^You're right...only 7 million in absolute dollars is absurd.

edit: I misread the numbers. $7 million has to be way off. Either that, or we are missing some context that excludes a bunch of projects. The Flats East Bank alone was a $150 million project, and it opened last year.

 

edit2: I found the thread. The numbers were taken from here:

 

http://censtats.census.gov/bldg/bldgprmt.shtml

 

^ Those permit numbers don't seem accurate. It shows zero 2-4 family residential construction permits, and only two 5+ family permits in Cincinnati which isn't even close to correct.

http://www.downtowncincinnati.com/docs/default-source/Stakeholder-Docs/2016-state-of-downtown.pdf

 

Page 11

 

Cincinnati:

 

For Downtown and OTR, it looks like residential plus mixed use which I looked at and was mostly residential with retail on bottom had $126 million completed in 2015

 

For Downtown and OTR, under construction in 2016 for residential plus mixed use which is mostly residential with retail below was at $249 million

 

Now, these are just two neighborhoods, you take into account just around where I live, with Columbia Tusculum, Riverside, there is a lot going on there, and then also Uptown has a ton of new residential going up, Northside, etc.  I would guess the real number of conversions and new construction for residential is closer to $400 million under construction in Cincinnati

I was thinking that the numbers only accounted for new construction (and not conversion), but even then they don't come close.... for Cleveland at least.

These numbers make no sense.

:-) It's appropriate data for this thread.

Americans spend more of their income on rent than any other first-world country except Spain

http://housingperspectives.blogspot.com/2016/08/how-do-us-renters-fare-compared-to.html

 

 

BTW many of these countries (France, Germany, Sweden) have significant rent control & public housing regimes

Best museums in America.  CMA #2 right behind The Met.  The Air Force museum in Dayton comes in at #11

 

http://www.thisisinsider.com/the-best-museums-in-america-ranked-2016-8/#25-diabeacon-1

 

 

^ Those are definitely the two best museums that I've been to in Ohio, by a mile. Hard to argue with any of the museums on that list, but MoMA at 19? That's one of the best, most famous art museums in the world with some of art's most iconic pieces. Also curious to not see any of the big Smithsonian museums listed, or the US Museum of Natural History in NY or the Guggenheim.

^^ The Baseball Hall of Fame does not deserve to be on that list sans Pete Rose. Another very proper post for the title of this thread!

Best museums in America.  CMA #2 right behind The Met.  The Air Force museum in Dayton comes in at #11

 

http://www.thisisinsider.com/the-best-museums-in-america-ranked-2016-8/#25-diabeacon-1

 

 

Awesome ranking for CMA, but couldn't they have come up with a better description, especially when reading the more in-depth information on all the other museums??

 

"A cast of Auguste Rodin's famous sculpture, "The Thinker," that was damaged by a pipe bomb in 1970 stands outside this museum overlooking Cleveland's Wade Park."

Though I'd rank the Philadelphia Museum of Art higher than, say Renwick Gallery, the list is solid.  I agree with edale that the two museums are Ohio's best, though I don't think one should discredit the Toledo Museum of Art.

Americans spend more of their income on rent than any other first-world country except Spain

http://housingperspectives.blogspot.com/2016/08/how-do-us-renters-fare-compared-to.html

 

 

BTW many of these countries (France, Germany, Sweden) have significant rent control & public housing regimes

Every other country on that list has significantly more taxes than the U.S., in some cases more than 50% of their gross income goes to taxes to pay for their "free" services.  This means we (U.S.) have more disposable income available to pay for housing.  It would be interesting to see the same comparison showing rent as a % of "net" income, that's the relevant measure.

^^ The Baseball Hall of Fame does not deserve to be on that list sans Pete Rose. Another very proper post for the title of this thread!

 

Except he is in the Museum. He is also a block away selling autographs on induction weekends. If anything, Cooperstown might need little less Pete Rose.

^ Those are definitely the two best museums that I've been to in Ohio, by a mile. Hard to argue with any of the museums on that list, but MoMA at 19? That's one of the best, most famous art museums in the world with some of art's most iconic pieces. Also curious to not see any of the big Smithsonian museums listed, or the US Museum of Natural History in NY or the Guggenheim.

 

I think the list is based on an internet poll.

Best museums in America.  CMA #2 right behind The Met.  The Air Force museum in Dayton comes in at #11

 

http://www.thisisinsider.com/the-best-museums-in-america-ranked-2016-8/#25-diabeacon-1

 

 

Awesome ranking for CMA, but couldn't they have come up with a better description, especially when reading the more in-depth information on all the other museums??

 

"A cast of Auguste Rodin's famous sculpture, "The Thinker," that was damaged by a pipe bomb in 1970 stands outside this museum overlooking Cleveland's Wade Park."

 

I was thinking the same thing! How can the museum at the #2 spot have such a weak description? They could have mentioned the vast collection and some specific, very famous paintings found inside. The CMA is one of my favorite features here in Cleveland. I love going there.

Impressively dumb-a$$!

 

http://www.10best.com/awards/travel/best-city-car-free/

 

The top 10 winners in the category Best City to Go Car-Free are as follows:

 

[ranked in order, from 1 to 10]

 

Cleveland

Denver

New York

Chicago

Washington

Minneapolis

San Francisco

Las Vegas

Boston

Portland

Are you kidding me?

 

Clevelanders are going to want to burn me at the stake for saying this but Cleveland does not deserve the number one spot on a list of best cities to be car-free. I live in Cleveland and I'm car-free and it blows!

 

I love Cleveland, don't get me wrong but just because a city has a couple train lines, doesn't mean it has world class or even good public transit.

 

First of all, most people in Cleveland don't live in walking distance to a rapid station. You know what that means? You're taking a bus to get to the rapid or taking a rapid train and connecting to a bus to get to your destination.

 

Guess what no one at RTA in Cleveland has ever heard of? TRANSFERS. That's right. Even if your total trip is two miles long, going in the same general direction, there are many scenarios where you will be paying almost the same price for your one-way, two mile trip as you would for a day pass. I had to pay twice just to go from Shaker Sq. to the Red Line station at W. 25th! If Columbus or Cincinnati had commuter trains, you wouldn't have to do that. You would have a transfer printed out.

 

Every time I hop on the Red Line train, there's always some immediate announcement about something that is broken down and how they're sorry for the inconvenience. They're always working on one of the tracks and it just screws everything up because they don't have enough tracks anyway. Every time I take the Red Line from Tower City, I get asked by the RTA lady if I'm heading east-bound or west-bound because the train is only going one way that day (and the direction changes very frequently.) I've taken the Blue line several times and I think they said it was because the Red Line had to share a track with us, we had to sit for about 20 minutes which seemed unnecessary.

 

The elevator at Tower City is almost ALWAYS broken. They have to run shuttles from E. 55th all the way downtown to accommodate disabled people.

 

Since the Health Line and Red Line are basically free for anyone not boarding/getting off downtown, the seats are soaked in malt liquor. God it smells bad.

 

The last RTA bus I rode clearly needed new brakes very badly and shouldn't have even been in operation. They were squeaking really loud and the driver had to slam on them to get the bus to stop. There was no easing into it. Also, I'd say half of the buses I've taken this summer did not have working air conditioning and were over-crowded.

 

It is nice that the Health Line runs like every five to ten minutes but that's a bus that basically goes down one street and all of the other buses run about once every 45 minutes on average. Often times they only run once an hour, even during busy hours of the day.

 

Public transit in Columbus is MUCH better and they don't even have trains.

Are you kidding me?

 

Clevelanders are going to want to burn me at the stake for saying this but Cleveland does not deserve the number one spot on a list of best cities to be car-free. I live in Cleveland and I'm car-free and it blows!

 

There is a reason the thread title is what it is. And I don't think anybody in Cleveland would disagree with you.

That car free list is travel list for visitors not wanting to rent cars, not a list for permanent residents who are car free. There's a big difference in the needs and destinations of someone taking a 3 day weekend to visit a destination and not wanting to rent a car versus a resident who permanently lives car free.

 

With Cleveland's airport having rail service arriving around 3:45am and having trains leave until after 1am, all visitors arriving and departing by plane can use the rapid. Many major cities that do have train service to their airports can't boast those hours. So for a traveler flying into Hopkins, staying downtown, wanting to see a sporting event or concert, visiting the Rock Hall, visit the museums in University Circle, eat in Ohio City, check out the Shaker Square farmer's market, visit Edgewater, and check out the Flats a car is completely unnecessary in Cleveland.

 

Fair enough. I see your point and I suppose for most people coming to Cleveland on a short business trip or for leisure, they might get a favorable impression of RTA's public transit system by taking the Red Line, Circulator, or Health Line if they're simply hopping around the major nodes of Hopkins, W. 25th, Public Sq.  / downtown, University Circle or taking the Blue Line to Shaker Square but come on, that's literally about it. The Red Line has swift boarding and those nodes you mentioned have top notch train stations that are modern, clean, air-conditioned and play lovely music to help keep you occupied. The trains run frequently. It's unfortunate though (and I admit I'm making assumptions but I'm confident that there's something to it) that RTA would make out-of-towners a much higher priority over the wants and needs of actual Clevelanders who live here and are paying to subsidize the system.

 

Since I moved to Cleveland last year, I can now say that I've lived in all of the "3'Cs" and so I'm very critical of each city / region and can't help but compare them all.

 

One thing I LOVED about Cincinnati is that they invested much more in the poor neighborhoods than the rich ones. As much as Cincinnati caught flak for being segregated and conservative, the majority of government funding for infrastructure went to under-privelaged neighborhoods most in need and I've seen how it's transformed neighborhoods and spurred a sh!t ton of private investment as a result, when it otherwise wouldn't have. Don't get me wrong, I know we're talking about two different things but I'm simply referring to a mindset. I really wish that there was some initiative involving collaboration between RTA, the City of Cleveland, investors and developers where they would develop some of those fancy train stations in under-privelaged areas that have a lot of potential.

 

I've taken the Red Line from Cedar-University towards downtown and had to get off on E. 79th because unbeknownst to me when I got on, that was last stop for that train. Jesus Christ! I went from a state-of-the-art facility with air conditioning to exiting on to a rotting wooden platform about 5 feet wide, next to a dilapidated bridge that looked like it was going to collapse. The pillars on so many of these bridges (not to mention various retaining walls) have crumbled so badly, they don't even look like they're safe to handle a load capacity of the concrete itself! Why has local and regional government ignored so much repair work for so long? It's like they have no sense of being proactive with all of the issues RTA has with its infrastructure. The bridge I just spoke of - I've seen that they are repairing it now but it looks like it should have been done 30 years ago.

 

If they think serving the city's "guests" before anyone else is important for their image, they should probably also consider that it's pretty obvious that the BLACK neighborhoods are essentially the only ones with jenky, dilapidated train stations that haven't been remodeled and repaired in countless decades. Honestly, my first impression of RTA was that it deliberately caters to rich white business folk even though that's not the majority of who rides it. The Green Line past Shaker Square...totally pointless except to get people to the park-and-ride at Green Rd. There's literally three times as many train stations through Shaker Heights as there are from Shaker Heights to Downtown. They need to just get rid of the Green Line or only run it about 4 hours a day when people actually ride it through Shaker but I have a feeling that would never happen because although those rich folks in Shaker never actually ride it, they like knowing that it's there and think it should be there in case they want to ride it for sport some day.

 

The E. 34th St. station on the Blue Line is a tragic waste right now but has so much potential. Yeah, there's some undesirable land-use types nearby but I don't think that that's any sort of excuse when we know Clevelander's take pride in their industrial, gritty look. Hell, people are paying $1100 a month for a two-bedroom in Tremont that overlooks the salt mines. Come on RTA, work with developers. Get something going on E. 34th! It's right near Tri-C for God's sake. Have shuttle buses that conveniently take people from the station to the nearby nodes / destinations. Make moves that will entice people go to these neighborhoods. All it takes is a little creativity, an understanding that development and growth will come after investing in infrastructure and most importantly, it takes a little bit of "giving a sh!t" about the city. Clevelanders like myself deserve better than this transit system. I know that RTA is under-funded and something needs to be done about that as well but there's probably also a lot of inefficiencies going on. I think of myself as an RTA customer who pays $2.50 for each ride or $5.50 for a day pass and I feel like I'm not getting a good deal at all. I shouldn't have to wait literally an hour in the heat, for a bus at the Cedar-University station! That makes no sense. It takes me 12 minutes to get from Tower City to Cedar-University station but since I have to transfer onto a bus, it ends up being an hour and 12 minute trip just to get to Cleveland Heights! That's ridiculous. I'm sure travelers from other cities would experience a lot of the same issues I have, if they didn't rent a car.

 

The RTA experience of incoming travelers is total smoke and mirrors (when they're not being held up by repair work when the Red Line is out of service going east or west of downtown which has been the case all friggin' summer.)

East 79th Street, from top to bottom, is just like that station.  All the attractions in the world can't cover that up.

East 79th Street, from top to bottom, is just like that station.  All the attractions in the world can't cover that up.

 

You're not thinking with a "growth mind-set."

:-) It's appropriate data for this thread.

 

Right.  That's what I was trying to get at.  I don't understand these numbers, and I wanted to start conversation based off of them.  They seem too low.  In my travels recently, I will say that most Midwestern cities seem to be doing a lot more than the 3C's, though.  I really don't understand the numbers for Cleveland as I think Cleveland is doing a lot more than Cincinnati.  But having been to Milwaukee, St. Louis and even Detroit within the last two months, Cleveland and Cincinnati are really lacking in new construction period whether it be residential or commercial.

What are these numbers? No context. Does that number include residential conversions?  Also, I never see you post in the numerous Cleveland neighborhood forums which discusses ongoing residential development.

 

I check into Cleveland's development page all the time.  Not much happening or really impressive.  It's slowed down greatly this year, and with the promise of big projects... typical Cleveland, nothing actually comes to fruition.  Meanwhile, Milwaukee is about to raise a fourth crane over downtown.  I am not bashing Cleveland, just being critical.  Same goes for the rest of Ohio, nothing impressive is really happening where you can brag about how well the cities in this state are doing.

You do know there's a crane in University Circle for a 20 story apartment building. The 30 story Hilton opened several months ago. The East Bank has a 20 story building that's a few years old and phase 2 is pretty new. The 9 is 20+ story building that was empty for almost my entire life and now it has apartments and hotel. Heinen's renovated the old Cleveland Trust building another building that had been empty my entire life. The Schofield recently opened with apartments and a boutique hotel. Looks the Cleveland Athletic Club has financing. That's another 15 story building being renovated. There is an 11 story apartment building at 18th and Euclid under construction (there was a crane there). The Standard, Garfield and Leader buildings are being renovated. Almost every building on Euclid has been converted to apartments over the last few years. Weston seems to moving forward with their Warehouse district plans. 515, a 20 story apartment building, seems to be moving forward as well. Will see what happens with Nucleus. I don't know the make up of downtown Milwaukee, but Cleveland had a glut of empty buildings. Those are almost gone. Not sure what you are expecting. 

What are these numbers? No context. Does that number include residential conversions?  Also, I never see you post in the numerous Cleveland neighborhood forums which discusses ongoing residential development.

 

I check into Cleveland's development page all the time.  Not much happening or really impressive.  It's slowed down greatly this year, and with the promise of big projects... typical Cleveland, nothing actually comes to fruition.  Meanwhile, Milwaukee is about to raise a fourth crane over downtown.  I am not bashing Cleveland, just being critical.  Same goes for the rest of Ohio, nothing impressive is really happening where you can brag about how well the cities in this state are doing.

 

Here's Columbus' under construction and planned list: http://allcolumbusdata.com/?page_id=4618

I have no idea how comparable it is to other regional cities, but there's a lot going on. 

Here's the list of completed projects: http://allcolumbusdata.com/?page_id=12

I wish we have something like this but, of this year  :mrgreen:

It was a great listing, Im current discovering new cities before I establish myself in some who-knows U.S.A state :P

forums.skyscraperpage.com is pretty thorough. I must peruse that site a solid hour a day.

 

What's happening in New York in New York is in particular shocking; my god they must have 100s of projects.

#Cleveland amid top 15 cities to live, although Hoboken beat us out: https://t.co/bKpwzy6NYo

Hoboken is a very cool place, so long as you don't mind dodging dog sh!t every 5 feet on the sidewalk

You do know there's a crane in University Circle for a 20 story apartment building. The 30 story Hilton opened several months ago. The East Bank has a 20 story building that's a few years old and phase 2 is pretty new. The 9 is 20+ story building that was empty for almost my entire life and now it has apartments and hotel. Heinen's renovated the old Cleveland Trust building another building that had been empty my entire life. The Schofield recently opened with apartments and a boutique hotel. Looks the Cleveland Athletic Club has financing. That's another 15 story building being renovated. There is an 11 story apartment building at 18th and Euclid under construction (there was a crane there). The Standard, Garfield and Leader buildings are being renovated. Almost every building on Euclid has been converted to apartments over the last few years. Weston seems to moving forward with their Warehouse district plans. 515, a 20 story apartment building, seems to be moving forward as well. Will see what happens with Nucleus. I don't know the make up of downtown Milwaukee, but Cleveland had a glut of empty buildings. Those are almost gone. Not sure what you are expecting.

 

I guess you didn't read the part where I said I check in daily on what is happening in the Cleveland developments section.  You could have saved yourself plenty of typing by listing all the projects you just did.  Believe it or not, I do try to update Cleveland's development on other sites by posting pictures, links, etc every time something new pops up, etc.  I am not expecting anything out of Cleveland, really.  But compared to just about every single Rust Belt city out there, Cleveland isn't really doing a lot when it comes to construction.  It takes knowing and seeing what is happening in other cities, and like you have said yourself, you really don't know what is happening in Milwaukee. 

According to you, all the projects I Iisted don't count ...I get it. Also, you missed my point.

^Median household income in Toronto is 50% higher than it is in Ohio, and they get free healthcare.

Income is 50% higher but then they take 40% of that to pay for the "Free" healthcare.

 

Where do you get that 40% from?

 

In that same tax bracket, the US takes approx. $5,000 plus 25% of anything over approx. $37,000.  If my math is correct, with a $75,000 income and not including any deductions, the tax bill for an individual would be roughly $15,000

 

Canada takes 15% on the first $43,000 and then 22% on the next $48,000.  Again using the $75,000 figure, that gets you closer to $17,000 for the tax liability for an individual.

 

Thank you for this.  The fuzzy tax math here in the USA is used to keep people fearing socialism!  Yet we pay almost as much and get nothing in return! 

^Median household income in Toronto is 50% higher than it is in Ohio, and they get free healthcare.

Income is 50% higher but then they take 40% of that to pay for the "Free" healthcare.

 

Where do you get that 40% from?

 

In that same tax bracket, the US takes approx. $5,000 plus 25% of anything over approx. $37,000.  If my math is correct, with a $75,000 income and not including any deductions, the tax bill for an individual would be roughly $15,000

 

Canada takes 15% on the first $43,000 and then 22% on the next $48,000.  Again using the $75,000 figure, that gets you closer to $17,000 for the tax liability for an individual.

 

Thank you for this.  The fuzzy tax math here in the USA is used to keep people fearing socialism!  Yet we pay almost as much and get nothing in return! 

 

Military, we get lots of military.

According to you, all the projects I Iisted don't count ...I get it. Also, you missed my point.

 

No, I never said they didn't count.  Nor did I miss your point.  You're missing mine.

^Median household income in Toronto is 50% higher than it is in Ohio, and they get free healthcare.

Income is 50% higher but then they take 40% of that to pay for the "Free" healthcare.

 

Where do you get that 40% from?

 

In that same tax bracket, the US takes approx. $5,000 plus 25% of anything over approx. $37,000.  If my math is correct, with a $75,000 income and not including any deductions, the tax bill for an individual would be roughly $15,000

 

Canada takes 15% on the first $43,000 and then 22% on the next $48,000.  Again using the $75,000 figure, that gets you closer to $17,000 for the tax liability for an individual.

 

Thank you for this.  The fuzzy tax math here in the USA is used to keep people fearing socialism!  Yet we pay almost as much and get nothing in return! 

 

Military, we get lots of military.

 

Useful to all the other socialists of the world for protecting THEIR way of life. 

^The market determines new construction. Why build 30 story buildings when you have a glut of empty buildings ripe for conversion? That's why we're hearing about new construction now because most of those buildings have been converted. Again, what are you expecting?

^Again, what's are you expecting?

 

Pretty obvious.  More growth in the city.  Don't know why that's so hard to understand.  Leadership in Cleveland is lacking for that growth to happen. 

i put this in the cle business thread -- but it could be here as well -- it was released today:

 

 

2015 Combined Statistical Area & Largest MSAs GDP

Population 3 Million+

 

New York-Newark-Jersey City $1.828 Trillion

Los Angeles-Long Beach $1.119 Trillion

San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland $ 758.501 Billion

Washington-Baltimore-Arlington $698.398 Billion

Chicago-Naperville $648.435 Billion

Boston-Worcester-Providence $550.838 Billion

Houston-The Woodlands $503.311 Billion

Dallas-Ft Worth $489.633 Billion

Philadelphia-Reading-Camden $445.397 Billion

Atlanta-Athens-Clarke County-Sandy Springs $355.914 Billion

Seattle-Tacoma $340.064 Billion

Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Port St Lucie $335.215 Billion

Detroit-Warren-Ann Arbor $285.308 Billion

Minneapolis-St Paul $232.103 Billion

Denver-Aurora $227.058 Billion

San Diego-Carlsbad $220.573 Billion

Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale $219.968 Billion

Portland-Vancouver-Salem $173.538 Billion

Cleveland-Akron-Canton $162.638 Billion

Orlando-Deltona-Daytona Beach $124.802 Billion

 

 

Based on Current Dollar Value.

^Again, what's are you expecting?

 

Pretty obvious.  More growth in the city.  Don't know why that's so hard to understand.  Leadership in Cleveland is lacking for that growth to happen. 

 

I don't see any proof from you that development is happening at such a great clip in other rust belt cities.

^Again, what's are you expecting?

 

Pretty obvious.  More growth in the city.  Don't know why that's so hard to understand.  Leadership in Cleveland is lacking for that growth to happen. 

 

I don't see any proof from you that development is happening at such a great clip in other rust belt cities.

 

I don't know if the goal should be that Cleveland only match what other rust-belt cities are doing.  Frankly, that's kind of a low bar. 

 

BTW, as mentioned above, metro GDP's were released today.  Cleveland is barely hanging onto #1 in the state, at just over $128 billion.  Cincinnati is at $127 and Columbus is at $124.  Both are likely to pass Cleveland fairly soon.  While it's not the end-all, be-all or anything, I think it might be another blow to the city's psyche.  The point is that it has to do more.

Here's one for the pile: http://time.com/money/4490477/the-best-big-cities/

 

Columbus named best city of the Midwest region by Money.  Of course, it failed to even do due diligence of getting the correct population figures, so yeah...

Hoboken is a very cool place.........

 

Said by no one!  >:D

 

^

 

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2016/06/28/the-worst-cities-to-live-in/2/

 

I didn't even read this one.

^ i didn't either, i just jumped to the point. fyi miami was the dubious number one -- i dk what this bloggy website is, but at least they made some attempt to explain themselves on the last page, which is better than most:

 

9. Cleveland, Ohio

> Population: 389,524

> Median home value: $65,900

> Poverty rate: 39.2%

> Pct. with at least a bachelor’s degree: 15.1%

 

The typical Cleveland household earns only $24,701 a year, the second lowest median household income of any U.S. city. The city’s 39.2% poverty rate is the fifth highest of any U.S. city. Likely as a result of poor economic conditions, the city’s population has declined by 9.7% in the last five years alone. The negative population growth is not doing much to help property values in Cleveland. The median home value in the city of $65,900 is worth less than in all but three other U.S. cities.

 

As in many cities where residents are suffering economically, crime is a major problem in Cleveland. Violent crimes, a category that includes murder and assault, are roughly 3.7 times more common in Cleveland per capita than they are across the country as a whole.

 

 

^ i didn't either, i just jumped to the point. fyi miami was the dubious number one -- i dk what this bloggy website is, but at least they made some attempt to explain themselves on the last page, which is better than most:

 

9. Cleveland, Ohio

> Population: 389,524

> Median home value: $65,900

> Poverty rate: 39.2%

> Pct. with at least a bachelor’s degree: 15.1%

 

The typical Cleveland household earns only $24,701 a year, the second lowest median household income of any U.S. city. The city’s 39.2% poverty rate is the fifth highest of any U.S. city. Likely as a result of poor economic conditions, the city’s population has declined by 9.7% in the last five years alone. The negative population growth is not doing much to help property values in Cleveland. The median home value in the city of $65,900 is worth less than in all but three other U.S. cities.

 

As in many cities where residents are suffering economically, crime is a major problem in Cleveland. Violent crimes, a category that includes murder and assault, are roughly 3.7 times more common in Cleveland per capita than they are across the country as a whole.

 

 

Miami is a horrible place to live if you're not a higher income earner. All of these lists are stupid, but I think they're looking at it at the middle class and lower level.