159 yr yes folks, Painesville is #3!! LOL These Are The 10 Dumbest Cities In Ohio We used science and data to determine which OH cities are real dummies. http://www.roadsnacks.net/these-are-the-10-dumbest-cities-in-ohio/ http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
October 24, 20159 yr This ought to generate some debate as both Cleveland & Columbus made the list but for different reasons... Here's Where America's Most & Least Attractive People Live, According To Dating App Clover http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/countrys-attractive-people-live-dating-app-clover/story?id=34654195 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 29, 20159 yr https://smartasset.com/mortgage/best-cities-beer-drinkers Best cities for beer drinkers 1) Portland, ME 2) Asheville, NC 3) Portland, OR 10) Cincinnati, OH 14) Columbus, OH 18) Cleveland, OH Since I'm sure someone will ask, the methodology for microbreweries per 100,000 residents uses the city population, not metro population. I'm not sure if they counted breweries outside of city limits. I don't think they counted breweries across the river in Northern Kentucky toward Cincinnati, though. It appears they included every brewery in Ohio within the I-275 loop toward Cincinnati's total, so I'm not sure.
December 29, 20159 yr https://smartasset.com/mortgage/best-cities-beer-drinkers I'm not sure if they counted breweries outside of city limits. I was going to say, how the hell does San Diego not crack the top 25.
December 29, 20159 yr If that list was ranked by overall alcohol and not just beer, I'd bet Cincy would have fared even better due to our proximity to bourbon country. “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
December 29, 20159 yr Absolutely. Whisky is my favorite and Cincinnati felt like paradise being so close to good, cheap booze. Cleveland seems to have the most beer snobs per capita out of all the Ohio cities but I think the micro-breweries up here in CLE much higher volume and have greater selections, so I look at as quality over quantity in terms of the number of micro-breweries. I went to Lizardville not that long ago. They have 6000 beers between their bottles and drafts! I don't think they brew their own beer though, so you can see how the study can be a little skewed if you're simply looking at this as a list of the greatest cities to drink beer in. Clevelanders are very loyal to Thirsty Dog, The Brew Kettle, Fat Head and especially Great Lakes. Those brands seem much more well known regionally or nationally to me than anything coming out of Columbus or Cincinnati. Great Lakes has by far the biggest market share out of all the Craft Breweries in Ohio and has to have the greatest selection. I just don't think new micro-breweries in Cleveland would even stand a chance with the brand loyalty you see up here. I admit, I'm not an expert though. Ha! They factored in Yelp scores... how pointless... Yes, there's a lot of Micro-Breweries in Columbus but a lot of them are just lame. Columbus Brewing Co. and The Crest were nothing to write home about. Columbus Brewing Co. was so boring and forgettable that I barely even remember eating there despite spending $80 for me and my girlfriend to have a good time. I hate The Crest. It was just so pretentious without the quality product to back it up and man, was it over-priced. Elevator had some really good beers. I really enjoyed eating and drinking there, though I thought it was ridiculous that because my beer was 12% ABV, they gave me a smaller glass. The building is really cool. It used to be a Gentleman's Club back in the day. It has a lot of history. The server told us about how a man was murdered by his wife in there a hundred years ago. Up here in Cleveland, Great Lakes is my favorite. They have such a great beer selection and the food is as good as bar food can get. It's a lot of fun going there and sampling flights of this and that. Commodore Perry is my favorite beer :)
December 29, 20159 yr There are quite a few new microbreweries in Greater Cleveland doing quite well, I don't know where they are getting the 15 number from, it seems very low. Columbus has a great IPA and Double IPA (Bohdi), but other than those and a pale ale I don't think they are even making anything else, at least they weren't a year or two ago when I went down there. Elevator is great, as is Barley's. High ABV beer coming in a smaller glass is standard among places that understand that not all beer is Miller Lite, and shouldn't be served like it is. It's good alcohol control, and not in the least ridiculous. Get used to it, especially if we raise the ABV limit in Ohio.
December 30, 20159 yr https://smartasset.com/mortgage/best-cities-beer-drinkers Best cities for beer drinkers 1) Portland, ME 2) Asheville, NC 3) Portland, OR 10) Cincinnati, OH 14) Columbus, OH 18) Cleveland, OH Since I'm sure someone will ask, the methodology for microbreweries per 100,000 residents uses the city population, not metro population. I'm not sure if they counted breweries outside of city limits. I don't think they counted breweries across the river in Northern Kentucky toward Cincinnati, though. It appears they included every brewery in Ohio within the I-275 loop toward Cincinnati's total, so I'm not sure. Another stupid advertorial for a mortgage company using yelp APIs.
December 30, 20159 yr Yes, there's a lot of Micro-Breweries in Columbus but a lot of them are just lame. Columbus Brewing Co. and The Crest were nothing to write home about. Columbus Brewing Co. was so boring and forgettable that I barely even remember eating there despite spending $80 for me and my girlfriend to have a good time. I hate The Crest. It was just so pretentious without the quality product to back it up and man, was it over-priced. Not to nitpick, but, 1. CBC (the restaurant) is not affiliated with Columbus Brewing Company (the brewery). This is admittedly confusing. 2. The Crest is not, and has never been, a microbrewery. It's just a restaurant that serves craft beer.
January 15, 20169 yr Columbus among America's Next Boom Towns! (number 14 out of 15). http://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2016/01/14/americas-next-boom-towns/#269576af0dd9162c70faf0dd
January 17, 20169 yr America's most future-ready cities... http://www.futurereadyeconomies.dell.com/ranking-americas-most-future-ready-cities/?mpcs=bypass&dgc=sm&cid=sqz&lid=n7xyw62&ven1=n7xyw62&ACD=12309218103137640&VEN3=112103147245745202 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 24, 20169 yr This ought to generate some debate as both Cleveland & Columbus made the list but for different reasons... Here's Where America's Most & Least Attractive People Live, According To Dating App Clover http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/countrys-attractive-people-live-dating-app-clover/story?id=34654195 I mostly agree with these lists, and apps like Tinder (what the hell is Clover?) have unfortunately given us brutal metrics to measure attractiveness in different cities. Still, beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. I agree Oakland has some of the least attractive women in America (it should have been #1 least attractive, not #3), but there are tons of hipster guys who love all the tattoos and piercings on women in Oakland. White, upper class, hardcore hipster types are going to love the white women in Oakland. If you're not white and not a hipster, it's going to be the exact opposite experience. You'll get treated like scum, so these mean, classist personalities make people even uglier. I'd say Oakland should also rank #1 for least attractive men. It's the only city in America I know of where people purposely spend a lot of money trying to look bad. But this lack of sex appeal is all done on purpose as counter-culture against San Francisco. San Francisco has gotten increasingly obsessed with beauty as its economy has soared. People are either into the hipster look or not. I'm certainly not, and the hipster women in Oakland hate me just the same (but ironically, I do well in Portland). I get hit on a lot in San Francisco, but very rarely do (white) women approach me in Oakland (Oakland in general is less social). I can only safely talk to Black, Mixed Race, and Latina women in Oakland. Hipster white women immediately shut me down, even when I make it clear I'm not sexually interested in them. I get treated like dirt. I am well aware I'm the antichrist of Oakland hipsters. So while I'm pretty lucky with girls in San Francisco, I'd never be able to get laid in Oakland unless I'm cheating with some woman who moved out here married to a tech millionaire in Rockridge. So far, those have been the only types of dates I've ever gone on in Oakland, and the women lied about still living with their partners. My experience in San Francisco is a total 180 from this since I fit in much better there, even moreso today since parts of it have turned into Santa Monica Del Norte. I'm way more LA than Bay, but SF is turning into LA crossed with NYC. Oakland is still the same old hipster Oakland. I'm not part of that scene, so there's no point investing time in it. :| What's important for anyone going by these metrics (or their individual Tinder results) is to understand what cities they fit into and what cities they don't. It's only worth your time as a man to follow up on warm leads in friendly environments. Like many men, my Tinder results vary widely between cities. I do best in NYC, LA, TO, SF, San Jose, Berkeley, Ann Arbor, Dallas, Detroit, West Michigan, Portland, Seattle, and a few other spots (like Vegas if they don't know I'm a tourist). I do terrible in Oakland, Denver, Salt Lake City, and any Mountain West state. The Mountain West is a total back hole for me except for maybe Missoula and Yellowstone. There also is a clear racial component at play too. I by far match best with Latinas. I do well with white women in my strong cities, but in my weak cities, I do terrible with white women. These dating apps actually give you a lot of valuable information that can send off some clear warning signals on where you shouldn't live. What people find attractive varies greatly between cities. I guess I'm happy my best Tinder cities are also my favorite cities in America. Cities also have a general personality and anybody can be a fish out of water in certain American cities. Our country is just that big and diverse. Smart guys avoid environments where they get rejected and focus on the ones where they have success. There is no point in trying to change people's beauty standards. Beauty standards are wildly different between American cities. A guy getting laid in Oakland is likely not getting laid in San Francisco and vice versa. There are a lot of racial elements built into this too. Almost everybody has a type, and this usually falls along some racial lines. I can't even count the number of my white friends in SF who only date Asian women. I see the same thing with some girls who only date guys from a single race. I date every race, so I'm probably more the exception than the norm in the Bay. I see way less Black-White mixing here than I did in Toledo, that's for sure. You'd think in a city as diverse as Oakland, this would be common, but it's not. All my neighbors only date people of their same race with some of the white people dating Asians. Manhattan and Santa Monica are easily the two best-looking cities for women IMO, so I agree with that part of the list too, though LA belongs right up there as well. Within the last year or two, I'd say San Francisco has also entered the top 10 club as supermodels from around the world keep flooding the city. It's amazing how ridiculously good-looking women have gotten in SF over the last few years. Clearly there is some looks bias at play in hiring since all of these recent Manhattan and SoCal transplants are insanely attractive. California can be a pretty shallow place... *The thing is the best-looking cities also tend to be cities where there is more social pressure to look good. People dress up and work out a lot more in these types of cities. LA and NYC have a lot of pressure to look good, at least for the women (I'd say the women are better-looking than the guys in both of those cities). SF has increasing pressure to look good for both genders. America varies widely in fashion and beauty standards. What's attractive to someone in Columbus might not be attractive to someone in Santa Monica or Manhattan. Different strokes for different folks... **I also agree Cleveland has insanely good-looking women for a Midwestern city. Chicago does too. Detroit and Toledo did too up until the most recent recession. They still have a lot of beautiful women, but everybody looks more world-weary. In general, the Great Lakes cities are hotbeds of good-looking people. That's the only region that can hang with coastal California IMO. ***I don't think Columbus has the sex appeal of the Great Lakes, but it certainly didn't deserve to rank bottom ten. I'd say it's pretty representative of the United States as a whole, so it's right near the middle. It blows Oakland clear out of the water for both women and men. Personalities are also much better in moderate Columbus, so that's worth a lot. Ohio overall is above average in looks, and personalities are way above average. Ohio people generally are nicer and more outgoing than in much of the country. I'd take that before ridiculous good looks any day. That ranking also dropped the ball with Detroit and Minnesota. Anyone who has used Tinder in Detroit knows it's one of the best cities for women in the Midwest. The Detroit area is loaded with Lebanese, Syrian, and Eastern European women. That's also why Toledo is good-looking. How did Michigan rank top 10 while Detroit ranked bottom 10? Half of Michigan lives in metro Detroit. The rest of the state is good-looking as well. The beach towns are excellent- Grand Haven, Holland, Traverse City, etc. are way above average, and people age well in those spots too. As a whole, Michigan people might be the best Americans. They are friendly and real with a decent sense of community. The small towns on Lake Michigan have a very unique culture in America. Minnesota is easily one of the tops states for women, and I'm shocked any straight male would rank it bottom 10 (though the smiles are a little intense). Some of the most beautiful women I know are from Minnesota. I'd take all these rankings with a grain of salt since sexual attraction is ultimately a very personal thing. I'm attracted to San Francisco Marina girls while a lot of other guys are attracted to Oakland girls. Nobody is technically right or wrong. We just have different tastes. ***America has turned into a brutal looksocracy and Tinder has only made this worse. There are a lot of talks right now about creating apps that mix Tinder with LinkedIn. Recruiters will be able to swipe on job candidates. We now have a whole generation of kids trained to judge people in an instant. This won't end well for us...we all get old eventually. :oops: Looks don't even matter if someone has a terrible personality and is a horrible person.
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