February 3, 201213 yr Looks like LBJ didn't just take his talents to South Beach..... a good chunk the 'misery' went with him too. I hate to say it but my first thought was also that wherever James goes ends up being crowned most miserable city.
February 4, 201213 yr Looks like LBJ didn't just take his talents to South Beach..... a good chunk the 'misery' went with him too. I hate to say it but my first thought was also that wherever James goes ends up being crowned most miserable city. I'm much happier with that guy gone. At least our basketball team tries its hardest to be mediocre, not half-arses it and quits in the playoffs.
February 4, 201213 yr Ok, but no one cares about him. He is a thing of the past, so let's leave him there. Cleveland already gets ragged on enough for talking about him all the time.
February 4, 201213 yr But now to really why I came here, I present to you the 2012 edition of the Granddaddy of all dumb-a$$ rankings lists, the Forbes Most Miserable Cities Rankings: 1. Miami, FL 2. Detroit, MI 3. Flint, MI 4. West Palm Beach, FL 5. Sacramento, CA 6. Chicago, IL 7. Fort Lauderdale, FL 8. Toledo, OH 9. Rockford, IL 10. Warren, MI 11. Stockton, CA 12. Cleveland, OH 13. Lansing, MI 14. Akron, OH 15. Merced, CA http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2012/02/02/americas-most-miserable-cities/ Whhhaaaat? Have you seen the women in Ft. Lauderdale? That alone makes it impossible for it to be one of the worst cities.
February 4, 201213 yr Love the reasoning. #12 Cleveland, Ohio Things have brightened in our 2010 most miserable city as unemployment is below the U.S. average at 7.7% and home prices are off just 4% since 2008. Cleveland still makes the cut thanks to high taxes (income and property) along with lousy weather and sports teams.
February 4, 201213 yr Very surprised that Miami is number 1. Granted I have spent most of my time there in South Beach, but it is hard to believe for a place that is usually 85 degrees and sunny on New Year's day.
February 4, 201213 yr Their methodology is ridiculous! These lists inevitably have the same factors: Crime, economic growth/unemployment rate, traffic congestion (typical quality-of-life indicators) .....and current record of local sports teams. I don't even like sports unless I'm playing them myself.
February 4, 201213 yr ^"Sorry Akron, if your Aeros would have won just two more games you wouldn't have wound up in the top 15." - Forbes
February 4, 201213 yr ^"Sorry Akron, if your Aeros would have won just two more games you wouldn't have wound up in the top 15." - Forbes I guess Akron gets no credit for UA's outstanding soccer program (including being the 2010 national champions).
February 4, 201213 yr That one guy in the Akron arena thread has made it clear that UA isn't actually a part of Akron, so it doesn't count. ;)
February 6, 201213 yr Yes, Forbes does it again. listing Cleveland as America's snowiest major city. Not only is this inaccurate, but the average snowfall they assigned to Cleveland is incorrect.... http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20120206/BLOGS03/120209907 Here are cities with major-league sports teams that get as much or more snow as Cleveland.... Cleveland -- 56.9 Salt Lake City -- 58.5 Denver -- 60.3 Buffalo -- 93.6 Data is from the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration which compiles and archives official climate records for the United States. http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/online/ccd/snowfall.html EDIT: e-mail Scott at [email protected] e-mail Forbes Beth Greenfield at [email protected] If they want to hate Cleveland for accurate reasons, fine. But not for invented reasons. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 7, 201213 yr Their definition of "major" city seems to be based on the top 50 largest incorporated places' populations within the city limits only. This explains why Buffalo and Salt Lake City are excluded. The ridiculous thing about this survey, to me, is that Forbes could simply use the each city's yearly average over recorded history, created one list, and never need to do it again. In fact this is absolutely how they should do it if they were looking to determine the actual snowiest cities, and not just the snowiest cities in a single year (which would be dumb).
February 7, 201213 yr The amount of discussion these provoke justifies them continuing to publish them. Someday, they may even be an actually useful metric of...something. And we're moving off the list this year, because it ain't snowing, and the Cavs are better...right?
February 7, 201213 yr The amount of discussion these provoke justifies them continuing to publish them. Someday, they may even be an actually useful metric of...something. And we're moving off the list this year, because it ain't snowing, and the Cavs are better...right? Nah, Forbes will find some other reason to hate us. Perhaps the silver linings on our clouds are too bright.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 3, 201213 yr ^Thanks for sharing this information, unusualfire. Needless to say I was glad to see that: (1) the article WASN'T just another dumb Forbes ranking; (2) Cincinnati placed well in the large metro category; and (3) several other Ohio cities (especially Dayton) made the list. One major question, however-- (half in earnest/half in jest)--and that is: just how do we learn to cozy up to Houston? That is, forge closer business ties with this North American juggernaut? (I hate to admit it, but the article about Houston, alone, was worth reading.)
March 3, 201213 yr Good for Ohio. A lot of representation on those lists. But I hate the illustration they used. So sprawly. ^We put all of these lists under this category, because there is ALWAYS some reason to find them to be (see thread title). The title is rather tongue in cheek, but probably is fairly accurate given the subject.
March 3, 201213 yr ^Thanks for sharing this information, unusualfire. Needless to say I was glad to see that: (1) the article WASN'T just another dumb Forbes ranking; (2) Cincinnati placed well in the large metro category; and (3) several other Ohio cities (especially Dayton) made the list. One major question, however-- (half in earnest/half in jest)--and that is: just how do we learn to cozy up to Houston? That is, forge closer business ties with this North American juggernaut? (I hate to admit it, but the article about Houston, alone, was worth reading.) The last thing Ohio should strive for is to be more like Texas.
March 3, 201213 yr That whole jobs, population growth, and momentum thing not doing it for you:) I think we have a lot to learn from Texas
March 3, 201213 yr That whole jobs, population growth, and momentum thing ... I think we have a lot to learn from Texas Jeff Moseley, president and CEO of the Greater Houston Partnership, says ... “We continue to be a very business-friendly community,” Moseley says. “We are very competitive in affordability. That has to do with the fact that we don’t have planning and zoning. We have a very low regulatory climate [/b] and a fabulous work force. Going to work and getting the job done are very important here.” That's a dig at California. "Low regulatory climate" means dirty air that kills you. How can they prosper without planning and zoning? The commutes and non-availability of services must have a downside.
March 3, 201213 yr Where does CLE fall on the list, or are they only giving the top 10? (I looked at the link, but didn't see it.)
March 3, 201213 yr That whole jobs, population growth, and momentum thing not doing it for you:) I think we have a lot to learn from Texas Yeah, when will Ohio learn that the key to population growth is warm weather and a large border with Mexico?
March 3, 201213 yr Interesting article as well and Ohio doesn't do bad. http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2012/03/where-creative-class-jobs-will-be/1258/ Where to Find a Creative Class Job in 2020 This week, I've been looking at the projected growth in jobs across American metros. My last post charted the projected growth in service jobs; I also looked at blue-collar gigs. Today, I look at the projected growth in higher-paying, higher-skill jobs that make up the creative class. More than 43 million people are currently employed in creative class work, a third of the workforce, in fields like science, technology, and engineering; business, finance, and management; law; health care; education; and arts, culture, media, and entertainment.
March 4, 201213 yr That whole jobs, population growth, and momentum thing not doing it for you:) I think we have a lot to learn from Texas Ohio has as many jobs and as low as or lower unemployment rates. Population growth was due almost entirely because of either retirees moving south or because there was several decades of general decline in much of the North. That is no longer the case.
March 4, 201213 yr ^ Although what you say is partially true, jbcmh81, the entire picture of Ohio vs. Texas is simply more complex. As you've already emphasized, we needn't idolize Houston, Dallas, SA, or Austin--but, like detectives or scientists, we in Ohio can dissect them and determine what makes them so successful.
March 4, 201213 yr ^ Although what you say is partially true, jbcmh81, the entire picture of Ohio vs. Texas is simply more complex. As you've already emphasized, we needn't idolize Houston, Dallas, SA, or Austin--but, like detectives or scientists, we in Ohio can dissect them and determine what makes them so successful. Another reason for the growth is Hispanic immigrant populations that tend to be younger and have more kids. Natural increase through birth rates is an important part of domestic increase.
March 9, 201213 yr Somewhat interesting -- according to this article, Cincinnati is 87th nationally and Columbus 94th in percentage of households in the metro region earning $200k or more. http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/morning_call/2012/03/columbus-isnt-the-states-wealthiest.html?ana=twt No information in the article about the other Ohio cities.
March 10, 201213 yr Somewhat interesting -- according to this article, Cincinnati is 87th nationally and Columbus 94th in percentage of households in the metro region earning $200k or more. http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/morning_call/2012/03/columbus-isnt-the-states-wealthiest.html?ana=twt No information in the article about the other Ohio cities. A lot of those in Cincy would have to be executives at P&G and Kroger, right? What else accounts for that?
March 10, 201213 yr Lawyers, Bankers, Doctors, franchise owners, independent business owners, double-dipping public officials....
March 10, 201213 yr Somewhat interesting -- according to this article, Cincinnati is 87th nationally and Columbus 94th in percentage of households in the metro region earning $200k or more. http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/morning_call/2012/03/columbus-isnt-the-states-wealthiest.html?ana=twt No information in the article about the other Ohio cities. A lot of those in Cincy would have to be executives at P&G and Kroger, right? What else accounts for that? Lots of F500 (and F1000) businesses headquartered in the metro region beyond just those two. P&G, Kroger, Fifth Third, Macy's, Omnicare, American Financial, Western-Southern, Cintas, etc. As to the rest, not sure.
March 10, 201213 yr ^ Well oddly enough some of those metros are way up there and have very few F500 companies. Portland,Ore for example.
March 10, 201213 yr I moved the conversations about the Marcellus/Utica shale gas discussions to that thread..... http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,22242 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 11, 201213 yr ^ Well oddly enough some of those metros are way up there and have very few F500 companies. Portland,Ore for example. Cities with reputations for being destinations for successful people are going to have more wealthy individuals per capita. For example, the Pacific Northwest has the fastest growing Jewish community in the country after almost 200 years of having next to no Jews. Not saying that all Jews are wealthy, but as an ethnic classification, the average household income of Jewish people is pretty high. Columbus will rise dramatically in the next 15 years with its high Asian population for similar reasons, but at the moment it doesn't have a national reputation for much of anything outside of OSU. Portland? A forward-thinking, liberal, relaxed music town is the rep that city has built up over 20 years. It's gonna take another 10 or 15 for Columbus to resonate nationally.
March 22, 201213 yr Cincinnati Ranked Lowest-Cost Business Location Among Large U.S. Cities; Atlanta Close at Second: KPMG Study http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/prnewswire/press_releases/Maryland/2012/03/22/NY74574
March 23, 201213 yr Cincinnati Ranked Lowest-Cost Business Location Among Large U.S. Cities; Atlanta Close at Second: KPMG Study http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/prnewswire/press_releases/Maryland/2012/03/22/NY74574 Ohio has a low cost of living and for doing business in general. If the list had included all metros with over 1 million, Columbus and probably other Ohio cities would be up near the top as well.
March 23, 201213 yr Cincinnati Ranked Lowest-Cost Business Location Among Large U.S. Cities; Atlanta Close at Second: KPMG Study http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/prnewswire/press_releases/Maryland/2012/03/22/NY74574 Ohio has a low cost of living and for doing business in general. If the list had included all metros with over 1 million, Columbus and probably other Ohio cities would be up near the top as well. Sorry about their luck, jbcmh81, but none of those smaller cities were mentioned--so let's all just pause and give credit to the #1 CITY among the 27 largest metros, Cincinnati. (okay?)
March 23, 201213 yr KPMG is actually pretty legit as a source. Probably not as "dumb-a$$" as most lists. Not that there is an objective set of criteria which is best for measuring business friendliness. It's also worth noting: Cleveland is in the top 10 as well.
March 23, 201213 yr Great to have 2 Ohio cities in the top 10. Too bad it appears that, on the whole, good urban planning leads to higher business costs.
March 23, 201213 yr Great to have 2 Ohio cities in the top 10. Too bad it appears that, on the whole, good urban planning leads to higher business costs. Or that good urban planning raises the attractiveness of those cities, thereby raising their value and their cost of doing business. Of note, the study cited "Cleveland benefited from low office lease costs." Uh, yeah, because office vacancies are high. On that score, places that aren't in demand apparently are good places to do business. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 23, 201213 yr Cincinnati Ranked Lowest-Cost Business Location Among Large U.S. Cities; Atlanta Close at Second: KPMG Study http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/prnewswire/press_releases/Maryland/2012/03/22/NY74574 Ohio has a low cost of living and for doing business in general. If the list had included all metros with over 1 million, Columbus and probably other Ohio cities would be up near the top as well. Sorry about their luck, jbcmh81, but none of those smaller cities were mentioned--so let's all just pause and give credit to the #1 CITY among the 27 largest metros, Cincinnati. (okay?) The study only included metros of 2 million and over, so it obviously wouldn't have included several Ohio cities, including Columbus. My point was not to take anything away from those cities on the list, only a general observation that pretty much all of Ohio would've scored well had smaller metros been part of the study as well. This was based on the fact that Ohio has a low cost of living and a positive business climate.
March 23, 201213 yr Needless to say (if I'm not mistaken), the Enquirer still hasn't picked up on this really delectable PR--but then, again, why would they? (They ARE "The Enquirer.") I'd contact Laura Baverman there myself, but I just might awaken her from her nap; just another gem of very positive news for Cincinnati that will probably fly under the radar of our local media...
March 23, 201213 yr ^Maybe she missed this too. Bureau of Labor Statistics, US Commerce Department Job Growth, January 2011-January 2012 50,000+ New York-Newark-Bridgeport +129,800 Houston-Baytown-Huntsville +94,800 Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville +72,700 Dallas-Ft Worth +70,900 San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland +59,400 10,000-49,999 Washington-Baltimore-Northern VA +47,700 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside +41,900 Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City +41,800 Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia +35,100 Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale +32,700 Denver-Aurora-Boulder +31,900 Austin-Round Rock-Marble Falls +26,800 Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach +26,400 Detroit-Warren-Flint +24,100 Salt Lake City-Ogden-Clearfield +23,100 Cincinnati-Middletown-Wilmington +20,300 Minneapolis-St Paul-St Cloud +20,200 Tampa-St Petersburg-Clearwater +19,200 Pittsburgh-New Castle +17,900 Raleigh-Durham-Cary +16,800 Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Columbia +15,900 Columbus-Marion-Chillicothe +14,700 Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro +14,500 Louisville-Elizabethtown-Scottsburg +14,200 Boston-Worcester-Manchester +13,900 Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City +13,300 Charlotte-Gastonia-Salisbury +13,200 Richmond +12,200 Phildelphia-Camden-Vineland +12,100 Memphis +11,500 San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos +11,400 Oklahoma City +11,300 San Antonio-New Braunfels +10,700 Knoxville-Sevierville-La Follette +10,300 Lafayette(LA) +10,300 http://bls.gov/news.release/metro.t03.htm
March 24, 201213 yr I just posted jobs numbers on the economic discussion forum for January 2007-2012 if you guys want to take a look.
March 28, 201213 yr This one really does qualify for the thread title - http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/nice-homes-you-can-buy-for-250000.html Situated in central Ohio, the capital city Columbus is the largest metropolitan area in the state with a population of 1,836,536 in the city and surrounding suburbs.
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